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12:00 AM
@FrankMittelbach What is 1Q84?
 
@JG what's the modern way to find out? google gives you en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Q84 good night
 
12:20 AM
@FrankMittelbach Good night, Frank! :)
Wow, it's getting dangerous. Now I'm writing Perl patches for tlmgr. Spooky.
 
12:56 AM
Does anyone know which package offers an \import command? tex.stackexchange.com/q/44480/2693
Figured it out. Go for the obvious: the import package.
 
 
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4:23 AM
@AlanMunn On the other hand, a simple question is more likely to be useful to more users.
 
4:50 AM
@AlanMunn Eris as in Discordianism, as in the Golden Apple. Not Apple computers.
 
 
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7:59 AM
@FrankMittelbach It appears that Tschichold did use a grid, I drew one using LibreOffice draw (it's rough and may have inaccuracies both as I used a scan copy of the original cover (from the LaTeX3 repository) which might also be inaccurate), but the pattern is clear. We are off today, but tomorrow I will draw the grid using AutoCad which is very accurate. Link github.com/yannisl/MWE/blob/master/xcoffins/grid.jpg
@FrankMittelbach Can't find my copy of the book, probably I left in in South Africa. If you have one can you please rescan and post a more accurate reproduction - that is if first one is not accurate.
 
@YiannisLazarides good morning. Are you sure you are not kidding yourself? On that level you are likely to imagine a grid on nearly everything :-) like the lines being above or below etc. I still believe that my assessment on the relationships to objects are closer to the truth, but we may never know.
 
@FrankMittelbach Good morning as well. I think your assessment is correct and there is a grid also. After the grid one needs to work with some form of relationships, but I find it highly unlikely that a grid was not used in the original design, or at least a partial grid.
 
@YiannisLazarides yes can do later today
 
@FrankMittelbach Thanks a lot.
 
@YiannisLazarides yes that I can believe. The starting point may have been a grid but for the title page he went far away from it
 
8:28 AM
@AndreyStacey (and others) Does the start of the FAQ look okay?
 
8:46 AM
@JosephWright I'm not convinced about "TeX or any of its descendants like LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX and ConTeXt"
 
@egreg No, I'd notice that too. However, that really needs a separate meta question.
 
 
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11:29 AM
That's it. Perl is evil. :P
 
@JosephWright Didn't get the notification as you missssspellllled my name. I'll take a look.
Really only dropped by to ask if we were still noting notable reputation scores. If so, I humbly offer my current reputation on Maths-SX as a silly candidate, particularly given that the site is about maths.
 
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Q: The FAQ list of topics

Joseph WrightCurrently, the FAQ has a list of things to ask about that reads TeX or any of its descendants like LaTeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX and ConTeXt TeX distributions like TeX Live, MiKTeX, or MacTeX (La)TeX related software and tools like BibTeX, LyX, LaTeX editors, viewers, and converters Now, t...

@AndrewStacey Oops
 
@JosephWright I'm also dubious about the sentence that @egreg highlights. I don't like the word "descendents" as, to me, it carries a connotation of "replacements". Also, I'd put a colon after the emphasised text in the first paragraph. A comma could be read as an "or" so if you're a TeX-enthusiast or a Word-user who happens to want to produce beautiful documents, then ask your question. Not quite the right impression.
@PauloCereda I concur.
 
12:08 PM
@egreg: I removed \ensuremath for my answer. :)
I added the following reason to my edit: "For every \ensuremath you use, a kitten dies." :)
 
12:31 PM
Finally, LibreOffice 3.5! :)
 
1:23 PM
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Q: How to make the correct hash-symbol in C Sharp (C#)

Filip EkbergI want to make C# look nice in my book, but with the following: C\# it looks like this: When it should look more like this: For the second one, I used verbatim, but I don't want that and I've also used a macro like the following everywhere so it should be easy to replace: \def\Csharp{C\#}...

Funny enough, the language is read "see sharp". :)
 
2:04 PM
@PauloCereda I'm interested to see answers to this question, because I couldn't invent something right on the spot. Computer Modern's roman hash symbol looks out of place indeed.
 
@AndreyVihrov Me too. :) I suggested \raisebox-ing the # symbol, but it doesn't look good when in paragraphs. :)
 
\texttt{C\#} looks fine to me, actually
 
@PauloCereda I think that the most plausible strategy is to steal the hash symbol from another font, for example, DejaVu Sans.
 
