Conversation started Apr 22, 2020 at 7:11.
Apr 22, 2020 07:11
can u tell what point they are trying to show here
I don't think there is anything very profound being shown there. It's just showing how metals fail when they are stressed past their yield stress.
what exactly is failing
ah the elastic property of the metals ig
If you take a metal rod and apply an increasing force to it then at first it behaves ideally i.e. obeys Hooke's law. Yes?
But all metals contain defects in the crystal structure. These are called dislocations.
Apr 22, 2020 07:17
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At a high enough stress these dislocations start to move through the metal and the metal starts to deform plastically. The stress at which the dislocations start to move is called the yield stress.
aha okay
For steel the stress-strain curve actually shows a dip when the dislocations start to move, while the aluminium rod just shows a change of gradient. I'm not sure how significant this difference is.
ohkay
Yield point strain = Usually 2% of the total strain
Anyhow, as the dislocations move they start to tangle up with each other and get to the point where they can't move any more. As this happens the metal actually gets stronger. This process is known as work hardening. Here they've called it strain hardening but it's the same thing.
Apr 22, 2020 07:20
ok
what about necking
Eventually the metal gets to the point where none of the dislocations can move any more, and then the metal breaks.
why if dislocations don't move the metals break?
Necking means the metal breaks by forming a thinned region. Let me see if I can find a picture to show what I mean.
The "neck" is the region that thins as the metal breaks.
Using Paint Shop Pro? :-)
Apr 22, 2020 07:26
nah i still use paint for these things xD
Boo :-)
@JohnRennie Do u know why the graph rises then falls then rises then again falls
The final fall is when the metal starts to form a neck. What happens is the neck reduces the cross section area so once the neck forms the metal deforms plastically and snaps.
I don't know why steel shows an initial fall after the yield stress while aluminium doesn't.
ok
do u know what those dotted lines are
@JohnRennie
Apr 22, 2020 07:45
I suspect that the vertical axis is actually recording force not stress.
The way you do these measurements is you put the rod into a machine that applies a strain increasing linearly with time and the machine measures the force. Then the force is converted to a stress by dividing it by the original cross sectional area of he rod.
OK so far?
But as the neck forms it reduces the cross sectional area of the rod and the calculation of the stress doesn't take this into account because it just divides the measured force by what is assumed to be a constant area.
So as the neck forms the stress is really higher than the graph shows because the reduction in area isn't being taken into account.
ah ok
Apr 22, 2020 07:49
So the dashed line shows the true stress i.e. the measured force divided by the reduced area.
There are probably videos on YouTube showing how the tester works ...
ok .I will serch about them
That's a pretty standard test rig. It nicely shows the neck formation as the rod fails.
why did they remove that thing after yield strength was founf
I think the extensometer is a very sensitive length measurement and they use it in the early stages because up to the yield stress the length changes are very small. Once the metal has started yielding the length changes are a lot bigger and you no longer need a very accurate measurement.
And I guess the extensometer could get damaged when the rod breaks.
Apr 22, 2020 08:02
Though to be honest that's a guess ...
Apr 22, 2020 08:18
@JohnRennie what's difference between elastic limit and yield point
Elastic Limit: The maximum
stress or force per unit area
within a solid material that
can arise before the onset of
permanent deformation.
In this diagram, 2nd point gives
the elastic limit.
Yield Stress: A yield strength or
yield point of a material is
defned as the stress at which
a material begins to deform
plastically.
Prior to the yield point the
material will deform elastically
and returns to its original
shape when stress is removed
The elastic limit is the strain at which permanent deformation occurs i.e. up to the elastic limit if you remove the stress the metal will return to its original length.
yes
what happens between elastic limit and yield pont
I'm not sure how much difference there is between the terms elastic limit and yield point.
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Q: Yield Point and Elastic Limit

AhnafElastic Limit - the point upto which the wire reatins its original length after the force is withdrawn. Yield Point - The point where there is a large permanent change in length with no extra load force. These are how these two are defined in my A Level book and also stated by my teacher. In W...

I suspect yield point can mean different things to different people.
 
Conversation ended Apr 22, 2020 at 8:23.