News room

people are flipping out that he wouldn't say last night that he would accept the outcome of the election.... why should he blindly accept the outcome if it was rigged .

Himarm

"mrs clinton its been said you used your charity as a pay to play facilitator while secretary of state " " well ive helped people and will completly ignore your question"

im sitting here like... al gore?

really?

this really just happened when bush was elected

he contested florida for what, a month?

Skooba

12:18 PM

yeah

at least

Himarm

making binding statements about something volitole

"why do you say this election is rigged"

"because you people let hillary run?"

he was really smooth on his taxes too

"he hasnt paid taxes"

Skooba

because she rigged it against bernie, why wouldn't she do the same now

Himarm

"you have had 30 years to change those laws and you didnt, and you wont, because your owned by warren buffet, and george soros"

Skooba

she had 30 years to try to fix the tax laws. or at least show that she wanted to change them

jinx

Himarm

and he mentioned how tose said billionaires also take advanage of deductions

Skooba

12:23 PM

although I heard Buffet said no he didn't and released his returns

this had me rolling....

DONALD TRUMP buys 2 kids

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I wish this actually happened like right after a debate or something

Himarm

i saw that a few days ago

i need this car

heres a check

what aobut my kids

check

by hunny have funwith mr trump

"obama care is needed" "your husband doesnt agree with you"

lol

Bill always fking up her life

Skooba

looking at his old interviews tho, the guy has had the same hair cut for 30 years

Was he even there last night? the camera never showed him

Himarm

they didnt pan to the audience all night

from what i remember

Skooba

no, but even after we saw all trumps family, but not bill

Himarm

if i was hillary id keep him hidden

they paraded his sex victiums at the last debate

stick him onthe back burner most of her negative press comes from him lo

Skooba

12:29 PM

news says he was there

if trump could have kept his 80s demeanor and tone he be winning hands down, but he gets too excited

but yeah dude has wanted to president since then too, he might have waited too long

steelerfan

God. You guys weren't in Mos, so, I figured you were in here complaining about Hilary ;)

Himarm

well party dissatisfaction has reached a peak

Skooba

@steelerfan GOOD MORNING!

I AM FIRED UP

Himarm

and the republicans ran through the viable candidates the last 2 elections

steelerfan

@Skooba HAHAHA! Well, that's what this room is for. What are you fired up about?

Skooba

12:37 PM

@steelerfan how awful Hillary is

steelerfan

Oh my.

There was actually a Trump ad at the movies last night.

Skooba

Maybe Jon Voight called in a favor lol

steelerfan

It was actually a good ad. I liked it.

Himarm

informationliberation.com/?id=55710

5.7% of theclinton foundation money in 2014 went to charities

steelerfan

It was a young woman talking about being attacked and how she survived because she was able to carry a gun in her purse.

Himarm

12:40 PM

your watching it and patting the gun in your purse?

steelerfan

@Skooba Is Voight a Trump supporter?

Skooba

and the whole Haiti thing. And even Chris Matthews called her out on taking money from the banks, then she ignored donald calling her out on taking millions from the saudis

steelerfan

Hehehe! I don't carry a gun in my purse...just in my car ;)

Himarm

"why do you take 20 million from people who push gays off buildings, mistreat women"

"well my foundation cured aids"

lol no

Skooba

Donald Trump Biography Introduction Video Narrated by Jon Voight Republican National Convention

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@steelerfan thatta girl

as a Life Member of the NRA, I must say I am proud

steelerfan

12:44 PM

I must say...Ivanka Trump is stunningly beautiful and carries herself extremely well while Trump's other daughter is just...ugh.

Skooba

@steelerfan wife likes ivanka too. I think she used the word "fabulous"

steelerfan

@Skooba Oh, you didn't know that? Everyone around here makes fun of me for it ;) I think it's because most are from Europe and just aren't used to it.

