The Nineteenth Byte

Fatalize

6:00 PM

@Downgoat I* :)

ETHproductions

Wow, the Java meme earned more stars than the graduation meme? That's impressive

DrMcMoylex

Tricksy hobbitses

TuxCopter

ɪ is better

Kritixi Lithos

@DrMcMoylex Indeed it was the hobbitses who sent Saruman away from the Shire

Calvin's Hobbies

@KritixiLithos Well they were gonna but then he died there

(sorry, spoilers...)

TuxCopter

6:04 PM

-1 for spoilers Q_Q

Downgoat

@Fatalize no.

Geobits

@Calvin'sHobbies Dude. I was halfway through the series :/

Kritixi Lithos

@Calvin'sHobbies But then it was Wormbreath (I think that's his name) who killed him, not the hobbits

DrMcMoylex

I feel like LOTR is one of those series that are so old and well known you can't complain about spoilers

Geobits

Nah, it just came out like a few years ago.

DrMcMoylex

6:07 PM

Then again, I know someone who knows nothing about LOTR. I tried making a joke about lembas bread and he just gave me a blank look and it was so sad

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits Tom Bombadil's boots are yellow! (If you're serious then sorry ._.)

Kritixi Lithos

The novels are over a googol times better than the movies

@Calvin'sHobbies But Bombadil appeared in the first book, which is within the first half

Geobits

Or not. Probably not.

Yodle

@KritixiLithos Wormtongue*

Kritixi Lithos

@DrMcMoylex It was only after reading LOTR than I knew the origin of NetHack's lembas wafers

Doorknob

6:08 PM

@KritixiLithos NetHack takes a lot from LotR.

DrMcMoylex

0_0 I didn't know NH had lembas wafers, that's beautiful

El'endia Starman

@KritixiLithos Wormtongue, I think.

Kritixi Lithos

Uruk-hais, elven daggers, hobbitses, lembas, ...

Doorknob

@DrMcMoylex It's also got Nazgul, which become extinct after 9 have been created. :)

El'endia Starman

@Yodle Shoot, you ninja'd me. But at least I'm not wrong! :P

Kritixi Lithos

6:10 PM

@Doorknob There are Nazgul in NetHack? Where?

TuxCopter

@KritixiLithos nethackwiki.com/wiki/Nazgul

Yodle

@El'endiaStarman I had to look it up, I was gonna say Wormtail at first.

Doorknob

@KritixiLithos They randomly appear just like other monsters. I think I remember one ascension in which I accidentally extincted them, just because nine happened to appear. :P

Kritixi Lithos

@Doorknob You ascended? I've never made past the gnome dungeons :)

Doorknob

@KritixiLithos 8 times, yes :P

Geobits

6:13 PM

Doorknob is really good at that really bad game ;)

DrMcMoylex

Damn

TuxCopter

@Geobits Sorry, I didn't hear the last part

Geobits

Oh you heard it all right.

Calvin's Hobbies

LOTR Book Quiz: Without Googling, what's the name of the chapter where Strider is first introduced (in person).

betseg

Introducing Strider

Calvin's Hobbies

6:14 PM

no

Geobits

Something something ranger

TuxCopter

@Geobits Then ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits no

Geobits

It's at the inn, right?

Kritixi Lithos

The Tavern

DrMcMoylex

6:14 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies what about second breakfast?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits yeah

Easier Question: Name of the place Frodo sails away from

Fatalize

grey havens

Calvin's Hobbies

yup

Fatalize

harder: The name of Aragorn's father

Calvin's Hobbies

@Fatalize Arathorn

Geobits

6:15 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies Oops I cheated. What a disappointing answer

Fatalize

Hmm you're good

Previous name of Minas morgul? :p

Calvin's Hobbies

@Fatalize Minas Ithil (tower of the moon) I think

Fatalize

Correct

Kritixi Lithos

Cirith Ungol

Fatalize

@KritixiLithos that's the tower next to Shelob's cavern

Calvin's Hobbies

6:18 PM

True or false: One of Gimli's (great)*(grand)?fathers was named "Groin"

Kritixi Lithos

I always get mixed with the names :)

@Calvin'sHobbies false, it was Gloin

Fatalize

Gloin is his father

So possibly but I'm not crazy enough to learn family trees of Middle-earth

Calvin's Hobbies

@KritixiLithos That's only his father, go back paternally

Well it's kinda true

lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gr%C3%B3in

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize "Elrond" could actually work also, since Elrond adopted him.

