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2:06 PM
Frick, I came up with a storyline on my way to work while thinking of the "fragment of the weapon" thing. And I really want to share this with my DM, but I worry that I'm spending way too much time creating plot points and storylines ahead of time.
I really should start DMing.
 
@Yuuki as former and current GM let me say "That way lies madness"
 
@Yuuki I wish my players had more threads in their backstory to pull on. As long as you don't flesh out all of the details yourself, and leave you with enough room to develop, I think you'll be fine
The thing with backstories is that you need to make sure that you haven't already done the really cool stuff
 
The problem is that I get detail-oriented and I'm not sure how vague to leave it so that it's a thread and not an entire story.
 
one of the biggest hurdles I had to get over as a GM with a heavy writing background was that players are their own agents and generally want that agency
 
@Yuuki What level will this character be?
 
2:09 PM
@Adam Currently we're at 1st level although by the time I start taking Warlock levels, we'll be around 6th.
So I guess the problem is that I'm not coming up with backstory, I'm coming up with "forestory".
Frontstory?
Maplestory.
 
@Yuuki Sounds that way to me. Your backstory should include only enough information to describe how you got to the level that you are starting with. Don't pre-write anything as a backstory that you haven't done already to get where you are
 
More like "character aspirations", I guess.
 
@doppelgreener I'm thinking the sixth approach could be Identity. A representation of what you believe you are, including resistance to hostile influence. However, it seems like it's not a proactive skill. What do you think?
 
@Yuuki You can have this material written down, and share it with the DM to say "what do you think about taking my character in this direction." And then work with your DM to come up with a way to piece together something in the long run. But don't write this stuff down now as if it already happened
 
@eimyr right, I can't do anything with Identity, and at that point you might as well just call it Willpower
some systems adapt a Willpower-type trait as also reflecting studiousness, i.e. the person with high willpower is the person who will be sitting in the library for hours researching everything they need. some adopt it as a thing that enables you to control/use magic.
 
2:14 PM
So, Judgment, in this particular example.
 
right, the stuff i described has overlap with judgment
 
I guess the gist of what I'm saying is that backstory should describe the how of getting to your starting level. But you don't necessarily want to describe the how of getting to where you will be in 6-7 levels as if it had already happened.
 
You could shove in resistance to hostile social/mental influence as a Judgment thing
 
I imagined Judgment as an approach that makes careful and impartial examination of a situation a priority and involves anything from research, to evidence gathering, to actual judgment of character, morals or anything else really.
so it wouldn't be very jarring if I did that
 
@Adam Well, I definitely would rather propose it to my DM rather than some sort of "this is my character and I'm mandating this" approach, but I worry that I'm taking too much writing out of the hands of my DM.
In my understanding of D&D as a creative work, the DM writes the story and the players react/live it.
Screenwriters vs. actors, so to speak.
 
2:19 PM
I also associate high Judgment with religious or scholarly training, so clerics, alchemists, some mages, but also certain lawmen or elves.
(Yeah, I'm thinking races should be classes here as well)
(not that you can't be an elf without taking an Elf class, but doing so would mean being an Elf isn't very important to you)
 
@Yuuki Which is why you should share these ideas with you DM, or at the very least Share you character's goals with your DM, and that basically solves your problem. If you don't demand anything from your DM, and you show willingness to develop your character (the only part of the game that you do have control over) in tandem with the DM, then you aren't taking anything out of the DM's hands
 
GM/DMs like players who think ahead for their characters and feed them ideas especially if you arent pushy
 
@Yuuki I understand the analogy, but actors are paid to play a role. This is your character. You wrote the backstory, you play this character, and so it's only fair that you work in tandem with the DM to write the character's story together
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith I have never met a GM who appreciated the fact I build characters to level 20 before the campaign begins
 
@eimyr Im speaking in terms of character story
 
2:24 PM
oh
 
@eimyr I could understand that. doing that could suggest that you don't care about the story. That regardless of anything that happens, your character is just numbers on some paper. If the DM wants to build a story, that's very disheartening
 
@eimyr right now it's more or less the "brain stuff" approach
 
One of the guys I play with has a story about as thin as wet tissue paper, and all he wants to do is roll dice and kill stuff and put big bonuses on his character sheet. There isn't anything wrong with that, but it does mean that trying to build a story with him, which I think is tons of fun, is almost impossible
 
@doppelgreener So I'm imagining the Approaches as, to quote myself "a way to change the direction towards which the situation develops".
 