Himarm

i didnt even know he had 2 daughters

god the younger won looks a little dead behind the eyes like paris hilton

Skooba

@steelerfan Gosh that reminds me too, I better get my conceal carry permit soon

steelerfan

He had a daughter with his mistress, who he ended up leaving his first wife for and he eventually married her. He left her for his current wife.

@Skooba Have you ever had one before?

Himarm

12:48 PM

im glad he keeps her hidden

she looks really stupid

Skooba

@steelerfan nope. haven't really needed one.

@Himarm kinda like jfks sister

steelerfan

@Himarm Yeah...she just doesn't mesh well with the first three kids. I know that Ivanka has always been his favorite.

Skooba

@steelerfan Tiff came from the second marriage right, while the other are from the first?

Himarm

ivanka seems smart and classy

the 2 old sons seem kinda durpy too

steelerfan

@Skooba Well, be prepared to go through a huge screening process ;)

Skooba

12:51 PM

@steelerfan meh. i alread have a TWIC credentials, and PA its one piece of paper and you get a same day decision

@Himarm eric talks like a robot

steelerfan

@Skooba Yes. Marla Maples is her mother. Trump left Ivana...who was beautiful, sophisticated and classy for Marla Maples. Sad.

@Skooba Oh, really? You don't have to go through a class?

Skooba

@steelerfan nah. PA is only goes blue because of Philly. So state laws are usually more center

steelerfan

I remember my class and I had a really cool cop. I was asking about self defense if someone broke into my house. He said Make sure that you kill the person and make sure that they're completely in your house. If they "happen" to be standing in your doorway, drag them inside. Oh my.

Himarm

yeah ive heard that alot too

if you shoot their leg

they can sue you

and they live

if you shoot them in your yard, they can sue you

Skooba

@steelerfan HAH! YES!

yeah "pain and suffering" damages

Himarm

12:58 PM

you would assume that while you were commiting a felonly you loose some rights

but noap

steelerfan

Yeah. My husband always told me the same thing. "If someone has entered my house without permission, they aren't leaving alive."

Time to go. See you guys.

Skooba

@steelerfan have a wonderful day!

@Himarm yeah or you know if you werent a citizen to begin with

Himarm

oh yeah did you notice hillary told everyone the nuclear responce time

4 minutes from the presidents call to the missles being launced

i duno if that was alloud or not

Skooba

i think that was maybe not common information but i've read stories from the cold war that talk a lot about the inner working of how a nuke would get launched

cause there were a LOT of close calls

and one time the only reason it didn't happen is a guy took an extra 5 seconds to think and realized something was screwy, and they found that somehow a training program was running in the radar

Himarm

that was the russians wasnt it

that almost launched a nuke

Skooba

1:10 PM

nah it was us

At 9 a.m. on November 9, 1979, a low-level Air Force officer sat down at a computer and booted up a training program that would simulate what would happen if the Soviets fired 1,000 nuclear missiles at America at the same time.

Unfortunately, what he didn't know was that his computer was hooked up to the mainframe in the main NORAD control room. When he began the simulation, computers from NORAD to the Pentagon started reporting that every nuke in Russia was on a collision course with the USA

the Russians almost launched due to a science experiment

On January 25, 1995, scientists in northern Norway launched a completely benign research rocket designed to study the aurora borealis. But even though the Cold War had been over for some years, Russians still collectively soiled themselves when their radar picked up something that looked almost identical to an American ballistic missile flying straight toward them.

Himarm

Stanislav Petrov

Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станисла́в Евгра́фович Петро́в; born 1939 in Vladivostok) is a retired lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces. On September 26, 1983, just three weeks after the Soviet military had shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007, Petrov was the duty officer at the command center for the Oko nuclear early-warning system when the system reported that a missile, followed by another one and then up to five more, were being launched from the United States. Petrov judged the report to be a false alarm, and his decision is credited with having prevented a...

ah this is the guy i was thinking

Skooba

Allegedly, Yeltsin had only a minute left to decide a course of action when the radar announced that the rocket had fallen into the ocean without killing anybody. It would be hours before they could figure out that the object had been a scientific test and not just a really ineffective nuclear missile.

we don't hear as about Russia's close calls because... well its Russia!

