The Nineteenth Byte

An iterable is something that supports iterators iterating over it. "Range" isn't a good name for it, because it's easily confused with the mathematical concept of a range (which is a specific type of iterable).

Pavel

Mario Party 9

There are black 'ztars' that cause you to lose points

Anonymous

8:14 PM

Or with the range construct in many languages (that is basically the same as std.range.iota in D or std::iota in C++)

Anonymous

Wait I was doing something before all of this Discussion...

Pavel

Yeah but TNB is more important

El'endia Starman

Please no let's not have programming language name puns again.

Nathan Merrill

I harDly think that a letter counts as a pun

Pavel

I can' think of any good ones.

El'endia Starman

8:17 PM

...at least make them good.

Pavel

The only one I can remember is "Why do programmers wear glasses? So they can C#"

Anonymous

Actually, there are no good programming language name puns, so let's seriously not go down this road.

trichoplax

Maybe we can save a few pages of transcript with a simple link

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quartata

@NathanMerrill Yes, you can use templates or one of these wrapper interfaces: dlang.org/phobos/std_range_interfaces.html

Pavel

@trichoplax Does that link contain Mego's pun? No? Than it is woefully insufficient.

El'endia Starman

8:20 PM

@trichoplax Ah, so many classics.

trichoplax

@Pavel Did Mego really make a language called woefully? I'm out of touch

Pavel

No, that was Destructible Watermelon iirc

BUT STILL

Anonymous

Unoriginal copycats :P

Pavel

To be fair, the only part even slightly related to Actually/Seriously is the name.

Anonymous

I mean I made it pretty clear that I claimed all adverbs for use as programming language names :P

Pavel

8:23 PM

Seriously???

trichoplax

Evidently

Pavel

Laughably.

Anonymous

@trichoplax Ooh, that's a good one. I'll have to remember that one.

trichoplax

Remember?? Don't you have a list of all English adverbs...?

I assumed that was what you were working through ;)

Nathan Merrill

can we just appreciate for a second how consistent english is in the fact that 99% of all adverbs end in ly?

like, where did that come from?

trichoplax

8:25 PM

Now I'm curious about the 1%

Pavel

here,everywhere ,somewhere,in,inside,out,outside,early,now, there ,rather ,almost , so ,also ,very ,never,often, seldom

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill "fast" is an adjective - "quickly" would be an adverb

Pavel

fast? Fast is an adjective, the adverb is quickly

trichoplax

I'm not convinced those are all adverbs...

Pavel

Ninja'd

Nathan Merrill

8:26 PM

oh, yeah

not sure what I was thinking

I had a good verb, but I can't think of it now

trichoplax

I think fast is used more often than quickly, even if incorrect.

Nathan Merrill

actually, maybe it is?

Pavel

@trichoplax They are. Try putting them into the model "I [adverb] ran" or "I ran [adverb]", if either work it's an adverb.

Nathan Merrill

I ran fast

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill You're right. It follows that rule often.

Pavel

8:28 PM

@NathanMerrill Yeah but that's wrong.

Anonymous

@Pavel Exactly

trichoplax

@Pavel Those sentences work for all adverbs, but not every word that fits is an adverb - it only works one way

> early

ooh, like "John"

Wat

8:28 PM

"I ran, John"

trichoplax

I ran python

Pavel

Good point.

trichoplax

An adverb describes how the verb was performed

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Q: Code Challenge Help

In this assignment you will draw a student schedule by using a while loop. You will ask the user for their first and last names, and then a list of their classes and room numbers. The loop should stop when they enter STOP for their next class. Print the schedule in the same format as the exampl...

code-challenge

trichoplax

The reason other words fit into the pattern is just that English is very flexible

Pavel

8:29 PM

@NewMainPosts Judging by the title, VTC?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pascal's Pyramid I searched for a similar challenge. I found only this, which only mentions it. Goal So the task is to print the first 25 or more rows of Pascal's pyramid. Scoring Shortest program wins.

Anonymous

@Pavel It already got closed

Pavel

Ok, by the time I sent that message there was only one close vote on it.

aditsu

there should be a separate close reason "go do your own homework"

trichoplax

I don't mind homework as long as there's an objective winning criterion

wizzwizz4

8:34 PM

@Pavel All adverbs fit at least *both*

Pavel

No..?

aditsu

the objective criterion could be "first correct answer in this language, using these coding conventions"

Pavel

Wait, coding conventions?

Business Cat

Coding conventions have no place on this site

wizzwizz4

@BusinessCat Not true.

aditsu

8:38 PM

@Pavel so that they can submit it to the teacher as is, without getting in trouble

TuxCopter

> In this assignment you will...

