Conversation started Mar 14, 2013 at 19:02.
Mar 14, 2013 19:02
Welcome to Project Update Thursday
@Tester101 I wasn't beating you up. It never got personal. It was existential discussion over what we should be.
Bye @Aarthi. Come back soon.
@Aarthi new meta request "give aarthi less to do on Thursdays so she can hang out for PUT"
and coming soon CUT!
Mar 14, 2013 19:03
that would be rad
CUT?
@Aarthi compost update Tuesdays...
in The Garden Shed, Sep 10 '12 at 18:10, by Aarthi
compost update tuesday
@ChrisCudmore I know. I'm just over dramatizing it.
ooo
i was joking but
that would be awesome
EVERYONE CAN COMPARE THEIR TEA
@Aarthi I'm seriously considering posting to meta asking about interest
Mar 14, 2013 19:05
do it do it
@waxeagle How about CUW or CUF. So users can attend both.
@Tester101 we're talking tuesday not thursday
It'll have to become PUR
and then unilever will sue us
You should make it COW, just have to figure out an O.
Damnit. Now I have to beat up @BMitch over that question.
Mar 14, 2013 19:09
compost opening wednesday
@ChrisCudmore pulls out my mod hammer ... go ahead, whacha got punk?
Compost Observing Wednesday, you can all watch the worms poop. :)
yes
Compost Offering Wednesday, you can all bring suggestions to be recycled into the yard
let's do that
hahahaha
ALL THE COFFEE GROUNDS
I'm just so glad we have municipal compost pickup here.
Mar 14, 2013 19:12
oh wow
Not something I want to get into.
that's nice
ew no
If I want compost, I can pick it up for free from the city. But I don't have to DIY.
@ChrisCudmore Compost pick up? Isn't the point of composting to use the fertile soil it creates on your garden?
omg @KarlKatzke
HE LIVES
Mar 14, 2013 19:13
@Tester101 My main concern is that I'm replacing the drywall in the adjoining bathroom.
@Aarthi Barely!
SO GOOD TO SEE YOU
No, they pick up my organics.
Woah, @Aarthi and @KarlKatzke, together again, it's a miracle!
hahahahaha. It's like old home week
I can go down to the city and get the end product for my garden if I want.
But I don't have to feed the racoons in my back yard.
Mar 14, 2013 19:14
all we need is shirlock
@ChrisCudmore Oh. That's cool. You Canadians think of everything.
@ChrisCudmore yeah I've got an opossum hanging out by mine...
It was really a shortage of landfill space.
should really get a .22
Mar 14, 2013 19:15
We've got 3 bins. Blue - Recyclables, Green - Organics, Black- Anything.
Oh we used to have a squirrel problem. Kept chewing a hole in the roof trim. Then my dogs caught the squirrel. Saved us $500 in trapper/exterminator fees
@KarlKatzke I don't follow.
If you're not touching the electrical, and you're not building the closet, it should not be a problem
@Tester101 I'm modifying the space in the adjoining rooms by replacing the drywall and moving light switches and whatnot. I'm concerned that the inspector is going to flag the room as modified and force me to move the panel to the exterior. Is that a justified concern?
What do you use the closet for?
It's the master suite's closet, unfortunately, and it has a clothes hangar over it. I'd planned to wall off the area around the panel so that clothes aren't hanging there.
Mar 14, 2013 19:19
If you're not modifying the panel in any way, I don't see why the inspector would say anything. But I guess it depends on the inspector.
Are you changing the closet at all?
We're moving a light switch and removing the hanagar rod that runs over the panel.
I'd take pictures to prove it's existing, and maybe make a call to the local government to ask them about it.
If you're not doing work in or on the panel, it should not be an issue.
Ok. Thanks. I was sort of worried about the project after reading that question and your response with the associated code issues.
Yeah, the only work that's been done to the panel was adding a circuit breaker for a new circuit for living room lights.
You usually don't have to bring things up to current code, unless you are making changes to that part of the system.
Otherwise every time you changed a light switch, you'd have to bring the whole building up to code. That would be expensive.
If the closet is existing, and the panel is existing, it must have been inspected and passed at a previous date.
