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12:00 PM
Cerb is very sumint. /nod
 
12:23 PM
9 hours ago, by NOTjust -- user4304
@Vitaly you are as dishonest as a day-trader.
Do I even know that, uh, user?
Why is he even pinging me?
 
@Vitaly I asked him what was up but he ignored me
@Cerberus Cerb, you have to admit that an app which tries to subvert the operating system design to the degree that that one does is likely to fail on upgrades to a new OS. Whether that subversion is useful to you or not, it is bound to be fragile. So if you're installing things like that that require a rooted phone, yes, you're right to be wary to wait for new installs. But really anything could go wrong and tip that app over and make it hose your phone.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure, I don't blame either the application or JB.
 
@Cerberus No, you should blame the application
 
Why?
 
Because it is not properly coded to do its job
 
12:28 PM
It is a security application. Those need scary hooks.
Virus scanners cause problems on PCs too, I have seen enough examples, when people upgrade things or install two virus scanners, or whatever.
 
It mucks around with the fundamental operation of the operating system. That means the quality bar is raised much higher.
 
@Vitaly Yeah very strange, I didn't get it either. Ignore.
Probably a joke.
 
@Cerberus Yes, virus scanners are often really shitty quality
 
It is said that there is a conflict between Google Now and LBE.
The thing is, LBE can't foresee everything that Google will do to change the structure of its system.
 
My point is that an app that can potentially cause your phone to be completely unusable should at least have the good sense to detect that it's running on an unsupported OS and disable itself.
 
12:30 PM
I agree on that one.
Just don't allow the application to activate on a later version of Android than what you've tested it on.
 
@Cerberus It is their job to foresee that they can't foresee everything and handle things accordingly. It is a complete failure if a top-of-the-line phone with the latest supported OS from the flagship hardware line cannot boot because one shitty app is installed
@Cerberus yes, exactly, or else trap errors and shut down the app.
I do expect an app like that to have "incompatibility" in the "the app doesn't work anymore" sense. I don't expect it to have "incompatibility" in the "I installed the app and it bricked my phone" sense.
 
But most other applications should not behave that way, otherwise you would have more damage from failing applications than from failing phones (which can of course be recovered without too much trouble btw.).
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I agree. In any case, if I switch to JB, this great program won't work properly (it can be set up to block internet access as usual, but not its other functions). So it's not a good idea to just upgrade without thinking.
I can't know that all applications that I have installed will work properly on JB.
I will have to go by the experiences of others before me.
 
-4
Q: "yet another human" or "yet another a human"

D-Shanwhen I read "yet another human being", it seems wrong. "yet another a human being" feels correct. Which way is correct ?

Do not want.
 
@Cerberus Well, if you've rooted your phone so that you can install apps that require root, then yes, you've voided the software guarantees and need to tread carefully.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 D'oh, of course it's rooted.
 
12:45 PM
@Cerberus "of course", except that I haven't rooted my phone, I have no need to.
 
Another one of my favourite applications that required root access didn't work JB either, but thankfully it has been updated.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why not?
Don't you like all the nice things that rootilicious programs can do?
Like slide to wake?
That is one of the best things ever.
And Tasker! I haven't even started using Tasker yet, which must be the King of Android programs.
 
@Cerberus meh. The phone works well enough now. Plus rooting involves wiping the phone and I don't want to go through the hassle.
 
You can simply back up your data.
That is part of the normal rooting process.
Oh, well, it just means that you can't do some very cool things.
No biggie!
 
It also means I can update to JB with no worries
 
I keep reading that as Jail Bait
 
12:49 PM
0
Q: Preposition: at vs with

utxeeeCan the preposition at in the following sentence be replaced by with ? I'm mad at you. In my mother-tongue language we say that we are mad with someone not at.

Hm. I thought this was a dupe, but I can't find anything.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not exactly. First, if you just uninstall all programs that need root access, you can research each of them on an individual basis and reinstall it on JB once you're sure it will work. Secondly, you can update, but that doesn't mean several of your programs that don't need root won't stop working.
 
