The Nineteenth Byte

Adám

22:10

@ZacharyT ?

TheWanderer

@CensoredUsername your username gave my JSON parsing quite some trouble lol

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer What why would that make your JSON parser break

TheWanderer

working on an Android client for SE chat

since there's no API, we need to pull things manually

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer It's called a WebView and excessive custom CSS :P

TheWanderer

>_>

ASCII-only

22:13

@TheWanderer Yes there is it's called WebSockets

TheWanderer

which also means wrapping the JSON keys I pull in quotes

and one of those keys happens to be name

Downgoat

Question: are all GTX 1070 cards the same except for fans/manafacturer

TheWanderer

which means I was doing .replace("name", "\"name\"")

@Downgoat probably

but then again...

they might have different types of RAM

and slightly different clock speeds

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer JSON.stringify is a thing you know

Also JS injection

TheWanderer

yeah I know

it's what I'm using

really doesn't like weird JSON

ASCII-only

22:16

What

JSON.parse is also a thing

WebSockets use normal JSON that work perfectly fine with those functions

Zachary T

It was a CMC from a message below an instance of you pinging me.

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only whatever SE is using is not normal

it's actually part of a JS script

ASCII-only

brb getting websocket insprctor

ATaco

I heard talking about websocket, whattup?

TheWanderer

hell in WebSocketry

ASCII-only

22:23

@TheWanderer What makes you so sure

ATaco

Also, most of chatSE isn't handled by the websocket

TheWanderer

because I'm literally loading the web page, parsing the data with Jsoup by selecting script elements and then substringing out what I want

ATaco

The websocket only seems to inform the client of new messages

ASCII-only

@ATaco wdym

Zachary T

Speaking of hell, anyone know what this is?:

ASCII-only

22:24

@TheWanderer >_> what are you trying to do

ATaco

New messages, edits, deletions, etc. are all handled by an incredibly poorly documented API

TheWanderer

there's no API remember? @ASCII-only

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer ... You can use the websocket

Zachary T

ATaco

There is, it's just undocumented, and terrible

TheWanderer

22:24

@ASCII-only for current users?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer current users?

TheWanderer

the users in the room right now

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer what do you mean by that are you trying to login to the current users' chat lol

TheWanderer

no o_O

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer idk what you're asking but it handles all chat data transfer

TheWanderer

22:26

getting their info, like rep, last talked, etc

ATaco

well, about that

TheWanderer

I have to load the list of current users

it all works now

ATaco

Honestly this chat is implemented rather poorly

2

ASCII-only

idk if you can do it headlessly though

@TheWanderer oh that? that's easy to get, crawl their page or use js

@ATaco now really

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only Jesus Christ, that's what I'm doing! xD

ASCII-only

22:28

@TheWanderer then seriously just use JSON.stringify before passing back to Java

ATaco

"I am Typing" also crawls their page for their name.

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only like I said, I'm pretty sure I am, and if I'm not, I definitely tried it

Destructible Lemon

hi

TheWanderer

eek a mod

totallyhuman

hi

TheWanderer

22:29

and a lemon

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer also >_> are you seriously crawling pages clientside

ATaco

I can't find a better way to get this information, the js is an overcompressed mess

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only literally no choice

ASCII-only

@ATaco well it's compressed for a reason?

@TheWanderer ...

seriously the js isn't hard to reverse engineer

TheWanderer

yeah I'm using regex to match what I want

ASCII-only

22:30

you can even jse JQuery instead

@TheWanderer ew

ATaco

It took me a couple of hours to work out how edits are handled

ASCII-only

dies

@ATaco >_> because you don't use JS often?

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only Alright, you find a better way :D

totallyhuman

stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/7946314 applies here

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer well really just iterating through online users and doing .click() and taking the data from there is faster

ATaco

22:31

Because it's handled by a push request to an only barely relevant API with incredibly vaguely named references

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only since everything's already done and functional with user info, I think not

ASCII-only

@ATaco well yeah the chat API isn't supposed to be used by third parties

TheWanderer

it needs to be

ATaco

^

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer but it's like 100000% faster

Zachary T

22:32

@ASCII-only What do you mean, like running a script from the console or something?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer ?

Adám

@LuisMendo Phew, that took a while to get right.

ASCII-only

@ZacharyT this is android, there is no console, you need to use JS injection

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Zachary T

Would an Iframe in an HTML/CSS/JS REPL work (even if it's hacky As F***)

ASCII-only

22:33

@TheWanderer found the user ajax request

totallyhuman

@NewBountiesWithNoDeadlines what feed are you? o0

ASCII-only

https://chat.stackexchange.com/users/thumbs/147199?showUsage=true&_=1498084402306

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only maybe we'll implement better things later, but right now we actually have to get the message part working

Destructible Lemon

@totallyhuman the clue is in the name

ASCII-only

just change user id and thing to time

@TheWanderer why not just put chat in a WebView

TheWanderer

22:34

because that's stupid

people might as well use Chrome

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer seriously you just need to JSON.parse that

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only everything I need is already in the JSON!

