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ach
12:00 AM
:q!
 
Windows technique: Locate the X in red rectangle and slam it with left click ;-)
I should learn to use biber, makeindex/xindy etc separately and with latexmk and with arara in emacs. Next step.
 
@HarishKumar that might not kill it though in the case above, it would kill the ssh connection to the other machine (I don't have vim) so it might just leave a rogue editor session running or it might not (who knows what vim will do:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle That is a possibility. Vim squeezes energy in some of things for a beginner like me ;-)
 
ach
vim vs. emacs is a religious debate, I shall not go near it !
 
@ach But both have lot of good things except that initial curves. I am attracted to both. Hence this attempt to learn using them. I say one shouldn't compare them.
@DavidCarlisle Encouraging words:
This tutorial is meant to be understandable to all new users, so if
you found something unclear, don't sit and blame yourself - complain!
 
 
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kan
2:08 AM
@egreg $\gamma'$ looks terrible here (in terms of spacing between gamma and the prime! Should I not use them?
 
2:43 AM
 
kan
wow! Tikz?
 
@kan Yes, but not on purpose.
 
kan
@Qrrbrbirlbel A slightly improved version can be used to depict hairy ball.
 
3:38 AM
Does anyone know what the code tag is supposed to be about? Just encoutnered it on a question I was editing, and it seems to me everything on TeX>SX is about code...
@Qrrbrbirlbel Nice!
@DavidCarlisle Why :wq ? I expected you to promote :q! :)
 
 
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4:51 AM
urgh, the documentation to enumitem-zref is cryptic :-/
 
 
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7:17 AM
I'm travelling to São Paulo right now, so you guys behave while I'm gone. :) Cheerio! :)
 
@PauloCereda Take care
 
7:32 AM
@Xavier as I said :wq is the only command I know:-)
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez FC is not really into writing documentation.
 
well
I could not make out what the package does, what the syntax is, nor if it would help me do what I wanted to do
someone who does know all that might help him :P
I could not even figure out what the meaning of the colors in which commands are written is :-)
 
7:56 AM
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Try looking at the manual of tabu; be warned, though, and don't have children around.
 
From page 5: «Let’s begin in colors !» :-)
 
 
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ach
9:52 AM
@egreg Thanks for this -> profs.scienze.univr.it/~gregorio/introxelatex.pdf , it told me a lot of things that other guides took for granted / obvious
 
 
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11:02 AM
I have a problem with showing the year in the bibliography using biblatex and biber, anyone here can have a look and help?
 
@doctorate Minimal example?
 
yea, wait
\documentclass[oneside]{scrbook} % you can use {scrreprt} alternatively, you can add toc=graduated, or paraskip change space between paragraphs
\usepackage[none]{hyphenat}% prevent hyphenation or line breakups
\usepackage{layouts} % to show the layout of the document there is {layouts} with %=====================Language, Fonts============================
\usepackage[ngerman,english]{babel} %last language is the current
\selectlanguage{english}
\usepackage{courier,mathptmx,amsmath,amsfonts,amssymb} %fonts
.bib file contains:
@book{kennedy_pcr_2011,
title = {{PCR} Troubleshooting and Optimization: The Essential Guide},
isbn = {9781904455721},
shorttitle = {{PCR} Troubleshooting and Optimization},
language = {en},
pagetotal = {245},
publisher = {Horizon Scientific Press},
author = {Kennedy, Suzanne},
date = {2011-01-01},
keywords = {{PCR} troubleshooting, Polymerase Chain Reaction, {qPCR}, Science / Chemistry / General, Science / Life Sciences / Genetics \& Genomics}
}
@article{akira_role_2000,
title = {The role of {IL-18} in innate immunity},
 
@ach Always happy to help. Today I'm busy in cleaning up the office; some work has to be done to the ceiling in the week end. :(
 
ach
TeX programming notes were also useful, if I'd looked there yesterday I'd have saved myself wondering why \AA was munching the following spaces
 
@JosephWright see in bib upload pic, number 3 has no year, whereas 2 has a year, and 1 while it is a book it has a year but not bold this time, i want to be consistent, how?
 
