Project Update Thursday - 7 June 2012 – Conversation in Home Improvement

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 18:50

Welcome to Project Update Thursday!

okay, @forestman go on and tell us more about your troubles

derobert

You all actually have projects in progress? I'm busy procrastinating on all of mine :-(

Aarthi

@derobert we talk about those, too!

Tester101

haha. @Aarthi had to start the clock.

Aarthi

@Tester101 :P shut up and put up the disco ball

Tester101

"Tell me about your mother"

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 18:51

And hey, where's @Aaron??? He's missing all the fun! and @TheEvilGreebo toO!

@forestman 90% of all DIY projects do this.

Tester101

forestman

okay, so the existing floor was linoleum sticky tiles over 1/4" luan, over hardwood.

Aarthi

;___; the hardwood! so beautiful.

The Evil Greebo

I'm crazy busy at work spammy!

Chris Cudmore

forestman

Jun 7, 2012 18:53

a long time ago, it was hardwood, but they put an addition on and didn't bother putting hardwood down, but just did subfloor, so half the area we're replacing is hardwood, and half is plywood

And the whole reason we're replacing it is her dog keeps peeing in this area and has ruined the luan, and started to mess up the hardwood underneath

BMitch

@Tester101 consider it stared :)

Tester101

Sorry @BMitch we lit up the disco ball without you

BMitch

That's ok, if @Aarthi wants to party, she's allowed

forestman

I didn't know about the hardwood, so I was planning on ripping up soggy subfloor and just replacing it, which would have been comparatively easier.

Aarthi

@TheEvilGreebo pssh, work :P

@forestman yeah, I bet. So is the hardwood underneath damaged, after all? And if so, are you going to have to tear that out too or are you thinking about extending hardwood out to the addition?

BMitch

Jun 7, 2012 18:57

So I see @Aarthi has been screwing around in her new place

forestman

The other rub is that the original outer wall runs across the space, and creates a rather pronounced ridge, on the order of 1/2" in 16" or so.

Aarthi

And -- welcome @kavisiegel!

@BMitch you know me, breaking stuff.

@forestman :o

BMitch

@Aarthi that's what power tools are for :)

wax eagle

@BMitch apparently she actually used her drill yesterday :)

forestman

@Aarthi it does have some damage, but we're gonna see if we can get it dry in the next day or so with kitty litter and baking soda and a dehumidifier. pulling up 2" tongue and groove is a bit above my expertise

or rather, pulling up 2" T&G /selectively/ is above my expertise

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 19:00

Someone here actually knows a lot about flooring. Which one of you is it again?

Greebo, right? /me is genuinely having trouble remembering

Tester101

@TheEvilGreebo Is working too hard to answer questions.

forestman

Actually, the moisture damage doesn't concern me nearly as much as the ridge.
@Tes

BMitch

Does that work under hardwood?

I'm thinking power plainer

forestman

@Tester101, that's what I'm thinking, but there are few hitches

nails

Tester101

"Used to level floors prior to the installation of ceramic tile, natural stone, resilient flooring, carpet, wood and Parquet flooring"

forestman

Jun 7, 2012 19:03

That's the space

ridge is along top left

white powder is baking soda

the area off camera to the bottom left has the same "topography", so if I level things up, it'll make an uneven ledge where it ends

Tester101

What type of floor covering are you planning to put down?

forestman

we weer thinking floating laminate from Lowes, but after doing a lot of reading on here and other places, I'm thinking we should use floating vinyl instead

*were

The Evil Greebo

sorry what?

don't cover up the pee damaged floor until you treat it properly

cat litter wont' do squat

Aarthi

@TheEvilGreebo we're talking about flooring. he has hardwood under shitty peel-and-stick laminate.

The Evil Greebo

get industrial strength odor neutralizer from local box store

after that dries, seal sub floor with oil based primer

if there is a ridge to lower, do that before treatment

if you're using self leveling compound do that after sealing

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 19:11

(Aside: welcome @woodchips!)

forestman

well, for our purposes, the hardwood is the subfloor
will the primer act as a vapor barrier?

The Evil Greebo

vapor no, but it'll lock the cat pee into the wood

it wont stop vapors from downstairs

wax eagle

@TheEvilGreebo locked in for freshness.

forestman

it's ground level with no basement

@waxeagle Hehehewwwww

The Evil Greebo

risk of moisture/flooding?

forestman

Jun 7, 2012 19:13

no

The Evil Greebo

the paint'll do

OIL based primer tho

you prob should sand the wood first too to make sure it soaks in

forestman

we were planning on using the underlayment foam as a vapor/smell barrier

The Evil Greebo

the existing ahrdwood might not take it well if its got finish on it still

won't do the trick

cat pee smell will penetrate the foam underlayment

thats padding/noise reduction not vapor barrier

forestman

ugh, this is not what I was wanting to know

:-)

The Evil Greebo

no, but you needed to know

forestman

Jun 7, 2012 19:15

true...