@Cerberus I'm confident that they will all work
 
How can you be?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I have seen many rootless programs report problems on JB that needed to be fixed.
 
@Cerberus they all survived the 2.3-4.0 update, which was a major revision. They should be fine.
 
2
Q: "Angry with" vs. "angry at" vs. "angry on"

brianWhich is the most appropriate/correct usage? Are you angry on me? Are you angry with me? Are you angry at me?

 
12:52 PM
Furthermore, I expect that there will be updates coming soon to fix or improve these apps on JB.
So by the time JB hits my phone I expect everything to work.
 
hehehe
 
For many programs, updates will come eventually. But you may be unable to use a favourite for a few weeks or longer. And some programs may have been abandoned, even.
 
@MattЭллен Ah, angry it was.
 
@Cerberus I don't want abandoned programs on my phone. Abandoned means no security fixes. no thanks.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Okay, sure, by then you will be a late adopter, so most programs will have been updates. Exactly my point: delaying an upgrade has serious advantages.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Paranoid!
Who says non-abandonded programs get security fixes?
 
12:54 PM
@Cerberus heh "late adopter". My phone will probably have JB on it before any JB phones hit the market.
 
They probably won't be noted.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still late.
I'm late already.
 
@Cerberus You are most definitely not a late adopter.
Most phones don't even have ICS yet.
 
I am! People have been running JB for weeks!
 
@Cerberus yeah, dozens of people.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And the archeological museum doesn't have the neolithic hand axes yet.
 
12:56 PM
Most phones run Gingerbread. And the 2nd most popular version is Froyo.
 
@Cerberus a boy or a girl?
 
I'm probably still on froyo
how does one tell?
 
@RegDwightАΑA Puppies! Yay!
 
@MattЭллен go to the settings page and hit "about phone"
 
12:57 PM
That's froyo
what kind of phone is it?
 
A nice one.
 
HTC Desire
 
See?
By the way, how many phones are there with no hardware buttons on the front?
 
it's about 2 years old, so...
 
@Cerberus I don't know
 
12:59 PM
more than 2 years old, in fact
 
I find that I like no hardware buttons more than I expected. I just hate the lack of hardware qwerty.
 
@MattЭллен If HTC doesn't have an official update, you can at least install CyanogenMod 7.2 on it
 
@MattЭллен I still know many people with dumbphones, so you're good.
 
that would bring you up to "Android 2.3.7"-ish
 
interesting
 
1:00 PM
I wonder how long CM for the Galaxy Nexus will be.
 
It probably can't run ICS
 
Have you ever tried one? Is it good?
 
me? no
since I have a Nexus I don't really need CM to stay current.
I might install CM on my tablet though, if Asus fails to produce a jelly bean for it
 
> Update: According to a post on Facebook, the Android 4.0 update for the Desire HD is still on track and is expected in July-August. Only the handsets on Telus' networks won't be getting the update.
 
@Cerberus yeah I was just looking at the specs for the phone, it has similar specs to the Nexus S
 
1:03 PM
So you will soon get ICS, @Matt!
 
@Cerberus that's the Desire HD
 
Oh.
 
Then what Desire do you have?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Is that the only reason you would get CM? I heard it had other perks...
 
The original Desire
I can't remember the Google name for it
 
1:05 PM
@Cerberus it does have some perks, but I didn't think they were worth flashing. Also, there is some benefit to me to have an official os release because I test software on this phone.
@MattЭллен HTC Desire is the official name for it I think
 
Hmmm...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 On your own phone?
Hmm2.
 
@Cerberus yes, software that I write
Is this your phone, Matt? gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 HTC Google Nexus One
 
@MattЭллен Oh, you have the Nexus One!
I don't think that's the same as the Desire, is it?
 
1:10 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 No I have the desire, but they're twins (according to slash gear)
 
@MattЭллен hm
 
> and come with a bigger, 8GB microSD card in the box
mine only came with 4Gb :(
 
for some reason, the CyanogenMod forums are saying I'm not allowed to visit them.
Does this link forum.cyanogenmod.com work for you guys?
 
