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4:00 PM
heh
 
@StefanoPalazzo: Any word on that Python bug yet?
 
oh wait, so if I recommend them
 
it's just a bit weird that obvious ones like 64-bit ← amd64 can hang around for such a long time without a single vote
 
it still shows up in a queue?
 
not sure if you can see this page, but yes: askubuntu.com/tags/synonyms
@GeorgeEdison which one?
 
4:01 PM
@StefanoPalazzo The one holding up your lens.
 
there's none suggested right now, right?
 
@GeorgeEdison ah yes... It's supposed to be solved, but people still report it
 
whats with this notebook model tag
 
yeah, so for example I can't suggest virtualization <- virtual-machine
 
we don't want this, do we?
 
4:02 PM
@htorque there's one I didn't approve, plugin ← extension
 
@htorque we have some model ones already
 
@JorgeCastro that sucks we need to fix this system :/
 
I think having asus-1018p or something?
 
@GeorgeEdison hey, on an unrelated note: what is a good way to invalidate session keys for a web-app login?
 
@StefanoPalazzo ...in PHP?
 
4:04 PM
I would like to have a good user experience even when cookies are disabled
 
So. . . when did tags get this messy?!
 
@GeorgeEdison it's in python, but my question is more general. Should I touch them, i.e. update a time-stamp, and invalidate the ones older than 15 minutes, or something like that?
 
@JamesGifford when we got a lot of newer users with higher rep
 
@RolandTaylor Ugh.
 
@JamesGifford when we got 100 instead of 30 questions a day :P
 
4:05 PM
@htorque That too.
 
@StefanoPalazzo Sorry, what are we talking about?
 
@JamesGifford it was way easier to monitor all new questions some months ago
 
@StefanoPalazzo sure go ahead
 
@GeorgeEdison this is what I'm doing now:
if kwargs['user'] in self.users:
    if self.users[kwargs['user']] == hashlib.sha1(kwargs['pass']).hexdigest():
        session_key = hex(random.randint(0, 2**64-1))[2:].rstrip("L").rjust(16, "0")
        self.sessions.append(session_key)
Now, I need a method to remove session keys from the list using some sensible metric
I was thinking maybe there's an accepted convention
 
4:07 PM
3 mins ago, by Stefano Palazzo
@GeorgeEdison hey, on an unrelated note: what is a good way to invalidate session keys for a web-app login?
 
sorry for off-topicness of that
throws ninja dust
 
@StefanoPalazzo Sorry... I really don't know.
 
@StefanoPalazzo make the client system hang up so he has to reboot, nah I don't know either to be honest
 
heh, okay :)
 
bummer... how can you code a random number generator for a library without making it possible to set a seed? doesn't want to rewrite half of that lib :-(
 
4:09 PM
But I'm not on the wrong track altogether, right? this is a sensible way to implement a login?
 
gosh ... finding stuff on Stack Overflow becomes harder every day ...
lol awesome!
 
lol
 
@OctavianDamiean Doesn't work. :( - google.com/…
 
4:24 PM
ah I was about to say the same thing :P
 
lol. :P
 
4:37 PM
and back home \o
@htorque just believe it is random :)
 
hi @Rinzwind @JamesGifford !
 
heya! shoarma day for me
 
@Rinzwind shoarma?
 
yeah :D
doner kebab?
 
yeah, got it.
 
4:49 PM
:D
 
we have it here sometimes too!
but prepared differently
 
ah
well basically I toss the meat in and then some veggies and call it shoarma :=D
 
since beef isnt legal in india, and pork is also a partly tabboo, we just use chicken :p
 
it's illegal?
 
In India it is :D
(cows are sacred)
 
4:51 PM
dude, i didn't know that
that i knew
 
never seen an Indian traffic jam where everyone needs to wait for the cow the get up and walk away? :D
 
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A: Is AES-NI fully supported?

Octavian DamieanIt is supported at least since Karmic Koala on the amd64 architecture and since Natty Narwhal it is supported also on the i386 architecture. You can find that out by looking at the kernel configuration files found here. Search for the term CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_NI_INTEL.