The Evil Greebo

i fougth this exact battle in a rental

thats how we did it

industrial cleaner, oil primer

forestman

it actually is a rental

The Evil Greebo

and you're putting in laminate? hope its cheap

forestman

she had wanted to do tile

:-O

The Evil Greebo

IKEA has laminate for $0.29/sqft

She treating the rental like you're gonna live there? big mistake

tenants will **** your floor up

cat pee msell you need to do right - will drive tenants away

forestman

Jun 7, 2012 19:16

well, she's lived there for 8 years, and her landlord has been real good to her

The Evil Greebo

oic

I was speaking as the landlord :)

forestman

right, my bad for not clarifying

The Evil Greebo

if shes gonna live on it, fine

knock yourself out :) but do it right

forestman

right. so, industrial odor knocker-outer, sand to remove finish, oil-based primer, then leveling compound. sound about right?

Tester101

The Evil Greebo

Jun 7, 2012 19:20

sounds about right

oh

that self leveling concrete bag shown above?

its FLUID - so it'll leak through

i ended up with concrete in my basement when I used that in a bathroom on wood subfloor

forestman

heheh, good to know. I actually don't want level, just even

The Evil Greebo

in the flooring section of the box stores you can find a nice premix leveler

its nice and thick and spreadable but won't run

forestman

ok, cool

Aarthi

Meanwhile: Hello @Steven!

And hello @BiffMaGriff :D

@TheEvilGreebo yikes! talk about a tough lesson. Like how I learned not to leave stuff on top of ladders.

because my cordless drill proceeded to fall on my head

The Evil Greebo

it wasn't a lot of concrete

wax eagle

Jun 7, 2012 19:27

@Aarthi ow

The Evil Greebo

just a trickle

and a dimple in the otherwise newly self leveled floor

Aarthi

@TheEvilGreebo whew, that's good!

@waxeagle yeah i still got the goosegg.

Biff MaGriff

Hello, quite active in here today.

Tester101

@Aarthi You need a holster.

wax eagle

@Aarthi hopefully no concussion

Tester101

Jun 7, 2012 19:28

The Evil Greebo

back to work with me

forestman

@TheEvilGreebo everyone knows dimples add cuteness!

Aarthi

@BiffMaGriff It's chat-event day! We're talking about projects we're got going on. :D

@TheEvilGreebo hugs Thanks for popping by! Hopefully I'll see more of you when you're not busy-busy. :D

forestman

/waves at @TheEvilGreebo

Aarthi

@forestman an order of magnitude of cuteness!

Tester101

Jun 7, 2012 19:30

helllo @auujay.

Aarthi

hey there @auujay!

Tester101

First.

Aarthi

@Tester101 gentle shoulder shove Dork. :P

@waxeagle yeah, seriously, I hope I'm not concussed.

Steven

did I join a singles chat room instead of DIY? :P

Aarthi

@Tester101 that thing is way too cool to be a real thing

@Steven hahaha noooo because:

May 24 at 20:04, by shirlock homes

Aarthi, my son is handsome and single... and soon to be rich! lmao

:P

Steven

Jun 7, 2012 19:31

heh.. hey a handy guy is definitely a better catch than a non-handy one!

Biff MaGriff

Aarthi

@Steven hahaha true that! Shirlock is seriously proud of his kid; shirlock's son graduated the weekend of that comment.

@BiffMaGriff :O Nice! I take it you're in texas?

Biff MaGriff

Just finished my garden beds..

Tester101

@Aarthi It would be even cooler if they made a shoulder holster for drills.

Steven

those look a lot like the boxes I built!

whatcha planting?

wax eagle

Jun 7, 2012 19:33

@BiffMaGriff ooh, looks like you need Gardening and Landscaping next

Biff MaGriff

yeah heh

auujay

hi everyone

wax eagle

@auujay hello

Steven

those are mine, plus cute dog :)

Biff MaGriff

a variety of everything, I'm trying to out do my "balcony corn" that I grew last summer in my apartment

Chris Cudmore

Jun 7, 2012 19:34

Nah, you need one of those garter holsters.

Biff MaGriff

very cute dog

Tester101

@Steven Is your dog hula-hooping!?

Chris Cudmore

ladies' gun holster garter belts: i.sstatic.net/rdXoS.jpg

Steven

@Tester101 he's waiting for me to spray him with the hose!