Nathan Merrill

we totally have coding conventions. I see ones like "Don't use the letter 'A' " all the time

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wizzwizz4

If the conventions are clear and correctly worded, you can abuse them without the OP editing.

TuxCopter

It's the least effort to hide an HW question I have seen

wizzwizz4

@TuxCopter Do you think this is OK:?

In future, please put challenge ideas in the sandbox. Note that we're not having a go at you just because we think it's homework; if you fix the problems outlined in the off-topic reasons it'll probably be reopened. — wizzwizz4 4 mins ago

TuxCopter

8:40 PM

What is OK?

Pavel

My CS teacher is of the philosophy "If it works, it gets an A"

trichoplax

@wizzwizz4 At least 3 separate close reasons were given, so fixing just one won't be enough. Also the sandbox isn't the best place if they actually want SO

Business Cat

@Pavel That's pretty bad if he's not enforcing indenting, commenting, etc

Pavel

She'll get pissed if you do those wrong, but you'll still get your grade.

aditsu

one teacher saw a program I wrote in high school, he said he would fail me because I put multiple instructions on the same line (with semicolons), kinda filling a big rectangular block of code

trichoplax

8:41 PM

@Pavel I hope there's a time constraint specified or that's going to take a long time to test...

Pavel

(I happen to really like my CS teacher, so I try to make my homework readable)

aditsu

(he wasn't my teacher, I didn't have CS classes in high school)

Pavel

Besides, it's not like anyone submits PPCG submissions.

Nathan Merrill

@trichoplax Do I still get an A at the end of the universe?

trichoplax

You'll be fine - it's the poor teacher I'm worried about :P

wizzwizz4

8:44 PM

@NathanMerrill If there's still anyone to give you one.

Ninja'd.

Pavel

Like I said, she'll get really angry if your code is unreadable, and will make you wish you put a little more effort into it, but you'll still get the grade.

Nobody in the class is so bad as to indent wrong, especially since the IDE does that for you.

aditsu

give her some heavily golfed or obfuscated code - it involves putting a lot of effort into it :)

Pavel

I wouldn't do that, she's an awesome teacher.

Business Cat

What about if you handed in a program that could brute force the assignment

wizzwizz4

@BusinessCat Or perhaps a program that used ML to teach itself how to write the assignment in a simple language?

Pavel

8:49 PM

The time requirement is "It's a trivial enough task that it should be over in a second, it's been 30, something's wrong".

It's not intro CS but it's the next level up.

wizzwizz4

@Pavel What about if you print debugging info to stderr?

Something like "I'm working on it, get off my back!"?

Pavel

I don't think anyone has tried that. Can't say.

wat

i made a thing check it out

Pavel

Uhh... what is it?

wat

That was the wrong thing sorry.

amazon.com/dp/B01M3QYW6P

There

wizzwizz4

8:52 PM

You made it?

Woah... Windows 10 Home operating system?

Why would anyone bundle with that?

It's cheaper to buy a computer OS-fr... ah.

wat

Yeah I made it.

This is for the general consumer

Also take a look at my actual website inexpensivecomputers.net

That computer isn't on there yet but it will be soon

Pavel

"fast Intel Celeron" are three words I have never expected to see together.

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Nathan Merrill

@wizzwizz4 I don't think that is true. I've tried buying a computer with linux, or no OS, and a windows machine has always proved to be cheaper.

wat

I used to have one of those. It's fast enough

Nathan Merrill

its a totally different story if you are building a computer though

wat

8:55 PM

I played TF2 on its integrated graphics...

Pavel

Wait, the description says Celeron but the specs say Pentium?

wat

Got 45 FPS on medium

wizzwizz4

New Windows 10 systems aren't required to have Secure Boot disableable.

wat

Specs are wrong, let me fix them

wizzwizz4

It's basically OS DRM, stopping you using open stuff.

Pavel

8:56 PM

You can kill Secure Boot

wizzwizz4

It does mean that you don't get bootable-USB viruses as easily though.

@Pavel How?

Pavel

I don't remember, but I had to so I could dual-boot Ubuntu.

PhiNotPi

@wat minor nitpick about your website: is that a stock image of a guy in a server room, or something that actually has to do with your company?

wat

Secure boot will be on but BIOS will be completely stock, so it will be controllable and disableable

@PhiNotPi stock image.

wizzwizz4

@wat Yaay!

wat

8:57 PM

also it's a supercomputer.

Pavel

clearly

wizzwizz4

> At your request we can ship computers with custom software pre-installed, or none at all.

You are why we can have nice things.

wat

Yeah I tried to make it as consumer friendly as possible

Warranty is if a part breaks, it's covered under the part warranty

If it's a user fault then the user is responsible

Pavel

Cool

Wait, how do you prove user fault?

wat

If it's a shipping issue, shipping insurance will cover it

@Pavel give me an example of when you would need to prove it

Pavel

9:00 PM

User demands a refund because the hard drive is broken.