SQB

@Himarm aren't they a charity themselves? Employing people who do charitable work?

Himarm

@SQB most of the money they make goes to internal salaries, they dont really DO anything with the money

Skooba

source: cracked.com/…

SQB

1:17 PM

@Himarm Yes, salaries of people who do the charitable work. You wouldn't fault Doctors Without Borders to pay salaries to the doctors they employ, would you?

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Skooba

if you are being paid to do it, it really isnt charity anymore

Dr R Dizzle

@Skooba /facepalm

Skooba

@DrRDizzle it may be "humanitarian"

Dr R Dizzle

Giving money to humanitarian efforts is charity.

Skooba

yes but not by those being paid

its by the ones donating

if you are being paid for your charity, it is no longer charity.

SQB

1:23 PM

> Charitable grants are not a major focus of the Clinton Foundation, which instead keeps most of its money in house and hires staff to carry out its own humanitarian programs.

Skooba

thats a job

KyloRen

What happened to Mos Eisley

SQB

@Skooba I stand corrected.

Dr R Dizzle

@Skooba That is 100% false. Registered charities almost all have employees as well as volunteers. They are still charities.

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SQB

Although it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that the doctors in Doctors Without Borders get paid considerably less than doctors at home, meanwhile risking life and limb. So that's still charity on their part.

Skooba

1:24 PM

@DrRDizzle yes, and the ones who are paid have a job. I am not saying it is wrong. The best charities need to pay their employees to effectively carry out the work. but the employees are not charitable. they are employees

Dr R Dizzle

@Skooba Employees at a charity.

Skooba

@DrRDizzle All that means is they have a job at a company that does nice things.

KyloRen

Why is this called the news room?

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Skooba

@SQB does that mean every member of the military is charitable?

@KyloRen politics room might be a better name now

Dr R Dizzle

@Skooba No, it doesn't. AFAIK, all charities are non-profit organisations, not companies.

Skooba

1:27 PM

it was orignally started during Brexit.

KyloRen

@Skooba, so Mos Eisley is no more?

Skooba

@DrRDizzle but you as an employee are profiting

Dr R Dizzle

@Skooba So?

Skooba

@KyloRen this is just where we talk about off topic political stuff

KyloRen

@Skooba, so where is Mos Eisley?

Skooba

1:29 PM

@KyloRen where it has always been

i pinged you over there

KyloRen

@Skooba, Ok I see now

Skooba

@DrRDizzle so that makes you a normal person. the organization may be a charity, but you as an employee are not

KyloRen

I feel sorry for you guys right now.

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Dr R Dizzle

@Skooba People can't be charities. They can be charitable, which people who work for charities tend to be.

Skooba

@DrRDizzle no. people who donate their time are charitable

meaning those who are not compensated for it

Himarm

1:32 PM

id say doctors without boarders still counts, since the doctors are recieving essentially a living expense salary, about 18k a year instead of the 100k they would make working normally, so they are giving up their safety and comfort

but if your making a normally salary at a charity, your just a normal person

and your not being charitable unless you yourself are making some form of sacrifice

washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/13/…

anyway this is what the controversy with thesecharities is about

they raise the money, they pay their people

but nothing really is done

most of the hati prodjects fell through

Skooba

@Himarm that was esentially my point. I admit I may have went off the rails a bit.

Himarm

but the money was still payed out to their people

so yes they used X million dollars to help the people of hati, but at the end of the day, their people got paid, and hati got nothing

Skooba

@KyloRen What are election like in Japan?

KyloRen

@Skooba, corrupt , just like every other place in the world

Himarm

the red cross had similar "mis managment of funds" during hati too

their people got paid but the prodjects never materialized

Skooba

1:43 PM

@Himarm thats the double edge sword of hiring CEOs from real business. They know hoe effectively run the business side of things, and that also means lining their own pockets

@KyloRen Do the debates get as heated and the population as divided and hateful toward each other?