BMitch

@Aarthi we teach our volunteers not to leave things on ladders because they usually fall on someone else's head (yes, I'm slow to keep up with this chat)

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 19:34

Sorry @ChrisCudmore I didn't want that flagged.

@BMitch haha it's okay. and yes, now I will NEVER FORGET to bring my drill with me.

@BiffMaGriff and @Steven your gardens look awesome!

Steven

thx! now that its hot here and lots of rain things have expoded, espcially the brocolli which you can visible see is larger every day

Chris Cudmore

Who'd flag that? It's pure texas christianity!

BMitch

I had my drill fall off of some scaffolding while 2 stories up, people learned not to work below me.

Aarthi

@ChrisCudmore Better safe than sorry, imho :D

BMitch

who in their right mind would mess with Texas?

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 19:37

@BMitch yeah that'd do it pretty damn quick. I'm just thankful it landed on me battery pack first, and not bit-first

@BiffMaGriff nice! Your beds really do look amazingness

BMitch

I miss working on scaffolding and in the attic, we outsource way too much these days

Steven

you know what sucks even more then stuff falling off a ladder? ME falling off a ladder! ouch i still have scars 1.5 yrs later

Chris Cudmore

Just out of curiousity... Why do you build up the beds so high?

forestman

@Steven true dat. I do arborist work, and have had a few scares up in the trees, but thankfully have a healthy respect for the dangers involved

Aarthi

@BMitch :(

Steven

Jun 7, 2012 19:41

mine are 12" deep - for drainage

Biff MaGriff

Lots of bunnies in my neighbourhood. :)

Aarthi

@forestman @Steven omg yes. I was using a pretty rickety ladder and my hands were shaking from my nerves

@BiffMaGriff eek! yes, for them it's either chickenwire or epically high beds

BMitch

My garden was short lived, but the bunnies are looking much bigger

Aarthi

@BMitch sounds like you need @waxeagle

Steven

I have provisions to put a cage over it (some PVC pipe around the edges to insert a cage into)

Chris Cudmore

Jun 7, 2012 19:42

I've got tons of bunnies. I just plant sacrificial lettuce as an edge plant, and everything else gets left alone.

Aarthi

sacrificial lettuce

Chris Cudmore

I also found out that bunnies won't touch my arugula.

Aarthi

i like that

oh my god, of course not

even I won't touch rocket, that stuff is nasty

BMitch

to be more accurate, my gf's garden that she refused to put chicken wire around is all gone

Biff MaGriff

@ChrisCudmore hahaha

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 19:43

@BMitch hahaha

Steven

so far the racoons seem to like my garbage more than my garden

Chris Cudmore

No racoons in my neighbourhood, which is pretty unusual for Toronto.

Steven

yea they all migrated up to richmond hill :P

wax eagle

hmm this makes me wonder if I should be more worried about pests in my garden now that I live by the woods...might have to keep an eye out

forestman

@ChrisCudmore Arugula, isn't that the thing that hangs down at the back of your throat? :-D

Chris Cudmore

Jun 7, 2012 19:44

Only if you don't chew it properly.

wax eagle

@forestman uvula

Aarthi

@forestman i think that's a uvula?

Steven

@chris I'd be more concerned with mayor ford eating it (sorry, couldnt resist)

wax eagle

@Aarthi ninja'd again :P

Chris Cudmore

He wouldn't touch a vegetable. Unless it's deep fried.

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 19:45

Hahaha.

Steven

lol good point

Chris Cudmore

For those not in the know, this is our mayor:

BMitch

"Dr Evil, I'd like to eat your baby. Get in my belly!"

Aarthi

oh my god

he looks so bored

Steven

he reminds me of homer simpson

Chris Cudmore

Jun 7, 2012 19:49

He's had a tough go of it. He's a bit of a Tea Party Conservative, but council is all urban hippies. So they keep voting him down.

But he's got no negotiating skills.

Aarthi

I'm amused by this.

Chris Cudmore

And we have a weak mayor - strong council government up here.

Steven

the big joke is that he started this big weight loss campaign, only to be caught eating at KFC and eventually bailing on it - as you can tell, not much weight lost.

Chris Cudmore

As opposed to the Americans whose mayors have near dictatorial power.

Aarthi

:o

Chris Cudmore

Jun 7, 2012 19:53

Here's the great "Bicycle riding pinkos" speech from Don Cherry at his Inauguration: youtube.com/watch?v=CHzCoUZG2Js

Tester101

Who is Don Cherry's tailor?

ChrisF

@Aarthi Yes we should. I'm probably the last person who should do this as I assume Stack Overflow levels of fail by people (and I really shouldn't)

Chris Cudmore

He's famous for those suits.

Steven

suits, shirts and ties!

