« first day (3026 days earlier)      last day (2160 days later) » 

02:30
@Run5k and @n8te, I wasn't aware of this discussion and added my own general feedback in that chat room. But following that review link and looking at the edit history cracked me up. :-)
 
5 hours later…
07:10
It's clear that that user doesn't understand his job as a reviewer. Nothing we say seems to be sinking it at all. Unless he gets banned from reviewing, he will continue to actively harm this site (however well intentioned he is).
@n8te I've sent a mod message
Mods, I agree with @n8te. While this person may have the best of intentions, he honestly doesn't seem to comprehend relatively simple concepts regarding how to properly manage the review queues. We would essentially need to watch over his shoulder every time we see his name in the review queues.
So ... Its always about the actions, not the people. Just ends up in less bitterness that way
If he keeps making bad reviews just let us know, and we'll see what we can do
I don't think there's a manual way to to a review ban
I'll check for the next time. But I'd also like to educate the user
Oh, I thought there was? I've seen it happen on SO. At least people come to meta claiming a mod manually banned them.
Agreed... and he has been making bad reviews the entire time since he crossed the 3000 reputation points barrier.
07:16
People claim MANY things.
I'm going to check to see if I'm TOTALLY WRONG about this review ban though ;)
Have a read at of this conversation a little to see that they indeed aren't undertstanding their job as a reviewier: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/84951/about-my-posts
But anyway, thanks Geek
When you have a few minutes to spare, read the "About my posts" chat discussion. We have been trying to politely educate the user, and it just doesn't sink in. Full disclosure: I also have a teaching degree! :-/
And now you've effectively tasked me with a homework assignment to go find an SO meta post where a mod told a user he manually review banned them :)
Self-imposed homework assignment, but still
@n8te I'll check with other mods ;)
07:29
"This is why it often takes us a while to respond to custom flags asking us to ban particular users for bad reviews, especially if such flags don't come with specific terrible reviews as examples.

It would greatly speed this up to have an addition to the moderator menu on reviews cases. From that review case, we could choose to ban select reviewers based on that review, it could pre-populate the ban reason with the URL to the review and suggest a ban duration based on the number of previous review bans by that user. " --from a mod https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/272472/better-revi
@JourneymanGeek - thanks
ugh
the Mod UI is terrible ._.
Even after everything that @n8te, @fixer1234, and I said, he emphasized that "if some one rejects must put the view point for readers as well for the answerer also,, otherwise it should be considered as personal,, or baseless." In other words, he doesn't want to offend people by rejecting their proposed edits, and his stats support that: only two rejections out of 46 edit suggestions, and those were probably review audits (which he has also been known to approve).
he can skip!
I skip a lot of em
which is a point I've made a few times
He should but there's no question in my mind that he won't. The problem is that when he chooses to accept and improve the edit, it bypasses the need for an additional person to approve the review, which is how that one shockingly bad approval to that canonical question made it through.
sigh oh well, what can you do :/
roll back, custom flag ;p
Ok so we can review ban someone manually
the process is utterly utterly arcane and well hidden
07:39
Agreed... I don't think that he will, either. We could post an extensive list of errors, like this one.
ugh. That's something we'd rather not have people do
(least that's the idea I got the last time, when we were talking about a spreadsheet)
He did an "Improve edit" from proper grammar to bad grammar, specifically on the sentence that simply asked for help.
just custom flag. We know there's an issue and we'll figure out to deal with
rofl.
._.
I cannot complain
I did one this week ._.
I was also having 4 conversations at once.
@JourneymanGeek, needless to say we appreciate all of your time and effort, and I truly understand that this contributor has the very best of intentions. However, he doesn't seem to understand the concept that he just shouldn't edit the suggestions within the review queue, and nothing we say is going to stop him.
@Run5k if it continues, we'll deal.
._.
@Run5k as I said, roll back, custom flag the post. If they get rejected, say I asked y'all asked you to
07:43
I'd suggest making me deputy mod for a day and I'll run amok with my ban hammer
which is why we don't make people deputy mods for a day XD
:)
A lot of moderation's really trying to working out how to deal with stuff without.. well..
using all those shiny tools
Don't get me wrong, I handle a lot of flags
07:59
If I ever run for mod, don't vote for me. I'm too tempted by shiny tools
@n8te To me what makes a great mod is meta
Meta's what seperates the tool using monkeys from the 800lb gorillas ;p
I'm actually now trying to learn how to use main meta as a mod again
After getting SU meta down, and barely working out MSE :)
You seem to have it down pat, no? At least from what I can tell
lol
Still working it out, tbh
You never get all of it down
08:15
Well, it is kind of a jungle over there
I was having this conversation with someone else actuallyy
The sort of people who do well on techie SE ....
rarely have the soft skills to handle meta
I've got a wierdass background and nearly ended up in politics...
I agree with that. A lot of techies are introverts
Yup
I am too
I can see you as a politician though
I'm just apparently really good at hiding it
Oh god, no.
08:18
You're diplomatic
Opposition politics here's a career path that's unlikely to end well ;)
Ahh I see
And I'm not exactly the sort of high flyer the government prefers
Heh, you should see all the things I want to say, and don't ;)
Any hopes of following in Catija's footsteps and getting hired on here? You seem like a logical choice
I donno
If there's opening, I'll be applying
That's all I can promise
there's a lot of folks with the talent to be awesome CMs ;)
08:21
Yeah but being a meta mod now puts you ahead of a lot of them
Maybe. But there's a few folks I see as having better qualities to be a CM :)
I just need to wait out enough to get hired first XD
Bide your time
That's how I became a mod
:)
well SU mod
The MSE mod thing was unexpected XD
Things are better over there now. The lost soul questions seem to disappear very quickly
XD
Tink beats me to a lot of them
I actually have to use a per forma comment script XDXDXD
08:25
Ahh. I did see some of your comments appear very quickly right before they get deleted
I try to hand write all my comments
but it dosen't scale
Nice. A politician's personal touch
naw. I ironically hate automating mod tasks
basically if it should be automatic, it dosen't need a human
or canid
Personally, I don't care much for those canned responses everyone adds to those lost soul questions
I'm here cause the system needs someone to make the calls. And if I'm making the call, I need to try to let people know why
yeah. but its too much work to handwrite them
I tried for a few weeks
08:28
True, that would get old quick
Sometimes you gotta decide on the compromises you need to make .
I don't want to just nuke them.
and there's hardly anyone who tries again, maybe one or two a week
Yeah, a lot of times I look if they end up posting in the correct place afterwards. They almost never do
I think a few are actually lost
others are qbanned
and essentially - that's actually the least important part of being a MSE mod I suspect
MSE isn't really all it should be. Too much bitterness and grumpyness
So what's the most important?
If you look at the mod choices you get an idea.
08:33
People are very freewheeling with their downvotes
One IPS mod, me, and a super cool headed, experienced SO mod.
But no one knows how site culture really works, but that needs work ;)
(gently!)
It really is the wild west over there
It's kind of funny how difficult it is to ask a question that doesn't get downvoted
Its a lot of folks who care
But are not sure how to be heard
hah
I got a sun wukong hat there
What's the criteria?
But here's a secret. I don't care about downvotes or overall scores for a post or even rep
+5 -5 I think
I'm there cause its a good way to share what I know of SE if someone needs help
08:37
You rarely get downvoted over there. Not like the hedgehog
4
Q: Dealing with "Legacy" posts which... are not that nice

