The Bridge

man, have to take these silly training things for work. like "code of conduct" where I'm supposed to refuse expensive gifts from vendors. I wish that was a problem I had.

@Fluttershy same here, second try. First was a rainbow (barf)

8:05 PM

"oh, you got me superbowl tickets and a nice bottle of wine? aww, man"

TIL I use the fingertip grip on mice because most mice are made for inferior, tiny handed people

@BenBrocka what were you using before? I think that's the way I've always used my mouse

@agent86 No, that's what I always use (or claw grip for tiny laptop mice), I just didn't realize it wasn't normal "palm grip"

Because these freaking mice don't fit my palm+fingers

I'm watching this shellshocker with glee because the reviews imply it's big in most people's hands newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker--991910--07032012_1

@BenBrocka I use the fingertip grip because my hands ARE small.. So I call BS on that :P

Q: Deus Ex Human Revolution: Is Typhoon supposed to kill robots on hard difficulty?

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I'm playing Deus Ex Human Revolution on the Give Me Deus Ex difficulty. The description of Typhoon's level two upgrade is: Deals enough damage to kill any enemy, including all robot types. I'm using it now for the first time in the hanger bay in Hengsha where there are two heavy robots. I run r...

deus-ex-human-revolution

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Q: What are the effects of Starcraft 1's Burrow, other than the obvious?

I cant find anything in the guide book, or in game, however often the book talks about zerg forces healing quicker when burrowed. Can someone explain what exactly Burrow does?

starcraft

Gareth Jones

8:11 PM

Oh god its my question

thanks Lazers

@James How so? If your hands are smaller you can actually use the palm grip, my had doesn't fit my current mouse like that

... apparently I'm not supposed to use company expense accounts to go to strip clubs. THANK GOD FOR THIS TRAINING!

@BenBrocka My hands are generally small enough they would require my arms to hover in the air if I actually held my mouse with my fingers up towards the end

@agent86 WORST TRAINING EVER

also, I shouldn't come to the office early in the morning and use the corporate network to download porn? what the hell good is a job??

8:12 PM

@James mine require my fingers to curl. I think we use the same grip for opposite reasons

@agent86 Obviously. I usually stay late to do that

@BenBrocka ie: The Claw Grip is impossible for me to do.. I would not be able to curl my fingers up like that and have them reach the buttons of the mouse as well as rest the palm of my hand against the back of it.

@BenBrocka If your fingers are curled I think you are a claw, not a fingertip :)

Claw grip looks like it freaking hurts

No I mean I'd have to curl my fingers up to get my fingers to the end of the mouse with my palm at the base; otherwise my fingertips are past the mouse

@BenBrocka That it does :D

I guess I can see what they mean about having crazy high mouse speed with claw grip though

sees star list wait, more swag coming or something?

hmm, Atlus is doing a half-off PSN sale this month.

@BenBrocka yeah, probably more than top 2 pages of users will be getting swag packs

I've heard pens, stickers, mousepad, shirt

8:16 PM

I'm hoping Squeenix puts all the XIII-2 DLC on sale; then I might pick it back up.

@agent86 cool. I need a mousepad too

I'm apparently on the second page of users

user2334

@fbueckert 10 imaginary trappbucks™ (patent pending) says they don't and they just release an "ultimate" edition instead

@BenBrocka It's my first time getting swag from SE. :P

@agent86 Oh nice, I got one of those for participating on GameDev.. wonder if I am in range on here.. I have not been able to contribute much in the more recent months :/

@BenBrocka I'll have to put in some hours to keep my rep up so I don't fall off.

8:18 PM

@MarkTrapp ...I will NOT be happy if they do that. They'd be screwing over the early buyers.

user2334

@agent86 thanks for removing the community property line from the rollback post

@agent86 uh huh

@James You're at the bottom of page two, so I can't imagine you'd miss out.

Gaming Topics From Outside

@agent86 Do you know what the pages are sorted by?