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping is going to be the case. The problem is that I mostly do my own electrical, and I'm pretty good at keeping it up to code (i've passed all of my inspections except the time I forgot to use a green ground screw) ... but the inspectors are sometimes leery if it's not one I know.
Mar 14, 2013 19:27
The inspector should be able to look up passed permits, and will be able to see when it was passed, by who, and if there were any notes.
You didn't install the panel without a permit, did you?
The panel's original to the house as far as I know.
The date stamps on everything match to it and all of the breakers except the one I installed being original as well.
And yeah, I wouldn't install a panel or subpanel without a permit. And probably would call a pro in to do that.
Current code around here though requires the panel on the outside of the house, which I agree with. Moving it out there would be kind of difficult because of the structure of the house in that area and around the meter.
It'd require either a complete rewire of the house or a very large junction panel up in the attic to lengthen the wires.
Why would code require it on the outside?
They want to be able to shut off the power to the house in case of a fire.
FYI I noticed that the PUT message on the site isn't appearing lately...
Why not put a shut off at the meter?
Mar 14, 2013 19:33
Because that would make sense.
@Steven it appears in the community bulletin now. all chat event notifications do
@Aarthi what's the community bulletin?
forcing the panel outside seems foolish to me. So now you're outside in the middle of winter trying to trip a breaker.
@Steven top of home page, right hand side
@Steven yellow box on the right sidebar, below the logo
Mar 14, 2013 19:34
@KarlKatzke So your neighbors can come by and shut all your lights off, or stick a fork in the panel?
@Tester101 That's the way that all of the houses in the area are built right now, yes. The panel is usually located behind a fence, but not always.
@Steven ah, it's gone because half hour after start of event
Good afternoon Boys and girls
21 mins ago, by Aarthi
all we need is shirlock
now it's a party
Mar 14, 2013 19:36
woooooooooo
LOLOL Where did my girl so?
Aarthi must have known I was coming on, so she split. lol
@shirlockhomes seems so
Found one of those nasty FPE panels on a job today. Home owner wasn't impressed
What's the hot topic today?
What's FPE?
Federal Pacific Electric
Mar 14, 2013 19:42
@shirlockhomes I believe the hot topic is harassing moderators, but I suggest a change of topic.
I'm good at harrassment. lol
No. Harassing moderators is fun.
big blue meanies.
agreed, what is the point of having super computers in our pockets if we can't start flaming wars online
what did u guys do this time? lol
They closed a question!!!!!!!
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Q: What can I do to avoid incandescent bulbs for my 3-bulb ceiling fan, yet maintain brightness?

JoshDMMy ceiling fan takes 3 candelabra (E12) base bulbs for lighting. The bulb slots are labeled 75W - 125V. The fan light is dimmable and I currently use 3 60w incandescent flame tips. I plan to switch to LEDs or flourescent bulbs, but so far I have only found candelabra-based LED bulbs at 25w eq...

Mar 14, 2013 19:43
sorry that question's abuse might be partly might fault..
Those blue bast.... oh, wait.
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I had a tenant put CFLs in a dimmer circuit and blew up the dimmer
Cool! Or was it hot?
probably hot.
Mar 14, 2013 19:45
Possibly magic smokey
did it in two rooms.
@shirlockhomes If at first you don't succeed, try again until the house burns down.
Is this even legal?
Ya pissed me off, it was in my other house. never called just let it roast to a crispy brown. Then said there was something wrong with the lights
Mar 14, 2013 19:48
whoa!
all three of us!
WHAT MAGIC IS THIS
it is inventive!
Yes. The second box is a cord and plug device, is not covered under electrical code.
However...
extension cord! lol
It's not listed... So it would be up to the AHJ
probably been cheaper to get a longer cord and install it in dryer.
Mar 14, 2013 19:50
If that's an unfinished basement, it should be GFCI protected.
@shirlockhomes yes, those plugs are expensive
No GFI on 240vac single use appliances
actually, no Gfi required on any single use motor load appliance
as long as it is not a duplex outlet
same rule as a fridge on a home run in the kitchen
@shirlockhomes Correct on 240V not requiring GFCI. As of 2008, that dedicated appliance exception is gone.
