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fbueckert

6:00 PM

@Retrosaur With everything in spoilers, you can't read it.

Retrosaur

Basically, there's a bunch of questions coming up that basically ask about the ending of BioS:I

fbueckert

You have to click the question to see your possible duplicate.

Retrosaur

I put it in spoilers, so people won't complain about spoilers, though the OP is trying to constantly edit it himself

@fbueckert I've already voted to close.

Sconibulus

Is the guy undoing edits reason to close it?

Retrosaur

Not necessarily, but it is a duplicate

fbueckert

6:01 PM

@Sconibulus He's not undoing edits. Just removing the "Take caution" part.

Retrosaur

@fbueckert And he took out the >! tag

Jason Berkan

@Sconibulus Absolutely not.

Retrosaur

Because I think he reasoned that if you had "Spoilers" in the title, you wouldn't have to worry about the body

MBraedley

make this go away, please

fbueckert

Personally, I think everybody's getting too bent out of shape about possible spoilers. If you don't want to see it, ignore the tag.

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Retrosaur

6:02 PM

NONONONO

Do you not understand what I mean?

Sterno

People need to stop getting all offended on SE sites when they see spoilers. Yeah, people should try to avoid putting them in the question, but ultimately, this is a place for question and answers, not dancing around avoiding directly asking something so that you aren't spoiled for a few days

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Retrosaur

I'm saying, close the question, because there is a previous question that asks the same thing

@MBraedley You really made me laugh.

fbueckert

@Retrosaur This is a sidenote I'm making.

FAE

@fbueckert Doesn't help much if you're in chat with Lazers though.

Coronus

UGH. I'm SICK AND TIRED of people yelling "You ruined it!" about the FREAKING END of the game.

Retrosaur

6:03 PM

@fbueckert Oh, okay.

fbueckert

@Retrosaur Although, I'd recommend not engaging in an edit war.

@FAE Yeah, there's that.

Retrosaur

@fbueckert I didn't, I simply rollbacked into a previous version

fbueckert

Spoilers aren't a huge deal, though.

FAE

@fbueckert I pretty much stayed out of chat when ME3 released.

fbueckert

@Retrosaur That's an edit war.

MBraedley

6:03 PM

@Retrosaur That wasn't supposed to be funny. It was a calling to arms for offensive flags

FAE

@fbueckert For some people they are.

Retrosaur

@MBraedley No, I meant I laughed when I read the answer

Of course, I laughed after flagging it

fbueckert

@FAE Those that have it as a big deal can do you what you do.

If not being spoiled is such a huge problem for them, then staying off the Internet in general is probably required.

FAE

@fbueckert It still sucks though, I kind of, you know, like being here.

And I did have questions to ask and need answers for.

Mad Scientist

@Sterno If you want to remain unspoiled for popular games with significant plot twists you pretty much have to avoid most sites that deal with this topic anyway. Spoilers are only a problem when they appear out of context without warning, not in questions about the actual game

Gaming Topics From Outside

6:05 PM

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Q: Trying to get my system to run smoothly

I transmferred the contents of my old HDD on to my new computer, using the Windows 7 transfer. I ended up with what looks like mirror images of the drive, but one has (x86) at the end of it. My question is, is my transfer rate slow because of this or is it related at all. I also have issues wi...

fbueckert

@FAE I agree it sucks. I don't know of a way to resolve it, but dancing around the issue is sort of counter to Arqade's whole purpose.

Retrosaur

I'm just saying, for anyone who's "played the game" and "finished everything", please close this as a duplicate.

If you haven't played the game yet, or haven't gotten to the ending yet, don't bother clicking on the question, some users will find it close it themselves

Wait, @fbueckert, do spoilers show up while reviewing edits?

fbueckert

@Retrosaur In the spoiler box, yes.

Retrosaur

Okay, so there's still a spoiler box while reviewing stuff.

StrixVaria

@spugsley What did you list the Skorn for?

fbueckert

6:08 PM

@Retrosaur Yeah. And the review queue doesn't take your ignored tags into account, either.