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Q: Wine screen pushed up

So, I am out of town for a good while for work. A lot of the games I like to play don't run too well on my xubuntu labtop, so I decided that I was going to play Icewind Dale. I installed it and everything, but when I go to play, 2/3 of the graphics is off the top of the screen. Apparently, Ice...

wine xubuntu games

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Q: Is it really easier to cheat in Diablo 3 when using Wine?

So, I've read that Blizzard banned Diablo 3 players using WINE saying that it can be used for cheating. But how is WINE more suitable for cheating that Windows environment? It's online game with profiles on the server after all.

wine games

user2334

8:20 PM

@fbueckert FF13-2 was a DLC machine: if you haven't bought the DLC already, you're likely a write-off to Square-Enix

@MarkTrapp indeed. I've noticed we seem to disagree a bunch, I hope we're generally amicable towards each other, though.

@James this is the reputation league pages, by all-time rep, from what I understand.

@James at least that's the way it was done last time

Jin's indicated that they're going to try to do more pages this time, but I think it was preliminary and no guarantees.

@agent86 Oh nice! Thanks :)

IIRC they did it yearly or quarterly on GameDev to promote active participation instead of all time.. I dunno it was a while ago.. Are they really sending us original logo stickers though!? :)

@MarkTrapp Then I'm a writeoff; I won't be buying freaking armor for $5.

user2334

@fbueckert Most of the DLC was junk, but the battles were pretty good: I got a lot of hours out of them. The Sazh DLC was okay, not great; haven't gotten a chance to play the Snow or Lightning DLC yet.

One of these stupid iOS games was offering a single in game pet for $20. All it goes is give you money at set intervals like all the other pets

8:27 PM

@MarkTrapp I don't want to have to buy them piecemeal.

user2334

Whatever rocks your socks: I just think it's more likely they'll rerelease the game with some/all DLC included than bundle or discount the DLC by themselves

@MarkTrapp Probably. But I don't think the value was there; this is Squeenix's first real foray into DLC, and they had the same issue as horse armor.

user2334

Horse armor was a national treasure!

@MarkTrapp And was way overvalued!

I may have far too much disposable income, but I'm not going to reward a company by buying lackluster junk that's way overpriced.

8:50 PM

Y'know, Squeenix might actually have a point about not re-making FF7 until they make one that surpasses it.

I'm not saying it's the best FF I've ever played, but the general Internet consensus (ie. frothing fanboys) says it is.

If they re-make it, it will inevitably be derided and criticized, because it won't live up to the nostalgia that most have for it.

user2334

I tend to favor FF7 due to nostalgia, but the people who think FFX is the best can go to hell and die

I'm partial towards 6 and the last one on the PS2.

So by waiting until they make a "better" one, they let the internet focus on something else.

what was that? 12?

@MarkTrapp Personally, I still enjoy 5 the most.

@agent86 Yes.

8:52 PM

5's pretty solid too.

I really liked 10, but I have a soft spot for SNES era graphics.

13 was just the end for me. it's the only FF game I don't own a copy of.

I rented it and beat it and said "no" to ever thinking about or playing it again.

@fbueckert high five

5 > 8 > other

@StrixVaria I knew we got along for a reason!

There is a sub-ordering to "other" but I don't feel like thinking too much right now.

8:54 PM

Ordering FF's as to which was best is a week long argument.

That generally devolves into flaming, bickering, and outright ranting.

I'll just say 5 and 8 are the most memorable to me.

Thus my favorites.

Did you guys played the 6th ?

I kind of want to play through 5 again...

FF III / FF VI

@MarceloAssis I couldn't get into 6. I didn't like the locked-down class roles thing.

8:56 PM

@agent86 I rented 12 and said no after like 2 hours

@MarceloAssis 6th was my second favorite.

There wasnt classes

@BenBrocka 12 gets better, but not enough better.

The skill system for 5 was cool. Loved that. 6 had some crazy min-maxing going on, with the espers.

Ugh. I lost my save files in FF4 and 6.

8:56 PM

I hated 12 for the first few hours, then I only mildly disliked it until I stopped playing.