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman Well then he married his sister

Kritixi Lithos

6:19 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies That's a funny name :P

Calvin's Hobbies

Aragorn's mother's name?

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies Hey, they're not related by blood... >_>

Fatalize

Gilraen I think?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Fatalize yes

Fatalize

names ending in en are women in Tolkien's world usually, pretty easy :p

Calvin's Hobbies

6:21 PM

Ooh. Name an ent in The Two Towers besides Treebeard

Kritixi Lithos

SwiftKnees

Calvin's Hobbies

Actually I can only think of one..

Geobits

@Fatalize I think most vowel endings are too, like El'endia :P

Fatalize

I am currently reading the two towers in english, but I can't remember its name

the one they spend a day with while there is the ent's council

Kritixi Lithos

@Calvin'sHobbies Is it the young Ent?

Calvin's Hobbies

6:21 PM

Yeah. Quickbeam

El'endia Starman

@Geobits I'm just mostly happy I didn't happen to choose "Elendil".

Kritixi Lithos

@Calvin'sHobbies Close enough...

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman Elendil is badass

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies Absolutely.

Calvin's Hobbies

Which of the 4 hobbits is oldest?

El'endia Starman

6:22 PM

Merry?

Or youngest

Bilbo :P

youngest is Pippin

Pippin

yes

@El'endiaStarman no

Kritixi Lithos

6:23 PM

Frodo = oldest?

Calvin's Hobbies

Pretty sure

El'endia Starman

Totally unrelated, but this was hilarious: Jason Bourne Cooks Thanksgiving.

ETHproductions

Just from taking a glance at the messages, you'd think this is a chatroom for SciFi & Fantasy :P

Fatalize

But then you remember their chatroom is dead so you know you're not in it :p

Calvin's Hobbies

What are the names of that big river and big falls at the end of Fellowship

Fatalize

6:25 PM

Falls of Rauros

Calvin's Hobbies

mhmm

Fatalize

What other name is Turin known as?

ETHproductions

Tarpi

Fatalize

...

ETHproductions

bad joke. I've never read LotR

Calvin's Hobbies

6:26 PM

@Fatalize He had a lot. Turin Turambar, friendkiller or something, I forget

Kritixi Lithos

Who is Turin?

Calvin's Hobbies

Son of Hurin

Fatalize

@Calvin'sHobbies I'll accept Turambar., Mormegil is another one

Kritixi Lithos

When does Turin appear in lotr?

Fatalize

never, he appears in other books

Geobits

6:27 PM

@Fatalize The Shroud

Calvin's Hobbies

The Children of Húrin

The Children of Húrin is an epic fantasy novel which forms the completion of a tale by J. R. R. Tolkien. He wrote the original version of the story in the late 1910s, revised it several times later, but did not complete it before his death in 1973. His son, Christopher Tolkien, edited the manuscripts to form a consistent narrative, and published it in 2007 as an independent work. The book contains 33 illustrations by Alan Lee, eight of which are full-page and in colour. == Overview == The history and descent of the main characters are given as the leading paragraphs of the book, and the back story...

Good story, imo

Kritixi Lithos

I only read lotr and the Hobbit

Fatalize

Pretty fucked up, but good

Calvin's Hobbies

If you want to get legendariumed, who is the "god" of water?

Geobits

Leviathan >_>

Neptune

DrMcMoylex

6:29 PM

@ETHproductions That's actually one of the things I love most about this room. The variety of topics

Fatalize

Aulë?

Kritixi Lithos

Poseidon

DrMcMoylex

We talk about programming, video games, books, movies, linguistics, etc.

Fatalize

or wait that's the one for crafting

Calvin's Hobbies

Yeah, he's the smith

Fatalize

6:30 PM

Ossë?