@Yuuki The most generic form I've been able to express this sentiment is, "Here is a situation. What do you do?"
 
2:26 PM
violence: bad stuff
deceit: false/tricky stuff
resources: have stuff
judgment: thinky stuff
rapport: nice stuff
 
that's a good way to summarise it
the last description, I guess, tried to address what "stuff" is
 
you use [...] to try to resolve the situation
 
@doppelgreener I don't think I want to keep it that way.
you use [...] to change a direction in which the situation goes.
everything else is skipped over
 
> I cry a little on the inside every time [my players] RP to avoid combat, and then complain there is not enough of it.
 
2:34 PM
@doppelgreener the main reason is that I don't want to equate "smart" with "high Judgment". You can be smart in a lot of ways, but how you use it is defined by your approach.
 
> Every single week... I don't think we have fought anything in a month. I even say "roll initiative" and drop a combat in their laps. Then they use some combination of silent image, minor illusion and darkness to safely run away.
> Except they are the ones complaining about the lack of combat. The best part is... they then recognize it's their own doing and say "Next time, were just going to kill them" and then RP around it.
This is actually amusing to read.
This is a thread of "DM Confessions About Their PCs".
 
@ObliviousSage Regarding my welcome comment to chad the dragon, I often try to not use the standard, latent hostility version of a response to a new member as a response to their first attempt to contribute. I suppose I should point out that we don't comment on other answers, and will do so.
 
I can't count the number of completely irrelevant NPCs my players have belligerently questioned, knocked unconscious, abducted or otherwise attacked because for infathomable reasons they decided that that NPC must know something/have a macguffin
 
@ACuriousMind And then when there's an NPC that's actually relevant and obviously lying, they completely ignore them?
 
@ACuriousMind When one of my friends hosted his very first session as a DM, he started us off in a bar. Said friend described a shifty-looking guy being there, and then skulking out of the bar. We decided to tail him and keep an eye on him. We split up, and collectively spoke to nearly everybody in the town, except for that one guy. Guess who was the one and only guy in town he was expecting us to talk to? The only NPC he had any dialog planned for? The shifty guy.
 
2:47 PM
@Yuuki Well...they don't exactly ignore them, but for some reason they tend to not spend much thought on these lies, or feel they're not important to act on, or whatever. Precisely the "overthink things you don't need to and don't think enough when you should" your quote mentions
I had a group plan a heist in excruciating detail with triple failsafes and whatnot...except that they overlooked the tiny issue that the local police force (which they were in theory well aware of) might show up.
Alas, those that survived never forgot that detail again...
 
At least they planned a heist on a useful location.
I've had players plan heists on random buildings just because they had a hunch that it contained something useful.
 
Ah, yes. These are also hilarious :D
I tend to give them something for their trouble though - some minor artifact hidden there, a plothook, anything so that it wasn't completely pointless since that's no fun for anyone, so you might say I encourage them...
 
@Erik I once played with a guy who killed a Brussels sprout merchant, because the player hates Brussels sprouts. He used a magic dagger that, when it draws any blood, causes an imp to burst from the target's chest after 1d4 turns
 
Geiger's Dagger
 
2:53 PM
...there are dedicated "Brussels sprout merchants"?
 
I suppose it did cause a distraction to get us past some town guards, but that guy really didn't deserve it
 
That sounds rather unfriendly. Poor merchant.
 
Like this guy, only brussels sprouts.
 
@doppelgreener That was actually the joke the DM was going for :p
@Erik Looking back it's a neat story, but I was ready to pummel his character and take the dagger away at the time.
 
3:09 PM
@Adam I thought it was Hicks who said that? (Eh, need to see that movie again, partly due to being a failed father. My son has seen neither Alien nor Aliens. What is wrong with me????
 
@doppelgreener My Cabbages. D:
 
@KorvinStarmast I'm pretty sure Ripley says it, then the useless guy says that she isn't in charge, and then Hicks repeats her
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyyoaBa7DaE
Ripley says it :)
 
@Adam I keep forgetting that my memory ain't what it used to be
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5:35 PM
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Q: Removing "moved to chat" comments when the chat no longer exists

CeribiaYesterday I flagged a "moved to chat" comment on this answer as the chat it links to no longer exists. To my surprise the flag was declined. Was this just an oddity in how reviewing went, or is there a consensus to retaining these sort of comments?

 
sup?
 