Oh, and I got stuck on Atmos on FF5. That fight was BS

user2334

I liked 12 until I used the Nibelwhatever macro thing to game the license grid.

All chars have their own unique skill ( steal, use tools, etc), but everyone could learn any magic... Sorry for telling something you already now... Its my favorite of all

7/8 were my favs, but I got into the series late

I have a US cart of 6 at home. May have to pop that in and play it again.

8:58 PM

I need help, I want to discover a game which I saw a guy playing in subway

@MarceloAssis Describe it.

I got the PSX discs for FF4-6 and Chrono Trigger, CT was the only one I completed

Was a 16 bit game like Zelda, but the hero could jump

I dont know if it's a game for SNES or Mega Drive

@MarceloAssis Overhead view? How was the aesthetic? What did the character/environment look like?

@BenBrocka CT is awesome.

They really need to make more time travelling RPGs.

9:00 PM

The guy was playing on a Dingoo

Yes, overhead like Zelda - A Link to the Past

I just though it was Zelda, but I noticed the GUI was in the botton of the screen

@RonanForman whats up with the youtube channel? If you guys have any new projects I should be able to participate

@MarceloAssis What's a Dingoo? I've never heard of that before.

Dingoo A320

The Dingoo A320 is a gaming handheld that supports music and video playback and open game development. The system features an on-board radio and recording program. It is available in two colors—white and black—with a third color, pink, announced for future release. It was released in February 2009. It has sold over 1 million units. Dingoo focuses on games and digital products, and is located in the Futian District, Shenzhen. Hardware Specifications * CPU Ingenic JZ4732 @ 336 MHz, underclocked from 360 MHz (clocks up to 433 MHz) (MIPS architecture) * RAM 32MB @ 112&...

@MarceloAssis Looks like half of a DS.

In size? Less than half

It's widelly used for emulation

9:07 PM

looks more like one of those GBA micro things

Blem

nn people

Fluttershy

Can you jump in Secret of Mana? Been a while since I've played that...

If the Dingoo is used for emulation... It's gonna be really hard to identify a game based on such a small description.

I saw a couple of dialog boxes, they were blue

Unfotunately, it's the only I know

@Fluttershy You could jump OFF cliffs. But I don't think you can jump at will.

It's not Secret of Mana

Q: How does Call of Duty multiplayer matchmaking work?

9:11 PM

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How does the matchmaking system work in Call of Duty games? Is it completely random with no accounting for player rank? Is it based on player rank? Is it based on a skill ranking of some kind such as kills to deaths ratio or most recent individual ranking in previous matches? It appears from ...

multiplayer call-of-duty

You could walk and jump between some floating plataforms

@MarceloAssis How many characters did you see?

If two, and one was a dog, it might be Secret of Evermore.

No, It's not

But I saw a pics of that game, seemed to be good

(now)

It most certainly is.

You'll have to give us more information if you want us to track it down.

We're good, but mind-reading is a closely held skill.

LOL

It's not mind reading... I'm googling for zelda-like games on Snes

But thanks anyway

Alok

9:22 PM

@fbueckert I'd be happy with just a graphics update and working hi-def; and for that matter some reasonable way to get a legal version for PC

Ronan Forman

@Ben If you want to do something get some people together, it's not my channel.

@fbueckert I found it!

Sterno

@MarceloAssis Now I want to play SNES Zelda again

@MarceloAssis there was also illusion of gaia, which was similar.

Brain Lord!

Sterno

9:25 PM

Nothing makes me happier than smashing pots and stealing rupies!

I'm willing to put aside my PS3 and play again a lot of old games, and discover anothe lot

Alok

@StrixVaria Wasn't 8 the one where enemies level up as you do; that was memorable for the wrong reasons as I tend to like early level up for an easier playthru :/

(my english sucks, I know)

@Alok That had very little impact for me.

@RonanForman Uhh like who? I know almost nothing about it

Ronan Forman

9:29 PM

Depends on what you want to do.

9:52 PM

@MarceloAssis If you like that, you should check out Terranigma.