Himarm

the bigger potential issue, is that these charties pay corporations to build X

and the companies take the 100 million, and build a 5 million dollar structure

and the other 95 million was "expenses"

KyloRen

@Skooba, there is not really any debates as such , like America. But usually the most corrupt wins, just like anywhere else in the world

Himarm

and these companies have suspicious connections to the people running the charities

Skooba

@KyloRen to be a complete racists, I like to imagine the candidates would be dressed in samurai armor and just go at it while some anime characters commentate and/or cheer

Himarm

pikachu death matches

i wouldnt mind if politicians just had to duel it out for their spots

risk their lives for what they believe in

KyloRen

1:49 PM

@Skooba, that would probably be the best outcome as none of the politicians are any good at this shit.

Skooba

Thai parliament chaos !!!

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Himarm

maybe an election to pick candidates

then a duel

between the top 2

pistols seem the best idea

Skooba

Packing a Punch: Fist fights the norm in Ukraine's parliament

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Himarm

what does the parliament in ukraine discuss

Skooba

Italian MPs brawl in parliament over reforms

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Himarm

1:52 PM

you stole my cow you son of a bitch

Skooba

seems like the US is tame

I would to see Nancy Pelosi go at it with Paul Ryan

Woman on my facebook discussing why my views are wrong. " Lets not make it what it used to be lets make it what it can be. We are hoping for change and a better fair future safe for our daughters especially."

She has no kids

I have a daughter. I want to bitch slap her

I would never hold Hillary up as role model to my daughter.

Himarm

"20 million from saudi arabia, where they abuse women, and push gays off buildings"

Skooba

It's so funny what politics do to friendships.

Himarm

yes honey if your husband cheats on you just keep stay with him for politcal gain

Skooba

Like I want to bitch slap her but then my wife will invite her over for dinner, and her husband and i will drink beers

Hillary will piss on your leg and tell you its raining. Donald will piss on your leg, tell you it is piss, but it will somehow help you, then after he is done give you $5.

Himarm

1:58 PM

Skooba

@Himarm I'm sure you remember how they had to literally change the wording on her website after Bill's accusers came back out.

Himarm

i didnt see that

Skooba

@Himarm snopes.com/hillary-clinton-right-to-be-believed

Himarm

oh man, even snopes said its true

hahaha

Skooba

she removed "The right to be believed"

Himarm

2:01 PM

snopes has some suspicious backing, by her super pacs

Skooba

yea snopes and politifact and pretty much bought by the dems

Himarm

they had an email last week that said X saudi prince wants to talk to bill face to face

tell him bill will do it, if he donates 2 million

Skooba

@Himarm this was one of the best parts

Asked about open borders, Clinton brings up Russian hacking and WikiLeaks

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Wallace calling her out!

how do you "trade energy" with the rest of the world. Energy grids can only transfer so far

so of course all our energy is traded with "our neighbors"

what she meant was "oil and gas" but she doesnt want open borders for that, because that would mean more pipelines

so again, which is it hillary......

Himarm

i love trumps closing line

"the demecracts havnt helped the african american communities, every 4 years they promise you stuff, then once they get their vote they say see you in 4 years"

Skooba

Trump: Such a nasty woman.

frame that one

Himarm

2:17 PM

whatever she said before that

with that line from trump

i was in tears

laughing

Skooba

also the free college for anyone making under $125,000... dude if you are putting kids through a $125,00 is shit

the kids will still have to get loans and be in debt

Himarm

i get free college

gibbme

Skooba

either make it free for everyone or don't

I am of the "don't" camp

Himarm

i could see some college price regulations, maybe, but at the same time the public school systems costs way more to run per student then private schools

so they clearly cant regulate that shit correctly

and the administration layer they add is were the price tag goes up

Skooba

I have no problem with public schools, but then again I grew up in NJ where they spend the most per student