Si.
 
Okay, I'm not upgrading.
 
not never?
 
I can't find any decent security application that is confirmed to work on JB.
Not for the time being.
I'd rather have all my applications working than some minor speed increase and better notifications.
Google Now seems the same useless crap as what most "social" and "personalised" websites and applications try to foist upon you these days, i.e. little practical use, won't work properly outside the US, and the opposite of privacy.
On top of that, it is reported to use a lot of battery.
Only by turning it off can you achieve the same battery drain as ICS.
Besides, why would I want to have to open a web page to get a weather "card" if I can already have a better weather widget on my home screen?
<add some more random ranting>
 
You have room for weather widgets? my home screens are full of icons
 
Now for some tea!
 
1:24 PM
coffee!
 
coffee for the gentleman over there
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, I find that seeing a rain graph at first glance is probably worth it.
I may add more icons.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But actually, you can just put the icons in a large folder, so why would you need so many on your home screen?
Just a few icons for your folders.
 
@Cerberus heheh I only learned about folders recently
 
I only use two home screens anyway.
 
But I don't really like folders
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Aww...my home screen came with a Google folder.
 
1:27 PM
for some reason
 
Why not?
Oh, that reason.
Yes.
 
I can't really say
 
I see.
I hadn't thought about it like that.
How many applications does one use daily?
 
I put a folder in the ... quick launch? whatever it's called, that area at the bottom of the home screen that's on each page of the home screen
 
Right.
 
1:28 PM
But now it means when I want to use one of those apps I have to click twice instead of once
annoying
 
Otherwise you need to swipe.
 
?siht ekil ti tuoba thguoht uoy daH
 
Oh!
That makes it completely different!
 
Now I want a mirrored home screen.
 
1:29 PM
Well, I swipe, but I've grouped the apps by their function, so when I'm on a particular home screen I am usually doing lots of similar things on that screen
eg all my language tools are on one screen, all my games on another, etc
 
But do you normally open lots of different games around the same time?
 
Sometimes
on the Tablet, yes
every day I open a whole slew of games from the same company
 
I don't know, two clicks seems efficient enough to me.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why?
 
becasuse if you "play" the game each day you are awarded a daily prize, and every 5 days that prize is a kind of in-game currency which can be used to buy stuff in the game (it is shared among all the games). So I have lots of games I don't play, just so that they can generate free tokens for me to spend in the one or two games I do play
that way I don't have to spend real money to buy fake tokens
 
Oh God.
That sort of game.
 
1:32 PM
yeah, that's the future of gaming, it seems
you can never just buy a game and own it outright. It's always "keep paying forever"
 
because there are people who will pay
but I've just not met them
 
I spent a few euros on online games on occasion.
Probably € 20 total.
Only two games that I can remember: Tyrant and Kongai.
 
I've thought about it, but microtransactions are not my style
 
You prefer big spending?
 
I would probably do it if I got into MtG online
 
1:33 PM
Just like you.
MtG?
Man the Gates?
Milk the Goats?
 
@Cerberus heh :D nah, I just pay once.
@Cerberus Magic the Gathering
 
Ahh.
You've played Tyrant, haven't you?
 
Especially given all the deals that Steam does - I rarely spend big on games
@Cerberus yes
 
It's probably somewhat similar to Magic, isn't it?
 
@Cerberus I have considered buying cards and such, but then I lost interest in the game
@Cerberus there are similarities
 
1:35 PM
I see.
I only bought a few cards long after we had started the Faction.
 
in Tyrant it seems that how you setup your deck is the most important thing, that's where all the tactics are. you can then play on auto
 
Not exactly.
 
in MtG playing is the thing
 
But yeah, playing is less important with Tyrant than with Magic.
 
plus in MtG decks are 60+ cards
 
1:37 PM
I'm sure it's fun.
I was always too lazy to try.
 