Sterno

This is one of those edge cases where a very general question of "WTF is up with the ending?" technically covers this, but is so general that it's not all that likely to generate the specific answer he's looking for. If this ends up closed as a dupe, you might try leaving a comment asking for elaboration this aspect on either the question or maybe the accepted answer there. I initially voted to close this as a dupe but now I'm not so sure that was the right call. — Sterno 1 min ago

Retrosaur

@fbueckert You can ignore tags?

fbueckert

Especially for new, popular games, where you want to figure it out yourself, participating here is sort of counter to being able to do that.

Sterno

I hate when this happens. Specific question closed as dupe of general question, and likely doomed to therefore never get its specific answer. Not really sure what's right in that case.

Retrosaur

@Sterno It's too specific. ONce you get to the ending, you'll realize that whatever is in that post, is in the ending

Powerlord

6:10 PM

So, I noticed Oreo now has "Mega-Stuff" cookies instead of Double-Stuff

Retrosaur

It's literally, the very last thing in the game (besides the Creds of course)

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Retrosaur On the sidebar, below the favourite tag button

FAE

@fbueckert Yeah, it's a really sucky Catch-22.

Retrosaur

Otherwise, we can have hundreds of questions asking "Why does X of the ending happen?"

or "Why does X in Y game's ending happen?"

user15026

@powerlord are they essentially double stuffed ones?

Sterno

6:12 PM

@Retrosaur I understand that. His question seems to be "accepted wisdom thinks that <this part> of the ending means <this>, but that doesn't make any sense because <this other thing>, so wtf?"

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn I'm not sure.

Sconibulus

double double stuffed

Sterno

@Retrosaur You know, for all the times people have told me "If we allow this, we'll have hundreds of questions like it!", I've never seen that happen. :)

Powerlord

It's supposedly a "limited edition"

Jason Berkan

@Sterno This a hundred times over.

fbueckert

6:13 PM

@FAE I'm not sure if there's any way around that; the internet is not nice about allowing us our ignorance.

badp

I've been having strangely good times lately with the quickfix as a medic

Retrosaur

@Sterno That's because nobody really does do that

NO
BADP

DONT

Powerlord

I doubt some because Oreos were on sale, plus they had a $1 coupon if you bought 2... so two of Oreo's big packs for $4

Retrosaur

Everyone knows QF is only for 2nd medic, and QF is largely a shit medigun. Even though I like rocketjumping with my soldiers

badp

Retrosaur

6:13 PM

>pub server

>makes sense @badp

badp

lol

"pub" play is the only play

Retrosaur

If you go QF in comp

Powerlord

@Retrosaur I dunno, I've managed to assist in winning koth_lakeside with the QF.

Retrosaur

you get hammered

badp

"competitive" TF2 is a klutch

Retrosaur

6:14 PM

Vacc works better in KOTH maps

badp

@Powerlord yeah, it's awesome to capture points, push carts, not die to pyros

Sterno

@Retrosaur I'd like to argue with you about it, but there's no way to do so without spoilerizing chat. :)

badp

...and generally not die

Powerlord

@Retrosaur Vacc tends to break down as soon as you start taking multiple damage types.

Retrosaur

And it's also awesome to get shredded by miniguns!

But you realize, by the time most people get to mid, there's pretty much only a specific damage type flying around

badp

6:15 PM

btw

Sterno

But I see his point. He's kind of playing "poke the plot hole". Or he's misunderstanding why the plot works like it does. I do believe he read that other thread and he just thinks the current explanation makes no sense.

Retrosaur

For koth, the only way to cap the point is to make pushes

badp

go use the vaccinator in "competitive"

Powerlord

My QF and Vacc loadouts both have the Amputator and Crossbow.

Grace Note

@Sterno I can't recall if I've ever used this just as a passing statement in an argument, but at least I can be content that it's never been the root of an argument.

badp

6:15 PM

tell me how it goes

Powerlord

@badp Can't, they don't allow any items introduced after 2008.

Retrosaur

@badp kay, will do. From what I hear, it's horrible for cp and defense/attack maps

@power depends on tournament?

badp

@Powerlord kritzkrieg. Also highlander isn't normally that strict

Retrosaur

But Vacc is great for KOTH maps

kritzkrutch you mean

badp

Kritzkrieg I mean

FAE

6:16 PM

@fbueckert No, it's definitely not. I only get that fresh playthrough and first experience one time, and I like to be able to do it spoiler free.

