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12:11 AM
Hi guys
quick question. Let's say I want to pass an option to a package, but not using the [] method. I think I once saw a command like passoption or something like that...
 
12:32 AM
@MarioS.E. \PassOptionsToPackage{<option>}{<package>}?
 
@HarishKumar Doesn't seem to work...
@HarishKumar I mean, I don't get any errors... but is not working
 
1:10 AM
Hello to all :)
 
1:25 AM
@cmhughes Hi Chris
@MarioS.E. Sorry. May be I didn't follow. Can you give some more details?
 
@HarishKumar Hi Harish :)
 
@cmhughes How are you Chris?
 
@HarishKumar pretty good thanks :) how about you? :)
 
@cmhughes Fine. :) Only trouble is getting lot of (other) work during vacation!. :(
 
@HarishKumar d'oh!
 
1:30 AM
@cmhughes :)
@cmhughes Did you upload indent to CTAN?
 
@HarishKumar yes indeedyo :) http://www.ctan.org/pkg/latexindent
v1.0R- let the bug reports begin!
 
@cmhughes Wow. Jumping into the page now.
 
@HarishKumar sweet :) hopefully it'll be part of TeXLive 2013- not really sure how it all works, but I've been told that the TL folks are very efficient
 
@cmhughes It doen't tell in which distribution it is included. Any idea? What about miktex?
 
@HarishKumar as I understand it, the distribution is responsible for getting the stuff from ctan... ctan is distribution-independent (I think)
 
1:35 AM
@cmhughes Also the github is recent one isn't it? ot the CTAN one? Are they same?
 
@HarishKumar they should be the same... I forgot to commit V1.0R until today, but it's the same
 
@cmhughes Oh. Then may be I have to wait for the next update of miktex. When did you update it BTW?
 
@HarishKumar I got the message from ctan on Saturday- I haven't changed it for a few weeks
 
@cmhughes :) Then it will be certainly a waiting for us. /Why miktex is so slow?
 
@HarishKumar not really sure about MiKTeX.... :) It's just one person isn't it?
 
2:22 AM
@cmhughes True... but 1=many there ;-)
 
 
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3:36 AM
since latex has no name space, how does one make sure that a command they make does not conflict with another command from the 1000's of packages out there? I always wondered about this. Since everything seems to be global in Latex
I mean, can one have a package in Latex and have commands inside the package? Like \mypkg\boo{} and \mypkg\foo1{} etc..
 
 
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6:21 AM
I'm looking for a way to produce the i in the following picture:
@Nasser See the following post:
3
Q: Do any of the LaTeX variants support namespaces?

JonathanThe scenario is that I'm writing a book and it looks like I'm going to need to do some munging as the document class Memoir has some wonderful features but Octavio has the presentation. Now, one of the things that really bugs me with LaTeX is that they use a global namespace, which means they in...

 
@Werner , I see thanks! So no name space. Amazing how it works then, with all these thousands and thousands of packages and command, no two seem to clash. It is all like magic to me :) I wonder if there is a way to search CTAN for a command name then. For example, suppose I want to write a package, how does one find out if the command, say \loadFile is not used by anything else?
 
@Nasser There are compatibility issues between certain packages, and this is all established (and allows some relationship to exist) through load order...
...or perhaps pure avoidance. The approach used by package authors is to stick to their own namespace internally (as an example, see the xkeyval package which uses XKV@ for macro definitions, while keyval uses KV@), and hope that there's no similar commands for the user interface.
Since there's no other way around it, consider the naming of user interface macros carefully.
 
6:48 AM
Wow, first answer on another SE site and immediately Nice Answer :)
@Werner I've seen it before and I'll find it, gimme a sec ;)
 
some article from mathjax autrhor boolesrings.org/krautzberger/2013/05/29/…
 
7:06 AM
@Werner {mathbbol} has sans-serif \mathbb{i} and {bbm} has serif but rasterized \mathbbm{i}, now which is worse :-/
 
7:31 AM
@HarishKumar Sure. I'm writing my own style and I want to be able to use the option showframe of the geometry package if the user specifies so in the style call options, i.e \usepackage[showframe]{mystyle}
 
Ahm
7:49 AM
Hello everybody. Could someone kindly help me with the question I posted at tex.stackexchange.com/q/116806/23594
 
8:04 AM
hi
@Ahm are you trying to say that you have a MWE ?
 
Ahm
@DominicMichaelis: Unfortunately, my document is large.
 
so if you cut of any of the \hypersetup options your error dissappers ?
 
