English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

KitFox

3:00 PM

Shit. Gotta go. Meeting. Later!

Matt Эллен

cya!

Mahnax

ƕ!

Matt Эллен

what kinda crazy ligature is that?

Mahnax

I don't know. ɔ

Matt Эллен

:D

Mahnax

3:01 PM

Lemonsᵓ!

Matt Эллен

Armenian capital letter xeh: Խ

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Hwair

Hwair (also ', ', ') is the name of , the Gothic letter expressing the or sound (reflected in English by the inverted wh-spelling). Hwair is also the name of the Latin ligature . Name The name of the Gothic letter is recorded by Alcuin in Codex Vindobonensis 795 as uuaer. The meaning of the name ' was probably "cauldron, pot" (cf. ' "skull"). There was no Elder Futhark rune for the phoneme, so that unlike those of most Gothic letters, the name does not continue the name of a rune (but see qairþra). Sound Gothic ' is the reflex of Common Germanic *, which in turn continues the Indo...

Matt Эллен

shape catcher is useful!

Mahnax

ֆ
ARMENIAN SMALL LETTER FEH
Unicode: U+0586, UTF-8: D6 86

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Shape catcher is wrong.

Mahnax

3:03 PM

⒓

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Futhark you, man.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 nuhuh

it says hwair too

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well what else does it say? The Japanese N? rolls eyes

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Na ni nu ne NO!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I don't carry the ΒВB in my suffix for no reason, you know.

Matt Эллен

3:04 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 considering they don't look a like, I'd say no :Þ

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 BBB = Better Bullshit Bureau

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

This doesn't look alike?

Surely you jest.

Matt Эллен

it looks less alike than the xeh

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

You look less alike than the xeh.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 The difference is, Japanese n is not straight up and down. You have to put in the slant.

Mahnax

3:06 PM

ƕ
LATIN SMALL LETTER HV
Unicode: U+0195, UTF-8: C6 95

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto contrary to popular belief, Armenians are allowed to write with a slant.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Not on my watch, buster.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto the first one is indeed a Beta, but the second one is Vullshit at best.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I'm surprised we agree.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Today is the International Surprised That We Agree Day.

It will be over soon, don't worry.

Robusto

3:08 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Not soon enough.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I disagree.

Robusto

You have that luxury. You're at GMT-1. I'm at GMT+5.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

No I don't. No I aren't. No you isn't.

Robusto

You are wrong. And bad. And I'm good. So there.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Clearly that's not there, but here.

Robusto

3:15 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Here is included in there.

You get it for free.

Matt Эллен

abomination!

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Actually, maybe I got my plusae's and minusae's reversed.

I blame it on England. They're the ones who invented Greenwich.

Matt Эллен

I blame your poor education

Robusto

@MattЭллен Might've been bad, but it wasn't poor. It cost a lot of money.

Matt Эллен

my mistake!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:21 PM

Barrie invented Greenwich?

He's older than I thunk.

Gigili

Heylo.

Who's older than what?

Mahnax

I'm older than all of you combined.

I'm not fifteen, but rather 1.5 × 10⁹.

Matt Эллен

The sun is older than me

Gigili

I see. Poor Mahnax. But Reg is still older than you, I presume.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Father to sun.

aedia λ

3:26 PM

It's father to the sun than to where now?

Gigili

Yes.

Matt Эллен

@Gigili the OED doesn't say. They're both from Old English

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@aediaλ 9000 is than seven.

0

A: Boilt or boiled

No; to the Boilt, Parboiled is the way ahead, then cooked, then buggered.

Gigili

@MattЭллен Pah, I expected as much.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I no get answer. What is grammar?

Matt Эллен

3:29 PM

lol, wTf

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Is wTf name of grammar?

Thx u

Matt Эллен

np

n e teim

Gigili

According to QED, grammar is someone who grams.

Mahnax

Oops, I accidentally changed my Russian e-mail layout to English.

Now I understand it, but that's not the point.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Qed is so passé.

Robusto

3:33 PM

@Mahnax Too late. You've already emailed all your passwords to a location inside Russia.