Retrosaur

I used to literally worship QF over Reg, but then I realized that Reg is infinitely better

Grace Note

@Sterno To be fully fair, unless a lot of people are asking this kind of thing, this kind of "Why does this part happen that way?" almost seems like something to poke in comments on a good answer.

Retrosaur

QF works when there are two medics in the team, and the prime medic goes Regular

Powerlord

@Retrosaur I was generalizing, but they really do limit it. ETF2L being the worst iirc. Literally, the newest weapons they allow are the Medic's original 3 unlocks and none for any other class

badp

@Retrosaur perhaps, but the QF is just 100% more fun to play with

Retrosaur

6:17 PM

@Powerlord i46?

badp

so yeah

Retrosaur

@badp It is, until your pocket soldier lands you into a group of the opposing team

badp

>pub play

Retrosaur

Then you start to hate the QF

badp

>implying that everything written in this shitty style is true

Grace Note

6:17 PM

Thought pattern basically being, if this kind of knowledge is something that really should be clear in the more general question, then it really should be clear in the more general question.

Retrosaur

>implying greentext has to be green

fbueckert

@FAE Much of my enjoyment comes from figuring out game mechanics on my own, and coming up with combinations that are broken.

Retrosaur

@fbueckert So, loopholes? Glitches?

fbueckert

The internet just goes, "Nope, here's how it works, here's the best build."

@Retrosaur Not glitches.

Powerlord

Actually, the QF is also pretty fun on koth_ashville because it has those two raised areas that Medics can't normally get to on the sides of the point.

badp

6:18 PM

@Retrosaur If you're pocketing with the quickfix for any other reason than fast travel (and capturing points) you are doing it wrong

fbueckert

Loopholes, as long as they're within the game mechanics, oh, hell, yes.

FAE

@fbueckert Like figuring out your own optimal builds rather than doing FotM stuff?

Retrosaur

@badp For fun dummeh! Like market gardening soldias

fbueckert

@FAE Yeah.

badp

If your "pocket soldier" sends you into the enemy team, just stop pocketing him

Retrosaur

6:18 PM

QF is great for healing teammates, but not having an overheal puts you at a HUGE disadvantage

fbueckert

Disgaea's great for that.

So much choice.

Grace Note

@FAE FotM?

Retrosaur

QF cannot push, Medi can

FAE

@GraceNote Flavor of the Month.

fbueckert

But the Internet is just, "Most efficient method is X."

Grace Note

6:19 PM

Ah.

Powerlord

@Retrosaur btw, want to piss off enemy Snipers, use the Vacc with the resist set to bullets.

Retrosaur

lel

badp

*"QF cannot push, Medi can be pushed"

FAE

Often used in MMO gaming for commonly used efficient builds.

Retrosaur

I like pissing them off with the Scorch Shot

First fire makes aim go wobbly, then the projectile explodes

It's fun to harass them

@badp No, Medi allows for pushing

Powerlord

6:20 PM

Speaking of the QF, don't forget that when you activate its charge, you can't be knocked back.

badp

@Powerlord That's what I'm saying.

Retrosaur

But knockback is almost useless

FAE

@fbueckert I like doing stuff like trying out niche or gimmick builds just to see how well I can get them to work despite other people saying they suck just because they're not optimal DPS to the thousandths place.

badp

@Retrosaur lol, you must've been playing against shitty pyros and engineers.

Powerlord

@Retrosaur That includes airblast

fbueckert

6:20 PM

@FAE Exactly.

Retrosaur

I've tried it countless times

Grace Note

I like guides which give you skeleton builds, and also extreme details on why what all is in the skeleton, what options you have branching from it, so that you still get to personalize to your own content but avoid build stupid mishaps that can't easily be repaired.

Retrosaur

Heavy + Medic w/ QF vs Heavy + Medic w/ Medi

fbueckert

Because optimization > fun.

