Bi/Pan Percentages

Ginger

Apr 12, 2023 23:34

okay so I just realized something: I know wayyyy more bi/pan people, both IRL and online, than the percentage of people worldwide who are bi/pan would suggest is common

like half of my friends are bi/pan whereas the average is around 8%

and I guess part of it has to do with my taste in friends but still the disparity is startlingly large

Unrelated String

Apr 13, 2023 00:01

you also have to consider where the global statistics are coming from :P

Ginger

huh?

@JackBosma what do you mean?

@UnrelatedString Wikipedia, of course q:

Unrelated String

like in terms of the statistics being collected

how and by whom

Ginger

hmm

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how do surveyed people perceive the question

what kinds of cultural factors are present

Ginger

I have no clue man I'm just repeating what The Wiki told me

sure, go ahead!

that's regulated by their rules, not ours

user

Apr 13, 2023 00:11

@Ginger This isn't too surprising. You're American, where people are more likely to realize they're bi/pan and be open about it because there's less fear of persecution. You're also young and know young people, who are more likely to realize they're bi/pan than old people who haven't considered it for most of their lives and are unlikely to come out of the closet now

Ginger

that's at least two bold assumptions you've made there

user

Also, if you only have like 5 friends, then it's not a very big sample so you can't really analyze it

Unrelated String

like our social circles probably do have higher than average rates of actual bisexuality but probably not that dramatically because the statistics are going to be based on what all kinds of people both think about themselves and are willing to admit to people

user

@Ginger Aren't they true?

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^

Ginger

Apr 13, 2023 00:12

I will not confirm that

but your second point is probably the reason, yeah

this also means we should see the percentage of people who identify as bi in those surveys to slowly tick upwards over time

user

Yeah, but only up to a certain limit

Unrelated String

haven't we?

Ginger

as more old people ~~are phased out~~ ~~are sunsetted~~ ~~die~~ exit society and more young people start answering those surveys

user

Unless all of humanity becomes bi, but idt that'd happen?

Ginger

I think there's a sci-fi novel where that happens

user

Apr 13, 2023 00:13

fi

Ginger

it was referenced in an explainxkcd entry for some comic

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sci-bi

Ginger

bi-fi

dammiy noinja;d, as Rydwolf would say

user

The military makes gay bombs but they turn out to be pan bombs

@Ginger ?

@Ginger I have a wife I hate

Ginger

in Complement, Feb 24 at 0:30, by Rydwolf Programs

dammiy noinja;d

@user what

user

Apr 13, 2023 00:15

Do you have wifi?

I have a wife I hate

Ginger

I couldn't tell if you were /srs or /j

user

I'm user

Ginger

I assume /j until confirmed /srs, so if you're not /j please clarify that now

user

Ginger, do you really think I have a wife?

Ginger

@Ginger bruh why does this sound so aggressive

@user oh right, I forgot where I am

how silly of me

user

Apr 13, 2023 00:18

I mean, many CGCCers have spouses and kids and all that, but this one doesn't have any rizz or any motivation to get into a relationship

Also I'm 18, which is kinda young to marry

Ginger

look, I just wanna be sure

you never know on the Internet

anyway, this is the book I was talking about and this is the explainxkcd entry that references it

Rydwolf Programs

Apr 13, 2023 00:47

There are a few legitimate reasons you'd be married at 18, such as college financial aid

Being married automatically makes you an independent for financial aid purposes, so if you have rich parents who refuse to pay for your college it can be a way to get around that

Not sure if anyone's actually done it but it can't be too difficult

Just find another person in a similar situation, sign some papers, boom

On that note would anyone like to get married

We can get a divorce later I promise

We don't need to meet in person

Ginger

ಠ_ಠ

Rydwolf Programs

@user Nah even stats among young Americans are way lower than 50%

The highest ones tend to be for young women but even then I think the highest I've ever seen in a study is 17%

user

I didn't see that Ginger said half their friends were bi

Ginger

freak statistical anomaly I guess

hol'on lemme do some counting so I can give you factual numbers

user

I'm assuming Ginger only has like 15 friends, max, so it's not a big enough sample

Rydwolf Programs

Apr 13, 2023 00:51

@user I thought Ginger was a 70 year old Romanian woman didn't you?