Really!!!! OMG, I'm in trouble
All unfinished basement and garage receptacles must be GFCI (2008 and beyond).
Mar 14, 2013 19:54
Damn, I got a few I gotta fix!!!!!!
I never put freezers in GFI.
If it was a gas dryer and was within 6' of the laundry sink, it would have to be GFCI.
What's the line for finished basement or garage vs. unfinished? drywall?
for purposes of this section, unfinished basements are defined as portions or areas of the basement not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and the like
Tester is the autority on NEC. I go with what he says
Garage is a garage, there is no unfinished distinction there.
Mar 14, 2013 19:56
If I wasn't retiring, I'd go buy the new book
@shirlockhomes Buy it anyways. It will be good beach reading.
No beaching for this boy... Pearl riding!! lol
What's Pearl Riding?
Diving?
got a new 900 lb pull windless for the Pearl. Boat goes in April 15th!!!! yahoo
My boat is named the "Black Pearl"
yay!
Mar 14, 2013 20:01
do you have internet service on it?
Tester, you will be happy to know I installed GFIs on all my 120 VAC on the Pearl
yep
Puttin WiFi in the Marina this spring
Smart ass!! lmao
90.2 Scope. (B) Not Covered.
(1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles
I feel safer with it onboard with shore power connected
@shirlockhomes niceeee
Sweetheart I missed you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
figured you didn't love me anymore
Mar 14, 2013 20:05
Aw shucks, @shirlockhomes
I could never.
hehehehehehe
Just been busy! And I just got back from vacation. My cousin got married!
Thank god you didn't!!! hehe
I hear you are a mucky muck now
congrats
Vacation???? nice, where did you go? anyplace good?
Went abroad! To India
My cousin's family is all there, soo...
I'm hardly mucky-muck -- just stuck keeping tabs on all the mods!
That is great. I bet you enjoyed it. they must be very proud of you
Mar 14, 2013 20:08
:) It was really nice to see my extended family!
But being cooped up with my mother 24/7 was a bit much, haha.
Oooh. @Aarthi is middle management now.
I went to Florida, was hoping to see you there!
Ya, she is being modest again
@KarlKatzke ha!
@shirlockhomes oh man, I want to go to Miami again so badly
it's been ages
Ugh. Miami is a cesspool. I hate going there.
We did the east and west coast. looking to buy a snowbird place
party town Miami
I'm gonna be a senior biker dude. lol
ride a Harley to all the Tiki Bars
when I'm not on the boat, that is
lmao
Mar 14, 2013 20:12
are you gonna store the harley in fl? or carry it on the boat
hah. I'd skip miami and just go to the bahamas and drink Kalik
AArthi, invite to Maine in summer still open, my hot son may even be here!!!! lol
@Aarthi how long was that wedding, did you do the full week of events, or just show up for a few days?
He's a software engineer in CT
watches the match maker work his magic
Mar 14, 2013 20:14
hehehehehe
since no one is talking HI, I figure set up A little romance.
I think you scared her away, kinda like this guy:
@shirlockhomes laughs
@BMitch wedding was a 2-day affair, I was abroad for 10 days
I LOVE THAT TEST DRIVE
I love that Vid. hilarious
I did that to an Acura salesman
Mar 14, 2013 20:17
poor bastard. bet he peeed his pants
hahaha
I did it in a BMW lmao
No, he was actually fine with it. He knew what the car was capable of
@Aarthi that's about all of an Indian wedding I could handle too
@BMitch heh
Mar 14, 2013 20:17
There's a specific Acura -- the MDX with SH-AWD -- that really cannot be flipped. You can throw it into a gravel-covered corner at 50 mph and do a 90-degree turn and it will just DO IT
@Aarthi I stood out as the tall white guy carrying around a bottle of water and who couldn't understand a word anyone was saying, but it was fun.
I almost took out a guard rail in a small drift. scard me too!!!!!!!!!!!!
@BMitch awww you were that guy
@shirlockhomes yikes!