11:28 AM
@JosephWright, please change the file path in the tex file for the bibliography
 
Now the author of tcolorbox is part of your community ;-) tex.stackexchange.com/users/30617/thomas-f-sturm
 
ach
@doctorate perhaps biblatex cannot parse 'Feb 2000' properly ?
 
wait let me see another example in my refereneces
@ach, try to omit Feb, and see, the same problem with me
 
ach
as for non-bold years in book, I assume that's how it is defined in the style, you should be able to customize that as \DeclareFieldFormat[date]{volume}{\textbf{#1}} (or something along those lines.
 
@ach you are right, about the parsing of Feb 2000, I removed it and it worked!
 
ach
11:38 AM
ah what I wrote above is not correct by the way
 
i exported the .bib from Zotero using the biblatex translator github.com/andersjohansson/zotero-biblatex-translator
what would be the best way to fix that, from biblatex translator or from biblatext package?
 
ach
it ought to be something like \DeclareFieldFormat[book]{volume}{\textbf{#1}}
@doctorate fix what, Feb 2000 ?
 
yep
 
ach
over all references ?
 
ye
my references are inconsistent by this field "date =" in the .bib file as they were exported from Zotero
 
ach
11:42 AM
How many references do you have ?
 
some {2000}, some {Feb 2000}, some {01/02/2000}
500
 
ach
Hmm I don't know, I thought biblatex could handle those, but I do not know enough about it and your .tex has a lot of customization. You might want to post this as an actual question, you'll get better answers, probably
you could also simply try to use a regular expression to fix all of those refs
 
yea regex is a good idea
@ach one more question, some names in the bibliography, I want them to be italics they are species names
how to italicize specifically those names after typsetting the document
 
ach
you probably want to \textit{species name} then
 
that's clear, but where do you write it in the .bib file?
 
ach
11:52 AM
I assume the species names are in the title ?
*titles
so you'd write title = { This book deals with the \textit{Lynx} genus} etc.
that would be my idea
 
thanks, i will try it
yeah it works, great thanks alot
 
12:10 PM
@doctorate Hello?
 
Hi
How do you do?
@NicolaTalbot I had a question to you
 
@doctorate Okay. What is it?
 
about indexing, but the food is now served, they call me, I will get back to you soon, if you stay around otherwise, i don't now how to reach you later
 
@doctorate I'll hang around for a while, but if you can't catch me, there are others around here who can help with indexing.
 
12:31 PM
@NicolaTalbot, Hi again, it is about datatool
 
@doctorate Okay. What's up?
 
it has the teh datagidx
i read your two great books, for novice and for PhD
I am in favor of datagidx now, instead of other packages
but I read that it should be new version
of datatool,
i don't have it in the MikeTex distribution, win7
so this menas I have to install the recent datatool
and I couldn't do that
it seems that I have a general installation problem for MikeTex packages
i read about installation but all fails and I have always error installing it
 
I don't use MikTeX, so I don't know why it's not installing. Have you tried a manual install using the datatool.tds.zip file from ctan?
(As opposed to datatool.zip)
 
thanks, I went throug this but failed
i get error,
anyway,
what do you think advantage of datagidx over makeidx, in general?
@NicolaTalbot, who are the users who shifted from makedix to datagidx?
@NicolaTalbot, can you let the recent package in the mikeTex distribution?
 
@doctorate There are advantages and disadvantages. With datagidx you don't need to worry about using makeindex or xindy, so it's one less step in the document compilation process and is useful if don't have shell-escape and find it difficult running makeindex or xindy. However, the datatool` sorting is based on English sort order. So is makeindex, but xindy is best for non-English languages. datagidx also takes longer to compile the document.
@doctorate I don't have any control over that. You'd need to contact the MikTeX people.
@doctorate I don't know :-)
 
12:47 PM
Hmm, its clear. are there any conditions for the recent datatool package that need to be met?
another question, about bibliography,
 
@doctorate What kind of conditions?
 
i mean the MikeTex people, do they require things for a package to be update their enormous list? or just upon request from a user like me?
 
@doctorate I assume they pick up the package changes from the ctan announcement list.
 
i see. another question, how can one add clickable titles in the bibliogrpahy that will directly open the corresponding PDF file, given they are in Zotero library (citation manager)
 
@doctorate I'm sorry, I've never used zotero.
 