\o/
 
sure!
but that also happens in the alps
 
+1 \o/
 
@htorque not by law in the entire country, but you wouldn't want ot be lynched ;)
 
4:53 PM
"cowed to death"
 
@Rinzwind Doesn't happen a lot now.. its just a stereotype ;)
 
:D
@KaustubhP oh sorry :D :D
 
its ok brother! it all depends on the person driving the vehicle. he might wait, he might go around, or he might shoo the cow away.
 
well we dutch are supposed to walk with clogs, have tulips everywhere and always eat cheese
 
LOL!
 
4:55 PM
@Rinzwind oh you aren't like that? :D
 
don't forget tomatoes that taste like water and the red light district in amsterdam :D
 
@OctavianDamiean not even close :-D
 
@Rinzwind I know just joking :D
 
@htorque ahh, who can forget Eurotrip!
 
4:57 PM
me! never seen that :P
 
Eurotrip :X
 
@Rinzwind dont like it?
 
Germans: sausages, beer, big cars :=D
 
@KaustubhP naaa it is way to american to be any good
 
5:00 PM
Thats true.
 
3
Q: Ubuntu UEC moving to OpenStack: What to do about new installations for the next 6 months?

Justin Myles HolmesSo, the news that Ubuntu will use OpenStack for its cloud fabric starting with Oneiric is exciting, but what to do today? I'm ready to begin deployments that will not be needed in production until Oneiric is released, but I'd like to get starting on them today. It doesn't seem to make any sense...

 
> I certainly know which way my stomach votes.
amen :D
 
is that a valid question?
I mean isn't it just a bit too localized?
 
yeah
I can get him an answer
 
dunno; saw it y-day but I am still a n00b :=D
ah hello @JorgeCastro! points at starred htorques' 10k post
 
5:02 PM
What am I doing wrong?
 
it's too short
 
it's probably too short.
 
how the hell do I @{your name}? _O-
 
that error message is pure awesomeness
 
and to answer you question: 1 way would be to use virtualization and make it from the host :=D
 
5:03 PM
@Rinzwind AltGr + a
 
nope :X á <-
 
@htorque congratulations on becoming a unicorn :D
@Rinzwind oh well probably due to different keyboard layouts
 
no AltGr here :(
 
@OctavianDamiean thanks, it was inevitable
 
US international overhere so it's a rather basic layout
LOL @aendrik _O- now I can't answer it :*(
 
5:05 PM
<- German layout @Rinzwind
 
@Rinzwind just ignore him - it's his fault after all :D
 
lol
I'd be careful @htorque he might retract rep from you >:D
 
so be it :P
 
good night @Rinzwind @htorque @OctavianDamiean @JorgeCastro @aendruk!
 
bai!
 
5:07 PM
@KaustubhP night
 
have a good one!
 
3
Q: Some windows aren't recognised by Unity

RedandwhiteSome apps, including Transmission in particular, are not recognised by the Unity window manager. I am not able to focus or select certain windows. Curiously, I also can't drag it to the launcher. Opening works using the standard Super > Type 'trans..' > Click. I'm not quite sure what I...

 
screenshot of login from tty1:
chvt 7; sleep 5; XAUTHORITY=/var/gdm/:0.Xauth DISPLAY=0.0 import -window root /tmp/gdm-login-shot.png
 
Jan 26 at 21:39, by Stefano Palazzo
you can type just "@ndrük" and the system will know who you mean
 
isn't this question a bug?
 
5:08 PM
@ndrük see my previous post! that might work for a screenshot
execute from tty1 and log out on tty7
 
Tricky.
 
hmm?
 
@KaustubhP night
 
Ill try it first >:D brb
 
anyone?
 
5:11 PM
@ndrük didn't work _O-
@OctavianDamiean bug could be. suggest a reboot \o
 
@Rinzwind I'm quite sure he has tried that already :D
 
is back
 
welcome back
 
I got close with sudo fbgrab -c 8 login-screen.png, I think...
 
@htorque: congrats :) I always knew it will happen.
 
5:16 PM
@ændrük oh wow, whats that? :D
 
Well, that's about what my login screen would look like if a lawnmower got to it.
 
@Takkat thanks, finally i got something important for my CV ;)
 
@ndrük have a look at xnest: xfree86.org/4.2.0/Xnest.1.html
 
this should be closed
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Q: Ubuntu no-unity alternative?

TomHi guys I've been using natty since it came out now. I'm a developer and unity sucks for me. I figured out how to disable unity (from the login screen) a week ago, but everything seems to be working only halfway on my desktop now, the notification area doesn't work correctly anymore, my sound-c...