Mahnax

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 what different that and old——fashioned ?

@Robusto Oh noes!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto yeah right. That's what they would have you believe, that there are locations inside Russia. Pffft, my gullible friend. Pffft.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 You mean ... all locations are outside Russia?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well are you seeing any locations that are not?

Robusto

Damn.

0

Q: You can contact John, Jane or me (myself) for more information

In a conversation, how is is correct to say: You can contact John, Jane or me for more information ... or You can contact John, Jane or myself for more information ...

grammar

I don't think John, Jane, or you (yourself) have any information for me.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:46 PM

A common misbelief.

Matt Эллен

She prefers "working class"

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Perhaps you're just thinking of all the wrong Johns and Janes.

Robusto

All of them are wrong.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I knew you were going to reference G. I. Jane.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:49 PM

Well I still have one medal left somewhere.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 This is an example of why John is wrong:

►

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Will he sing?

I'm afraid to click.

Matt Эллен

yes :(

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Be afraid. Be very afraid.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Attorney Generals should be prosecuted for singing.

Jez

3:52 PM

20

A: Is "my wife and I's" correct, or should it be "my wife's and my"?

Short answer Yes, this argument does have a basis in linguistic fact, which is why some people do it in the first place, but that doesn't mean it must be correct in Standard English (and it isn't). Longer Answer This argument does hold water in the linguistic sense. "My wife and I" is, in fac...

wow, I disagree with Kosmo's answer

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

In fact no one should be allowed to become an Attorney General if he is capable of singing.

Jez

"My wife and I's" sounds more acceptable to me than "My wife's and my", which just sounds weird

My wife's and my dinner

cornbread ninja

morning, morning crew

Matt Эллен

how about My wife and pie?

Jez

My wife's pie and my

Matt Эллен

3:53 PM

Would you like my wife and pie dinner?

cornbread ninja

snert

I had another look, and I had a cup of tea and a butter pie

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Jez he never said "sounds more acceptable to Jez". He said "accepted as a standard", qualifying that with a "chosen somewhat arbitratily". You are imagining disagreement where there is none.

Matt Эллен

butter pie sounds incredibly unhealthy

Robusto

Jay-Z

Shawn Corey Carter (born December 4, 1969), better known by his stage name Jay-Z, is an American rapper, songwriter, record producer, entrepreneur, and occasional actor. He is one of the most financially successful hip hop artists and entrepreneurs in America, having a net worth of over $450 million as of 2011.He has sold approximately 50 million albums worldwide, while receiving fourteen Grammy Awards for his musical work, and numerous additional nominations. He is consistently ranked as one of the greatest rappers of all-time. He was ranked #1 by MTV in their list of The Greatest...

Our next Attorney General. Obama promised.

Jez

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I don't agree that it's accepted as a standard. Would you ever say "My wife's and my dinner is tonight"?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

3:55 PM

Of course.

But that's irrelevant. He didn't say it's accepted by me, either.

Robusto

Word.

Matt Эллен

I say it all the time. Except I don't have a wife, so I say "My dinner is tonight"

Jez

I wouldn't; it parses very badly. "My wife's" sounds like there's an implied noun, and "my dinner" seems like its own unit

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@MattЭллен Your life is full of ellipsae's.

Jez

"My wife and I's" separates much more naturally into its own unit

Matt Эллен

3:56 PM

it is quite empty, yes

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Sorry, ellipsisae's.

@Jez which is why people do it in the first place, yes. I remember reading about that.

Jez

which is why? why not though?

it's more "logical" than the former

eg. you don't say "John's and Jane's dinner"

Matt Эллен

why not?

Jez

why?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Jez Kosmo's answer mentions that, too.

Matt Эллен

3:58 PM

well, I don't because I don't know a couple called john and jane

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Seriously, are you just going to agree with his answer bit by bit? There must be a shortcut.

Jez

@RegDwight erm, the bit I disagreed with was that the double use of the possessive was standard

say that to me and I'll think you're a non-native

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Regardless, that's what they teach at schools.

Jez

not my school

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Then you're lucky.