Geobits

That's Vulcan

Calvin's Hobbies

Think red, furry, friendly

Geobits

Red Panda?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Fatalize I don't think so, but not sure who that was

Fatalize

@Calvin'sHobbies I think it might be a maia of that water god

yeah I checked

Ossë maia of Ulmo

Calvin's Hobbies

6:31 PM

I'm thinking of Ulmo (like Elmo :p)

Ah, ok

Geobits

Tickle Me Ulmo

Fatalize

There are too many names in the Silmarillion to remember them all anyways

Calvin's Hobbies

There's also a "Tuna Mountain"

Fatalize

there are like 10 different elves whose names start with F

Geobits

I wasn't ever a fan of the Silmarillion. It's like reading purposely obfuscated code.

Calvin's Hobbies

6:32 PM

@Fatalize That's what I thought until I read ASOIAF. Thousands of minor, named characters, or at least several hundred

@Fatalize Feanor, Finarfin, Fingolfin, Finwe, Finrod Felagund, Fluffy...

El'endia Starman

Also unrelated: supercritical CO2 in a glass tube.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits He'd probably move an island on top of you if you tried

One more LOTR quiz: How was golf invented in-universe?

DrMcMoylex

I didn't realize golf existed in-universe

Kritixi Lithos

PPCG

Geobits

Wasn't it something terrible with goblin heads or something?

Calvin's Hobbies

6:39 PM

@Geobits Yes!

Geobits

I don't remember exactly how, but I remember it was related to enemy decapitation lol

Fatalize

Probably the stupidest thing in all of LOTR

Calvin's Hobbies

Someone whacked a goblin head into a hold during an invasion and thus the game of golf was invented.

Fatalize

Code orc beheading

Geobits

Ah, yes:

> According to the narrative in the book The Hobbit, during the battle Bandobras charged the ranks of the goblins of Mount Gram and with a wooden club knocked the goblin chieftain Golfimbul's head clean off, sending it sailing a hundred yards through the air and down a rabbit-hole, thus (according to Tolkien's novel The Hobbit) winning the battle and inventing the game of Golf at the same time.

Sounds apocryphal. I wonder if Bilbo fact-checked that.

Kritixi Lithos

6:43 PM

Maybe the Ring fact-checked it for him

Calvin's Hobbies

Hobbits have a passion for family history. It could be legit.

Geobits

Dunno. Pretty sure not everything I've heard about my own family is true :P

Oral histories have a way of getting "expanded upon".

DrMcMoylex

The Bitsingtons have a long and fascinating history of epic adventures

Kritixi Lithos

So do the Bytesingtons

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits Tell us the story of the first downvote.

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Geobits

6:49 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies One day as I was browsing the site, I came across a Javascript answer that seemed a bit funny. It turns out, it didn't really solve the problem at all, but left a few edge cases unchecked. Being the dutiful user that I am, I sharpened my mouse and went to work. The battle was bloody, and left both sides exhausted, but in the end, the day was won. I had learned a newfound respect for my abilities, and well, you know the rest.

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DrMcMoylex

From what I heard, he got his might downvote mouse from his father. An elegant weapon for a more civilized age .

Geobits

True, but it wasn't until I wielded the power for myself that I really understood what he meant by duty.

Yodle

TIL F5 is a shortcut for inserting the current date/time in notepad.exe thanks to @ETHproductions's answer here

Calvin's Hobbies

One downvote to rule them all...

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Nathan Merrill

-.- why aren't unicode table characters spaced like normal characters?

El'endia Starman

6:52 PM

@Yodle I discovered that by accident a couple times. :P

Geobits

@Calvin'sHobbies Nine for the Emo Wolves with their lack of wit...

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Calvin's Hobbies

...and in the downness bind them.

Geobits

In the land of Code Golf, where the answers vie.

DrMcMoylex

> "Four downvotes for the Mod-kings under the userpage,
Seven for the challenge-writers in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal users, doomed to use Java,
One for the Dark Geobits on his dark throne
In the Land of PPCG, where the golfers lie.
One downvote to rule them all, One downvote to find them,
One downvote to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of PPCG, where the golfers lie."

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Geobits

TIL I own the One, one of the Seven, and one of the Nine. Good times.

Fatalize

6:58 PM

So Black Speech is Java then?

PhiNotPi

Seems accurate.

DrMcMoylex

@Geobits If we're going by top challenge writers, the seven belong to Calvin, Martin, Doorknob, Zgarb, Joe Z, Me, and Beta Decay.