@PauloCereda But, of course, that's not a sharp.
 
@RoelofSpijker Is \texttt{U.S.} fine too? Letters should be roman, because they are just letters.
 
2:11 PM
@AndreyVihrov Good idea. :)
 
@AndreyVihrov: C\texttt{\#} then
 
@egreg Indeed. :) But you know Microsoft, they love making such pearls like C#, F#, <yourlanguage>.net. :)
 
2:42 PM
@PauloCereda I found a good match, but it can be used with fontspec only. I'll wait for other answers before suggesting hacks to get it working in pdfTeX. :-)
 
@AndreyVihrov Cool, awesome answer! (Sorry, I'm out of votes now, but I'll upvote it ASAP.) I like the output, it looks pleasant to the eye. :)
 
@PauloCereda Now it appears from the comments that @egreg wins anyway
 
3:04 PM
@AndreyVihrov :) However the idea to grab the symbol from a suitable font is good.
 
What if we use D♭ instead of C♯? /ducks
 
Odd, placing the hash symbol in a cropped pdf and then including it with pdfTeX introduces a small space between C and #.
 
@AndreyVihrov Kern back a little.
 
@egreg Sure, but where does the space come from? I'd thought that characters from different fonts are not subject to kerning anyway.
 
@AndreyVihrov It may depend on the method used for cropping.
@PauloCereda How do you call notes in Portuguese?
 
3:18 PM
Oh, maybe the character protrudes a little from its bounding box and pdfcrop or the insertion process loses it.
 
@egreg The notes are called , , Mi, , Sol, , and Si. The ♭ symbol is bemol and ♯ is sustenido. :)
 
@PauloCereda In Italian "do re mi fa sol la si". Do you know who gave the name to "do"?
 
@PauloCereda Well, assuming well-tempered tuning it will make no difference
 
@egreg I have no idea. :)
@JosephWright Exactly. :P
 
@PauloCereda On the other hand, it we are properly tuned to exact intervals in a suitable key, then it would be really bad
 
3:26 PM
@PauloCereda The names of the notes were invented by Guido d'Arezzo, but "do" was called "ut". It became "do" in Italy several years later. Some say that it was Giovanni Battista Doni who propagated this usage in a 17th century treatise, just because it was the beginning of his name. But it seems that "do" had been used before.
 
@JosephWright Ah yes, you can't find the enharmonic equivalents, I guess. It's been a while since music theory. :P
 
@PauloCereda Here's an interesting page about temperament: fisicaondemusica.unimore.it
 
@egreg I remember when I was a little kid and had to find "dó" in the piano. My teacher said, "look at the piano keyhole, the key above it is 'ré' and the one before is 'dó'." It still works. :P
@egreg Ah very interesting! :) I once experimented the Pythagorean scale, but it messed with my head. :)
Oh, I can't find on YouTube a video of Victor Borge trying to play "Bagatelle in the key of C". He's very frustrated because no one marked the C in his piano for him to play. He looks at the keyboard and says, "Where the heck is C?" :P
 
4:01 PM
@Canageek Sure, that why view counts drive votes, in general.
@Canageek Ah, Ok. That was the detail that escaped me. I thought you were making a dig (which I thought was pretty funny BTW).
 
4:25 PM
@PauloCereda: Did you happen to post a video on how to obtain nice print outs of TeX.SE questions? See meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2245/…
 
@PeterGrill Hm I'm afraid it's not a tutorial, but a humble TeXPrinter showcase. :) vimeo.com/31378263 I posted a blog entry about it, though: tex.blogoverflow.com/2011/11/printing-tex-sx-threads :)
 
5:02 PM
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Q: How to Convert XeTeX to HTML

AkuI realize its too much to post the entire document. Here is a small portion of document, it just keep repeating itself for various verses. Sorry this is the minimum example size I could squeeze it to. \documentclass[a4paper,12pt]{article} %\usepackage[left=0.15in,right=0.15in,top=0.75in,bottom=...

The accepted answer here could use some votes. It's very helpful and shows quite a bit of work.
 
@AlanMunn I added to the top of my "To upvote" list. :)
 
5:36 PM
The photography guys will have a Town Hall chat for this year's election.
 
@PauloCereda Sounds fun, but I'm not sure what I'd ask there :-)
 
@JosephWright Neither do I. :) I might ask what camera should I buy. :P
 
6:30 PM
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Q: Disable printing of fonts/packages to STDOUT

pavonIs it possible to disable most of the boilerplate information that is output to STDOUT, like package and font paths? For example some Unix commands have "verbose" or "quiet" command line options that allow you to adjust how much information gets written to STDOUT. It is very common that I will m...