Well, I'm only just getting (back) into it
 
Because it seemed so...involved.
Cool.
 
it helps that I have a friend who plays
 
Yes.
 
in tyrant I had no one to play against
 
1:38 PM
Aww.
 
just the computer
everyone else is too high level or quit
 
Yeah it's stupid that they only created duels so late.
 
in MtG skilled play is extremely important
 
And even then they were only in tourneys.
 
so is setting up your deck... but play is possibly more important
 
1:39 PM
Hey, do you play Bridge?
 
me? no. i've played whist, though
 
@Cerberus I used to play in university.
 
Yay!
 
I prefer Euchre.
 
I've not played bridge - I know no one who plays
 
1:40 PM
@JSBձոգչ It is Whist++, I believe. I don't remember how Whist worked again.
 
If it's good enough for Phileas Fogg, it's good enough for me!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What's that like? I have heard of it.
 
@Cerberus that's basically correct.
 
@MattЭллен It is the best physical game I know!
 
bridge evolved from whist, leaving whist behind as the little cousin
 
1:41 PM
@Cerberus like Bridge, only simpler
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then...why not play Bridge?
So much fun.
Ah, next month we will be four in the country house who play Bridge. I foresee marathons!
 
@Cerberus Because bridge is harder and I don't know many people who play and they are way above me.
 
i would like to learn bridge, but i'm not sure if it's worth the effort at this point
 
But it's not that hard...
 
@Cerberus be sure not to make hasty wagers about circumnavigating the globe
 
1:42 PM
@JSBձոգչ It is!
@MattЭллен Um, normally Bridge doesn't involve that!
 
Good, good
Also, try not to be mistaken for a criminal who stole a lot of money from the Bank of England, as that tends to slow your progress around the world
 
Like those chaps from HSBC?
 
Oh? Did you mean Barclays? Or is this some other scandal?
 
Oh, I thought all of them were involved. But mainly Barclays, probably.
 
Oh I see, yes, barclays couldn't fix the rates with themselves, eh!
 
1:56 PM
Hehe.
Stupid banks.
kicks banks
 
It seems they are still under investigation...
 
Going to watch this now.
 
have fun!
 
2:02 PM
Hmm.
Not that Great.
 
Oh. I shall watch it later
maybe his humour has been cut for austerity
 
Haha.
He also used their to refer to a singular antecedent.
 
What this videos comes down to is that Britain is not so Great, but it is.
 
@Reg IFS got catfaced. Change your Kong password.
 
2:07 PM
Catfaced?
Hacked?
That sucks.
 
catface. he's got a big cat's face. the body of a cat with the head of a cat. catface
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Now I have a virus on my phone.
It's called "you have an update", and it is plaguing me with pop-ups.
Which I'm not going to OK.
So it keeps coming back again and again.
So I might as well give up on any security on my phone.
 
@Cerberus It's not a virus unless it spreads like a virus.
 
It does spread!
You will contract it too.
 
through kissing
 
2:10 PM
Through candy, rather.
 
or through hijacking the body of bacteria
or other cells
 
The body of bacteria...yes, why not.
 
Four invites! Warmongers, Zerophobia, Dragons, Fallen Veterans.
 
you're so popular
 
And my YouTube is still kaputt. Reboot time.
 
2:21 PM
your milk brings all the invites to the yard
 
@RegDwightАΑA Yeah, I'm being spammed by vultures as well.
@RegDwightАΑA Are you still in control of Olduvai?
 
Just a quick one. In the sentence "I am getting some coffee." are "am" and "getting" both used as verbs?
 
@StuperUser Yes.
But what are you asking this for?
 
He's getting some coffee, d'uh
 
Whether or not they are verbs is probably not what you actually want to know?
 
2:31 PM
@Matt that's a contraction of "He is getting some coffee". "Is" is a form of "be" which is a verb.
 
@StuperUser Yes. (sorry, I was replying to Cerberus)
 
I am genuinely curious about what prompted this question.
I don't bite.
On weekdays.
After tea time.
 