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Q: Overflow-Proof Buffer

Background Programmers these days can't seem to keep their buffers straight! A common source of error is trying to use an array index that is too large for the buffer. Your task is to implement a buffer where large indices are reduced to a size that the buffer can handle. Because I decide exactl...

code-golf

wizzwizz4

@Pavel If you sold it to one of us and something exploded, it's user fault.

wat

@Pavel first of all, if the hard drive worked when I had it, I would investigate with shipping.

If it's clearly user fault (like hammer dents) the user doesn't get anything

Nathan Merrill

@wat so you test all the parts before you ship?

wizzwizz4

@wat Also if it is unscrewed?

wat

9:02 PM

@NathanMerrill yes

@wizzwizz4 by what?

vibration?

wizzwizz4

@wat Presumably by users.

wat

@wizzwizz4 Wouldn't it be user fault then?

Nathan Merrill

how intense of a test are we talking about? like, for a bad sector?

wizzwizz4

@wat Yes. I replied to the second message in the block, not the first.

Pavel

A large dent. Could be shipping, could be user hit it with a hammer.

wat

9:03 PM

@wizzwizz4 ok, sorry, did not see that.

Pavel

Shipping doesn't really keep track of that, right?

DJMcMayhem

@wat Have you sold very many?

wat

@Pavel If the hard drive was properly secured, and the case was filled with foam padding, there would be almost zero chance that something like that happened with shipping

@DJMcMayhem a couple

Pavel

Can it come with Linux?

wat

There would be basically one of those expanding shipping foam things inside the computer, and printed notes in large red Impact saying "DO NOT POWER ON / READ THIS"

and then instructions to open the case and pull out the foam

@Pavel yeah

The ones I have sold didn't need the foam because they were in a small form factor

Pavel

9:06 PM

Wait, you have to open the case? Isn't your target audience people who don't mess around with the internals?

At all?

wat

The case would open with a thumbscrew, the instructions would literally be this:

Pavel

Also, can you really trust the end user to not power it on before reading the warning?

wat

1. Turn screw to the left. 2. Pull case side panel off the case. 3. Grab the foam and pull it out. 4. Line up the side panel and push it back in. 5. Turn the screw to the right until it is tight.

Says celeron in seller central

wat

9:23 PM

Badly photoshopped(gimped?) example

Sorry for the bad perspective transforms

Hey guys? Check out this cool link I found dk0.us/3

Poke

@wat this link looks like a virus

just my 2 cents

wat

@Poke Why?

It's my URL shortener.

It has my initials in it. Also, my email address is me@dk0.us

Poke

if i got that url in an email

i'd report it as spam

arda

@MartinEnder old q but yes

wat

By the way does my email address look spammy?

mınxomaτ

9:32 PM

Because short domains with numerals are really uncommon outside of shady businesses.

wizzwizz4

@wat Booklet is taped over the power button.

wat

@wizzwizz4 well, the sign is

Huh.

That was the shortest domain I could get that had my initials in it, mostly for the purpose of having a really short email address.

It's 9 characters

wizzwizz4

@wat Also, DO NOT POWER ON is taped over the power socket.

wat

@wizzwizz4 sure

wizzwizz4

@wat Oh... Those were supposed to be suggestions... :-/

wat

9:40 PM

@wizzwizz4 wat? I was accepting the suggestions

wizzwizz4

Woah. Message ~3484000 already? :-O

aditsu

users be like "I just threw away those pesky stickers and powered it on"

wizzwizz4

@wat Oh. Ok. :-//

wat

@wizzwizz4 ok

@aditsu If they over heat it, it is user fault

wizzwizz4

@aditsu Users be like "It made strange noises then stopped working, I want my money back" and @wat be like "nope".

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Q: Print a word clock

Since I saw the first one a few years ago, I always was subjugated by this kind of word clock where the time is actually spelled out by words being lit up or not into a meaningful sentence. The text displayed on that clock is the following. IT IS HALF TEN QUARTER TWENTY FIVE MINUTES TO PAST T...

code-golf string date

aditsu

notalwaysright.com/a-sign-of-a-long-day/3201

flawr

I just wanted to submit an Octave bug:

wat

what are the main differences between matlab and octave?

Conor O'Brien

price

El'endia Starman

@aditsu @wat should save this link for sending it to future customers that complain about their computer overheating.

trichoplax

9:52 PM

The aim is to have no differences

quartata

Aside from some obscure differences the core languages are pretty similar. But MATLAB usually comes with some toolkits that aren't available on Octave

There's a package manager for Octave though that cn help you find replacements

TuxCopter

'night

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