Chris Cudmore

thestar.com/news/article/…

That's a story on his tailor

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 19:58

@ChrisF ah, yes, that's not...constructive on this site.

wish Jeff or Vebjorn were around more. They used to provide good guiding comments!

ChrisF

@Aarthi Indeed. I always have to stop myself and think about what I'm typing on the smaller sites.

Aarthi

@ChrisF Honestly, I'm the same in reverse; I always have to remember to be "meaner" on MSO.

ChrisF

@Aarthi When you've been around another year....

Aarthi

@ChrisF heh, yes, I know.

Oh! For those of you who are new (@BiffMaGriff @forestman @Steven) this is our DIY mod, @ChrisF :D We have three (Chris, JeffWidmer, Vebjorn) but ChrisF is the one you'll likely see the most.

forestman

/me waves, Hey Chris!

ChrisF

Jun 7, 2012 20:01

Hi guys. I'm not the only mod - I just happen to be around more than the others.

BMitch

IMO, the best mod around (not to discourage the other mods)

ChrisF

Can't stop. Still not had my tea.

Tester101

The other mods are ninjas.

Aarthi

@ChrisF No worries! We'll see you around, I'm sure. :) Enjoy your tea and tea!

ChrisF

@Tester101 That they are

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 20:02

@Tester101 they're so ninja even I can't track 'em down.

Tester101

Or ghosts. I'm not sure which.

forestman

are mods like cameras?
The best one is the one you have with you...

:-)

Aarthi

hahaha :D

the comparison is apt

oh hey! I did a project yesterday!

So here's what my apartment looked like on Saturday

And here's where I left it last night:

Plus I took down closet doors:

(sorry about the sideways :( )

and replaced them with a cool curtain:

BMitch

@Aarthi I think everyone just fell over

Tester101

@Aarthi Your stripper pole is too close to the wall.

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 20:07

eek apparently~ what just happened? we lost like 8 people

BMitch

@Aarthi nice

roller chairs plus turning your head sideways can have unfortunate consequences

Tester101

@BMitch You need a monitor that can swivel.

Aarthi

yikes.

well uh

this just got super quiet

wax eagle

@Aarthi lol

Steven

gotta fun - cya later folks!

fun = run

Aarthi

Jun 7, 2012 20:12

ha no worries! /waves @Steven

Tester101

fun != run.

Aarthi

I actually need to spend some focus time on stuff, too. @BMitch @Tester101 y'all think you could wrap up for me? :D

Hmm, maybe these should just be an hour...

BMitch

@Tester101 depends on who you're chasing

Tester101

if(fun==run){!programmer;}

Biff MaGriff

@Aarthi nice curtains I like the new colour

BMitch

Jun 7, 2012 20:14

hour 2 is usually when shirlock shows up

Aaron

There we go

hola peeps

wax eagle

@Aaron howdy

Tester101

BLOGS!!!

Almost forgot to mention the BLOG.

Chris Cudmore

My problem with the blog is that if I stop to take photos, the job will never get done.

Aaron

Someone write up an answer for this one so it can get accepted:

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Q: Why won't my new water valves turn on?

Alright I just replaced my bathroom sink and faucet had some problems but managed through. Turned my water back on and the went back to the bathroom sink to turn the valves on but they won't turn. The valves are brand new quarter turn Sharkbite stop valves. What could I have done wrong? Both ...

Tester101

Jun 7, 2012 20:22

You need a dedicated camera person.

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore give your camera to your assistant, even if its a toddler :P

Chris Cudmore

My boys are the anthromorphic incarnations of the second law of thermodynamics.

I'm not letting either one of them touch the camera.

Remember "Pigpen" from the Peanuts comic?

wax eagle

@Aaron suggested user do it himeself :)

Aaron

@waxeagle even better

wax eagle

@Aaron if someone upvoted my comment that'd be swell..

Chris Cudmore

Jun 7, 2012 20:26

Just upvoted.

Tester101

upvote

Chris Cudmore

He's got a rep of 1. Can he even post an answer?

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore after a few hours he can

Tester101

New users can't answer questions?

wax eagle

actually now I think he even has enough rep to have done it as soon as he posted it (I think the lowered the needed rep to like 15 or 25 or something)

@Tester101 can't immediately answer their own questions

Tester101

Jun 7, 2012 20:29

@waxeagle I need to learn the rules.

Chris Cudmore

Yeah, he's at 21. New User is now removed at 10.

Aarthi

@BiffMaGriff Thank you! the yello is my faaavorite

and the b&w worked out surprisingly well

yes, okay, xoxo guys, I gotta roll out. Thanks for your time! You guys are rockstars. Next week, I'll have before and after pics of the bathroom!

/waves

Tester101

Back to work.

BMitch

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