Geobits

Seems so. It's a perversion of the Common Tongue, which I guess is C.

@DrMcMoylex Meh. Quality over quantity :P

DrMcMoylex

Whoops, wrong query

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits You wanna go?

Geobits

7:01 PM

I'm top 3 for [koth], so I'm satisfied with that :P

Nathan Merrill

...this really makes no sense. How am I supposed to make tables with the unicode characters if the unicode horizontal table characters don't match the width of standard ascii characters?

DrMcMoylex

Update: The seven (by score) are Calvin, Martin, Doorknob, Zgarb, Me, Joe Z, and Phi. (source)

PhiNotPi

WOO!!!

DrMcMoylex

high-five!

Calvin has a higher score than the other top 3 added together. 0_0

Geobits

@DrMcMoylex Average score seems like a better metric.

Sherlock9

7:03 PM

I am happy to be a hobbit, who occasionally pops up and does something cool :D

DrMcMoylex

No, definitely not. There are plenty of users with one 100+ challenge.

PhiNotPi

@Geobits talk about shifting the goalposts

Geobits

@DrMcMoylex Sure, put a minimum of 5 or 10 challenges on it.

@PhiNotPi More than a shift. I'm using a bulldozer ;)

DrMcMoylex

I think regularly posting good questions is better than occasionally posting amazing challenges.

Geobits

Sure, but going purely on score count still favors quantity more imo.

Sherlock9

7:05 PM

Dark Geobits is the ring-maker in this analogy. If he wants to decide how best to distribute the downvotes of power so that he can turn them into downvote-wraiths, that's his prerogative

Nathan Merrill

@Geobits top 2 :P

and catching up to Rainbolt :P

Calvin's Hobbies

If Geobits is Sauron because of downvotes, can I be Tom Bombadil as an anomaly of challenge writing? Plus I don't contribute a lot to the effort of moving the story forward by giving answers.

Geobits

Haha, I like that tag. 2nd answerer and 3rd asker :D

Calvin's Hobbies

Martin would be Aragorn

Or Gandalf?

Nathan Merrill

oh, I was trying to one-up you, but you misinterpreted it as a compliment -.-

Geobits

7:07 PM

Oh crap, I gotta go >_>

@NathanMerrill I usually try to ;)

Sherlock9

See you, Geobits

I'm going to bed, myself. Let's continue this extended analogy later on :D

Let me add that Chris Jester-Young should be Boromir

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits Bye. (PS I know that you are just making up an excuse to do some serial downvoting :P )

Sherlock9

Or one of the other mods that don't come around anymore

DrMcMoylex

Would this challenge be a dupe? Given n, print a number pyramid of size n. Example for 5:

        1
      1 2 1
    1 2 3 2 1
  1 2 3 4 3 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1
  1 2 3 4 3 2 1
    1 2 3 2 1
      1 2 1
        1

Sherlock9

How would you deal with two-digit numbers?

Nathan Merrill

7:09 PM

...you clearly need to use the alphabet

Sherlock9

And I don't know if it's a dupe

Nathan Merrill

and max N = 26

DrMcMoylex

@NathanMerrill I know people are sick of alphabet challenges, but that's actually a fantastic idea

Kritixi Lithos

No more alphabet challenges please

DrMcMoylex

Would the input be a letter or a number...?

Nathan Merrill

7:10 PM

its the same category as alphabet

even if you don't use the actual alphabet

@DrMcMoylex number

PhiNotPi

new challenge idea: alphabet tesseract

DrMcMoylex

@NathanMerrill What do you mean?

Nathan Merrill

printing 3d is hard enough

@DrMcMoylex the challenge is basically an alphabet challenge, even if you were to output numbers, not letters

DrMcMoylex

Is that necessarily a bad thing? The "Alphabet challenges" that everybody complains about are straight-up "print this text". This is more ascii-art

Nathan Merrill

oh, I don't think alphabet challenges are bad at all

PhiNotPi

7:16 PM

CMC: print anything except the following text: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Nathan Merrill

I don't have any problem with them

Kritixi Lithos

class A{public static void main(String[]a){System.out.print(31415);}}

DrMcMoylex

Oh I don't either. But I can understand how getting 5+ in a week is obnoxious

PhiNotPi

@KritixiLithos I find that offensive.