Q: What Should I Upgrade - 10mil (NA) to spend

Hello Internet People

Please vote to close this terrible localized question fyi:

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I just finished Act1 inferno, and about to start Act2. I am thinking of gearing up my Wizard as I am doing significantly less damage then my friends. I read a post a while ago that wizards should be going crit dmg/chance so I decided to go that route. My other wizard friends are going +int/+ias a...

diablo-3 diablo-3-wizard

Thanks.

@OrigamiRobot Your question has been asked. Away, good sir, and answer!

Q: What Should I Upgrade - 10mil (NA) to spend

10:11 PM

-2

I just finished Act1 inferno, and about to start Act2. I am thinking of gearing up my Wizard as I am doing significantly less damage then my friends. I read a post a while ago that wizards should be going crit dmg/chance so I decided to go that route. My other wizard friends are going +int/+ias a...

diablo-3 diablo-3-wizard

spugsley

hi guys :)

The SE blogs were hacked and you should change your password if you used it anywhere else (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/138576/…)

9

Ian Pugsley

@MadScientist ouch, md5 + salt?

user2334

8-pass md5 + salt

@IanPugsley It's 8x md5 and salt, but unfortunately yes

user30

10:16 PM

oop

user30

hope that wasn't something left behind from when I ran the blog server.

user30

that timthumb vulnerability is very very old indeed

QAdley

Anyone know how passwords are hashed in wp?

@QAdley 8x md5 and salt

QAdley

@MadScientist Ew, md5

user30

10:20 PM

markmaunder.com/2011/08/01/…

Ronan Forman

I'd take being hacked as a complement.

user30

Meh, it's easy pickings.

user30

Google seems to suggest upwards of 1 million sites have been affected by people exploiting timthumb.

user2334

Just compile a list of WP installs and query timthumb.php

The Righthaven saga is not yet over

10:24 PM

@ThomasMcDonald That's one way to make a name in the WP developer community, damn you Tim

user30

Really lazy URL validation, it was just an oversight in development I guess.

user30

Albeit something that turned out to be a very large oversight.

user2334

desperately trying to hold back a rant about how WP encourages crappy security and development practices

user30

so er, out of interest

Here, Rant about a moronic and backwards local politician instead!

user30

10:29 PM

how long does it take to brute 8 md5 hashes?

user2334

@ThomasMcDonald A few hundred milliseconds

user30

if the source is a full hash?

A: what is the fastest and cheapest way to crack this kind of hash - md5(md5($password) + salt))?

@MarkTrapp I tend to just curse PHP, the one time I did actually write a Drupal module I spend more time cursing that damn language than actually writing the damn thing.

@ThomasMcDonald From a post on Security.SE, 500 million md5 hashes per second on a high end GPU, no idea how current that one was

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I do not have exactly the software you want. However: You can use any existing MD5 implementation and write the code which invokes it twice for all the potential passwords. See for instance sphlib; on my PC (Core2 x86, 2.4 GHz), this code should be able to evaluate more than 6 millions MD5 hash...

support blog blog-overflow

Woo! My very first closed question!

user30

A hash is what, lowercase alphanumerics? So 36 character set, 16 characters.

user2334

10:32 PM

@MadScientist At least with Drupal everything is abstracted and the learning curve tends to attract people who aren't code paste jockeys. I've looked at WP's code and how they encourage people to just include/require PHP files all over the place as a way to add functionality and backed away slowly

user2334

@ThomasMcDonald MD5 is a 128 bit hash. Alphanumerics are just visual representations of the hash.

user30

yeah, but it's easier for me to calculate in my head this way

user2334

MD5 is generally represented in hexadecimal, so 16 combinations: 0-9, a-f

QAdp

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Q: Stack Exchange Blogs Down

Some of our wordpress instances were exploited yesterday at 11 AM UTC. We noticed that the compromise had taken place today and took the blogs offline as soon as we noticed. We have since restored the wordpress files from backup* to a new set of servers. Using our logs we were able to identify th...

I'll be damned if I remember what password I was using there

user30

@MarkTrapp Yeah, I got it wrong.

A: What are all the endings of Facade and how do I find them?