This has come up before: can anyone find it?
 
This one?
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Q: Formatting the console output of LaTeX

Neil GWhen I run pdfLaTeX, I get very verbose output: (/usr/local/texlive/2008/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz/librarie s/tikzlibrarycalc.code.tex) ... Is there a script to soak up all the verbose output and allow the important stuff to pass through, like errors, overfull hboxes, and s...

 
@egreg I had a feeling there was one where someone asked about removing the messages at source, rather than a script to remove them post-run
 
@JosephWright There is also texloganalyser for checking various kinds of warnings
I don't think it's possible to stop TeX from issuing its (primitive) messages.
 
@egreg No, it's not. As I said, I thought we'd been asked this before (ages ago, first few months I think)
 
7:07 PM
Does anyone know a LaTeX3-solution?
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Q: Display counters only if it is used at least two times

projetmbcIn this page, I've found one way to display one counter only if it is used at least two times. The problem with this solution is that it doesn't work with two counters. Is there a way to allow this kind of feature ? \documentclass{article} \makeatletter \newcommand{\defineoneshotcou...

 
Heya =)
If anyone see Stacey around, could you tell him it is "Delta" who is organizing the LaTeX thingy at NTNU? He asked me about it, but I did not see his question untill much latex.
 
@N3buchadnezzar If you write @AndrewStacey he'll be notified.
 
7:23 PM
@AndrewStacey It is "Delta" who is organizing the LaTeX thingy at NTNU
@TorbjørnT like that ?
 
@N3buchadnezzar Until much latex? :-)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Yup.
 
@AlanMunn Later is very similar to latex :$
:p
 
7:56 PM
@FrankMittelbach Thought on coffins and grids. Sample syntax \PutCoffin[relative={boxA, pole=tr}, pos={2\xgrid, 5\ygrid}, align=bl, rotate=90, offsetx=2pt, offsety=1pt]{boxB}. Either relative or absolute to trigger, absolute or relative positioning, can be useful. At absolute simply something similar to put.
 
8:09 PM
I see that our moderator election started a year ago today (tex.stackexchange.com/election). No sign of a new election!
 
@JosephWright We should have a party to celebrate one year. :)
 
@YiannisLazarides sorry not really there ... installing a new router at home and connection problems that I need to resolve
 
@FrankMittelbach Not to worry:)
 
@YiannisLazarides oh I do worry when some machines go offline and I don't see what's wrong :-(
 
8:36 PM
How can one write \[$x=\frac{1}{2}$\begin{bmatrix}...\end{bmatrix}\] and then come asking here, without even thinking to look at the error message? :(
And the question gets two upvotes!
 
@egreg /sob :(
 
leo
8:52 PM
hi everybody
 
@leo Hi! :)
 
leo
does anyone knows a program to do a puzzle from a picture?
better if is in LaTeX
 
leo
9:21 PM
@PauloCereda thanks, thats exactly that I need
 
@egreg It took me a while to learn how to read the error messages. If they just downloaded TeXLive and are from a windows background they might not have any experience with log files, they just know when they hit 'go' it doesn't work.
@leo I recall that the PracTeX journal may have had some things along those lines.
 
leo
@Canageek do you remember the number
 
@leo No, but it would have been in the just for fun section, and there were very few issues, just glance at the titles in the index.
@AlanMunn I don't think that is inherently a bad thing then, as if I, as a rather poor TeX user looking to get help will see a higher voted question more easily. Also people who want help with 'obscure bug from crazy layout Y' will probably know the search terms better and be able to find the more obscure question. I'm not saying it is good that you guys don't get credit on it, but don't you hit reputation cap most days anyway?
 
@Canageek Doesn't happen to those that started from the command line and no fancy syntax coloring, as the terminal showed only green characters. :) But there were some handy facilities for TeX on the EDT editor on our university's Vax running VMS.
 
@egreg CGA screen? :)
 
9:31 PM
@PauloCereda MDA screen!
 
@AndreyVihrov Wow. :)
 
@PauloCereda Of course, both hardly apply to VAX
 
@PauloCereda But then we had Textures on the Macintosh Plus.
 
@AndreyVihrov vt100?
 
@JosephWright Yes, vt100
 
9:42 PM
@egreg, and it's still on your desk?
 