DrMcMoylex

class A{public static void main(String[]a){System.out.print(16180);}}

Kritixi Lithos

7:18 PM

@PhiNotPi Perhaps then you should get a cup of Java

PhiNotPi

10/10

Kritixi Lithos

Oh, now I get why you find it offensive....

DrMcMoylex

TBH, pi is cool but the golden ration is way cooler

Kritixi Lithos

But you cannot eat phi, only pi

Geobits

pi : pie :: phi : pho

Kritixi Lithos

7:23 PM

DrMcMoylex

That looks delicious

Kritixi Lithos

I wish I could grab it from the screen

Gabriel Benamy

same, that looks good

flawr

7:39 PM

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ there is a gif?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@flawr ...that's where it came from

@flawr Some random copy of it I found on Google:

Flp.Tkc

quality chat here

DrMcMoylex

Oh My gosh. This Film Theory is horrifying but it makes perfect sense.

Gabriel Benamy

code golf challenge: calculate the fewest number of button presses to beat any Gen I pokemon game without the use of glitches

Geobits

@GabrielBenamy Is it implied that I can run from every random battles and still be strong enough to beat the game?

With one poke (starter)

Otherwise I don't know that there is a fewest

Gabriel Benamy

7:54 PM

@Geobits it depends on what strategy you use. abusing the AI is not a glitch (see: the video where someone beat's cynthia in BW with a team of newborn pokemon without using the FEAR strategy), but in general, a level 2 pidgey is not gonna survive against a level 80 gyarados

mınxomaτ

@DrMcMoylex Ugh, that host is way too hyper for me. I much prefer more calm film essays.

Geobits

Right, so it depends on how many random battles you get in and against what. You could have a "fewest achieved so far", but I don't know about a "theoretical minimum".

Gabriel Benamy

@Geobits And yet such a minimum must, by necessity, exist

DrMcMoylex

@mınxomaτ Aw, that's too bad. I really like his channels

Geobits

For each seed, yes. Not necessarily between two given saved games.

DrMcMoylex

7:58 PM

I don't really think of them as "film essays" though. And most of them are about video games

Gabriel Benamy

@Geobits Each seed has a minimum. There are a finite number of seeds. Therefore, there must exist some minimum.

mınxomaτ

> Film Theory

Nathan Merrill

@GabrielBenamy but then a level 2 pidgey would beat a level 80 gyrados

Yodle

@GabrielBenamy Do you have a link to said video?

DrMcMoylex

Yeah, his other (more popular) channel is game theory

Gabriel Benamy

7:59 PM

B/W Cynthia level 1 challenge w/ English commentary

►

@NathanMerrill A) Can you prove that if Gyarados misses every shot and pidgey crits every shot, that 1) Pidgey will beat Gyarados before it runs out of PP and struggles itself to death, 2) Pidgey can beat everyone in the Elite Four in this manner, and 3) that such a seed does, in fact, exist

Nathan Merrill

as long as I can save and reload a seed, then sure

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies You might want to edit the question; these answers are just extensions of the previous discussion

Kind of ridiculous IMO

New Meta Posts

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Q: Making an exception for the "Showcase of Languages"

Comparing the vote tallies on Proposal to lock the Language Showcase as historically significant before and after the Showcase your language one vote at a time was closed and locked leads me to the following conclusion. The community agrees the showcase is not an optimal solution. While it is t...

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quartata

Oh hey! Shiny!

@Dennis While I initially disagreed with the showcase being or needing to be an exception your answer is awesome and I think should be done no matter what

+1

Calvin's Hobbies

Does exception imply reopening?

Nathan Merrill

8:10 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies there's a section with "Unlock and Reopen"

quartata

My only concern is people losing rep they had from the CW

Martin Ender

> In case you're worried, this will not affect the reputation you have already earned.