People keep asking about Ben's and Jerry's all the time, too.

cornbread ninja

4:00 PM

really? -_-

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

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Q: Preferred way to apostrophise in case of dual or multiple ownership by distinct entities

Consider describing the wedding of X and Y. If I want to avoid the overly-formal and poor-flowing "wedding of", it is more correct to say "X and Y's wedding" or "X's and Y's wedding"? I acknowledge a very similar question has already been asked: What possessive forms are used for mutual 1st per...

possessive apostrophe

I do wonder, haven't people ever heard of Ben and Jerry's? This is really a basic question if you shop for ice cream once in a while. — RegDwight ΒВBẞ8 Apr 28 at 14:53

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I have only heard of Ben & Jerry's icecream thanks to a TED talk by Seth Godin. Apart from that I've simply never seen it. — Lisa Apr 30 at 7:20

There you have it. People don't eat ice cream.

Matt Эллен

it's true

only dogs eat icecream

Jez

well, I don't know about your dialect but the fact is that in mine, NP's is way more common than N's and N's

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I am sure your dialect has a whole number of features Standard English does not.

cornbread ninja

ooh, Thursagen

Jez

4:03 PM

wot-evah

cornbread ninja

what is your dialect, Jez?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

And Kosmo would be the last one to defend Standard English and ignore dialects.

Jez

RP, pretty much

different to you and Reg's :-)

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I don't have a dialect. I have an idiolect.

Jez

to be fair I would use the double possessive there for some reason

Matt Эллен

4:04 PM

it's the magic of language

it stops making sense when you think about it

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

It doesn't stop. It never starts.

cornbread ninja

I wonder if it has anything to do with his and hers

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 except, I can understand you, so it must make some sense!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@MattЭллен I make sense to you? I take offense!

Matt Эллен

I am offended that you are offended

Does "I am [x] that you are [y]" only work when x is an emotion?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

4:08 PM

You make no sense, I make no sense,
it seems it's been that way forever.
So if you make no sense, and I make no sense,
why not not make sense together?

Matt Эллен

awwww, that's sweet of you to say :)

cornbread ninja

stop making sense

@Matt, seemingly

Matt Эллен

hmmm

cornbread ninja

I am blue that you are gone

Matt Эллен

so, that is acting like because but only when talking about an emotion

cornbread ninja

4:11 PM

ugh, time for work field trip.

cornbread out

Matt Эллен

cu

cornbread ninja

be excellent to each other

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Oh crap, it's that late already

Matt Эллен

it is

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well I gotta run, then.

Matt Эллен

4:11 PM

it could be later, but it's not yet

CU2

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Laters.

Jez

@cornbreadninja Stop being abysmal

JSBᾶngs

4:24 PM

let's move here

KitFox

OK.

So. ASP.net chart controls. I just guess which types are compatible?

Matt Эллен

4:41 PM

I'm afraid I've not used one.

how are they incompatible?

0

Q: Word to describe the state of being a woman

Is there a word to describe the state of being a woman?

single-word-requests

is that woman?

KitFox

Female?

Feminine?

Wants to engage in sexual relations with me?

Matt Эллен

isn't that "the state of being human"?

KitFox

is it? (she asks with false modesty)

Cerberus

Haha.

No comment.

Matt Эллен

:D

KitFox

5:02 PM

Even three-headed dogs want me.

JSBᾶngs

i am getting the weirdest trolling over at my blog

KitFox

It's not me!

Jez

trivia: what does CSD stand for in Microsoft's CSDVersion registry setting? No Googling. Hint: it determines which service pack you have installed.

KitFox

Common Standards Duh

JSBᾶngs

> It’s clear now why westerners are so uneducated. You study only inferior savage speak like hebrew. Only spoken in the ottoman empire, by the Jews and Muslims. Who are notoriously unskilled with european languages.

> You do not “create” languages. You create scripts, attribute sounds to them, and pretend like you’re original, and baptise it a “new language”. When in fact it’s just a hybrid of all the languages and expressions you learned.

> I did create over 5 languages. Original, with their own unique scripts and unique sounds. All you did is misscombine some random letters into random patterns and say them with a weird accent.

