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10 hours later…
12:01 PM
@Caleb Do not tell me how to feel. Ever. You can tell me how you feel. You can tell me how you think Peter feels, if you want. But you do not get to tell me how I should feel. Just don't do that. Right?
 
 
5 hours later…
4:42 PM
@waxeagle I think the real issue is whether the transsexual is a woman or a man.
 
@TRiG I don't get to tell myself how to feel on some days. ;-)
 
Because, you COULD have this happen: A (a man) meets B (a woman). Neither are Christian. A knows/learns B is a transsexual. A and B marry. A becomes a Christian. Is this a homosexual marriage? What should A do?
 
perhaps, but that should be a different question. The question posed is "we know homosexuality is a OMGWOW sin, what if I didn't know"
@El'endiaStarman interesting scenario. does this person believe that homosexual marriage is inherently sinful? How does the bible actually handle someone who was born one sex and is now legally another :)
 
@waxeagle Yeah, by doing it this way, you are avoiding the problem of "it's already a sin", as extramarital sex would be. Instead, this is intramarital sex, but is it heterosexual or homosexual?
> How does the bible actually handle someone who was born one sex and is now legally another?
 
@El'endiaStarman right, and the next question would be "do you believe it matters?
 
4:51 PM
@waxeagle Let's assume that A and B become Christians. Should they believe it matters?
 
@El'endiaStarman well the bible seems to indicate that married people should stay married. That was a major message of 1 Corinthians
 
@El'endiaStarman That's basically it. More like "Is there anything in the Bible about such a scenario?", which to my knowledge, there isn't.
 
the great one will be 2 men get married (when it's finally legal, because it will be pretty much everywhere soon) and one or both become Christians.
 
@waxeagle So the conclusion would be that marriage > homosexual sin. Which...can have interesting implications.
@waxeagle Yeah. That'd be a good question, actually...
 
@El'endiaStarman that one possible one, another is that they should have a celebit marriage. I'd be inclined to argue for the first, but honestly don't know what the biblical argument would actually be
@El'endiaStarman well in Africa a lot of missions and churches encouraged polygamist men to keep and continue supporting their multiple wives. It was the right decision there, but polygamy isn't explicitly sinful either.
homosexuality on the other hand, well that's quite a bit greyer
 
4:57 PM
@waxeagle I think you can easily derive from the Bible that homosexual sex is a sin. Homosexual marriage, not so easily, but there is the expectation of sex in marriage.
 
@El'endiaStarman right.
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Q: Unintentional homosexuality

fregLet's say a man sleeps with a person he assumes to be a cis women, and later discovers that his partner was assigned male at birth. Does he need to atone for committing a homosexual sin? In the Bible it clearly states that he who lies with a man as one does with a women is a great sinner. But Wha...

topic for the moment.
@El'endiaStarman and I have been discussing this for a moment in the mod room and are considering a bit of a conundrum stemming form this question
@El'endiaStarman right, and you entered the marriage in good faith as a non-christian.
This same line of thinking actually should inform what a Christian should do if their partner decided to change their sex.
(I think the fact that I can't think of answers to this shows how unprepared the church is to deal with 21st century sex and gender issues...too often instead of dealing with the actual issues and trying to find biblical (or at least solid theological) solutions we get wrapped up with condemning individuals and practices that we don't really understand)
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5:22 PM
@waxeagle That's a much better (i.e. clearer) than the transgender question.
@waxeagle And this is startling to me. But also sensible in light of Paul's letters.
 
I call dibs on this question: "Is intramarital sex with a transsexual homosexual or heterosexual?". @Wax can have "How does the Bible actually handle someone who was born one sex and is now legally (and biologically) another?" and "If two men get married and both become Christians afterwards, what should they do?" if he would like, but if not, I'll take those too.
 
@JonEricson yeah, I may have to go back and find backup for that, it's something from my memory and may be more anecdotal than representative. (considering our history of doing missions terribly)..
 
 
3 hours later…
8:16 PM
Gotta love it when the right expertise does finally come along. Speaks Arabic, runs a blog dealing with Arabic speaking Orthodox Christian issues ... gee you think they might know something about this question?
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A: When did Arabic enter into usage as a liturgical language among Orthodox Christians?

SamnDifferent communities adopted Arabc at various times. The earliest community to start using Arabic were the Greek Orthodox of Palestine, who started translating the liturgy and theological books into Arabic in the 8th century. For a more general history of Arab Christianity, I'd consult The Churc...

Whodathunk it? Apparently the Catholics saw fit to give computer programmers a patron saint. Not something I knew before...
> In 2002 the Church selected St. Isidore of Seville to be the official patron of computer programmers.
 
@Caleb nice. we have a patron saint. (not that this particularly affects me, but @PeterTurner would certainly want to know this)
 
The only trouble* I'm having with that is that Isidore died in 636, making it highly unlikely that he knew the first thing about programming. Is that legit?
* _Besides not being Catholic or subscribing to any of the saint stuff._
 
8:36 PM
@waxeagle "Overcome evil with good." Come on, we can't get something about squashing bugs in the name of the ... ... ... I should stop before my irreverent Protestant tongue takes a Catholic below the belt. I was just thinking about asking something about C vs. P history too.
 
@Caleb lol.
 
@waxeagle That's the thing, I mean, no offense to St. Isidore, it is nice to have a doctor of the church as a patron, but he doesn't resonate. My patron is St. Thérèse of Lisieux, the patroness of little things, like the amount of work I got done today.
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@PeterTurner lol
 
 
3 hours later…
11:49 PM
Possibly the best question I've seen here yet! — Caleb Aug 31 '11 at 9:15
I've changed my mind on a lot of what makes good and bad religon SE questions, but I still think that's a perfectly good one (if no longer the best one, that was pretty early on!) but I'm having a hard time putting my finger on why. Change a few words or even the tone and it could just as easily be a troll or just worthless. I could see this getting beat up on big time if it was asked today, yet there is some fine balance that actually makes it ok.
Unfortunately the upvoted answer leaves much to be desired.
 

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