 
5:19 PM
it is a rant actually
 
opera guys know about AU \o/
 
good for the opera dudes and dudettes :D
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I met an Opera dudette. She was cool.
Strange that I met people who's technologies/programs I never really use. lol
 
@JamesGifford I met a whole bunch of people whose technology I use :D
 
5:23 PM
@OctavianDamiean Hehe. You went to UDS you lucky dawg. is going to try for the LTS
 
I hate instructions that look good but do not work :(
 
@Rinzwind Thanks for the suggestions.
 
doesn;t seem to work @ndrük :X I get an implementation error
 
Yeah I haven't quite gotten it yet. Gotta run now, maybe someone will post an answer by the time I'm back from work.
 
Fail - www.uds.ubuntu.com doesn't redirect to uds.ubuntu.com. Where do I report DNS resolution errors?
 
5:26 PM
I am absolutely positive you can do this from tty1 though.
 
@JamesGifford www is overrated. It's antiquated
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@MarcoCeppi It is, however, it's still a bug. If you look at ubuntu.com, it redirects you to www.ubuntu.com
Try it.
 
what happens to rep when I delete the answer? _O-
 
However, uds.ubuntu.com isn't a top level domain
the uds is the www
 
Not sure what you mean by that.
 
5:28 PM
www.uds.ubuntu.com looks malformed to me
 
well. let's break it down X.Y.Z
WWW = x; UBUNTU = y; COM = z
UDS = x; UBUNTU = y; COM = z
 
uds is a subdomain of ubuntu.com
OR they registered uds.ubuntu
 
OH. doesn't really understand DNS that well
 
I don't see why www.uds.ubuntu.com should work
 
there is no need to anchor uds.ubuntu.com with a www since uds is essentially replacing the www
@OctavianDamiean It really shouldn't
 
5:29 PM
@MarcoCeppi oh hello there :D
 
not if they regged uds.ubuntu ;) it's possible to reg a domain with a dot
 
yes. however, I know many people who type "www.<domain>.<tld>"
 
@Rinzwind \o/ Message number one million on chat.stackexchange.com
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@Rinzwind No it's not
 
I was just going to say that as well
 
5:30 PM
oh :P
 
. is an illegal character in domain registrations. It's basically Alphanumerics and -
[A-z0-9-]+
 
@MarcoCeppi are you going to be at UDS-P?
 
@YiJiang come again? eh I made the 1m'th post? :X
 
@Rinzwind yes you did. :O
 
@Rinzwind you won an invisible unicorn!
 
5:32 PM
dingdingding
 
@MarcoCeppi that can not be true! nowadays we can use LOTS more chars.
germans can use all the letters with " on them
 
@Rinzwind which ones? Umlauts you mean? They are just remapped in the background
 
oh
ok I'll shut up >:D
(about that)
 
anyone up for helping me out with this web stuff yet again?
 
where's my badge for the 1m'th post in chat? >:D
fyi! I also was the one that made the 1000th star in chat _O-
 
5:34 PM
@StefanoPalazzo sure, lets create a Stefano Webdev room :D
 
@OctavianDamiean shall join and watch
 
lol
 
@OctavianDamiean I've got to go in a minute, let's do that later :)
 
@StefanoPalazzo right, later then :)
 
5:35 PM
ahhhhhhhhhhhh he doesn't want James to watch :D
 
@StefanoPalazzo sweet.
 
the main div has position: absolute, and top: 48px; I can change that using jquery's .animate when the top notification bar hides, but I'd really like the top top be relative and the bottom to be absolute
is something like that possible?
(you'll note the scroll bar is behind the notification, not very elegant)
 
@Rinzwind aaahhhhh..... no. I'm just curious about webdev. thinks we should start the "askubuntu web devvers" room thang
 
you guys can all create gallery chat rooms no?
 
did you see the chrome dev video @JamesGifford
 
5:37 PM
I think you get that privilege early, at 100 rep or something?
righto, I've got to leave. See you all later :-)
Someone go create that room ;-)
 
BAI!
 
bye
 
bbl Bleach episode 322 \o/
 
cu l8ter @Rinzwind
 
5:49 PM
@OctavianDamiean Yes :D
 
oh interesting, found a nautilus bug
checks the reported bugs
 
tell us tell us
 
does anyone have an ISO image somewhere to help me confirm that it is not due to nautilus-elementary?
 
ya
 
basically just right click an ISO image, mount it using the Archive Mounter and open the mounted image
right click in that directory and select properties
it should crash
 
5:53 PM
how hard is that one?
 