@DForck42 Giving a test. Watching a kid spend ten minutes trying to solve on a calculator what would take two by hand... =\
 
5:51 PM
@nitsua60 heh
 
6:24 PM
@nitsua60 Figuring out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
 
6:56 PM
How do you call a voluntary "class" in school after regular school times to improve on certain stuff which is sometimes not available outside such groups? In german it would be an "Arbeitsgruppe" or "Arbeitsgemeinschaft" like 'Math AG' or 'Computer AG'...
 
@Thyzer In my high school, we used to call them tutorials.
 
@Thyzer "afterschool" is a thing, but doesn't specifically mean class-like stuff, it could also include just a program where you hang around and do homework or whatever until somebody can come pick you up
 
after school tutoring?
 
@Thyzer but it would be normal to call such a thing an "afterschool class"
 
@Thyzer I think they'd call it a "club"
 
6:59 PM
@ACuriousMind club's usually have directed activities of sort
 
Thanks... I have to do some homework for my "English for natural science" class and the docent wants a brief information of what natural science I study (and why) and how good my English is (and how I learned it)
 
ie, reading club would be for those that wanted to read stuff. it wasn't about getting extra class work,e tc.
 
@DForck42 Yes, that is precisely what the AGs I'm familiar with are
 
@ACuriousMind ahh, so like "Math Club" and "Computer Club"
 
7:02 PM
I mean something like a "Math AG" would be for helping others with homework and talking about interesting math stuff not really a class thats why I used the quotation marks
 
so Arbeitsgruppe translates into "working group", and Arbeitsgemeinschaft translates into "working community"
so it seems that they're pretty similer
 
Thanks @ACuriousMind :) club seems right
 
@DForck42 Yeah, they're interchangable and usually people just say the abbreviation 'AG' instead of either of the full words
 
@ACuriousMind so, doing a google translate, a word in german that might mean something similar is "verein" (ymmv cause translations are difficult)
 
Yes, the German translation of "club" would be "Verein", but that's usually reserved for eingetragene Vereine
 
7:06 PM
German makes everything sound cool
A study group? More like an Arbeitsgemeinschaft
 
@ACuriousMind I was wondering how the social difference would be
 
Being a douchebag? No that's Schaudenfreude
 
Getting dark after dinner in Valhalla? Götterdämmerung.
Whoops, forgot umlauts.
 
@Yuuki Götterdämmerung is a really nice word, I have to admit :P
 
The umlauts, that's another thing
And then of course whatever Rhabarberbarbara is
 
7:10 PM
lol, that's not actually a word :P
 
@SPavel That's a really funny video on the internet about a woman called "Barbara" with her bar in which she sells "Rhabarber" (pie plant)
 
I know, that's what I'm referring to
(also the English word is rhubarb)
 
It plays with similar sounding words... "Barbaren" "Barbier" "Bart" "Bier"
my dictionary told me it's pie plant :/
 
@DForck42 To me, the difference is really rather formal - a Verein is registered, these AGs and such are not. The social structure of a Verein is highly dependent on its members, there's no general rule
 
Your dictionary is disordnung
 
7:12 PM
@ACuriousMind neat
 
Rhubarb can also be used for jam and a certain beverage
Which I have never seen outside of Russia
But basically it is like an unsweetened, more watery version of the jam
 
social clubs used to be a thing here, but I think that's going by the wayside
club usually means one of two things now: a group of people that get together for activities (like a puzzle club or board game club, or a school club) or a dance club
 
@DForck42 When Somebody says "social club" I usually think of either a strip joint, or the Freemasons/other (inter)national order
 
@Adam lol
 
Or the mafia
 
7:21 PM
If somebody "has friends" or is "part of the family" then I know for sure they are part of the mafia
 
Or they go to Olive Garden, where everyone is like family
 
@SPavel Olive Garden: When you're here, why are you here?
 
@ClaraOnager How many internet sites have you participated in that change mods/admins on an annual basis as a feature of site design?
 
@KorvinStarmast that seems excessive
 
The French Revolution in website form!
Send all the old mods to the guillotine
 
7:35 PM
@KorvinStarmast You cannot ping users in chat that haven't been in the room in the last two days
 
@DForck42 I am hoping to have an open conversation with Clara somewhere other than in a comments dogpile on Meta on a particular point. The reason is I can't, from about 20 years of participating in BBs and newsgroups and forums, and sites like this, recall any site doing that.
@ACuriousMind I am aware that this may be a message in a bottle that never finds land.
 