Dennis

^

quartata

Phew OK

DrMcMoylex

I think this is a good point though:

"This would also mean removing the one vote at a time rule." I'm absolutely in favour of this, but then the last restriction on the challenge is gone. Since the showcase is incredibly broad anyway, this probably won't matter at this point. But it raises the question, whether it should be replaced with some content guidelines for what exactly the answers should be (so that they retain their showcase character without derailing into a learnxinyminutes.com mirror). Should answers be encouraged to present snippets of increasing complexity? Should they focus on golfing? On weird features? ...? — Martin Ender ♦ 2 mins ago

quartata

8:11 PM

Sorry missed that

ETHproductions

@MartinEnder LOL'ed at the thought of you losing 3580 rep from your Mathematica answer

TuxCopter

I think the Mathematica answer rep-capped a lot of times

ETHproductions

Probably so, but I didn't factor that in to my instantaneous idea

Hey, can you use regular Markdown in stack snippets?

DrMcMoylex

CMC: Say two random integers to help me come up with some test IO

ETHproductions

4 and 23

DrMcMoylex

8:16 PM

That's actually perfect

mınxomaτ

two random integers

Martin Ender

5, -3

DrMcMoylex

@mınxomaτ Thankyou very much.

:P

mınxomaτ

That'd actually be a good thing to test for

TuxCopter

78016251063572303594041270305338162165544291146338320 and 54456942035140242519298608747422744419627605243512402

Gabriel Benamy

8:17 PM

-17, 2+3i

No, and no.

Q_Q

0,0

Already covered

@DrMcMoylex No love for Gaussian integers, huh?

ETHproductions

8:19 PM

31415, 16180

daHugLenny

10 and 50

TuxCopter

Then what about
20035299304068464649790723515602557504478254755697514192650169737108940595563114530895061308809333481010382343429072631818229493821188126688695063647615470291650418719163515879663472194429309279820843091048559905701593189596395248633723672030029169695921561087649488892540908059114570376752085002066715637023661263597471448071117748158809141357427209671901518362825606180914588526998261414250301233911082736038437678764490432059603791244909057075603140350761625624760318637931264847037437829549756137709816046144133086921181024859591523801953310302921628001605686701056516467505680…

Calvin's Hobbies

@MartinEnder Wouldn't people not get rep "pings" anymore and always have to visit the question to see if they can update their answer (assuming the votes=length rule is not dropped).

TuxCopter

^

Martin Ender

@Calvin'sHobbies yes (?)

ETHproductions

8:22 PM

I have to do this already with the ES6 answer I took over from Optimizer

Calvin's Hobbies

@MartinEnder Also:

Doesn't dropping the one vote at a time rule make it much more broad, which was the complaint in the first place? Not to mention mess up the structure of all existing answers (or all new answers, depending on how you view it). — Calvin's Hobbies 24 secs ago

ETHproductions

But it would be super annoying to have to do that with all of one's answers

Calvin's Hobbies

@ETHproductions Do what?

ETHproductions

That was supposed to be in conjuntion with my last message, but you kind of ninja'd me :P

Nathan Merrill

@Calvin'sHobbies "Since the showcase is incredibly broad anyway, this probably won't matter at this point"

ETHproductions

8:26 PM

(It would be super annoying to have to manually check all one's answers for upvotes)

DrMcMoylex

I'm gonna post this soon. Any final thoughts?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Hexagonal coordinates: Polar to cartesian code-golf math hexagonal-grid Wikipedia says about Polar Coordinates: In mathematics, the polar coordinate system is a two-dimensional coordinate system in which each point on a plane is determined by a distance from a reference point and an angle...

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies 1. You don't get "pinged" anyway once you hit the rep cap. This is a "feature" I'm not very fond of; I care more about upvotes than about reputation. 2. Of all changes I propose, this is the one I really, really think should be made.

Kade

I have a language idea, tell me if it's too ridiculous: the user defines 6 stacks which each correspond to the strings on a standard guitar (EADGBe), and then below this there are chords which correspond to different chords that do different things

Kind of like this:

-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-8-9-...
---------------------...
-1-------------------...
-------7-------------...
---------------------...
---2-------5---4-----...

C# Bb Bb G G* ...

DrMcMoylex

As a guitar player and esolang aficionado, I love it.

Kade

I thought originally of doing it in a full kind of tablature form, but I think this might be better

The best name I have thought of is Shred

ETHproductions

8:35 PM

I've always wanted to make a guitar-based esolang...

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis Very very few people hit the rep cap on a regular basis.