Himarm

2:20 PM

chicago schools strike every year

for like amonth

they have some of the highest paid teachers as it is, though to be fair some of the schools suck

out here in the suburbs we have some really shitty schools, and the teachers make like 30k

Skooba

I mean yeah I'd want to be paid more if there was a chance everydayy the students would riot and beat me up

Himarm

in the city their making like 55-60

KyloRen

How the hell is Hillary not in Gaol, any other lacky would be in for life with what she did with her email fiasco

Skooba

@KyloRen preaching to the choir with me and Himarm

Himarm

but then again the nice suburbs the teachers are making 80

KyloRen

2:24 PM

@Skooba, I really do feel sorry for American's. It is like choosing between dog shit and cat shit for dinner, when you want steak

Skooba

@KyloRen I saw a good post. Hillary is everything wrong politics, Donald is everything wrong with our culture.

KyloRen

@Skooba, oh so true!!!

But one of them is going to be president.... Should I slit my wrists now?

Skooba

@KyloRen Well you should be safe in Japan. Both seem to not have a problem with Japan, except for maybe Trump wants your gov to pay for the protection we give it. which I am not really sure what that is. Everybody loves Japanese tech.

KyloRen

@Skooba, Japan has its own shit to deal with, but they will gladly take on anything that America asks them

Skooba

@KyloRen might be time to go back to Australia lol

Himarm

2:40 PM

well donald wants to pull troops out of japan

he said that last night

or at least make you guys foot the bill

but then i read you guys already foot most of the bill

but other countries dont

Skooba

this was another great line "Wait til you see what happens in the coming years. Lots of luck, Hillary. Thanks a lot for doing a great job."

he basically said "gg hill"

Himarm

gg

Himarm

3:56 PM

ArtOfCode

This room was placed in timeout for 1 hour; the topic of this room is "Discuss current events " - conversation should be limited to that topic.

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Himarm

This room was placed in timeout for 1 hour; Okay everyone just leave then for an hour. then back to politics

Himarm

4:53 PM

→ 18 messages moved to Trash

→ 82 messages moved to Trash

→ 96 messages moved to Trash

Feeds

Rand al'Thor has removed Himarm from the list of this room's owners.

ArtOfCode

Since the pins are also gone...

This room has taken political discussion too far, and it's turned into mudslinging. That's not okay, and it stops, or this room does.

10

stop abusing stars, too

Rand al'Thor

@ArtOfCode I was going to move some of the messages back from Trash, but I guess that works too.

ArtOfCode

@Randal'Thor I figured just redoing it was easier

MetaEd

@Randal'Thor With your permission:

in Trash, 1 hour ago, by Rand al'Thor

@Skooba Just because you're all nice to each other (the people in the room) doesn't mean the Be Nice policy is being followed.

ArtOfCode

5:03 PM

@MetaEd you'll need to re-type it if you want to pin it, oneboxes just turn up as links

MetaEd

(Rand al'Thor) Just because you're all nice to each other (the people in the room) doesn't mean the Be Nice policy is being followed.

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@ArtOfCode Thanks.

ArtOfCode

np

Skooba

5:14 PM

thunder rumbles in the distance

DucatiKiller

looking for the popcorn

Skooba

{runs to microwave} Sorry, burned. Going to have to start over

Terriblefan

@Randal'Thor Move the stuff.

Rand al'Thor

@Terriblefan You're not the boss of me.

Skooba

Is it possible to bring that stuff back from trash? It might be important to the transcripts at some point

Terriblefan

5:18 PM

SFF mod, SFF main chat doesn't need suspended because people get offended by anything that goes contrary to their own beliefs.

@Randal'Thor I am 150% the boss of you. I may not have voted for you, but you're still an elected official and I am one of the People you serve. Also, I'd like to talk about Edgar Allen Poe with you and we can't do that if Mos is closed.

I may be a monster, but I'm a pragmatic monster.

Rand al'Thor

@Skooba Yes, I could move it all back again. But the most important stuff is probably on the star-board already.