Journeyman GeekWe've come across a few posts as mods that don't really meet the 'modern' standards of SE. Its a bit of a pickle since we can either delete them, edit them (unilaterally) or leave them alone. None of these options feels very good - in these cases, the edits seem minor, we'd love to have peer rev...

+11 -7
on a topic I KNEW would be controversial
It's no longer a secret as it's been confirmed in the hats meta post
eh. The hedghog's interesting
> Write a post on a Meta site (MSE is considered a meta site too) that receives at least 5 up votes and 5 down votes.
He wants to understand how everything about SE works, but refuses to see a few key things ;)
@DavidPostill ya. Now the toilet hat... ;p
08:39
I lurk over there a lot but rarely post. Just like to keep abreast of what's going on sitewide
That's how I started
Funny story about why I got active there actually
When I was a new moderator, someone got mad at me for suspending them for something. I'd accidentally suspended them a day past a bounty they hard awarded expiring... (If I'd known, maybe I'd have made it longer?)
They posted on meta. I rebutted. I got a reversal badge, then it got nuked
So I was trying to get 10k to see it, then they changed the rules so you could see your own deleted posts with a link
Interesting
And now here we are full circle again with a suspension, a bounty, etc...
:)
But that's all I'll say
Oh yeah
that
I'm a bit sad all that had to happen.
I feel suspensions are a sign we were unable to get through to someone by other means.
I don't know the details. Only saw the abusive posts as they came in on main
Yup
I missed most of it - I was asleep but folks filled me in later
08:47
I am kind of curious how the hog got suspended but it's none of my business
It isn't
;)
Didn't hurt to try fishing :p
Gonna step away for a few. Check ya later, Geek
 
2 hours later…
11:05
@JourneymanGeek Just got the toilet hat :) - Seems like it is awarded for editing tags on questions
 
3 hours later…
13:55
Can moderators open frozen chat rooms?
@Biswapriyo Yes

« first day (3026 days earlier)      last day (2160 days later) »