Okay, then, just thought I'd make sure you know that ping didn't actually ping anyone :)
 
@KorvinStarmast yeah, same here
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah, it was a shot in the dark.
@SPavel Heh, Madame Guillotine might charge for overtime with that much work.
 
@KorvinStarmast Then execute her and get someone else!
 
7:40 PM
Are "optimization" questions not always kind of "opinion based"? If there is no 'flat upgrade' and the question is about "is this feat better than taking two ability points"? Is this not exactly what that tag is about?
 
@THyzer Have you read the meta on what makes a good optimization question on SE?
 
So that some people calculate the DPS output with or without this feat etc.
 
@Thyzer No - optimization is all about metrics. A character cannot be optimized, unless it is towards a certain goal.
Once a goal is set, "what's better" is no longer a matter of opinion,
 
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A: Are character optimization questions on topic?

wax eagleA good charop question is either very specific or very general. If you fall in between you've entered the no mans land of gimmie the codez. There are 3 types of char-op questions that fall into the "good" category in my mind: I'm 90% complete and I need help making the final selection or two. ...

@THyzer The way a charop question usually survives is by spelling out the build you are considering, and making sure that you present the goal, or feature that you are trying to optimize for. This usually gets worked out in comments if it is too loose.
 
@KorvinStarmast do we have a precedent for questions such as "my party has x, y, and z, the setting is s, we're level n, what can I make that would compliment the party?"
 
7:46 PM
@DForck42 Really anything with CHA, they usually have the highest Diplomacy modifiers.
 
@Yuuki heh. are bards in 3.5 cha based? cause we have a bard already
and another character that's already the face of the group
 
(The joke is that the word you're looking for is "complement")
 
@DForck42 I feel like I've seen a question like that before, but I cannot remember where for the life of me
 
"Compliment" means to congratulate or praise someone.
Yeah, English sucks.
 
@Yuuki Not if you learn the root words. Back when I went to school -- before electricity was all that common -- we had vocabulary classes, phonics, and had to learn root words.
 
7:50 PM
@Yuuki ahh
 
@THyzer FWIW, from one of our previously burned out diamond mods ... charop topic ... Answerable requirements are critical. If we have them, there is an objective solution to the answer. If we don't have them, close until we do. – Brian Ballsun-Stanton Aug 30 '12 at 4:29
 
@KorvinStarmast Phonics does not help you with "compliment" vs "complement".
Phonics in general sucks because English is such a mishmash with borrowed words from other languages.
So pronunciation rules are Not Helpful.
 
@Yuuki heh, never knew it was a different spelling, lol
 
@Yuuki Indeed, root words do. Phonics was a part of the larger package, and it works. You don't see people use I could of done that" when they learn root words. As to "pronunciation rules" you are missing a small point. English is a hybrid, so pretending that there are "pronunciation rules" that are universal is a mistake. Big one.
 
@KorvinStarmast I miss both brian and wax...
 
7:52 PM
Phonics is a valid teaching tool, and Oh By The Way, if one learns how to read a dictionary with those spellings (like long and short e, schwa, etc) one learns how to pronounce any word.
@Yuuki but hey for someone coming new to the language that is less of a hybrid, English can be a bear to use ... and that's before you get to idiom and slang.
 
Yes, if one learns IPA, one can pronounce anything. Given the IPA. But English words aren't written in IPA, are they?
 
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Q: Are questions about RPGs on topic?

the dark wandererAs in individual games rather than the abstraction of a system as a 'game'. A recent question, What is this story I recall about an extremely long ever-changing character backstory?, had the following comment discussion (that really should have been a meta discussion instead guys): 10 I'm ...

 
Words aren't spelled with schwas even if they have them.
 
@Yuuki my point was that you find them in the dictionary. That's what helps you learn; and FWIW, because I was brought up with that "standard mid west accent English" complement and compliment when properly pronounced have a subtle difference. But given how pronunciation is all over the map, it's easy to have never heard it.
 
@KorvinStarmast I still can't get my fiancee to hear the difference between the names Aaron and Erin
 
7:57 PM
@DForck42 do we have a precedent for questions such as "my party has x, y, and z, the setting is s, we're level n, what can I make that would complement the party?" Hmm, yes, but usually they get a bit of workshopping to make sure that the character goal/build specified.
 
