Conversation started Apr 2, 2016 at 19:05.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Apr 2, 2016 19:05
- [SV] Self-vandalism
  Cases where the OP is unaware of how to delete their post, or where a user ragequits, and replaces the entire post
  content with a stream of gibberish.
Opinions on f/k status?
Ferrybig
Ferrybig
I vote for tp- because the post is a garbage post after the edit
Undo
Undo
@ArtOfCode feedback caching should be fixed.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
I think I'd vote for a new feedback type.
(cheers)
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Undo 
== 20160402185509 RetroactivelyFixPostFeedbackCache: migrated (1.5268s) =======
I'm irrationally proud of that time
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
It's not spam/abusive flaggable, technically, but neither is it NAA, but neither is it something we should ignore.
Undo
Undo
Apr 2, 2016 19:08
So... if someone flags self-vandalism as spam/offensive on SO, I'm probably going to mark it helpful.
Or at worst dispute it
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Undo You would, I would. I don't think we can count on a majority of mods marking it helpful though.
Undo
Undo
Either us or them is doing the job wrong, then.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
heh
Undo
Undo
(is? are? grr)
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
maybe it's time to fix that issue network-wide then, but for now we should set a standard for doing it with Smokes.
Undo
Undo
Apr 2, 2016 19:09
Probably just call it NAA
Or another new orange feedback
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
How hard is it to add feedback types?
Undo
Undo
it's kinda manual right now, but not that hard.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Just NAA for now, then, and we can add another type some other time if it gets to us.
Ferrybig
Ferrybig
Vandalism is usually on questions, we can repurpose NAA feedback on questions, if its added to a question it means vandalism, added to a answer it means NAA
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
hey that's a good idea
Undo
Undo
Apr 2, 2016 19:12
We should just figure out how we want it to work and build tools to handle it perfectly.
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ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
hey that's also a good idea
Undo
Undo
smashing two meanings into one feedback sounds like a good way to cause issues in the future.
hichris123
hichris123
@Undo doesn't that apply the penalty?
Undo
Undo
@hichris123 No maybe, but if you're self-vandalizing your post that's okay
spam flags are weird
Ferrybig
Ferrybig
@Undo True, because naa also ignores the post, and we don't want that for vandalism
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Apr 2, 2016 19:13
So how should we handle self-vandalism?
Undo
Undo
It's something that requires action immediately, so we should probably catch it
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
agree
IͶΔ
IͶΔ
You can't uncatch it I think, since the post will be the same as abusive crap.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Could we actually differentiate between vandalism and gibberish? If the post being scanned is (a) not the first revision, and (b) an edit by the OP, and (c) matches gibberish criteria (one char, few unique chars, repeating chars), then it's vandalism.
Undo
Undo
Maybe
Now, imagine we're doing this with a goal of presenting this to SE as "a thing you can implement at the network level". We'd want self-vandalism to be green, because it's a thing you want to block.
Not saying that's what we want, but it's another thing to thing about
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Apr 2, 2016 19:18
It's a consideration, but SE can always change how they implement it slightly.
If we're catching it but not doing anything about it, then they can decide what to do with it.
Ferrybig
Ferrybig
But if we mark self vandalism as true positive, it will be escalated to the tavern, where they can't do anything about it
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Huh, true.
Shall we just go with NAA for now, so that we have an official position, and we can work on the details of that one?
Ferrybig
Ferrybig
@ArtOfCode naa doesn't work on question at the moment
hichris123
hichris123
You can mark it as ignored. Generates the same orange.
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
That works.
 
Conversation ended Apr 2, 2016 at 19:25.