Ahm
@DominicMichaelis I am going to try this.
 
@Ahm I didn't read a lot but your MWE seems extremely large, and the idea of a MWE is to cut EVERYTHING of that doesn't cause the mistake
 
Ahm
@DominicMichaelis MWE I provided is just to show how I am using things.
 
ach
8:09 AM
have you tried reproducing the problem using a simple document class with a bare preamble
to test if it's to do with the bibliography or the .bst style file ?
 
Ahm
@ach I am going to try what you suggested.
 
@Ahm I just try to help. you use a lot of commands I actually don't or only know a bit. Even though someone who actually wants to help you does have to read a lot of stuff. Maybe they don't have the time
 
Ahm
@DominicMichaelis sure. I will squeeze it a bit more.
@DominicMichaelis may I ask what would be the steps you take in order to debug back-referencing issue?
 
At very first I would check wheter it changes seomthing if I don't load hyperref or cleveref
 
@Ahm I think you need to provide a proper MWE
 
8:17 AM
Well at very first I would check the log and see if there is something I unterstand which could cause the problem
 
Ahm
@DavidCarlisle unfortunately MWE may not be helpful as the backrefecing problem is caused at citation number 50.
 
@Ahm you are confusing MWE with your full work. A Minimal working example is as short as possible. Is the problem really correlated to the number 50 ? so if you comment one out it goes to the new number 50 ?
 
@Ahm No that isn't how MWE work:-) Start with a copy of your document. Remove all bib entries except one good one and one bad one. remove every section of the document leaving just a couple of citations, Check after you remove each bit that the problem is still there then you should end up wth a one paragraph document with two citations, post that.
@Ahm ie follow the steps here: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/228/…
 
Ahm
thanks all, I am working on what you all kindly told me.
 
this is weird... working with standalone works fine but if I try including a pgfplot it tells me »Undefined controlsequence \end{axis}«
 
8:31 AM
@rico standalone defines only a single line maybe this cause the problem
 
@DominicMichaelis what do you mean by a single line?
 
standlone is a document which consists of a single line, you can't use a display math environment for example. Nor you can make a newline
 
@DominicMichaelis It works though. Compiling the main document works fine. I'm just not able to »preview« my graph
 
\include starts a new page doesn't it ?
@Rico could I see your standalone document ?
 
@DominicMichaelis using \includestandalone dosen't
\documentclass{standalone}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{lmodern}

\usepackage{pgfplots}
\usepackage{pgfplotstable}
\pgfplotsset{compat=1.3}% <-- moves axis labels near ticklabels

\begin{document}
	\begin{tikzpicture}
	\pgfplotsset{width=10cm,
		compat=1.3,
		%			every axis legend/.append style={
		%			at={(0.5,1.03)},
		%			anchor=south}}
		legend style={font=\footnotesize}}
	\begin{axis}[
	xlabel={Glukosekonzentration [\si{\gram\per\liter}]},
	ylabel={Absorption $[-]$},
 
8:39 AM
I guess you forgot a package there. (I don't know a lot about \includestandalone
 
@DominicMichaelis thought of this but can't imagine which one :D
 
Ahm
@DominicMichaelis I found the problem. When I separate \citep{ref1,ref2,ref3,ref4} to \citep{ref1}, \citep{ref2}, \citep{ref3}, \citep{ref4} the backreferencing start working properly. Could you tell me what could be the problem?
 
they have different page numbers ?
 
@DominicMichaelis found it, I missed the siunitx package so he wasn't able to display the axis :) thanks
 
Ahm
and Cited on page x comes at the end of the citation list with the correct page number.
 
8:44 AM
argh
das wollte ich gerade schreiben :D
 
isn't \iffalse supposed to comment any block of code?? look:

\begin{block}
\begin{center}
\textbf{\Large simulation}
\end{center}

\iffalse

\begin{tabular}{m{.1\textwidth}m{.1\textwidth}}
\if\texforht
\href{my_notes/mma_demos/index.htm}{\includegraphics{animation/pendulum/pendulum.gif}}
\fi
&
\href{my_notes/mma_demos/index.htm}{Mathematica CDF's}\newline
\href{my_notes/simulation/index.htm}{simulation notes}

\end{tabular}
\fi

\end{block}
I get synatx error :

./index.tex:34: Incomplete \iffalse; all text was ignored after line 28.
<inserted text>
\fi
l.34 &

?
I should put a screen shot. Code was reformated hard to read.
 