@KorvinStarmast uuuuhhhh as a native speaker of standard Midwest accent English I would be VERY surprised if there's actually a pronunciation difference between those words unless someone is specifically trying to produce them differently
 
@Adam Hee hee Have her pronounce the words "in" and "on" and then work backwards.
@A_S00 Then maybe we learned in a different era.
 
Are any of your familiar with the teaching tool called "reverse chaining" and how that helps overcome some obstacles? We used it some in flight training, a lot in flight simulators, when some students had real trouble with precision approaches ...
 
@KorvinStarmast wait do you have a difference in the second vowel in those names? I only have a difference in the first ([e] vs. [ɛ])
 
8:00 PM
Content warning: language
 
A_S00 Air-on, versus Err-in. I've never pronounced the former with an 'in' ending. Have you?
 
@Yuuki that is fantastic!
 
@Yuuki I was in the Navy for 20+ years, language warnings amuse me.
 
@KorvinStarmast I schwa the second vowel in both, [ˈeɹən] vs. [ˈɛɹən]
 
Now I'm sitting alone in my apartment muttering "Aaron...Erin...Aaron..Erin..." under my breath
what have you done to me
 
8:02 PM
@SPavel you are now qualified to join the 2012-era Facebook group "I make funny noises to myself because I'm a linguistics student"
 
@SPavel Forgive me, please.
 
I miss when Facebook groups were just statements with which you agree
 
@SPavel I...might have said them out loud leading to my flatmate asking who I'm speaking to :P
 
@KorvinStarmast link?
 
I'm Russian, my entire language is funny noises
 
8:03 PM
@SPavel I'm at work, so I'm currently doing that in my head :)
 
@A_S00 I don't miss facebook at all. Been gone for four years and have not looked back.
 
@SPavel they can't be funnier than English 'r'
 
Oh, you wanna bet
 
@DForck42 Link to what? I think you could do a search with the charop tag? (Or the Optimization tag?)
 
Yery, Yeru, Ery or Eru (Ы, ы, usually called "Ы" [ɨ] in modern Russian or "еры" yerý historically and in modern Church Slavonic) is a letter in the Cyrillic script. It represents the phoneme /i/ after non-palatalised (hard) consonants in the Belarusian and Russian alphabets. Because of phonological processes, the actual realisation of /i/ after alveolar consonants (⟨д⟩, ⟨з⟩, ⟨л⟩, ⟨н⟩, ⟨р⟩, ⟨с⟩, ⟨т⟩, or ⟨ц⟩) is retracted to a close central unrounded vowel [ɨ] or [ʷi], after labials: ⟨б⟩, ⟨в⟩, ⟨м⟩, ⟨п⟩. In Rusyn, it denotes a sound a bit harder than [ɨ] and close to the Romanian sound î, also written...
Getting foreigners to pronounce this letter is the best
 
8:04 PM
@DForck42 Sorry, tag is optimization, not charop.
What you won't see, though, is all the comments on some that got some of them reopened.
 
@Yuuki this is actually like,... the turned up to 11 version of what some teachers did to my name,... and for me of course the Guam version rather than the "inner city" one
 
@trogdor's name is A-A-ron, confirmed
 
I have been called "Scott" by a substitute teacher when my name contains exactly zero instances of "S", "C", "O", or "T".
 
A-A-ron sure we can go with that one XD
 
8:06 PM
@SPavel My brother learned Russian early, and speaks it OK. (He also got to study in USSR for two semesters while in college).
 
I say Aaron and Erin the same
 
@Yuuki yeah, nothing nearly that bad has ever happened to me XD
 
@trogdor To this day, I am puzzled at how she arrived at that name.
 
@DForck42 I think Aaron when pronounced in Hebrew (original language for the name IIRC) makes the distinction clearer, but we are going to high school and an immigrant-father addressing his son (my classmate) in heavily accented English for my memory on that one ...
 
for me it has usually just been "add an s at the end" for my name,... for my last name though, I have had people come up with an entirely different name XD
 
8:09 PM
@trogdor Me too, and my last name is only five letters.
 