Jez

5:12 PM

We invent googols of cromulent words.

KitFox

Wow. That is weird.

Is that the same guy who was trolling you before?

JSBᾶngs

yep

he comments on everything i do now

today's examples are especially weird, though

KitFox

Can't you block his IP or something?

Monica

Hello

JSBᾶngs

i could, but he amuses me. i go back and forth on whether or not it's worth it

> Eventive verbs: you should have been original especially with those. I would give you examples, but I feel it would be way over your head to even understand them.

KitFox

5:16 PM

Haha. It is rather funny.

> System.ArgumentException: Not a legal OleAut date.

What the hell is that?

I've never even heard of that.

JSBᾶngs

You're passing it a bad date somewhere

KitFox

Yeah, I guess so.

Jez

Why is Kit suddenly into all this programming?

KitFox

What?

I've been programming since forever.

Matt Эллен

wish me luck!

Jez

5:18 PM

you didn't talk about it before

KitFox

@MattЭллен Good luck!

Jez

@MattЭллен with what

KitFox

5:32 PM

Stoopid charts!

Monica

Hello, could anyone help me please?

Jez

@Monica what with?

Monica

I can't find one of my posts

KitFox

On EL&U?

Monica

My post was closed, I can't find it now

yes

Jez

5:34 PM

@Monica english.stackexchange.com/users/17801/monica

try there

or english.stackexchange.com/users/17801/monica?tab=questions

Monica

do moderators delete closed posts?

KitFox

Not always.

JSBᾶngs

@Monica sometimes. depends on what it was.

KitFox

What are you looking for?

Monica

NO

:(

I am looking for my post

KitFox

5:35 PM

Which post, dearie?

Monica

suitable words for my sentences

or something like that

:(

I didn't know they delete them

KitFox

english.stackexchange.com/questions/67194/…

You can't see it though.

It's deleted because it is off-topic.

Jez

well it aint deleted, it's hidden

KitFox

What did you want it for?

Monica

how can I find it?

KitFox

5:38 PM

I gave you the link above.

Monica

I need those sentences

KitFox

"I had to choose most suitable words in these sentences, could you check them? In almost each of them I think that all the options are correct.

This translation will be fiished/done/made in a few days.(I think all the three are possible) Will this work be done/finished/made next week?(Same here) The captives were led in/into/to a huge/large hall.(Maybe to will be better?) We were sent in/into/to the laboratory two days ago.(I think only to is correct) Very beautiful women's bags are made/produced/done at this factory.(All the three are possible, but I am not sure)"

Monica

Oh, thank you very much

:)

I will copy and save it

:)

but it doesn't show the whole post

KitFox

That's all of the text.

Monica

'but I am not sure' are the last words, right?

I don't rember my post, myself

KitFox

5:44 PM

Well, it looks like your "Thanks" was edited out.

Monica

I am supposed to, I know

but the phrases are not missing, are they?

KitFox you saved me

:)

KitFox

You're welcome.

Monica

where are you from? If I may know

Are you sure nothing else got edited out?

KitFox

I live in the northeastern US.

I am sure nothing else got edited out.

Monica

Glad to hear that

It has always my dream to live in the US

Hope my dream will come true soon

KitFox

5:50 PM

Where are you now?

Monica

In Georgia

KitFox

Oh. Far, far away.

Monica

I remember when I was little I put all my toys in a bag and told myself that I was going to America

KitFox

Well, it's not all that exciting here.

Monica

I was 6 maybe even smallet

maybe not

but I don't want to live anywhere else

KitFox

5:53 PM

Georgia looks like the western US with all those rugged mountains.

I bet it is warmer there too.

Mitch

@KitFox It's not bad though. some parts are fine some aren't, travel takes forever. It's not like the movies at all though. Except Vegas. Vegas in real life goes beyond the movies.

Monica

Oh, I love mountains

Mitch

Oh. You don't have them in Georgia?

Monica

have what?

Mitch

mountains?

Monica

5:54 PM

Yes, lots of

but no ocean :( of course