@DavidCarlisle I could probably find one somewhere :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle No, I used one at the university. But I still have my Mac Plus in my room.
@DavidCarlisle Do you remember the dvi2tty "previewer"?
 
yes;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle It's still in TeX Live, actually. :)
 
@Canageek I was explaining not complaining :-). The comment was mainly a response to @DavidCarlisle amazement at getting so much rep for a very simple answer.
 
9:55 PM
although actually I started out using TeX with the luxury of sun3's and dviview (one of the nicest previewers ever) but my friends over in maths just had terminal connections to the mainframe and it wasn't so nice
@AlanMunn, I got a second badge for that one later:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I only used xdvi on a HP-UX workstation, other than Textures and OzTeX. OzTeX previewer was terrible, it got better only after some years when antialiasing was introduced.
 
X came out later but sunview on the suns was way ahead of its time, and the vortex project's dviview was spectacularly good even back in 87 when i started with TeX.
 
10:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle I was in a math department, no need for workstations. The HP-UX was in the department where I moved later, which had a good computer science group.
 
Yay! :D
 
@PauloCereda Yay indeed! Well done -- Parabéns
 
@BrentLongborough Obrigado! :) It was a nice adventure. :)
 
@PauloCereda After which the machine collapsed. :)
 
@egreg LOL true story. :P
 
10:33 PM
@PauloCereda But the faulty tlmgr didn't go in the stable tree, did it?
 
@egreg I'm not sure, but I guess not.
The pt_br.po file is now available, but my tlmgr is still the correct one, without the fallback (I forced this translation).
Though I guess the online installer might be the updated thus unstable one. :(
@egreg: I reported a critical issue with tlmgr after the addition of a region code: tug.org/pipermail/tldoc/2012q1/000426.html
 
@PauloCereda Indeed the texlive-msg-installer package has been updated. The note by Norbert says "add pt_br now working" :)
Doing the update now.
 
I think region codes are important, so we can have localized translations, like en_US and en_GB, pt_PT and pt_BR. Norbert wrote a fantastic patch to make tlmgr work with region codes, but for some reason, the English fallback failed in my tests. I tried to track down the abnormal behaviour, but it's quite difficult for me since I'm not versed in Perl. :(
 
@PauloCereda Norbert can think in Perl. :)
 
@egreg Indeed! :D
 
10:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle My Dad and I still have a C64 collection in our basement, with one set up and working. The only problem is we are low on disk drives, they seem to wear out more quickly then anything else
 
@PauloCereda Once we were at the GuIT meeting in Pisa and I suggested him some enhancements (regarding downloading only a small part of the database when checking for updates); in less than ten minutes he had a working version (but also had found a few bugs). tlmgr was at the beginning, at the time.
 
@egreg ....you can syntax highlight the tex log file? I was just running grep "! " -A 5 -B 5 to get 10 lines around every error. But I meant, if you are from a windows background you aren't used to opening a log file to find errors: You expect all the information to popup on screen (Like TeXMaker and TeXStudio do, for better or worse)
@PauloCereda Has anyone made a Canadian English version of it? :D
 
@Canageek hehe not yet. But now you can, thanks to region code! :D
@egreg Wow! :)
 
@PauloCereda Actually I had pointed out at a bug, he found some others.
 
Bleh, I learned last night that basic things in LaTeX like making sure your braces match is much harder at 2 am.
 
10:52 PM
@Canageek I find that kind of filtering too scanty. But, as I said, I'm used to the screen messages. It shouldn't be too difficult to write a nice filter: the output is well structured, if package writers adhere to the conventions.
 
@egreg What type of errors don't start with "! "? I thought that was the designator...
 
@Canageek Errors always start with !. I meant a filter also for warnings and informational messages.
 
@egreg Wouldn't that fill my screen with pointless warnings from microtype that it doesn't have obscure character from package X and can't scale that?
@egreg Actually, you could probably just steal TeXmaker/TeXStudio's parser: It is pretty good
 
@Canageek A good filtering program should be configurable to show only what is important and this can change during document preparation: for example, I never worry about "Overfull hbox" messages until I'm in the final stages.
 
@egreg That does sound useful.
And I must say, the log file does seem to be a lot easier to parse then say, the stupid Gaussian output file. @JosephWright might be able to tell you about that thing.
 
J G
11:58 PM
@Canageek. Hey!
 
Hey JG
 
J G
@Canageek Do you know how to stretch a table vertically?
 

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