I live here though, so at this point it isn't even puzzling anymore, it's just hilarious to have actually experience related to the linked video is all
@KorvinStarmast to be fair, mine is actually really long
 
@trogdor people will call me by Frock rather than Forck...
 
lol
 
People have mangled my name so much - even though it's only two syllables, and it's not like there is a shortage of Pavels exported into the public consciousness
Such as Pavel Bure, hockey man
 
@DForck42 Try this for an example of optimization that's open. rpg.stackexchange.com/q/95176/22566
 
8:12 PM
@SPavel Or that nuclear physicist who got his neck snapped in Gotham Stadium.
 
I did a search bar search with two tags. [optimization] and [dnd-5e] and it returned 103 results. Some open, some closed. Browse a while and see if you see a trend or useful pattern.
 
(Or got kidnapped during a CIA extraction mission led by Littlefinger)
 
@@Yuuki I though Littlefinger was NSA. ;-P
 
Was it NSA or CIA?
They were operating outside of the US, so I was assuming they were CIA.
 
@yuuki I was making a bad joke, sorry, as my Littlefinger is Game of Thrones, and I was quibbling over which agency a fictional character was or wasn't in.
 
8:14 PM
@KorvinStarmast I thought a Game of Thrones joke was being made
about Littlefinger somehow being in the CIA even though it hadn't been invented yet
 
@KorvinStarmast Well, I'm referencing the same Littlefinger. The character isn't in The Dark Knight Rises but the actor who plays him is.
 
@yuuki yeah, outside of US ought to be CIA. That's how it should be, but FWIW, in the past fifteen years, I am not sure what the rules are anymore ...
 
@Yuuki ooooooooooooh
sorry XD
 
@Yuuki Ah, got it. Oops.
 
I have heard that my pop culture references are weird and labyrinthine so no worries.
 
8:16 PM
I mean, I have had other people refer to an actor by a previous character name before
I just wasn't expecting it
 
@KorvinStarmast k, I'm basically writing a short story for this question, lol
 
@DForck42 Whatever gets it past the close Nazis ...
 
@KorvinStarmast lol
 
I read that as Chaos Nazis
 
... oh, wait, I guess I'm one of them? Eeeek! We have met the enemy and he is us!!!!
 
8:18 PM
It should be pretty easy to write a bot that auto VtCs new questions
Image not found?
 
...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pogo_-_Earth_Day_1971_poster.jpg... go to the link for Pogo reference
@SPavel Of all the things we do, that is not one of them. I have complained more than once on meta about what I call "the latent hostility to new users of SE" and the same for RPG.SE.
 
@trogdor Well, it doesn't help that both of the character I referenced are secondary/background characters. One is literally just a plot device and the other one doesn't even get a name.
 
@Yuuki fair enough there
 
@SPavel What I got as a response from some veterans of this site and SE in general is "that's more or less a feature, not a bug."
 
@KorvinStarmast I'm not sure that voting to close is hostile. Closing on SE is not the same as locking on a forum thread.
Comments can still be posted, questions can still be edited, users can vote to reopen
 
8:23 PM
@SPavel I agree, now that I understand the system. My point is For New Users the perception is of latent hostility.
 
This should be stickied to the top of every SE page for users with account lifetimes < 1 year: Closed Questions Are Not Bad Questions.
In big and bold font.
 
And guess where most new users come from? Forums. Different assumptions on SE from a forum.
 
Well...they are bad questions
But fixing them is much easier than one would think
 
@SPavel No, they might not fit SE's strengths and the SE format, but they are not in and of themselves Bad Questions.
 
lemme know what cha think
 
8:24 PM
"On Hold" versus "Closed" as a distinction may need more treatment in the FAQ or the Help Center. hmm, after I resume participation on meta, I may pursue this.
 
@Yuuki But that's what bad means
You cannot have "bad" outside of context
They are bad for SE, we are on SE, therefore they are bad
 
@KorvinStarmast there really is no distinction for those that are familiar with the site. the wording change was more of a hat tip to new users that "closed' seems meaner than "on hold"
they're functionally the same
 
@DForck42 It's probably a bit too broad at the moment. I suggest that you offer up one or two of the concepts/maybe characters and their feats for that level that you have considered.
 
@DForck42 Functionally the same, but they provide completely different contexts. It's important to treat them differently because of that.
 
@DForck42 You and I understand that. The issue is received communication, perception, and new users feeling the brush off based on their previous internet experience.
@Adam Yeah, what you said.
 
8:28 PM
The problem is that when you equate closed questions with bad questions, problems that come with communication and perception are magnified.
 