Oh english here :D sry
 
If I delete all the code between \iffalse and \fi then it compiles Ok !
This means Latex is reading what is inside \iffalse and the \fi , right?
 
@Nasser well if -fi have to match, it is not really a comment it is like \@gobble a command that when executed expands to nothing (\if\textfont looks almost certainly wrong by the way)
 
ach
I have to say TeX has some awesome macro names
\@gobble, \relax, etc.
 
8:55 AM
@ach @gobble is a latex macro just defined by \def \relax is a built in primitive.
 
ach
@DavidCarlisle indeed, I wasn't being that specific
 
@Nasser if you paste in multiline text a "fixed width font" button appears
@ach you can be casual about cricket here, but you need to be precise when talking about TeX:-)
 
Ahm
@DavidCarlisle I provided a MWE which beautifully shows the problem.
 
@Ahm OK will look....
 
ach
@DavidCarlisle hmm, even when expressing my opinion !?
 
8:58 AM
@ach of course :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I am sorry that I am not following you. You are too advanced for me to follow. I simply wanted to comment out a block of code, like with C++ /* */ but I guess this is not how \iffalse works. So I need to learn more about it ;)
 
ach
Maybe if I prepend my comment with \sloppy
 
@Nasser iffalse is not like /* */. it is like if{false) {....} so it is executed but does nothing, but the stuff inside has to be syntactically correct
 
@Nasser \iffalse...\fi should be able to work like that
 
on a separate topic. Latex can be very powerful for layout. Many packages for this. The problem is, when I convert to HTML using htlatex, few things do not show in the same layout. So this is a problem really. a big problem. I spend lots of time fighting with htlatex to make generate the HTML in similar way in the PDF file, but it is a lost battle.
A simple example is this question I posted few days ago tex.stackexchange.com/questions/114732/… all what I wanted is to have text align with an image in a table. Impossible to do with htlatex>HTML. Easy with Latex.
sometimes I feel I am the only person in the world who uses Latex to make web pages with :)
 
9:11 AM
@Nasser you only have to provide right configurations to tex4ht
but tables are one of the hardest things to configure
 
@Nasser tex4ht is very far from being perfect. In general, every package that modifies the layout has to be re-implemented for this system
 
@michal.h21, I know. I spend lots of time adding \Css , my htlatex config file is very large now. I just updated my web site, all in Latex+htlatex. But it is so hard since one is going though one extra layer to reach HTML from Latex. It is much easier to do things directly in HTML ofcourse, but then I lose the ability to have original latex source.
 
@Werner I think it's lowercase blackboard bold - see tex.stackexchange.com/a/116418/25356
 
As an example, I spend 3 hrs trying to find out why something is coming out centered in the HTML page, when it is not in the PDF, and I gave up. Could not figure where it is was being set.
But even with all of this, I'd rather do it this way. I get nice table of contents, and many other things, which is hard to do with HTML. Although I read that there is software now that makes automatic table of contents from web pages. I did not look much into it.
 
@tohecz of course, this is because tex4ht only converts nodes in dvi code and it knows nothing about layout. also tex4ht is more concerning logical layout, than exact appeara
@Nasser you can link to external css files
 
9:21 AM
@michal.h21, please check my just updated site, let me know how it looks to you since it was done in htlatex. 12000.org I used \Css to make those box shadows. Should work ok on all browsers
 
and also move your commands and definitions to sty file and tex4ht configurations to 4ht file
 
@michal.h21 I know
 
@Nasser I am now working on build system for tex4ht to solve this problem:
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Q: How to send output of htlatex to different folder without fixing all image links afterwords

NasserThe setup is simple. I have a file report.tex which includes an image from a folder. I send the output of htlatex to a separate directory. htlatex copies all images and HTML to that directory. The problem though, now all the links in the HTML are broken, since the links are generated relative to...

 
does one of you use winedt?
 
your site looks great!
 
9:25 AM
it is all thanks to htlatex ofcourse. I used to use latex2html for long time, but gave up on it. So now I am switching to htlatex for everything.
@michal.h21 but you can see the few math fonts there on the page are colored pink? did you notice this? I have no idea why this is so. For some reason, math png images is colored pink on that page only. But may be pink colored math is not too bad :) I need to try to find out why sometime.
 
9:46 AM
@Nasser do you use custom te4ht.env file? there are parameters for dvi to image conversion, it doesn't convert dvi to pink by default
 
@michal.h21, no. I use default one.
But the math looks fine on other pages ! it is only this one page. thought it is a little strange.
I need to open the HTML file and the .css file used to find out. but The HTML generated code by htlatex is SO HARD TO READ !
 