10:35 PM

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Last night I played Facade and I sat down on the couch for about a minute while they were fighting. They both walked right in front of me and I stood up and I went into Trips face and it got a little messed up. When I went back to sit down I walked through the wall! There was a whole other room t...

This is crazily random

user30

So to brute 8 iterations, wouldn't it be 8*16^16?

user2334

To brute 8 iterations it's 8*2^128

user30

er, right

user2334

Assuming MD5 is a perfect, secure hash. Which it isn't

user30

Okay, I'm going to stop pretending I know very much about cryptanalysis and hashing. Wikipedia says it can broken in 2^~21.

user2334

10:39 PM

Yeah, it's that insecure :P

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz What.

user30

But that's for finding a collision. A collision is a different plaintext that results in the same hash, so wouldn't it be useless for multiple passes/anywhere that uses a different hash/number of hashes?

@FAE Marty Golden is a dumb old man.

Y'know, like most NY State Senators.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yyyyyyyeah

user30

oh shit, just realised one of the few sites where I do use that password

10:54 PM

Hey North Carolinians: Good Job!

@LessPop_MoreFizz You can change your vote, sure! But only if it doesn't change the outcome.

11:13 PM

[Ronald Reagan Riding a Velociraptor]deviantart.com/download/312025579/…

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Happy 4th of July

Q: Create a new Netstorm player with access to the whole tech tree

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I'm trying to introduce a friend to Netstorm, but it's a bit difficult to set up a multiplayer game because new players only have access to one or two buildings. We can't set up a fair match without giving him access to the full tech tree. Is there a way to cheat when creating a new player, so th...

multiplayer netstorm-islands-at-war

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Q: Is it possible to complete Rex Blade Level 9?

Rex Blade: The Battle Begins is a very old & rare FPS in the style of DOOM (Mobygames Link). I've recently gotten horribly stuck on level 9 (world 3 level 3), pretty close to the end of the first episode. To help jog your memory, this level starts out in a big outdoor scene surrounded by enem...

first-person-shooter

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Q: Are the chest level unlockables required for Platinum God?

In the most recent update after beating the most recent boss holding the Polaroid. You can unlock a special chest level which beaten by each character unlocks a new trinket. Are these items required for Platinum God?

binding-of-isaac wrath-of-the-lamb

user2334

11:24 PM

@ThomasMcDonald I just tested WP 3.4.1's hashing algorithm: takes ~0.02 seconds to generate the hash for a password on my Mac Mini (2.66 GHz Core 2 Duo).

user2334

Actually, faster: 0.016 seconds

user2334

Assuming both cores are used and no other optimizations (unlikely), that's 125 hashes a second.

Sterno

@BenBrocka I would watch that movie.

@LessPop_MoreFizz LOFnL

There's a new Gemcraft game (2 months ago, but I didn't know about it). There goes my entire day off.

11:33 PM

Yet another?

kongregate.com/games/gameinabottle/gemcraft-labyrinth

user2334

That's way older than 2 months

Oh wow that's 1 year 2 months.

Whoops. Dates.

Still, I just found it and thus my day off is gone.

Yawus

Yo.

UQAllulloo

@Yawus Howdy.

Yawus

11:43 PM

So... anybody play League here? That chat room's empty, I just finished a game, and I feel like bragging.

Q: Canadian purchased Diablo 3 game back to Europe

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I currently live in Canada but I am moving back to Europe in about half a year. Can I take my Canadian purchased Diablo 3 game back to Europe and play it there without any problems? Thanks

diablo-3

UQAllulloo

@Yawus I do some. @StrixVaria did until D3 came out. :P

@UQAllulloo I stopped well before that.

user2334

League of Legends more like Verbal Abuse Simulator 3000 amirite

2

@MarkTrapp /s/simulator/stimulator.

11:56 PM

BTW check out the details on the full sized Reagan Raptor pic. The MP7 says "Gipper" on it and the saddle has a DARE sticker on it. The Raptor has Property of The United States tattooed on it

UQAllulloo

@BenBrocka I want to set that as my background...