12:52 PM
what software you use for this task?
 
@doctorate I usually just write the bib files in vim. I've used JabRef a bit just to find out about it for my tutorials, as I thought it would be a good idea to have information about a GUI, but I don't use it for my documents.
 
I see. this is reasonable of course if you have few references, but if they are 250+, Jabref would do a better job.
You book about PhD was really helpful, to give me general directions, but you avoided to delve into the details, leaving this task to the reader, are you writing something similar but with more details.
 
@doctorate Yes, it would. I tend not to have many references, as I don't usually write documents that require large bibliographies.
@doctorate What kind of details? It's difficult to know how much to cover. I've learnt from comments about my package documentation that beginners tend to get put off by too much detail in one go, so I wanted to write something that would help students get started and have the confidence to find out more from the manuals.
 
I agree, it is a difficult task to know how much details, but for me details are important and I always ask for more details, some people don't like too much details so it is like what you want. I felt safe, when compiled all chapters at the beginning and get encouraged, indeed.
so thanks for your time and have a nice day.
 
@doctorate I'm glad you found the books useful. :-)
Bye.
 
1:07 PM
@NicolaTalbot thanks again, bye
 
 
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2:29 PM
@MarcoDaniel how do I do what?
 
@DavidCarlisle How can I disable the recalculation of the shrink part?
 
@MarcoDaniel don't unbox the box
 
@DavidCarlisle But without unbox I can't remove skips ;-)
 
2:45 PM
@MarcoDaniel well you can save the box height depth, unbox it box it again and measure the new height depth if it is smaller, keep it if it is bigger keep the original or rebox it using vbox to ... to force the original height
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. This is an answer ;-)
 
3:04 PM
@DavidCarlisle Picture mode?
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Q: Can I make an arrow of length x in latex?

ReinderI was making a quick graph in TexStudio, but I founnd I can not make an arrow of a length X. The only way I found to do what I want is this: Minimum length for \xrightarrow In my opinion this is a workaround and it probably can be done neater/faster with a package of sort. EDIT: The reason the...

 
@egreg David uses l3tikz.
 
@egreg \leaders :-)
 
 
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@BrunoLeFloch Hello
 
Frank wrote a documentation error in the TeXbook (page 44) -- OH
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A: Format a verbatim paragraph

Frank MittelbachDavid did beat me by a couple of minutes, but this version here does indentation as requested and is not producing overfull lines (within reason): \documentclass{article} \makeatletter % this defines myverbatim environment. to change name replace "myverbatim" in all places below (strctly speai...

 
5:45 PM
@MarcoDaniel he just wants another cheque for his collection
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
Today is voting day in British Columbia. @DavidCarlisle: Why don't you do the same with some of the posts you read? :) #votelikepaulo
 
@Werner Hey I've been voting a lot more recently.
 
Anyone use endiagram? I'm getting an undefined control seq. error and its linked to the .sty file.
 
paolo does have unlimited upvotes doesn't he ?
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6:00 PM
@DavidCarlisle Noice! :) I've been a NAG(!) before... so every now and again I try to keep up that reputation.
 
@Werner I suppose 37 votes for the month so far isn't quite up to Paulo's standard, but still...
 
@David if it is the first maybe :)
 
6:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle Hilarious!
 
7:13 PM
What do you think about the usage of "fucking" in the following question? Do we want this here?
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Q: Not allowing hyphenation of urls in references

mrkvaIs there a way to globally turn off hyphenation of links in bibliography? Current state doesn't please me:

 
@Kurt I think if it was a smart joke I would leave it but this is just frustration so I lean towards taking some action.
but it seems that it's the page content so we might just ignore it
it's similar to brainfuck it seems
 
@percusse okay. I see.
 
7:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle I have 542 for the month.
 
@egreg Another !!/battle advantage.
 
@Werner This is much easier.
 
@egreg obviously as you are winning in that one (unlike the other:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Just trailing by 15. What about yesterday? :P
 
@PauloCereda: How about adding some voting statistics to !!/battle?
 