For example, I am a crusty old veteran of flame wars on the internet for nearly 20 years, and some years before that in a few news groups. Forums have also changed over the years. When I first got to RPG.SE I did not feel a warm welcome at all, but rather a cold shoulder. Being the stubborn old cuss that I am, ground my way through it and tried to get a feel of community norms ... partly because I understand such things.
 
@Yuuki I agree. most questions aren't "bad". bur rather aren't very high quality or have other issues
 
@DForck42 What one or two classes did you have in mind, tentatively, for that Seventh Level Char in the world of undead?
 
@KorvinStarmast I'm looking at one now and gonna edit it in
 
@DForck42 Cool! Looking forward to it.
 
8:34 PM
@KorvinStarmast added in the swordsage
 
Have it open in another window.
 
cause I'd looked at it, but hadn't gotten chance to read it all the way through and start planning things
 
Given realizations on how Hexblade patrons work lore-wise earlier today, I'm thinking about picking a different patron.
 
Personal preference is ... note which books your DM allows. Or which splat books your DM does NOT allow. That's in "constraints" like your "no tier 1 or tier 2" and "seventh level"
 
@DForck42 Are you just looking for a class, or are you also looking for a race as well?
 
8:36 PM
In your second paragraph, recommend after the first sentence you put in another header, "constraings" and list level, tier, and lack of cleric/paladin. Just organizational for ease of reading.
constraints The spell demon struck again!
 
@diego race I can probably figure out on my own
@KorvinStarmast done
 
Depending on whether I go Warlock 4 or 8, which Patron would best fit a melee tank/juggernaut type character?
 
@Yuuki Off the top of my head I'd say Fiend
 
I can take UA patrons too, so I'll need to look over Undying Light and Raven Queen.
Do Warlocks get any Patrons in SCAG?
 
@Yuuki I don't believe so
 
8:43 PM
@Yuuki The Undying is in the SCAG
 
AH, OK, sorry, you are correct.
 
@KorvinStarmast The Undying is another patron
Though from the summary I found I don't think it will be good in a tank type role
 
@KorvinStarmast added that it has to have been in a physical source book
 
@DForck42 Including 3rd party, or just WotC material?
 
@diego unsure about 3rd party. those are probably a case by case
 
8:54 PM
I think this Q will roll OK, sorry to see the first answer was a bust. (I am also very sad to see KRyan's rep as 1, which I discovered means that KRyan's temporarily suspended. Arrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh! He's good at these questions. sad face to the fifth power ...)
 
@KorvinStarmast yeah, I was like "wtf does this have to do with my question?"
 
I love that confession is good for the soul first line. "I really don't know the D&D system" g8ggle
 
right? lol
 
9:17 PM
well iv'e got 1 ctv
 
And one upvote, from me.
Hmm, any idea how far up in levels your party will go? 12? 15? 20? What's the game like at that table? Long campaign?
 
@Thyzer "After school program" "enrichment program" "study group" ?
 
That werewolf homebrew feels more like a design for a class than a race.
Too many features, imo.
 
@KorvinStarmast unsure how far we'll go, level wise. game tends to be more about fun - a lot of goofy social interactions between the group and npc's with serious story elements thrown in
imho it's a really nice, rounded game
 
@DForck42 Every optimization questions gets at least 1 PoB vote it seems. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.
 
9:29 PM
Suggestion, take or leave. Presume a build to 15. (Few games go beyond that) In constraints.
 
@Adam lol, ok
 
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9:46 PM
Wazzup!
 
Can you offer an answer to DFORCK's question?
 
@A_S00 an excellent answer, thank you! I will definitely be reading into these classes more to figure out which way I want to go
 
TIL that JS object methods inherit indices from their objects, so use this.someObjectKey instead of parent.someObjectKey.
Time to rewrite a good amount of script.
hey there @doppelgreener
 
Wait, why would you need the object key if you already have a this
 
You've my vote
 
9:56 PM
Can't you just go this
 
@SPavel That's what I'm referring to
b/c setting a this is basically identical to setting a 'key': value pair for my purposes
 
@Papayaman1000 Hi!
@Papayaman1000 thank you. I'll do my best. (also do vote once the primaries are over!)
 
@doppelgreener But yeah, good luck in the mod election. I threw a few votes at a lot of the main site's regulars. Now to wait to do it again.
 
Same. :)
 

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