user

Maybe if Ginger made a few hundred more friends it'd be closer to the world average

Ginger

goddammit that was supposed to be our secret rydwolf

user

~~I could believe 7 year old~~

Ginger

also do yall count as "friends" for the purposes of this calculation

I'm going to go with yes

user

No

Ginger

Apr 13, 2023 00:52

dammit, now my sample size is even smaller

user

I don't think 50% of us are bi anyway

Rydwolf Programs

Worth noting the current understanding is that sexual orientation is a spectrum not a dichotomy/trichotomy/n-chotomy, so I think the same person could be bi by one standard and straight/gay by another

Ginger

fair, but I'm talking about people who have specifically told me they're bi or pan

user

What do you mean by standard?

Rydwolf Programs

E.g., if you 85% like men and 15% like women, are you bi?

user

Apr 13, 2023 00:53

I'd say if you're at all willing to get into a relationship with both men and women, you're bi

Even if you have an extremely strong preference for one or the other

Rydwolf Programs

@RydwolfPrograms (Well, that's a massively reductionist view of how it works I think, but still)

user

Like I wouldn't call a man who mainly dates women but slept with a man once straight

Ginger

well, among the 5 people I'm close friends with I know for a fact that 4 are bi or pan

user

Turns out Ginger joined the cooking club :P

Ginger

I say close friends because I have other friends that I'm not really close enough to to know their orientations as a fact

Rydwolf Programs

Apr 13, 2023 00:55

@user There's different contexts for "willing" too. You could willingly date someone of your same sex then realize you don't actually like it and are straight. Or you could date and marry your partner in crime so he doesn't have to testify about the murder

Ginger

and if I count myself that goes up to 5 of 6

@RydwolfPrograms ~~marry both your partner and the concept of crime itself~~

user

@RydwolfPrograms Why was that second scenario one that you thought of so quickly

Ginger

suspiciously specific

user

But okay, I get your point

Ginger

~~rydwolf are you committing crimes with Joe Biden~~

user

Apr 13, 2023 00:57

@Ginger Well since it's Rydwolf it's likely starbait rather than something they did irl

Rydwolf Programs

It's a pretty well known trope isn't it

Ginger

...no?

user

idk, I've never heard of it

Rydwolf Programs

Married couples can't be compelled to testify against each other (in hollywood at least, idk about real life)

Pretty common to hear about

user

Huh

@Ginger You could always make an anonymous strawpoll here

Rydwolf Programs

Apr 13, 2023 00:59

@RydwolfPrograms But my main point with this is that someone could be perfectly sure they're straight for their whole lives ("minus that one exception but that's normal right?") whereas around the right people they'd realize the bi label actually fits them better

Ginger

didn't strawpoll shut down? or am I thinking of something else

user

No it's up

Making a poll now

Ginger

aight cool

user

Survey for Ginger: Are you bi/pan?

Ginger

c h e e s e

user

Apr 13, 2023 01:02

It seems 100% of TNBers are bi (n=1)

Rydwolf Programs

Well of course, it's a survey for Ginger isn't it, and there's only 1 Ginger :p

According to public data 100% of Gingers are bi/pan

user

@Ginger Okay I got rid of it

Rydwolf Programs

Oppression of cheesegendered people is not cool, user

user

Hey, I got nothing against them, I just wish they'd do their cheese stuff at home, you know?

Rydwolf Programs

(did you get the cheese option from Jill Bearup by any chance?)

user

Apr 13, 2023 01:04

No it was just a thing a math teacher would do during virtual school

Rydwolf Programs

ah

user

What's Jill Bearup?

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms I'm non-fungible :b

Rydwolf Programs

@user YTer who reviews medieval armor and stuff

Collab'd with Tom Scott once

Ginger

@user what? I thought it was funny d:

user

Apr 13, 2023 01:05

Ah

Rydwolf Programs

and recently made a video about why she always includes "cheese" as an option in polls

user

What was the reason? (too lazy to look it up and watch)

Rydwolf Programs

Pretty sure it was basically just a fancy version of "just want to see the results"

user

Ah

Ginger

> 100% (2 votes)

hmm

~~I do not think this is working~~

Rydwolf Programs

Apr 13, 2023 01:08

Maybe there's a source of bi-as

Ginger

it's not quite pan-ning out as intended

Rydwolf Programs

Dang, you found a pun before I did :p

I even had my dictionary filtered

Ginger

get nae-nae'd

Rydwolf Programs

"aromantic" is such an easy word to misread as "aromatic". Too bad everyone who smells good is out of the dating pool.