@OctavianDamiean confirmed
 
@JorgeCastro well this also depends on the backend, if the backend does has it implemented to inform you of changes in your collection the frontend is not that hard
@htorque on stock nautilus?
 
ya
 
right, thanks :)
 
that bug is going to rot in bugzilla.gnome.org :P
 
5:56 PM
@Rinzwind Yeah. It's cool.
 
this only happens when mounting an image with the Archive Mounter
oh god I should proofread my comments ...
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Wil
@Rinzwind :( Us in the SuperUser Room (well, probably just me and a few others) were waiting and then it snuck up so fast... Congratulations, you got chat message 1,000,000! - chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1000000#1000000
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@OctavianDamiean BEST. MESSAGE. EVER.
 
@Rinzwind Nah i found it . it was steamboat willie en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamboat_Willie
 
@JorgeCastro the client implementation would be quite easy actually, every song you retrieve gets written to a sqlite database and the image get cached on the system/sdcard (depends it there is a sdcard available or not), the images cover art n' stuff can be cached permanently as those things don't change that way you can get reduce the network communication on that part of the application quite a bit
 
6:03 PM
@Rinzwind made history.
 
@OctavianDamiean ok
I'm just looking for an easy one so we can get you started on a few fixes
 
@JorgeCastro ok cool :)
oh yea
4
Q: Allow 3k users to see the pending close-vote question queue

Octavian DamieanOn Stack Overflow it might look like it doesn't make much sense but it would make sense on smaller SE sites where there are not that many 10k users. On Ask Ubuntu the way we handle this right now is to have a separate chat room where we can post questions that need to be closed. Wouldn't it make...

@JorgeCastro -^
 
upvoted!
 
LOL
I am famous O+
@Wil thanks :X
 
So I got tired of spilling my drinks everywhere. I bought a big mug to fix the problem
 
6:06 PM
@MarcoCeppi That thing is. . . huge
 
It also sports the Ubuntu sticker :D
 
That's officially awesome.
 
capacity?
 
3
Q: How can I graphically mount ISOs?

OxwiviI want a graphical (GUI) method to mount an ISO, is there any way to do so?

I just love that question, look at how awesome our users are!
 
Wil
@Rinzwind No problem... :) I should probably leave this room... I think my body may start burning if I stay in a non MS room long enough!
 
6:08 PM
that's why i spent a couple of votes there ;)
 
@htorque Well I had half a gallon of milk and there was still room in the cup
 
omg A WINDOWS USER points
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@Wil ehehe. Stick around! We're friendly enough. Well, we'd like to think we are. ;)
 
@Wil do all your answers to questions start with " did you reboot?" _O-
 
Oxwivi's method doesn't need a new tool though
so he's the winnar!
 
6:09 PM
lol
 
@Wil I have some Ubuntu 11.04 CDs don't you want one?
 
@OctavianDamiean O- _O
 
@MarcoCeppi gallon what? metric system > all :P
 
@Wil Have some Vim!
 
Wil
@Rinzwind Take a look at my profile! NO!... Anyway... I was advised to do that quite a bit when I used Ubuntu :P ...
 
6:10 PM
@htorque Probably holds 2 liters
 
this must be the most friendly flamewar ever \o
 
1.98 liters?
holy
 
@JorgeCastro true that, only drawback is that when you want to look at the properties of that mounted image nautils crashes
 
i want this
"only one cup of coffee for me"
 
@htorque that is ridiculous!
 
6:11 PM
@Wil fyi htorque made 10k rep today
 
just imagine you drop that thing on your foot ...
 
@htorque 9:00 you start drinking coffee 17:00 you have the last sip and go home
 
QUESTION: how do I change the 'Workspace Switcher' key-binding?
 
@Rinzwind i'm not sure everybody cares that much about it :D:P
 
Wil
@Rinzwind I have respect for Ubuntu, I like it :) ... I just hate people who flame non stop without actually trying something - I used Ubuntu as my main machine for 6 months+ and did a usability research thing at Canonical a few years ago... I just prefer Windows, but if someone asks me something, I can give an honest opinion instead of blabla is better than blabla!
 
6:12 PM
@htorque >:-D
 
Wil
@Rinzwind huh?
 