@Nasser it is really strange. maybe try to use imagemagick to convert it from pink to black
@Nasser with my build system, you will be able to run tidy and xslt on all generated pages
 
Do you know of another way to go from latex to html other than using htlatex? That might produce better results? I do not know anything about your build system. do you have a link please?
 
@Nasser other systems tries to parse LaTeX and generate xml directly, which fails for anything except simple cases
 
@Nasser latexml is the other main contender (or the original and still maintained latex2html) (there are some questions on site discussing the differences between them)
 
9:54 AM
maybe latexml is interesting, but didn!t test it
@Nasser build system is in progress github.com/michal-h21/make4ht
 
@DavidCarlisle I do not think Latex2html is still maintained ! I am on the l2h mailing list, and there was no activity on it for months now. I used l2h for years myself.
 
not usable yet, but I use code from tex4ebook, where it works
 
@michal.h21 thanks, will look at it.
 
@DavidCarlisle could I have some xslt question?
@Nasser I will let you know when it will be in usable state
 
@Nasser maintained doesn't mean changes, latex itself goes for decades without change but it is still maintained (I haven't used ilatex2html myself for a while, it's true:-) there was I think a time when a reasonable fraction of the web was generated with latex2html:-)
@michal.h21 sure
 
9:59 AM
@DavidCarlisle is it possible with xslt to convert tags in form <p>Blah <b>w</b><b>o</b><b>r</b><b>d</b> other text</p> to <p>blah <b>word</b> other text</p>?
this is most annoying bug in tex4ht
 
10:17 AM
@michal.h21 yes (although don't mention the word "tag" in XSLT forums:-) more or less <xsl:template match="p"><xsl:for-each-group select="node() group-adjacent="self::b"><xsl:choose><xsl:when test="self::b"><b><xsl:apply-templates select="current-group()/node()"/></b><xsl:otherwise><xsl:apply-templates select="."/></xsl:otherwise></xsl:choose></xsl:template> (or of course just use sed -e "s@</b><b>@@g"
 
@DavidCarlisle thank you :) sed would be harder to use, because in fact these tags (or elements are better?:) are <span class="some class"> and it could be also <span class="a">a</span><span class="b">b</span> :(
 
@michal.h21 on tags/elements they are tags when you write them like this in linear syntax but xslt doesn't see that it only sees the parse tree generated as a tree of nodes (so one node/one element = two tags usually) This distinction shows up when people ask how to do what I suggested in sed (delete the tag pair </b><b>) but you simply can't phrase it that way in xslt you have to think of it as grouping child nodes of the parent p (which isn't always the way people think of it;-)
 
10:37 AM
@alexg I've expanded tex.stackexchange.com/a/20062 to cover the space business: hope this helps
 
11:08 AM
@JosephWright: I have already seen, thanks once more!
 
11:58 AM
how do you make the border of a pspolygon dashed?
 
12:17 PM
@CBenni It's a while since I used pstricks but linestyle=dashed ought to work I think
 
mmh I got it somehow
the picture was imported from geogebra
it used separate lines for the border, so I changed those
but thanks anyways
 
 
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1:41 PM
I need a very structured person to take a look at this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/116872/… :)
 
@MarioS.E. Do you use babel? You can use \shorthandon and "" for and/""or (or wherever you want your hyphenation point)
 
@MarioS.E. and\slash or; but I find "and/or" really useless, where a simple "or" suffices.
 
@egreg I agree most of the times or would do the trick... but in some particular occasion it's needed
@egreg I tried and\slash or but didn't work
@dıʞsdoʇ Yes, I'm using [english]{babel}
@dıʞsdoʇ \shorthandon is a command for babel? I'm sorry I didn't understand how to type it...
 
@MarioS.E. I try to make an answer
 
@MarioS.E. What do you mean "it didn't work"?
 
1:56 PM
@egreg I still get an overfull hbox
@egreg I don't get it if I set the hyphenation of "providers"
 
@MarioS.E. That's a completely different problem.
 
@egreg I'm sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. If I add the hyphenation, everything works OK. But why is it that babel is not aware of this? Shouldn't it be doing it automatically? The only thing "weird" is the fact that there is and and/or expression. I'm guessing there must be something related to it
 
Windows 8.1 will bring the Start button back.
 
@PauloCereda Was he ejected?
 