Retrosaur

Medi will always win, hands down

Powerlord

6:20 PM

You can't airblast a QFing Medic or the person (s)he's healing

Retrosaur

So? You can rip them to shreds with a minigun

badp

It's true that you can't argue with invulnerability, but the Quickfix is simply more fun

Retrosaur

Yes, QF is a "fun" wep

Medi is a serious wep.

Powerlord

@Retrosaur If they're in the middle of the QF charge, I mean. Which also means they're healing ridiculously fast.

Retrosaur

It's like the Scoot's most popular scattergun choices

@Powerlord And also die violently at the hands of a medi uber

FAE

6:21 PM

@fbueckert I often like doing theme builds for that reason too. I did a lot in CoH.

fbueckert

@FAE As did I.

Powerlord

@Retrosaur Yes, but the point is the QF uber charges faster.

Retrosaur

And worse, kritz uber

Grace Note

@FAE Thematic builds are always fun.

badp

@Retrosaur but unlike a kritzkrieg uber if you force an enemy medic to pop:

fbueckert

6:22 PM

I never got too far with any of my theme builds, but I loved to make them.

badp

1. you force an enemy medic to pop

Retrosaur

@Powerlord Basically, this is the way I see it, QF is a the perfect wep for shit medics

FAE

@fbueckert I really liked building characters around non-optimal/unpopular powersets. I had a Martial Arts/Energy Aura Stalker, for example.

badp

2. you have a chance of getting out of there alive

fbueckert

My Fire/Fire Blaster that only came up to your waist.

Retrosaur

6:22 PM

If you don't know when to pop ubers at the right time, here you go, disposable uber.

fbueckert

@FAE Ditto.

badp

The kritzkrieg by comparison just gives you kritical hits for 0*3 damage.

Retrosaur

If you don't like maintaining overheals on patients? Get rid of over heal!

fbueckert

My first 50 was my Ninja/Poison mastermind.

FAE

@fbueckert I haven't really found another game yet which has let me do that in the same way. :(

@fbueckert That combo ended up becoming pretty popular.

Retrosaur

6:23 PM

Can't keep everyone buffed long enough? Faster heal rate

Grace Note

I never really sought out sub-optimal strategies as much as I prioritized what I just really wanted to use, optimal or otherwise.

Powerlord

@badp The downside being that the QF's fast healing charge only works if you're healing someone at the time, otherwise the Medic only heals at normal rate.

fbueckert

Found out later that the Mastermind FotM was Robots/Forcefield.

badp

@Powerlord Yeah.

fbueckert

@FAE Really?

FAE

6:23 PM

@fbueckert Yep!

fbueckert

I made mine the day CoV came out.

Retrosaur

QF is basically a fun to use medigun, while Medigun is the vastly superior medigun

badp

but honestly, the Kritzkrieg also doesn't uber yourself.

Powerlord

I really wish Valve would fix that, seeing as the Medigun and Vaccinator don't seem to have that drawback.

fbueckert

Named all my ninjas after the TMNT.

FAE

6:24 PM

@fbueckert One of my b/fs had a bots/FF, it was seriously ridiculous.

Powerlord

Also, it'd be nice if they put the uber build rate back at its Beta level.

badp

@Powerlord does the Vaccinator uber give you "elemental" resistance still? I don't have that one yet.

Grace Note

@fbueckert So, you named all your ninjas after artists.

badp

@Powerlord What would that be?

Powerlord

@badp Yes, but the resistances don't work versus crits.

Retrosaur

6:24 PM

I personally feel the Quick Fix fills one niche adequately; Being a crutch for terrible Medics.
Can't prioritize healing? Have faster heal rate.
Too difficult to manage overheal? Have no overheal.
Charging too slow? Have a faster Über rate.
Unable to maximize Über rate? Have max Über rate at all times.
Bad at timing Übers? Have a disposable, inconsequential Über.

fbueckert

@GraceNote ಠ_ಠ

@OrigamiRob

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert ಠ_ಠ

Ben Brocka

how do you pick the element anyway? That sounded weird

Powerlord

@badp It used to charge 50% faster (like the Vacc does)

They lowered it to 25% faster when they added it to standard TF2.