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lol

Ginger

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Rydwolf Programs

Apr 13, 2023 01:13

And I'll leave it broken

Ginger

I'm waiting for Radvylf to delete it

Rydwolf Programs

I have the power in this situation

user

Noooo

Time to mod flag

Rydwolf Programs

And I will use it to mildly annoy people and nobody can stop me!

Ginger

@lyxal move those non-deleted messages out of here

for the lulz

Rydwolf Programs

Apr 13, 2023 01:14

I'll just move them back >:|

user

From the Trash? No you won't

Rydwolf Programs

Why no...oh yeah

Forgot how wack it is you can move to a room without RO perms in said room

~~DBA sure hasn't tho~~

Ginger

the misclick that never dies

more people need to vote on that poll

Rydwolf Programs

Who is the intended audience? Just anyone in TNB/TST?

(we need a shorter name...the TNB extended universe? TNBU?)

(TNB+?)

user

All of Ginger's "friends," I guess

Ginger

Apr 13, 2023 01:17

@RydwolfPrograms it's a subscription service

user

(don't tell them we're all sockpuppets controlled by the government to manipulate Ginger)

Rydwolf Programs

Ah for a second I thought you were saying your friendship and/or bisexuality was a subscription service and I was like...sure hope my check cleared

I would hate to have an unfortunate encounter with the down with cis bus

Ginger

@user into doing... what? my head is full of marbles and they rattle around like a maraca

user

Nothing, absolutely nothing. Everything is fine, Ginger

Ginger

cool and good

anyway back to whatever we were discussing

user

Apr 13, 2023 01:19

TNB subscriptions?

Rydwolf Programs

What were we discussing

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms with the what now

Rydwolf Programs

Ginger

w h a t

user

^

Ginger

Apr 13, 2023 01:20

can't tell if /srs or /j, poe's law strikes again

user

Context?

It's definitely not /srs

Rydwolf Programs

You've never witnessed your friends and family being brutalized by the down with cis bus?

user

I don't have any friends and my only family in the area is my parents

Rydwolf Programs

(It's a famous Tumblr fake story, once again I refer y'all to Strange Æons)

Ginger

I read that as "okay with cis people"

like a bus full of people who drive around and... do nothing, I guess?

user

Apr 13, 2023 01:22

They get off, ask you if you're cis, then give you a thumbs up and go on their way

Rydwolf Programs

Presumably the down with cis bus still gives special immunity to bi people since I've never had my eyes clawed out by angry downwithcisbussers

user

I'm cishet and I've never been attacked by a down with cis bus mob either

I'm starting to think these guys aren't doing their job right

Ginger

Professionals have standards

Rydwolf Programs

There are disappointingly few artists' depictions of the down with cis bus. Be the change you wish to see in the world, I guess

user

Perhaps they need better funding?

And nutrition

In that screenshot above, one single guy managed to fend off several down with cis people

Perhaps they need to start eating better and exercising

Ginger

Apr 13, 2023 01:27

theory: the down with cis bus ran out of fuel in Wyoming and that's why we haven't heard from it

Rydwolf Programs

Or they could put one of those claw arms garbage trucks use on the side of the bus

Ginger

finally, a use for your turn-humans-into-fuel system!

the cis people get turned into fuel for the down with cis bus

anyway time for me to leave, we can resume this intellectually stimulating conversation later I guess

Rydwolf Programs

I bet the DWCB has tracked down Ginger and they're now on the run

If so, stay safe and remember to coat your skin with ampicillin prior to any encounters

Ginger

but I'm not cis??? are they down with everyone now???

has there been a communication failure what is going on here

Rydwolf Programs

They want you to join them then

Ginger

Apr 13, 2023 01:32

but I don't want to!

Rydwolf Programs

It's a dangerous job manning the down with cis bus. You think they induct members voluntarily?

It's a draft

Ginger

well shit

user

Apr 13, 2023 01:46

@Ginger Down with Cis doesn't mean they're not also down with everyone else

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