@MarcoDaniel Some back design decisions. :)
 
2:03 PM
@MarioS.E. Somehow, "provider" and "providers" slip through the hyphenation algorithm. It's not the only case: look at the ushyphex.tex file you should have on your TeX system. Curiously the words aren't in the list either.
 
@egreg Hmmmmmm I thought it was something to do with the and/or. I have seen some other overfull boxes when I use it
 
@MarioS.E. Can you change the question's title to better reflect the problem?
 
@egreg You have my full authorization to change it as you wish :)
 
2:17 PM
@egreg A little more to back your opinion of not using`and/or`: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And/or
 
2:35 PM
@MarioS.E. I added a note about "provider"
 
I'm tempted to close this question as TL, the question gives no information, neither the self-answer. Opinions?
0
A: Expand page to use full page height with fancyhdr

JonasDo not forget to replace [!htbp] by [!p] otherwise, it will get placed as a top float. Cheers!

 
@egreg Thanks! Could you please add how to look for the hyphenation patterns? I would accept the answer immediately
 
@MarioS.E. If TeX doesn't realize the hyphenation of a word, you can check the correct one at many online dictionaries like marriam-webster
to see the hyphenation points of a word or couple words, just use \showhyphens{and/or providers} -- it will show the hyphenation points in the log (both on-screen and in the log file)
 
@MarioS.E. Done
 
2:59 PM
@egreg Grazie. How do you search for the hyphenation exception list on CTAN?
 
@MarioS.E. hyphenex
 
@egreg Is there anyway to "suggest" and entry_
?
 
@MarioS.E. What do you mean? If I type hyphenex in the box at ctan.org I'm directed to ctan.org/pkg/hyphenex
 
@egreg Who do I have to write to in order to include "provider providers" in the next version?
 
@MarioS.E. Oh! The person in charge is barbara beeton
I'll try to ping her.
 
3:11 PM
@egreg Thanks!
 
3:27 PM
folks, I've been looking at HTML5+CSS3, and that with MathJax, and the ability to print webpages as PDF now build into browsers (like Chrom), I'd want to warn the Latex community to watch out. I think in few years time, things on the web will start to look just as good as Latex in paper.
They even have multicolumns pages now in HTML5 !
 
@tohecz IMHO the question is OK
 
@tohecz Thanks...
@JohnWickerson Thanks.
 
4:03 PM
@JosephWright is the error message in the following example to be expected?
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xparse}
\NewDocumentCommand\foo{om}{(#1,#2)}
\begin{document}

\foo[[or]{what?}

\end{document}
 
@cgnieder It is by me: not sure if that counts :-)
@cgnieder Your square braces are not balanced
 
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A: 2013, year of the TeX bugs report. Will pdfTeX, XeTeX, etc. be changed accordingly?

Heiko OberdiekMy dark guesses, freely adapted from Sybill Trelawney's divination lessons: 2013 Since the latest changes (3.1415926) were put into the main TeX engines (TeX, pdfTeX, LuaTeX, XeTeX) I would expect the same for changes of this year, because these engines are more or less maintained. 2020 Ch...

Gotta love this answer by Heiko. :)
 
@PauloCereda It has a bit of a morbid twist to it. After all, DEK is only 75.
 
@AlanMunn Indeed. Apart from that, it's quite an unusual prediction.
 
@JosephWright I know. I was just wondering. With \newcommand\foo[1][]{} it would be no problem. Seems to me the problem with brackets in optional arguments has not vanished with xparse but is only a different one... it's not the closing brackets it's unbalanced ones
 
4:19 PM
Hopefully I'll be able to start writing PaTeX/EnTeX/DuckTeX any day soon. :)
 
@cgnieder The idea is that the behaviour is as close as possible to that for { ... }, in that the pairs should match.
@cgnieder The feeling is/was that nested optional arguments are more likely than unbalanced ones, where \foo[{[or}] will work in any case
@cgnieder The reason we thought this was handy is that \foo[\baz[stuff]]{other-stuff} is not so unlikely
 
@JosephWright I just realized that it's mentioned in the documentation...
 
@cgnieder Of course, if you think we've got it wrong then do raise it on LaTeX-L
 
I should learn to read!
 
@cgnieder Code would be simpler without the matching stuff!
 
4:23 PM
@JosephWright I think it's reasonable. I was only surprised...
 
Linux Mint 15 is released, I'll try it in one of my laptops.
 
@JosephWright I can imagine :)
 
@PauloCereda Do you know any pen drive linux distro with texlive pkgs ?
 
user image
3
A nice palindrome.
 