Ben Brocka

@fbueckert that's a clever way to avoid googling "look of disaproval" in this chat

FAE

6:25 PM

@fbueckert I rolled my Dominator as Mind/Thorns for thematic reasons and I only ran into like half a dozen others in the 5 years I played.

badp

@Retrosaur Yeah. Have fun getting backstabbed with 90% uber while I pop.

Grace Note

@BenBrocka I just search for "kannada". At least, before I just stocked the face for any future use. Not that I use it in here.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@BenBrocka Now if only we can direct @OrigamiRob to stare at someone else for us

OrigamiRobot

@YiJiang'sEvilClone ಠ_ಠ

Retrosaur

@badp then that's an issue of a shit team that can't spycheck for shit

fbueckert

6:25 PM

@FAE I always loved my ninja/poison.

badp

too bad.

Powerlord

Wait, maybe it was 40% faster in Beta. I don't recall.

badp

>pub play

Retrosaur

If your team can't cover the medic, you've got a shit team

badp

right? ;)

Retrosaur

6:26 PM

Good point, pubs

fbueckert

Everyone was always saying that it didn't beat bots/field.

OrigamiRobot

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I'll get right on it.

fbueckert

I didn't care. It was fun.

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone stop trying to weaponize @OrigamiRob

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka ಠ_ಠ

fbueckert

6:26 PM

And I could solo elite bosses with it, which was awesome.

FAE

@GraceNote This was especially fun to do in CoX with Superteams, a team of 8 who picked their powersets to synergize with each other around a certain theme.

badp

@OrigamiRub. Give me a massage

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka Too late! Imma do it.

FAE

@fbueckert I had a Zombie/Poison, getting her to 50 was... rough.

fbueckert

I also specifically didn't take the Fitness pool, for the exact reason that everyone did.

FAE

6:26 PM

Poison is awesome debuff, but had like no mitigation and zombies were squishy.

badp

At any rate, I've already written the essay on the QuickFix on the blog and gotten my reddit karma for it

Retrosaur

last point, but for sentry nests? Your QF won't do anything

badp

I'll just point you there.

Stack Exchange Gaming Blog: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Quickfix

badp on September 16, 2011

"please use normal uber"

Perhaps the most controversial item that we got from the Uber Update (yeah, old news) is the Quick Fix. There’s a vocal bunch of people that actively dislikes it and ask medics to switch to one of the two classic medic guns, and well, it is undeniable that the quickfix does have a few major downsides in respect to the regular medi gun.

Namely, the #1 reason why people oppose the use of the quickfix is its uber does not grant you invulnerability. Well, invulnerability definitely is every bit as cool as it sounds. Yes, if you use the quickfix too late you&# …

fbueckert

I had to slot the crap out of endurance reduction.

FAE

@fbueckert I had a Stamina-less Fire/Mind blaster just to see if I could pull it off.

fbueckert

6:27 PM

@FAE Ninjas were, too.

I ran with the full Leadership pool.

FAE

It was rough until I got Drain Psyche, lemme tell ya.

badp

@Retrosaur The QF is magnificent against sentry nests if there aren't a lot of people around.

FAE

I was pretty proud of getting her build together though.

fbueckert

sigh All this talk of CoX makes me want to see how the reverse engineering is going.

FAE

@fbueckert I'm getting all wistful too. :(

Retrosaur

6:28 PM

@badp If your servers aren't full hue

huehuehuehue

fbueckert

@FAE Damn NCSoft for killing it.

FAE

@fbueckert I haven't checked the Titan boards in a while.

Grace Note

I save myself from such nostalgia by not having played either City. ♪

Retrosaur

9v9? Tough luck buddeh

badp

Works well in 16v16. shrug

Retrosaur

6:29 PM

This is from SPUF

The medic subforum has amply revealed the endless amount of butthurt all medics feel for the Quick-fix.