Skooba

Well, I DID vote for him, so that makes me 151% the boss of him :P

Rand al'Thor

And that Trash room is publicly visible anyway.

Terriblefan

Hey, man, post-election we're all, like, equals?

Skooba

@Randal'Thor I'll leave the final decision up to you. Even though trash is visible it would be a pain to sift through it.

Terriblefan

5:21 PM

@Skooba This was all due to people sifting through our trash and taking offense at things they spent part of their lives to find.

In a just world, we'd just redirect those sorts to Tumblr.

"I've got 3 hours to waste! Time to actively search for something to offend me!"

Skooba

@Terriblefan Well, I just don't want to have to sink to that level

Terriblefan

@Skooba Honestly I'm surprised the flag trolls haven't just gone through Trash and gotten everyone suspended.

Since literally no one is "nice" all the time.

Skooba

I stand by position that the users (any user on SE) was treated nice here. If we can not say anything bad about a politician, then I would like to go to a programming stack and flag everything bad said about a particular programming language.

ArtOfCode

The definitive answer: Shog9 says you have to be nice to everyone, including public figures.

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so does Jon Ericson, for that matter

Terriblefan

@ArtOfCode I wouldn't accept that from that guy.

You know why.

ArtOfCode

5:28 PM

25 secs ago, by ArtOfCode

so does Jon Ericson, for that matter

Rand al'Thor

The last paragraph of that answer particularly resonated with me:

> We've probably all failed this at one point or another. I certainly have, at least once already today... But, the point of the policy is to give us something to aspire to - rather than being content to wallow in yet another Internet cesspool, we should try to create something a little better.

Terriblefan

My opinion on Jon is not a matter for discussion, as it is largely based on his failing to uphold the policy in the past.

Skooba

Well, god help those if they say anything bad about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, etc. etc.

Rand al'Thor

Yes, it's hard to keep to this all the time - we all have some public figures whom we really dislike, whether it's Nigel Farage or Tom Brady. But it's a nice ideal to strive towards. And like I said earlier:

in Trash, 2 hours ago, by Rand al'Thor

One thing that sets SE apart from a lot of the internet is the Be Nice policy. Let's keep it that way. If you want to sling mud, there are more appropriate places to do it.

Terriblefan

@Randal'Thor The issue here is that the news companies are not being nice, and that in turn extends any revelations they choose to omit into the not nice territory.

Mudslinging is supposed to be about slinging untruths.

Most of this is not mud.

It's angry truth.

Jefromi

5:44 PM

I hate to have to say this, but StackExchange has higher standards for discourse than the current US presidential election. You can generally still discuss what has been said, but it's not a good idea to repeat everything and make it your own, or to adopt the same general tone yourself.

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Terriblefan

@Jefromi Issue: no one is saying these things.

These are the things that must be said which go unsaid.

And by trying to stop them from being said, you're being part of the problem.

People can be offended... or they can move on with their lives. We're all still friends in Mos after the Brexit tone was basically "either you're against it or you're an idiot".

Andy

It doesn't have to be said in the Stack Exchange SciFi chat room though

ArtOfCode

I put this room on timeout to stop this argument. Now stop it.

Terriblefan

You're right. We can go somewhere else to say it. And then you realize that you're literally repeating my argument back at me and doing the thing you say you're trying to stop from happening.

Sure, Art.

Skooba

@ArtOfCode If you are going to shut down our discussion on why we like/want the room, and not allow us to defend ourselves, just close it and be done with it

Terriblefan

5:56 PM

Except, little thing here: people who don't want to see this can go away and not be out of SE. We literally can't have these discussions in SE because thin skins matter more than freedom of expression.

Thin skins looking for trouble.

Skooba

@Terriblefan Well, that issue may follow us where ever we go. At that point it may be time to leave, but just like anything large a single user/customer doesn't really matter.

Terriblefan

Reddit wouldn't GAF. Do I want to go there? No.

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