8:20 PM
@egreg yesterday gone and forgotten
 
ach
8:52 PM
biblatex is very powerful but there are so many different layers and ways which can be used to change the formatting that it is very hard to track faulty formatting down !
 
A quick question before I begin digging into this deeper – does anyone know off the top of their head why my bibliography entry looks like this (backticks and single quotes instead of formatted quotes, -- instead of en dash):
I'm using the IEEEtran style with a custom class
I don't have any bibliography specific settings/modifications in my class. Here's the packages loaded thus far:
\RequirePackage{graphicx,ifthen,hyperref,enumerate,fancyhdr,amsmath,amssymb,amsthm,multicol,fontspec,caption,cite}
(and geometry, xcolor and tcolorbox elsewhere as well)
 
ach
@rm-rf looks like you don't have TeX-ligatures enabled
as the quotation marks are also broken
maybe you forgot to enable it in XeTeX ?
 
@rm-rf You are using BibTeX?
 
9:07 PM
@ach well, I do have \defaultfontfeatures{Ligatures=TeX}... do I need to add anything more?
@mafp Yes
 
@rm-rf How does the entry look like?
 
@article{BenjaminiHochberg1995,
	author  = {Y. Benjamini and Y. Hochberg},
	journal = {J. Royal Stat. Soc., Series B (Methodological)},
	title   = {Controlling the false discovery rate: a practical and powerful approach to multiple testing},
	volume  = {57},
	number  = {1},
	pages   = {289--300},
	year    = {1995},
}
 
ach
@rm-rf and the ligatures work in your body text (-- turns into en-dash etc.) ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yo have a very bad memory, don't you?
 
@ach Huh... good call. Text ligatures work, but not dashes and quotes:
Adding Common doesn't seem to help...
 
9:14 PM
@rm-rf Are you sure that \defaultfontfeatures{Ligatures=TeX} precedes \setmainfont?
 
ach
ah a real XeTeX user at last :) I only read the manual, not used XeTeX :0
 
@egreg bingo! Thanks :)
I had it the line after...
 
ach
the devil lies in the details
 
9:31 PM
@ach I only wrote the small guide, not tried it. ;-)
@ach Actually I'm using XeLaTeX quite frequently.
 
ach
hmm, those two statements appear at odds with each other
you use it frequently - thus you have indeed tried it ?
 
@ach The first statement was a joke.
 
@egreg we get better jokes when Psmith is here :(
 
Can anyone check to see if the endiagram package works for them? I get an error everytime I compile, even with a mwe.
 
ach
@egreg The internet is notoriously bad at conveying subtle tones, so I sadly did not see the joke for what it was. At any rate, my current project is in pdfTeX and I fear changing and breaking things :)
 
9:38 PM
@ach fear leads to hate, hate leads ..... you know that thing and lastly it leads to word
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Q: Frequently loaded packages: Differences between pdfLaTeX and XeLaTeX

lockstepUntil now, I have been compiling my LaTeX documents with pdfLaTeX. My standard document preamble includes the "usual suspects" for non-English speakers (inputenc, fontenc, babel) and a bunch of other packages. Assuming I were to convert to XeLaTeX, what modifications of my preamble are advisable?...

 
ach
XeTeX doesn't have full microtype support
 
@ach The other way around
 
ach
indeed
and yet, the same result
 
Using arbitrary system fonts makes it difficult to get precise measurements for kerning etc. that microtype takes advantage of. It's a major obstacle. And not every font bothers to have every kind of font metrics available.
 
ach
of course
fortunately I am using txfonts for which decent kerning info etc. is available
 
9:45 PM
There are other engine related difficulties too but I don't know much about xdvi
 
ach
at any rate I somewhat agree with those that say those sorts of information is best left in the font itself, in kerning pairs and the like. However, I have nothing to gain from XeLaTeX as I am sticking to the txfonts (I already have figures with consistent captions ...)
I just didn't find out about xelatex until too late
but next time
I will take the opportunity to try out a different font like STIX or a tex gyre font
 
@ach They are also available for PDFLaTeX usage via \usepackage{tgpagella}\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
 
ach
yeah that's not the problem, the problem is that I have a lot of premade figures which use txfonts and I do not have time to switch them all back
 