I do feel the QF has it's place though, I just feel it wasn't properly designed to fill that niche though. What I mean is that the QF really shines when you don't have any other medics on the team and your team is being injured far too quickly for the other mediguns to maintain a proper front against the enemy. In those situations the QF shines as the uber can put 3 or more badly hurt teammates back up to full in a 3 seconds flat, and having multiple teammates on hand to heal lets you ma…

FAE

@GraceNote It was an excellent game to RP in because you could start with a blank slate and work it into the game's lore very easily.

badp

Also yeah. Regular uber somebody with 5 hitpoints. At the end of the pop you have... 29. 13 if you're using the blutsauger (shame on you).

FAE

I loved making neat character concepts to design around the powersets I wanted to take.

Grace Note

Makes sense.

Retrosaur

Think about this, when you push to mid, if you have QF, your team is at a HUGE DISADVANTAGE

Because the other team has buffed health

FAE

6:30 PM

@fbueckert Man, I could sit here and talk about builds with you all day. I'd just get sad though.

Retrosaur

And your team doesn't, making it harder for your team to make effective pushes

badp

@Retrosaur First off I'm on middle way earlier than the enemy medic

Retrosaur

And so is the sticky jumper demo

fbueckert

@FAE Until they manage to reverse engineer the server.

badp

...and that's about it in super serious gaemplay

fbueckert

6:30 PM

If they do that, you bet your boots I'm running one.

badp

On normal matches that means that one guy on the enemy team has 450 hitpoints and my guy is healing 40% faster

Retrosaur

Think about this, if the sticky jumper can get to mid as fast as a qf medic, you're dead.

badp

Doesn't sound terrible at all

Retrosaur

Okay, you know what, I think this is better this way

QF for pubs, Medi+Kritz for nonpubs

FAE

@fbueckert I went through and got (almost) all my characters exported with the Sentinel tool.

Powerlord

6:31 PM

@Retrosaur The sticky jumper also has to either caber me or hit me with a grenade. It's not the instant win you make it out to be.

Retrosaur

Final word

badp

Nonpubs don't exist in my world view get out of here :P

FAE

I couldn't do a couple because I didn't have them unlocked anymore, as I'd stopped subscribing. :/

Retrosaur

@Powerlord Not stickyjumper stickyjumper, but jumping with the Sticky Launcher

fbueckert

@FAE I got all mine. Not sure where I put them, but I got 'em.

Retrosaur

6:32 PM

and in the hands of skilled player like B4nny, you'll be completely whiped

fbueckert

I'm poking around the Titan boards, seeing what's up.

Powerlord

@Retrosaur Then he's already injured.

Retrosaur

No, because medics overheal him

badp

and then he's just got regular health

Retrosaur

and he comes to mid with a significant hp advantage over a qf medic

Powerlord

6:32 PM

You also seem to forget that I also have teammates there, likely a Scout or my own team's Demo or Soldier.

Lazers

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Retrosaur

with no overheal

FAE

@fbueckert Cool, lemme know if there's any news, I've gotta go somewhat afk to start dinner.

Retrosaur

And this is all under this fat assumption that the demo's all alone, and the rest of his team is in spawn trading hats.

Powerlord

@Retrosaur Yes, but again, to get there quicker, they're taking damage to sticky jump.

Retrosaur

6:33 PM

I've tested the qf, you get to mid, great. And then two seconds later, the rest of the opposite team comes charging in.

"Quick Fix is for punishing incompetent teams who don't know how to defend medics."

This is also from SPUF

"I feel like people who defend the quick-fix either aren't that great at medic or just have some horrible teammates."

Powerlord

Honestly, the biggest problem to a QF Medic on 5cp is Scouts at mid, not Demos.

Retrosaur

And as @badp said, pubs

badp

You know that when you say "this is from SPUF" I stop reading immediately

2

If you've tried it, I'm sure you can argue about it in your own words

and your own experiences

Also nobody is arguing that the regular medigun isn't the #1 medigun

Retrosaur

Yeah, I play QF a lot, at it's only somewhat decent

badp

Just, the QuickFix isn't as signficantly worse than that as people give credit to it.

Raven Dreamer

6:35 PM

@OrigamiRob Do you have my number?

Retrosaur

final point of the final points of final points

OrigamiRobot

@RavenDreamer ಠ_ಠ

Retrosaur

anyways, I have to go to ameeting

badp

Later.