@texenthusiast Sadly no.
 
4:33 PM
@PauloCereda Ok , I have a 4 GB usb drive just want to test around TL/linux.
 
@AlanMunn It's also coprime with 188682. :P
 
@texenthusiast Some Linux distros come with TeX and friends, but they are outdated.
 
@PauloCereda I am fine with old ones and i want to use it as live usb gparted/boot rescue
 
@JosephWright I've added lots of links to the UK-TUG training day on my website. You never know, it might attract some attention. :-)
 
@texenthusiast I can't think of any live distro with TL. :(
 
4:37 PM
@egreg I get to use 'anaphoric' and you get to use 'coprime' :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Cool
 
!!/answer coprime
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

relatively prime
A term describing integers that share no common positive divisors except 1.
Two integers are relatively prime if they share no common positive factors (divisors) except 1. Using the notation (m, n) to denote the greatest common divisor, two integers m and n are relatively prime if (m, n) = 1. Relatively prime integers are sometimes also called strangers or coprime and are denoted m(up tee)n. The plot above plots m and n along the two axes and colors a square black if (m, n) = 1 and white otherwise and simply colored according to (m,
 
!!/answer anaphoric
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

anaphoric  (English word)
adjective | relating to anaphora
 
@PauloCereda Where is Psmith getting this info from?
 
4:39 PM
!!/answer anaphora
 
@MarioS.E. my internet backup Wolfram Alpha. :)
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

anaphora  (English word)
1 | noun | using a pronoun or similar word instead of repeating a word used earlier
2 | noun | repetition of a word or phrase at the beginning of successive clauses
uhn'aferuh  (IPA: \:0259n\:02c8æf\:025d\:0259)
a-naph-o-ra  (8 letters  | 4 syllables)
anaphoras
epanaphora
repetition
(none among common words)
anaphoric
(none among common words)
anaphora.info  |  anaphora.biz
Rhetorical device like "this earth, this realm, this England"
!!/answer is 58685 coprime with 188682?
 
@NicolaTalbot Incase you wish to include github in ur website beginners and intermediate from earlier workshops
 
@PauloCereda Hahaha, nice. I remember I really used to use it around 2008. Lately some friends told me it had gone to the "dark side" of not-gratis
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

CoprimeQ[58685, 188682]
58685 and 188682 are coprime
58685 = 5×11^2×97  (4 prime factors, 3 distinct)
188682 = 2×3×13×41×59  (5 distinct prime factors)
@MarioS.E. :)
!!/eightball Do you know what an anaphora is?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: nope.
 
@PauloCereda What an awful choice for hyphenation. But maybe I don't understand English hyphenation rules.
 
4:42 PM
@AlanMunn I think Wolfram is probably wrong. :)
!!/eightball Do you know how to hyphenate words properly, Psmith?
 
@PauloCereda "an anaphora" is a grammatical error.
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: reply hazy, try again.
@AlanMunn Oh. :)
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 290 vs. 230 David. So far, egreg is winning.
 
@PauloCereda I don't know, because my Mac's OED puts • in the same place, which I assume are the supposed hyphenation points.
 
? Mod(188682, 58685)
%1 = Mod(12627, 58685)
? Mod(58685,12627)
%2 = Mod(8177, 12627)
? Mod(12627,8177)
%3 = Mod(4450, 8177)
? Mod(8177,4450)
%4 = Mod(3727, 4450)
? Mod(4450,3727)
%5 = Mod(723, 3727)
? Mod(3727,723)
%6 = Mod(112, 723)
? Mod(723,112)
%7 = Mod(51, 112)
? Mod(112,51)
%8 = Mod(10, 51)
? Mod(51,10)
%9 = Mod(1, 10)
? Mod(10,1)
%10 = Mod(0, 1)
 
@AlanMunn I never really understood the hyphenation patterns, at least I think our patterns are way easier. :)
 
4:49 PM
@PauloCereda I think they're some combination of syllable structure and etymology. But the one given obeys neither.
 
? bezout(188682, 58685)
%11 = [5763, -18529, 1]
? 5763*188682-18529*58685
%12 = 1
 
@egreg: another golden badge!
 
@PauloCereda Yes, nice!
 
5:07 PM
@AlanMunn there's a spurious comma there :p
@PauloCereda who? where? open the bottles!!!
 
@tohecz egreg won a Populist badge. :)
 
@PauloCereda what a nasty guy /raises finger/
 
@PauloCereda Second of the kind. :)
And I'm -8 from the second "great answer" badge
 
@egreg you mean the second gold badge today ?
 
