Conversation started Dec 29, 2018 at 12:50.
Run5k
Run5k
Dec 29, 2018 12:50
Mods, our friend who was the subject of this astute observation continues to have problems in the review queues. I have tried to politely guide him on several occasions, but it really doesn't seem to deter him. Today, he did an "Improve edit" that completely changed a canonical question into nothing more than an answer!
superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/819016
Perhaps if one of you could chime in with some gentle mentoring, it might make a big difference?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ah
Will deal
Run5k
Run5k
Thank you, good sir.
 
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Run5k
Run5k
Dec 29, 2018 21:37
In the aftermath, it is at least moderately amusing that @n8te specifically said within his Reject review that there was "No chance we're going to approve this," and then the subsequent review both approved it and cleaned it up a bit more! ;-) No worries, n8te... after the mushroom cloud dispersed, we fixed it.
n8te
n8te
Dec 29, 2018 22:02
I guess I stuck my foot in my mouth with that statement, eh? :) A misguided faith in my fellow reviewers :/
 
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fixer1234
fixer1234
Dec 30, 2018 02:30
@Run5k and @n8te, I wasn't aware of this discussion and added my own general feedback in that chat room. But following that review link and looking at the edit history cracked me up. :-)
 
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n8te
n8te
Dec 30, 2018 07:10
It's clear that that user doesn't understand his job as a reviewer. Nothing we say seems to be sinking it at all. Unless he gets banned from reviewing, he will continue to actively harm this site (however well intentioned he is).
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@n8te I've sent a mod message
Run5k
Run5k
Mods, I agree with @n8te. While this person may have the best of intentions, he honestly doesn't seem to comprehend relatively simple concepts regarding how to properly manage the review queues. We would essentially need to watch over his shoulder every time we see his name in the review queues.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
So ... Its always about the actions, not the people. Just ends up in less bitterness that way
If he keeps making bad reviews just let us know, and we'll see what we can do
I don't think there's a manual way to to a review ban
I'll check for the next time. But I'd also like to educate the user
n8te
n8te
Oh, I thought there was? I've seen it happen on SO. At least people come to meta claiming a mod manually banned them.
Run5k
Run5k
Agreed... and he has been making bad reviews the entire time since he crossed the 3000 reputation points barrier.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Dec 30, 2018 07:16
People claim MANY things.
I'm going to check to see if I'm TOTALLY WRONG about this review ban though ;)
n8te
n8te
Have a read at of this conversation a little to see that they indeed aren't undertstanding their job as a reviewier: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/84951/about-my-posts
But anyway, thanks Geek
Run5k
Run5k
When you have a few minutes to spare, read the "About my posts" chat discussion. We have been trying to politely educate the user, and it just doesn't sink in. Full disclosure: I also have a teaching degree! :-/
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
._.
n8te
n8te
And now you've effectively tasked me with a homework assignment to go find an SO meta post where a mod told a user he manually review banned them :)
Self-imposed homework assignment, but still
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@n8te I'll check with other mods ;)
n8te
n8te
Dec 30, 2018 07:29
"This is why it often takes us a while to respond to custom flags asking us to ban particular users for bad reviews, especially if such flags don't come with specific terrible reviews as examples.

It would greatly speed this up to have an addition to the moderator menu on reviews cases. From that review case, we could choose to ban select reviewers based on that review, it could pre-populate the ban reason with the URL to the review and suggest a ban duration based on the number of previous review bans by that user. " --from a mod https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/272472/better-revi…
@JourneymanGeek - thanks
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ugh
the Mod UI is terrible ._.
Run5k
Run5k
Even after everything that @n8te, @fixer1234, and I said, he emphasized that "if some one rejects must put the view point for readers as well for the answerer also,, otherwise it should be considered as personal,, or baseless." In other words, he doesn't want to offend people by rejecting their proposed edits, and his stats support that: only two rejections out of 46 edit suggestions, and those were probably review audits (which he has also been known to approve).
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
he can skip!
I skip a lot of em
which is a point I've made a few times
n8te
n8te
He should but there's no question in my mind that he won't. The problem is that when he chooses to accept and improve the edit, it bypasses the need for an additional person to approve the review, which is how that one shockingly bad approval to that canonical question made it through.
sigh oh well, what can you do :/
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
roll back, custom flag ;p
Ok so we can review ban someone manually
the process is utterly utterly arcane and well hidden
Run5k
Run5k
Dec 30, 2018 07:39
Agreed... I don't think that he will, either. We could post an extensive list of errors, like this one.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ugh. That's something we'd rather not have people do
(least that's the idea I got the last time, when we were talking about a spreadsheet)
Run5k
Run5k
He did an "Improve edit" from proper grammar to bad grammar, specifically on the sentence that simply asked for help.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
just custom flag. We know there's an issue and we'll figure out to deal with
rofl.
._.
I cannot complain
I did one this week ._.
I was also having 4 conversations at once.
Run5k
Run5k
@JourneymanGeek, needless to say we appreciate all of your time and effort, and I truly understand that this contributor has the very best of intentions. However, he doesn't seem to understand the concept that he just shouldn't edit the suggestions within the review queue, and nothing we say is going to stop him.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Run5k if it continues, we'll deal.
._.
@Run5k as I said, roll back, custom flag the post. If they get rejected, say I asked y'all asked you to
n8te
n8te
Dec 30, 2018 07:43
I'd suggest making me deputy mod for a day and I'll run amok with my ban hammer
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
which is why we don't make people deputy mods for a day XD
n8te
n8te
:)
 
Conversation ended Dec 30, 2018 at 7:44.