Raven Dreamer

@OrigamiRobot Can you send me a text? I've misplaced yours.

Retrosaur

6:36 PM

This is the problem with the Quick-Fix. You're only an asset to your team after your friends are hurt.

Powerlord

@badp Oh, I dunno, the Kritz works wonders on maps like pl_upward.

Retrosaur

Bai guys

Fluttershy

@RavenDreamer Hey, I just met you, and this is cray-cray...

Raven Dreamer

(Ditto for @Spugsley and @IanPugsley)

Powerlord

At least on RED, since setup time is long enough to basically charge it twice.

Raven Dreamer

6:36 PM

@Fluttershy Naw, that happened last may.

badp

@Powerlord Kritz is what I almost always use

except for this QuickFix period I'm having

Fluttershy

@RavenDreamer Oh.

Powerlord

But anyway, one thing I really like lately is the Loose Cannon, even though I suck at Demo.

badp

Oh, I now know why I'm having a better time now with the QuickFix. I've been playing on Reddit Europe. No random crits.

(Which is also why I'm not using the Kritzkrieg.)

Powerlord

Especially using it against an enemy Uber and watching them go flying backwards.

@badp Most Reddit servers are no-crit, yeah.

On an unrelated note, does the Strange Southern Hospitality still not track sentry kills?

badp

6:38 PM

No idea

@Powerlord When you say "no-crit" I usually picture 3 kritz medics, each pocketing a buff-banner soldier.

What I've found instead on Reddit Europe is a bunch of really ~~annoying~~ good scouts.

Powerlord

I wouldn't mind crits if Valve would fix the crit rate on Soldier rockets and Engineer melees.

badp

(I picture it because that's how it was on the Wanted GOV server I also normally play on - until they turned random crits on, then people started using other mediguns as well.)

Powerlord

Then again, I can think of a handful of other items Valve needs to fix first. The Wrangler has been on that list since 2009... and it's been made worse by the Rescue Ranger.

badp

@Powerlord Have you considered filing bugs on the new issue reporter on GitHub?

I don't know if they accept "gameplay" bugs but...

Powerlord

@badp Pretty sure they don't.

"Hey, lets give Engineers a weapon that lets them sentry jump and make it so that it's possible to pick up said sentry as they're blasted away!"

Three years later.... "Hey, lets make it possible to do long distance healing and moves on any Engineer building!"

One of the Engies on RUGC Midwest has gotten really good at teleporting his sentry when a Spy is about to sap it.

badp

6:43 PM

@Powerlord It does make you more vulnerable to spies though

even more so than the pomson

Powerlord

@badp Except that he uses the Wrangler to get up to weird positions first.

badp

@Powerlord Ambassador headshots?

Sterno

@GraceNote I mostly agree, though I'm not sure how to measure "a lot of people asking a thing".

badp

but yeah, I hate weird position building

Powerlord

@badp Have to locate him first and that alerts the rest of the team in the area.

badp

6:45 PM

"HEY GUYS CHECK OUT THIS REALLY SHITTY PLACE TO BUILD STUFF ON THAT THE MAP MAKER FORGOT ABOUT!"

Powerlord

It's not even that he builds in weird spot, but the teleporting of the buildings... shit its Thursday, isn't it? Forgot I have a meeting soon.

badp

@Powerlord later

Powerlord

I still have 15 minutes.

badp

@Powerlord Once sapped you can't teleport right?

Grace Note

@Sterno Two general ways - actual votes/views on the question, and knowledge of the situation in question.

Powerlord

6:45 PM

@badp Right.

OrigamiRobot

@RavenDreamer gasp

Grace Note

By the latter, I mean, being familiar with the game and its players, and the question that is being asked, and knowing that it is, indeed, a question people generally have.

Powerlord

@badp What's really dumb is that Valve still doesn't fix these even on newer maps.

OrigamiRobot

@RavenDreamer ProTip: When you call me OrigamiRob, I don't get your pings because my disapproval clears my notifications.

badp

@OrigamiBob Why?

StrixVaria

6:50 PM

@OrigamiBobbert

OrigamiRobot

@badp Because your notifications get cleared when you enter a message

badp