@Wil oh I don't mind ;-) I think anyone should use the OS they think they can do their tasks the most efficiently with
 
@Wil Good. I use Windows, I respect it as I would a deadly enemy, and if I had to use it I'd know how to make it do my bidding. :)
 
Wil
@JamesGifford :/ oh well... no convincing some people! :)
 
@Wil Hehe. ;)
 
6:14 PM
@Wil every OS has its zaelots \o/
 
@htorque yay 10k!
 
lol
 
Wil
... Mind you, whilst I am here... Does anyone know of any quick guides (if such a thing exists) to private cloud? I set up one Ubuntu Server with the Eucalyptus (I know they are switching soon) and 3 nodes - but I just couldn't figure out how to actually do anything... It isn't serious or for work, I just wanted to muck around/test it
 
@Wil I've got server team people watching AU, you can ask there
but hold on
we got guides and stuff everywhere
there you go
 
@JorgeCastro yeah, and i thought i would never reach it
 
6:19 PM
oh god ... filing a bug on bugzilla.gnome.org is complicated ...
 
after I hit it I started bountying for other people more
 
@JorgeCastro it just took 201 days - time goes by...
 
but unfortunately people keep abandoning their questions
 
Wil
Brilliant thanks! I just set up everything in Workstation and wasn't sure what to do next - I doubt this will get serious, but I was just really curious to see if I could do something! Even if it is just a distributed "Hello World" app :)
 
i don't understand this - often i comment directly after they asked the question and i get no feedback
 
6:20 PM
feel free to just ask on the site, we're in dire need of more UEC questions
 
@htorque You scared them.
 
@Wil would be distributed awesomeness :D
 
it's like "post, close the browser, go on holidays for a week"
 
@htorque yeah, it's like "post this info and I can help you" and then crickets
 
@htorque yeah. I even had people commenting "this worked" and leave it at 0 _O- weird
 
Wil
6:21 PM
@OctavianDamiean :)
 
How can I graphically mount ISOs? http://bit.ly/kUKDcD #mount
 
@OctavianDamiean don't get annoyed by bugzilla, better get annoyed by years of no response :P
 
@htorque well you know as if I'd know which exact subpart of nautilus triggers the bug :D
 
again I reached my max votes with 5 hours to go :-D
 
@OctavianDamiean it only really matters if you get really lucky and find someone that's interested in fixing it
 
6:27 PM
@Wil have you tried 11.04 ?
remember ubuntu evolves much faster that windows!
 
oh how i hate that rename regression in nautilus (selects the whole filename including the extension) >:(
even microsoft fixed it :P
 
extensions :r
 
@MarcoCeppi have you contacted the server team about the apt-url redirector becuase the current one looks ugly
 
I love it when I send someone an attachment and they mail back: hey how do I open this :D
 
@htorque extensions are for technically backward people .
ubuntu users don't need them
 
6:32 PM
i need them :)
 
@Alaukik I built the apturlredirector project from a spec by MPT: wiki.ubuntu.com/AptUrlRedirector We were in contact about it and contact has stopped without any replies for sometime
 
@MarcoCeppi thats sad :(
 
Yeah, the project is done unless they get back to me with any bugs
 
0
A: How to show current permissions of a folder

Octavian DamieanOn the command line you'd issue a ls -la /srv/www. The part that is interesting for you is the second line. Explanation of all columns: total [NUMBER] [PERMISSIONS] [LINKS] [OWNER] [GROUP] [FILE SIZE] [MODIFICATION DATE] [ITEM] Sample output: total 52 drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 2011-04-1...

just loves the command line :D
 
@OctavianDamiean damn you beat me to it _O-
throws away answer
ah well it was fun. Have to get up at 5 tomorrow so see ya'll next time :)
 
6:42 PM
updated it with a GUI variant :)
 
cya
 
@Rinzwind night
 
bye @Rinzwind
 
Night @Rinzwind. :)
 
Wil
@Alaukik I Haven't really used Ubuntu seriously for about 3-4 years... Just every so often I install and muck around, but nothing serious (When I used it for around 6 months and nothing else)
 
6:54 PM
@htorque I'm not sure if this is a nautilus bug anymore
it doesn't crash when you mount the image with any other software :/
meh I'll report it anyway
oh boy, I didn't mention the distro ... what an idiot I am
 

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