@shirlockhomes Nah, that's the fun part. The best part is that my dad works for Honda of America directly with most of the dealers nationwide, and as soon as I walk into any dealership and drop his name I get the royal treatment. I can test drive anything I want alone without a salesman and without signing any papers.
man, the google reader people are coming out in strength
Mar 14, 2013 20:19
@Aaron My pitchfork is lit.
@KarlKatzke dayum
@KarlKatzke oh snap
@KarlKatzke good, mine too
I switched my search to Bing as soon as I saw the announcement. I'm looking for an alternative to gmail and switching away from all the google services I can.
@KarlKatzke there's @live.com
it's hotmail 2.0 basically
Eh, I'm trying not to go full microsoft.
Mar 14, 2013 20:21
@Aaron I'm sad, shifted everything over to netvibes this morning. But there's a reason I host my own email.
I hate hosting my own mail; dealing with spam protection is a beast.
Who'd have thought in 1995 that almost 20 yrs later, Microsoft would be the LEAST evil of the techs?
I'm hoping to upgrade my 386 soon. lol
the thing is there are some good apps that are useful, but I need to keep the same list of read items on desktop, phone, ipad, etc
Installed spam assassin on a linux box, still have a 3rd party with the front end mail server that I pop from, I just run imaps and mail filters before it reaches my phone/laptop.
Mar 14, 2013 20:28
BMitch: I think your assassin killed the party!
Let's talk about that test drive again. :)
So, foam pipe insulation, how tight does it need to fit around the pipe for it to be worthwhile
No, I almost crapped my pants when the car broke loose. lol. And I'm used to performance cars
I measured one of the hot pipes and it is 7/8" OD so 3/4" pipe but it seems a little looser than I really expect it to, and the 1/2" insulation doesn't fit
snug and taped
as long as you tape it closed, doesn't matter if it's a bit loose
Mar 14, 2013 20:31
with what tape?
I use good grade duct tape or tyvec tape
Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure, but I must be off.
Adios, adieu, farewell! <3
nice to see you again Aarti
@Aarthi thanks for hanging out!
@shirlockhomes The pleasure is all mine, dear Shirlock
Mar 14, 2013 20:33
XOXOXOX ;)
you guys just shut up!!!! lolo
Hey all!
@Aaron
hey Josh
welcome
@waxeagle always <3
/waves
@joshmax Welcome to the party josh
Ya Aarthi, better say goodbye to all the guys so they won't be jelous. hehehehehe
Mar 14, 2013 20:36
Been a while... I got pinged in a chat earlier for having some posts ready on the blog site :)
OH NO!!! did BMitch delete one of yours too?
haha, no I finally finished one that I started ... like... a year ago :S
Hello @joshmax
@Aaron hey hey
we are picking on moderators, I think.
Mar 14, 2013 20:40
@joshmax: Do you have an after picture on the hardwood?
hmmm....
way too kind
@ChrisCudmore the one I added is the best I could get right now. :/
@shirlockhomes true - but it's funny
heheheheeh
No Superman pics?
how about....
http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i51/5/4/26/frabz-FORUM-MODERATOR-What-my-friends-think-I-do-What-my-mom-thinks-I--c84c27.jpg
Mar 14, 2013 20:43
There you go Tester!!!!!
You guys are incouragable
...
That is a great new word which I will use in the future
@joshmax hey, it's the year of motion control.
better link:
http://i.imgur.com/InOIacE.jpg
SWARM technology
Mar 14, 2013 20:46
@Aaron thank you, sir.
@waxeagle ...... wha-huh?
guess I missed the memo
@joshmax leap motion coming in the next couple months (dev kits shipped already), and there is anothing one I can't remember the name of but it's an arm band controller that is set to ship later this year
myo, that's the other one
@waxeagle what's that got to do with picking on moderators? :P
@joshmax minority report in the "what I think I do" panel :P
The awesome thing about that particular episode is that if you pay attention, at least once he erases the board and then writes the exact same thing on it
Mar 14, 2013 20:56
ha
Oh, when are we doing project updates? It is thursday, right?
We did that. You talked about moving a closet.
Thanks for joining Project Update Thursday
 
Conversation ended Mar 14, 2013 at 21:02.