@Cerberus It was out of curiosity, I was having a conversation about I vs Me. And read: oxforddictionaries.com/words/i-or-me
 
it's not after teatime, btw
 
Depends where I suppose :)
 
2:33 PM
:D
 
It says "Use the pronoun I, along with other subjective pronouns such as we, he, she, you, and they, when the pronoun is the subject of a verb:" and wondered whether "are" was being used as a verb in that sentence/
 
I know, I know, not in England!
 
Well, it depends when you have your "afternoon tea" :)
 
@StuperUser Yes, what they mean is the predicate, so am + getting together.
 
So, they're both subjective verbs in that sentence and "am" is the predicate of "getting"?
 
2:37 PM
The predicate is basically everything but the subject of a clause. When you're looking for the relevant "verb" in this context, it's probably best to consider all the verbs of the clause together as one.
In practice, if it is about the subject, you can look at the finite verb, which is in this case am.
 
@Cerb could you analyse "getting coffee" as an adjective phrase that describes the state of the subject?
 
If it is the subject of the finite verb, then it is the subject of the whole clause.
@MattЭллен Yes, in a way you could.
Though Anglo-Saxon linguists will probably be a bit displeased.
They would rather see am getting as a complex verb or something, I don't know.
 
Which one is right?
 
I am.
 
Translated into English, the book became more and more fashionable.
Having been translated into English, the book became more and more fashionable.
 
2:40 PM
Both are OK.
 
Is there any difference?
 
Not much...
I suppose the second one puts a bit more focus on the fact that it was translated.
Makes you consider that fact a little bit longer.
 
Well, another question: could to + V be an attribute to modify the noun?
 
@Vitaly I guess I am.
Well my alt is.
 
@FrankScience You could say that, in certain contexts. Do you have an example in mind?
 
2:49 PM
@RegDwightАΑA New ex-IFS home needs boosting. Mind declaring on FU OHIO?
 
> I have no food to eat.
I would say to eat was an attribute that modified food.
But other models are perhaps also possible.
 
For example: I bought The Art of Computer Programming written by Don Knuth.
 
I see no to?
 
I have never seen this: I bought The Art of Computer Programming to have been written by Don Knuth.
 
that is a time travellers sentence if ever I saw one
 
2:51 PM
@FrankScience No, that wouldn't make sense.
 
Why is it wrong?
 
I have no idea what it would mean.
It's just random words together.
 
@FrankScience you bought a book that wasn't yet written
 
@MattЭллен to have done means the past.
 
It's hypothetical and it implies the future in your sentence.
 
2:53 PM
@FrankScience Yes, okay, but you normally don't use to + infinitive as an attribute to a noun—only in special cases.
 
e.g. "This work is to have been done by Simon" means that simon will do the work but hasn't yet
 
Even that sentence is very unusual.
 
yes it is
 
I doubt either of us would ever say that in our puny lives.
@FrankScience When you use to + infinitive as an attribute, it normally expresses a purpose.
You have the noun, and the purpose of the noun is to [verb].
 
@FrankScience plus you're saying to have been done, which is different to to have done
 
2:56 PM
Thanks @Reg.
 
@Cerberus So to have done is only used in such case? I regret to have played a trick on David.
 
@Vitaly took me a while to remember the password.
3
Q: "Impressed me" vs. "impressed to me"

juanpastasWhen should I use one or the other? Is this correct: I found a new place that impressed (to) me? Can Which one is correct? "Explain me" or "Explain to me"? be used as the rule for this case?

How is this still open?
Three upvotes, too.
 
transitive/intransitive verbs
 
@FrankScience In that case, to + inf. doesn't modify the noun: it depends on the main verb regret. Note that sometimes you can use regret with to, but in this sentence it sounds wrong to me.
 
@RegDwightАΑA Can you fight with an empty deck now (i.e. lose all 10 battles without surrendering)?
 
2:59 PM
Oh that.
@FrankScience where have you seen an intransitive "to impress to"?
 
@Cerberus I don't know clearly. The one from our textbook is just like that.
 

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