@DominicMichaelis No; I've only 13. :) Two days ago I got the 92nd upvote on an answer of mine.
@DominicMichaelis Another nice stay in Math.SE; I stated that the function f(x)=0 for -1<x<1 and f(x)=e^x for 2<x<3 has f'(x)=f(x) and f(0)=0, but it's not constant. Someone observed that this function is not continuous, let alone differentiable. :( The answer got 10 upvotes and 1 downvote (I've no doubt by whom).
 
5:28 PM
It is continuous and differentiable ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Well, tell me where it's not continous.
 
I know. The questionmark was because I don't unterstand the downvote
 
@DominicMichaelis I asked the same thing to the downvoter, no reaction.
 
In fact you can even make a funktion $\overline{f}$ such that $\overline{f} \in C^\infty(\mathbb{R})$ and $\overline{f}=f$ everywhere where $f$ ist defined
 
@DominicMichaelis By the way a similarly stated question as the one I answered was posed for the high school state exams some years ago. The questioner expected the students to say that the solution is unique; of course it isn't if you don't specify in advance the domain of the function. :(
 
5:38 PM
on $\mathbb{Q}$ this one really gets tough :D
A function always dave have a domain and a codomain
if they aren't stated it isn't a functin
 
@DominicMichaelis Tell it to the writers of state exam questions. :( Once they asked to prove that f(x)=arctan x + arctan(1/x) is constant. ;-)
 
well an equation doesn't change, and something that doesn't change is pretty constant :D
 
@DominicMichaelis Well, there's a good habit that a function given by a formula has the domain "everything where the formula works"
 
@tohecz The problem is when the formula is not given (as in the f(x)=f'(x) question I mentioned).
 
and the statement is just plain wrong
the function is locally constant
but not global
 
5:51 PM
@egreg yeah I know
 
@JosephWright: Do you know this bug:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xparse}
\newcommand*\AnweisungAlt[2][]{Argument: \textbf{#1} -- !#2!}
\NewDocumentCommand\AnweisungNeu{O{} m }{Argument: \textbf{#1} -- !#2!}
\begin{document}
\AnweisungAlt[[Argument mit eckigen Klammern]]{foobar}

\AnweisungNeu[[Argument mit eckigen Klammern]]{foobar}

%\AnweisungNeu[[Argument mit eckigen Klammern]{foobar}%Fails

\AnweisungAlt[[Argument mit eckigen Klammern]{foobar}
\end{document}
 
and btw, some people use "derivative in medio" and then you have even "more options" for functions having f'(x)=f(x)
 
@egreg the statement is wrong anyway? because of ArcTan is an odd function, hence $f(x)=-f(-x)$ and as arctan is not 0 everywhere this statement can't be true
To be more precise as $\arctan(x) + \arctan\big(\frac{1}{x}\big)$ is not zero everywhere
in fact it is $f(1)=\frac{\pi}{2}$ but $f(-1)=-\frac{\pi}{2}$
 
@egreg Hehe, it looks like I gave you a golden badge an hour ago :-). You're welcome!
 
@MarcoDaniel The document is written in German. :)
Das Bug! :)
 
6:02 PM
@MarcoDaniel it's a feature
@MarcoDaniel latex2e [] arguments end at the first ] so nested use of [] has to be protected by {..} l3 [] arguments match [] so nested [] work automatically but unmatched [ has to be protected by {[} You can't win them all.....
@JohnWickerson can I have one too?
 
@DavidCarlisle Hehe, I don't see why not. All it takes is for me to write a question, you to answer it, me to accept a different answer, and you get a gold star for your efforts! :-)
 
@JohnWickerson ask something about tikz, then it's highly unlikely you accept one of my answers:-)
 
@texenthusiast I'm just wondering if there's a canonical link on the UK-TUG site that would be better.
 
@JohnWickerson Thanks!
@DominicMichaelis You wouldn't have passed the exam. ;-)
 
oh i need to train double think
 
6:14 PM
@DavidCarlisle Not a fan of TikZ?
 
@egreg lol that guy that used wronskian on this ...
 
@JohnWickerson @DavidCarlisle is old school and uses picture mode for everything. Perhaps on a VT100 terminal, too; we're not sure about that.
 
@DominicMichaelis The atomic bomb to kill a mosquito.
@AlanMunn But in the Tektronik secondary screen.
 