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer ?

TheWanderer

the poorly formatted JSON inside the JS script inside the chat HTML

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer what. there is no poorly formatted JSON

TheWanderer

22:36

yes there is

Adám

Any ideas how to represent any APL array as JSON?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer if you mean the JSON in the source then well there is no JSON in source

TheWanderer

also, what is that 147199? Isn't the room ID 240?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer user id for user data

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only oh yes there is

ASCII-only

22:37

@TheWanderer those are JS objects not JSON then

poorly formatted JSON is not JSON at all, it's JS

TheWanderer

            SERVER_TIME_OFFSET = 1498083086 - (new Date()).getTime() / 1000;
            $(function() {
                if (!CHAT.RoomUsers) {
                    $("#loading-message").empty().html("<span style='color:#a00000'>Cannot start chat</span> because your browser has loaded an outdated JavaScript file.<br/><br>Please <b>reload this page</b> to ensure you have up-to-date data.")
                    return;
                }
                var chat = StartChat({
                    sound: {

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer That is not JSON

TheWanderer

what is it

ASCII-only

That's a JS object

TheWanderer

can I convert?

without replacing things manually?

ASCII-only

22:38

@TheWanderer Why are you even trying to automatically convert >_>

Also you don't even need most of that if you're not using the chat API

TheWanderer

I substring just the part that looks like JSON

ASCII-only

just open a WebSocket -> magic

@TheWanderer ew pls don't pls rewrite

TheWanderer

I do

Zachary T

@Adám I have no clue. You'd have to represent multidimensional arrays, and arrays within arrays.

TheWanderer

nothing you can do about it

ASCII-only

22:39

@TheWanderer what

TheWanderer

unless you submit a PR :3

ok I really need to go back to working on this

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer i could do that but i'd probably end up rewriting the entire thing >_>

Anonymous

JSON.stringify(obj)

Adám

@ZacharyT Yeah, the rest of the world (non-APL & J) do not have both the concept of depth and the concept of rank.

ASCII-only

@ZacharyT what JSON is always a valid JS object, JS objects can be valid JSON if you want

TheWanderer

22:40

@Mego I can do that for JS object?

Anonymous

Yep

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer Yes

TheWanderer

hmmmmm

Zachary T

{a:2} vs. {"a":2}

Anonymous

And to get the object back, you do JSON.parse(str)

TheWanderer

22:40

so that's to convert JSO to JSON?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer Yes (JSON.stringify)

TheWanderer

hmm

I'll play with it later

Zachary T

Sorry, had a complete brainfart.

ASCII-only

you what

Anonymous

JSON.stringify takes an object and returns a string. JSON.parse takes a string and returns an object.

TheWanderer

22:41

it means a derp

ASCII-only

literally just JSON.stringify the substring -> magic perfectly valid JSON

TheWanderer

@Mego a JSON object or a JS object?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer JS, JSON is the string

TheWanderer

oh

ok

lemme work on this other thing first though

Anonymous

@TheWanderer Object means JS objects. There is no "JSON object" - it's a string containing JSON.

TheWanderer

22:42

I'm not exactly a JSON expert :p

ASCII-only

>_> why are you even doing this then

TheWanderer

it's with 2 other people

ASCII-only

you need some js people

TheWanderer

we wanted to make a ChatSE/SO client with notifications and such

Zachary T

@Adám, you could do something like this: { dimensions: int[], values: any[] }

TheWanderer

22:43

@ASCII-only wanna join?

Anonymous

How do you pronounce JSON?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer ok

TheWanderer

I need your GH username

and you'll need Android Studio 3.0 Canary

Anonymous

@TheWanderer There's several excellent libraries/clients already written for that purpose

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer somebody1234

TheWanderer

22:43

thanks

@ASCII-only just don't change anything quite yet

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer What why canary

Adám

@ZacharyT Very cool. I think you just suggested exactly the same as our CXO did today.

TheWanderer

we're building for 26 and taking advantage of some of the cool features in Gradle 3 and 26

Zachary T

LOL. It's actually that simple.

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer you are keeping compatibility right? >_>

Mendeleev

22:45

Hangouts transparent UI is back!!

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer yes

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only down to 15

invite sent

Anonymous

@TheWanderer You may want to look at ChatExchange for JS, or the other ChatExchange for Python.

