The Upper Room - 2012-05-02

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A: We need a name for our chat room

The Upper Room Explanation: this is the famous room where the church started with the arrival of The Holy Spirit. I was looking for a place where Christians were together, this seemed a well known candidate.

We can always change it if popular momentum takes a radical shift and another option gets some upvotse, but with the closest competitor being 1/3 of the votes, this looked like it was either going to win out or drag on forever, so i've taken the liberty of running with this name for the time being.

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Doubting Thomas

1:01 PM

@Caleb hurray for cool names! :D

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1:13 PM

Well, I'm happy with the name...

Doubting Thomas

@Wikis same, as long as we can actually keep good conversations going in here

library-specific chat rooms on SO get more attention than we do here sometimes...

Alright, everyone who's got an apostle's name but it using some sort of pseudonym, change to reveal your apostolic name now

@DoubtingThomas: thx!

@DoubtingThomas I don't, but both my boys do :)

Doubting Thomas

1:34 PM

@waxeagle ah, nice! using my super-psychic skills i'm going to randomly guess.... Peter and James?

@DoubtingThomas well done ser :)

Doubting Thomas

@waxeagle whoa seriously?

@DoubtingThomas yep. odds are in your favor, very common boys names :)

Doubting Thomas

@waxeagle true, but to pick the right combination of 2 from 12 is 1/(12*11)

so depending on how you set up the odds, they can either be largely in my favor or massively opposing me :)

weren't there two James'?

Doubting Thomas

1:48 PM

@waxeagle I think it depends on the translation

sometimes there's two Judas'es

@DoubtingThomas ah... that's interesting, is that a transliteration issue?

Doubting Thomas

@waxeagle quite possibly; i'm not sure.

Hermeneutics question, perhaps?

Matthew:
Peter, Andrew, James & John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James bar Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon "the Zealot", and Judas Iscariot

Mark:
Peter, Andrew, James & John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James bar Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon "the Zealot", Judas Iscariot

so Matthew & Mark agree, at least.

Luke:
Peter, Andrew, James & John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James bar Alphaeus, **Judas bar James**, Simon "the Zealot", Judas Iscariot

so evidently Thaddaeus == Judas son of James

Acts:
Peter, Andrew, James & John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James bar Alphaeus, Judas bar James, Simon "the Zealot",

so there's always two James's, and depending on your translation you can get two Judases as well

Thaddaeus -> Judas could be two sides of the greek/aramaic coin. That'd be my guess

Doubting Thomas

@waxeagle I suspect you're right.

2:04 PM

Jude the Apostle

:For Thaddeus of Edessa also known as Addai / Mar Addai, see Thaddeus of Edessa Jude was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus. He is generally identified with Thaddeus, and is also variously called Jude of James, Jude Thaddaeus, Judas Thaddaeus or Lebbaeus. He is sometimes identified with Jude, "brother of Jesus", but is clearly distinguished from Judas Iscariot, another disciple, the betrayer of Jesus. The Armenian Apostolic Church honors Thaddeus along with Saint Bartholomew as its patron saints. In the Roman Catholic Church he is the patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes....

Doubting Thomas

Strong's says "Judas" or "Jude" originates from the Hebrew; whereas (I'm guessing) "Thaddaeus" is the Greek.

Oh, and according to Matthew "Thaddeus" is a surname

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3:11 PM

@DoubtingThomas what about Matthew = Levi in Mark?

Doubting Thomas

@PeterTurner ah yes, there's that too

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4:20 PM

@DoubtingThomas I think you can cross off Judas and Thaddaeus as possibilities. Bartholomew is also quite unlikely for children named this century. So you have 7 choices.

(8 if you include Levi.)

Order doesn't matter, so I think the odds are 1/7 + 1/6.

Doubting Thomas

4:45 PM

@JonEricson realist. :P

@DoubtingThomas At least I resisted the temptation to track down the odds for each individual name to include in my calculations.

Doubting Thomas

@JonEricson yes, true.

Oops. I didn't count Simon (the Zealot).

Doubting Thomas

In reality my guess wasn't really based on statistics, it was sort of a gut feeling. @wax's picture just sort of oozed Peter and Jamesness. Like I said, i'm totally psychic.

Should ideas for blog topics be tossed around in here or the Eschewmenical room?

@DoubtingThomas either is fine, although posted on the meta post is best.

Doubting Thomas

4:52 PM

@waxeagle okay. I'll post on meta once I develop it more.

On a general note, a series of questions to accompany blog posts would be really cool

(community wiki, if desired)

@DoubtingThomas but you can certainly develop that topic in here

Doubting Thomas

@waxeagle righto.

so idea #1 is that the blog authors could post a question to accompany their posts

or the blogroom

Doubting Thomas

so if the post is "The goal of the church", in addition to a blog post there could be a question posted: "what is the goal of the church?"

@DoubtingThomas idealy its the reverse, we have a good question, or series of questions that should be fleshed out and they spawn a blog post

Doubting Thomas

4:56 PM

@waxeagle ahh good point

@waxeagle why are completed suggestions deleted from the suggestions post? Because we only want a list of ideas for use instead of an archive of covered topics?

@DoubtingThomas yes, and so the top of the list is apparent.

5:12 PM

@DoubtingThomas I think this (or something like it) is really important. I'm going to bring it up in the "blogroom'' ---->

Doubting Thomas

@JonEricson like @waxeagle said, sometimes the questions are asked first... but sometimes we need to start the ball rolling!

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