Well I'm a TikZer so that's not an issue for me
 
ach
While I think taking data plots and turning them into TikZ statments would be fun it would also be a huge waste of time
 
9:55 PM
@ach You should give pgfplots a go then. I don't have any stupid matlab figures any more and they involve 2500 data points each in some places.
 
ach
@percusse Interesting, but it seems that using pgfplots would be more a case of 'because I can'
 
@ach might be for you. It was a life saver for me.
 
ach
how so
 
@ach I hate matlab, it's difficult to arrange fonts labels legends with others everytime i change things a little, I already have the data so no need to introduce external software into my workflow
 
ach
ah well that sounds like a very sensible use-case
 
10:03 PM
and I have too many plots
 
ach
in my case I process all my data in Origin and produce graphs and figures directly in .pdf as a result.
 
For those following reality TV shows like Kitchen Nightmares, here's the daily gossip: buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/…
 
@ach I'm really annoyed by Times, to tell you the truth. I recalls to my memory the Chinese all dressed with the same jacket.
 
ach
Well I am really annoyed by body text in Computer Modern
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Ola Mariano!
@ach There are many other possibilities.
 
ach
10:08 PM
Well, if I knew as much now as I did when I started writing ...
but honestly, how many good-looking, fully featured fonts are actually freely available ?
 
@egreg Hello! :-)
 
@ach Several; are you doing math?
 
ach
Luckily, not that much (scientist, not mathematician)
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I've seen your last question; not easy, I'd say.
 
10:20 PM
@ach If you don't need math, you're overwhelmed by the possible choices already in TeX Live (or MiKTeX). tug.dk/FontCatalogue
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Do you also need to number the equations or formulas?
 
ideally yes
because I refer to specific steps in the explanations
I was surprised when I realized I had never see this done
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Maybe a rough example of what you have in mind can help. Can you add it to your question?
Possibly a flalign could do.
 
10:39 PM
Buonanotte! :)
 
@PauloCereda Welcome back! How was in São Paulo?
 
@egreg Thanks! :) Surprisingly, it was a lovely day! A big happy sun in the sky, no traffic issues, lots of people in the university, a nice coffee, a great meal and some good news. :)
Did you guys behave? :)
 
@PauloCereda they are forecasting snow in the UK tonight :(
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh no! :
@DavidCarlisle: BTW expect an email from me, there's something I need to tell you from today's adventure in São Paulo. :)
 
@PauloCereda ooh the suspense......
@PauloCereda Did you bring your friend with you?
!!/answer weather in Oxford, UK
 
10:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle Our forecasts are for rain for the whole week end.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah wait a minute. :)
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good night! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
 
!!/answer weather in Oxford, UK
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

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conditions | cloudy
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@PauloCereda Wow! A mild winter they have.
 
@egreg yes not exactly May weather:-)
 
10:49 PM
!!/answer weather in Padova, Italy
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

weather | Padova, Italy
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relative humidity | 77%  (dew point: 9 °C)
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between 13 °C and 16 °C
clear (night to late night  |  very early morning to early morning)  |  few clouds (late night to very early morning  |  early morning onward)
between 14 °C and 23 °C
few clouds (early morning to late afternoon)  |  clear (late afternoon onward)
 
@PauloCereda A bit better.
 
@egreg :)
 
@egreg flalign with the second column somehow made fixed width, so that setting the & so that its contents end up left alligned would do. I considered that but it pained me :-)
putting fixed width boxers with the content inside, say
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez That was my idea.
 
10:59 PM
is there a way to have the contents of a column be processed somehow?
à la array.sty's >{}
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Not without heavily changing align or flalign, I'm afraid. Maybe IEEEeqnarray from IEEEtrantools could help.
 
amsmath's code scares me
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Yes, it's very complicated.
 
IMO the authors of Tikz should be chained to some column and forced to rewrite th wholee of CTAN
starting wih xy, of course
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez It's not less complex than amsmath.
 
11:04 PM
I somehow manage to understand lots of it, though :-)
 
!!/eightball Is PGF easier to understand than amsmath?
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: let's wait for David to finish xor first.
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Our good friend Psmith is sometimes quite witty.
 

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