Adám

@ZacharyT No actually, it was our CTO who suggested { "shape" : [3, 4], "data" : [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12] }

Mendeleev

@Mego Anything like that for Ruby?

TheWanderer

22:46

@Mego ehh

Anonymous

@Mendeleev I have no idea

Anonymous

Art would be the person who would know, I think

TheWanderer

ArtOfCode?

ASCII-only

@Adám nested arrays (+ shape) wouldn't work/would be too slow or something?

@TheWanderer yeah

Adám

@ZacharyT CXO said: [{"⍴":[3,4]},[[1,2,3,4],[5,6,7,8],[9,10,11,12]]]

TheWanderer

22:47

ah

Zachary T

Yeah, how would functions and operators and objects be represented?

Mendeleev

@ArtOfCode

Adám

@ASCII-only Nesting would be done with JSON nesting, only rank would need the special treatment.

ASCII-only

Wait what ArtOfCode is pingable

Zachary T

@Adám That just doesn't look good.

Mendeleev

22:47

yeah will get an email in 15 minutes

Anonymous

@ASCII-only Yeah, he hangs out in here from time to time.

Anonymous

He's active on SE right now (squashing spam in Charcoal HQ)

ASCII-only

>_> this is also called ChatExchange

Zachary T

This would work too. {"rank":Integer,"data":<nested array, like the array would be in other languages>}

Luis Mendo

@Adám Do you mean my answer? Well, it was fun. Explaining it was a little more tiresome :-)

ASCII-only

22:49

oh god

@TheWanderer pls. use git submodules

TheWanderer

wat r those

ASCII-only

O_o

Adám

@LuisMendo No, I mean it took some time for me to write an APL solution. ⌺ is brand new, so I don't have much experience with it.

Anonymous

@Mendeleev That had better not be a bot.

Mendeleev

Nope

ASCII-only

22:50

@TheWanderer use submodules for SlidingMenu and colorpicker pls so it's like 100000000000x easier to update

Luis Mendo

@Adám Oh, I can imagine. I just saw. BTW there's a typo "teh"

Zizouz212

@ASCII-only Sorry, I've taken him away.

ASCII-only

@Zizouz212 what did you do D:

Zizouz212

Everything.

Anonymous

@Mendeleev Use the Sandbox for testing, not here.

Adám

22:51

@LuisMendo Ah well, I'm human. Too little to warrant redoing the links.

TheWanderer

@ASCII-only oh you mean the compile in Gradle? That will work for colorpicker, but SlidingMenu hasn't been updated in 3 years, and I've changed a lot in it

Anonymous

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Luis Mendo

@Adám When I saw this challenge I thought it would get more upvotes

Zachary T

@ASCII-only <insert look of disapproval-meme-status-face here>

totallyhuman

I am most definitely not a bot

ASCII-only

22:52

@TheWanderer no i mean for the repo

@TheWanderer pls make it a separate repo at least

TheWanderer

oh

totallyhuman

I am totally human

TheWanderer

idk how

@totallyhuman >_>

Zachary T

<_<

Adám

@LuisMendo I like the fact that you can't just use Mathematica's CellularAutomaton.

Zachary T

22:53

Hey, ArtOfCode is here

Anonymous

Let's not do ASCII face spam.

TheWanderer

eek

Luis Mendo

@Adám "io delenda est"?

ASCII-only

@TheWanderer you what seriously

Zachary T

Hey, ASCII face spam is better than Unicode face spam.

ArtOfCode

22:54

@Mendeleev no, there isn't, because websockets are a pain in the ass in Ruby

Mendeleev

@ArtOfCode thanks :(

Zachary T

WTF?

Mendeleev

@ZacharyT what

TheWanderer

Mego must be having a stroke with all this ASCII

Zizouz212

lol

ArtOfCode

22:56

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'sploded

TheWanderer

yipe

Zizouz212

Ghosts will haunt this room.

Adám

@LuisMendo Yeah, the model was written by Roger who firmly believes that ⎕IO should always be 0, as is the case in J (his background).

Stack Exchange App Test

Yep

Zizouz212

sigh I'll just wait... -_-

ArtOfCode

22:57

→ 3 messages moved to Trash

Adám

@StackExchangeAppTest Who and what are you?

ArtOfCode

time to stop with the ascii now

TheWanderer

can we GIF?

Stack Exchange App Test

I am @Mendeleev's testing and bot account

Zachary T

How can we stop ASCII? THis is ascii.

Zizouz212

22:58

All of you are rather interesting...

ArtOfCode

@ZacharyT take the point

TheWanderer

who's wat

Mendeleev

My old username

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