ETHproductions

Of course, I know piano far better than I know guitar, so maybe I should start there

DrMcMoylex

Ha, same here.

I didn't know you played, that's cool

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis Even I haven't done it 50 times

Kade

I'm trying to think of how the data can be used between stacks, that might be a bit of a struggle

DrMcMoylex

8:38 PM

Alright, no comments so I'll post it

ETHproductions

A piano-based esolang might have commands like C3 Bb2 A5, or maybe chords like Kade's idea

PhiNotPi

I should make a language named Clari.NET

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Nathan Merrill

-.-

Flp.Tkc

quality pun

DrMcMoylex

@ETHproductions What if every command was a chord, and it did one thing to the root note, something else to the middle note and something else to the top note?

ETHproductions

8:40 PM

Ooh, much golfier

So like three stacks, or each chord is three commands in one?

DrMcMoylex

No, 12 stacks, every command affects three different stacks in different ways

Flp.Tkc

what about the 4,5,6 -note chords

Nathan Merrill

...wait. why are notes affecting stacks?

control flow should be through actual sheet music control flow: we have repeats, multiple endings, and gotos

ETHproductions

@DrMcMoylex Oh, gotcha. That would be ridiculously hard to keep track of though...

DrMcMoylex

@NathanMerrill Ooh, I like that. How would you notate it though?

Flp.Tkc

8:42 PM

repeat can be [: :]

Nathan Merrill

eh, make up some short form

just realize if you limit it to sheet music control structures, you lose turing completedness

as if statements don't exist

DrMcMoylex

feature-request include with the interpreter a command that exports an mp3

Yodle

@DrMcMoylex I wonder what the Hello, World! program would sound like.

ETHproductions

I need to figure out how to work with sounds in JS

Nathan Merrill

oh, actually, just implement it in MusicXML

ETHproductions

8:44 PM

There is also Fugue, though I don't know much about it

DrMcMoylex

How would you notate 1/8th, 1/4th 1/2nd notes, etc?

Nathan Merrill

that way, you literally have thousands of songs that are already represented as such

and you can write your sheet music in pretty much any program you want

Gabriel Benamy

ABC notation

ABC notation is a shorthand form of musical notation. In basic form it uses the letters A through G to represent the given notes, with other elements used to place added value on these - sharp, flat, the length of the note, key, ornamentation. Later, with computers becoming a major means of communication, others saw the possibilities of using this form of notation as an ASCII code that could facilitate the sharing of music online, also adding a new and simple language for software developers. In this later form it remains a language for notating music using the ASCII character set. The earlier...

Create an esolang whose only valid syntax is abc notation

and whose output is a midi file

DrMcMoylex

Language name: Mozart

ETHproductions

How the heck would that do standard IO though?

DrMcMoylex

8:46 PM

We'll figure it out somehow

Nathan Merrill

wait...who says it needs to do standard IO?

seriously, we have stuff like Minecraft which doesn't have standard io

TuxCopter

What about MIDI I/O?

Yodle

@ETHproductions Input: microphone, different tones correspond to different ASCII characters.

Nathan Merrill

you just use a common "output" as truthy/falsy/some other variable

Flp.Tkc

if I eat a ><> does it become a >-|-|-|->

ETHproductions

8:48 PM

@NathanMerrill Minecraft I believe has a console though, which can be used through command blocks

DrMcMoylex

You cam play around with it here:

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Q: ABCjs integration now available

Update: ABCjs is now enabled on the main site as well. If there are any problems, please report them the usual way - in a new post tagged bug. Thanks, and enjoy! Y'all asked for ABCjs integration earlier, and I'm happy to announce that we have something ready to test out here. First of all, n...

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Nathan Merrill

regardless, we don't require that answers output to standard IO

Gabriel Benamy

gosh, that was fast

Martin Ender

@Calvin'sHobbies For the record, I agree with Dennis that this is the most important change among his suggestions.

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Gabriel Benamy

8:51 PM

Get this new esolang to play John Cage's 4'33

DrMcMoylex

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A: ABCjs integration now available

TuxCopter

How to remove all bots on TF2?

Gabriel Benamy

@DrMcMoylex I actually once wrote a Mathematica program to convert ABC files to MIDI files

Nathan Merrill