@egreg Of course.
s/nik/nix/
 
@egreg Even though a very unconvenient way. If I nuke it I had use local lipschitz
 
6:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the explanation.
@PauloCereda Yes. I provided the example for a German site ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel not for a German site. For THE German site ;)
 
@DominicMichaelis :-)
 
7:03 PM
Jan 2 at 16:46, by David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha The new years resolution is to get a tikz gold badge by answering tikz question with tex primitives, picture mode, or if really pushed pstricks, doing quite well so far this year.
 
7:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle: Now I feel like I would copy your wording if I write up an answer.
I think I'm going to do that, since "writing words take time", and I want to avoid that.
...I'm just trying to follow your example.
 
I think this is now officially too localized.
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Q: \footfullcite does NOT give the full citation (biblatex, beamer)

Ulrike S.As the title says, the command \footfullcite{test} does not give the full citation, but only the label "test", "test1" and "test2", respectively. I'm using biblatex and the beamer class (downloaded yesterday, so hopefully the newest versions). Any ideas? :( Code: \documentclass{beamer} \usepa...

 
@DavidCarlisle Should this issue mention in the documentation?
 
@DavidCarlisle: The kernel defines \arrayrulewidth...
 
7:49 PM
@Werner yes sure the rules have width but the default tabular implementation backspaces them so they don't increase the column sep
 
But when you load array it doesn't backspace them? I don't know...
 
@MarcoDaniel it probably is documented somewhere (havent looked for a long time:-) blame @JosephWright if not:-)
@Werner yes
 
@DavidCarlisle ;-)
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright is the scapegoat
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, I'll update...
 
@Werner it was to save memory :-)
% \begin{macro}{\@arrayrule}
%    There is only one incompatibility with the original definition:
%    the definition of =\@arrayrule=. In the original a line without
%    width\footnote{So the space between \texttt{cc} and \texttt{c|c}
%    is equal.}  is created by multiple insertions of
% =\hskip .5\arrayrulewidth=.
%    We only insert a vertical line into the
%    preamble.  This is done to prevent problems with \TeX's main
%    memory when generating tables with many vertical lines in them
 
7:53 PM
@DavidCarlisle Holy! Things must have been really tough back in the day...
 
@DavidCarlisle Just think, if you hadn't done that there would have been a built-in disincentive for vertical lines in tables. :)
 
@AlanMunn 'twas Frank not me:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle There you go blaming Frank again...
 
@AlanMunn You can't deny that it says %% Copyright (C) 1989-1998 Frank Mittelbach, all rights reserved.
 
8:07 PM
@MarcoDaniel Exactly what @cgnieder asked about earlier!
 
@JosephWright At the mailing list?
 
4 hours ago, by cgnieder
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xparse}
\NewDocumentCommand\foo{om}{(#1,#2)}
\begin{document}

\foo[[or]{what?}

\end{document}
 
@JosephWright LOL
 
8:22 PM
@MarcoDaniel As I said earlier, if people think we've got stuff wrong they can always raise it on LaTeX-L
 
@MarcoDaniel can mdframed make boxes with rounded corners on one side? (without too much hacking internals)
 
8:38 PM
@Werner I removed amsmath and just used mathtools in one of my documents but the file wouldn't compile without errors unless I had both. I was under the impression from reading the links you gave me that mathtools superseded amsmath since it offered improvements not found in it.
 
@dustin It adds some functionality to it and fixes some stuff. The line \RequirePackage{amsmath}[2000/07/18] (line 2577) inside mathtools.dtx leads me to believe that you're doing something else as well.
 
@Werner I don't know what that may be but I use a lot of complex equations and symbols since I work in orbital mechanics. For some reason or another, I need both packages.
 
@dustin ...sure.
 
@Werner my document wont compile correctly without it. I just looked at your blog. You practice Shotokan? I started that last year.
 
@dustin That's actually my wife. :-|
 
8:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle a little bit is necessary ;-)
 
@Werner Same family so close enough.
 
She did that for a number of years and then quit for a while (before I met her) and then started up again (after I met her). Perhaps she felt the need to get rid of some frustration after meeting me. :)
She is a Shodan now, but the road after that is a long one.
@dustin So what belt are you?
 
@MarcoDaniel well given that it was in an answer where I was modifying multicol internals, a bit of hacking is OK:-) (actually I was getting errors from mdframed anyway as it seemed to want to be in vertical mode which is a shame as I wanted to replace \fcolorbox in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/116809/shaded-multicols-ii
 
@texenthusiast Thanks.
 
@NicolaTalbot You are welcome madam :)
 
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