The Nineteenth Byte

flawr

21:00

@StevenH. define it however you want=)

But said limit actually holds.

Steven H.

It's like saying that (-0.5)! ~= -3.54491... Factorial is only defined for the positive integers, but gamma is its extension to all other numbers

flawr

Just a matter of definition.

Rainbolt

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flawr

@Rainbolt The singularity has come!

Who knows, perhaps the title is in a differnt time zone than the body.

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Remember that SSH brute force that hit your VPS a while ago, well it was probably part of this: blogs.akamai.com/2016/10/620-gbps-attack-post-mortem.html

betseg

21:05

^^ had the same thought

mınxomaτ

@flawr Yes. For some reasons, I always receive DHL packages from the future.

flawr

@mınxomaτ How cool is that! The parcel service where I live does not only bring me packages from the past, but also they are usually way too late...

Nathan Merrill

@Rainbolt you use a @yahoo email as your primary email?

mınxomaτ

This is interesting. But it's hilarious if you read the text under each image as it's title.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Oh no, Firefox is starting to crash

> Microsoft Chrome
Microsoft Firefox
Google Word
Google Firefox
Mozilla Word
Mozilla Chrome

flawr

21:15

I used to love firefox, but over the recent years it has gotten worse and worse.

Steven H.

Starting to? It's like saying procedural programming is starting to be replaced by other paradigms

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

As in, the program crashes

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ "A group photo of military electricians, 1918" rofl

flawr

Chrooglicrofox

mınxomaτ

@Maltysen I like "the princess of iran" jumping into a wall.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

21:17

@flawr I only started using Firefox when Chrome started BSoDing Windows and making Ubuntu hang

(no joke)

Steven H.

Rainbolt

@NathanMerrill Secondary personal. My primary personal is gmail, and I used Yahoo for junk (shopping on Amazon, signing up for shady websites, etc.).

And then there's the work email that I probably use more than anything

Direct family (mom dad brother) has my work email and I asked them not to share. When other family members use my work email I forward it and respond from gmail.

flawr

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ BsoDing?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Blue Screen of Death

Blue Screen of Death (also known as a blue screen or BSoD) is an error screen displayed on a Windows computer system after a fatal system error, also known as a system crash: when the operating system reaches a condition where it can no longer operate safely. == History == BSoDs have been present in Windows NT 3.1 (the first version of the Windows NT family, released in 1993) and all Windows operating systems released afterwards. (See History of Microsoft Windows.) BSoDs can be caused by poorly written device drivers or malfunctioning hardware, such as faulty memory, power supply issues,...

Destructible Watermelon

@WheatWizard how is moorhen esolang?

flawr

21:24

oh

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon Ah good I wanted to talk to you about that

I want to add an output, pop and no-op

Destructible Watermelon

couple things actually

Steven H.

Just change it to mod-10?

Destructible Watermelon

I just realised that any words with uppercase don't work

and that dict shadows a builtin

Wheat Wizard

Ok that should be fixed

What built in?

betseg

21:25

Did you know I had a kernel panic but no BSoDs?

Destructible Watermelon

@WheatWizard dict makes a dictionary

change it to word_dict or words or english_dict or english_words

Conor O'Brien

CMC: group array into runs of the same number. e.g. [1 1 1 2 3 4 4 4] => [[1 1 1] [2] [3] [4 4 4]]

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon Do you want to do this stuff for the PRs.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I think I made a language harder than brainf**k - brainfuck is to assembly as my lang is to machine code

Destructible Watermelon

@WheatWizard ?

Wheat Wizard

21:27

I thought you wanted to get the hacktoberfest thing

Destructible Watermelon

that seems a little bit cheaty though

Wheat Wizard

Ok I'll do it

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien will it be sorted?

Wheat Wizard

what do you think about more ops?

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat not necessarily

Destructible Watermelon

21:28

let me check that the new version of the interpreter works now

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

0010 ____ _____ - If the current address is equal to the address specified by the next eight bits, then move the execution pointer to the second 8 bit sequence

0001 - increment current address

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Random Quine quine (something related to languages?) You are to write N programs in N langauges (at least 2) that satify the following properties: For each program P, the program P must produce an output O that is equal to a random program Q that you wrote, including P. No two programs P and ...

Destructible Watermelon

@WheatWizard If you are changing your language, I'll just keep my fork how it is, to keep that answer valid maybe?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

0010 ____ - move memory pointer to address specified by next 8 bits

trichoplax

I'm thinking of switching from Windows to FreeBSoD

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

21:30

execution pointer moves in memory - it will interpret memory as instructions

Conor O'Brien

@trichoplax free blue screen of death?

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon If we do that we should make a version number perhaps 0.1

trichoplax

@ConorO'Brien Another bad pun

Destructible Watermelon

wouldn't it be more like 1, then the new version is 2?

Conor O'Brien

@trichoplax yeah ik XD

trichoplax

21:31

Oh oops...

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon Thats fine too

Destructible Watermelon

ok then!

let me edit my truth machine post

quartata

@trichoplax Arch > FreeBSD

Try NetBSD if you really want a BSD

trichoplax

All I really wanted was the bad pun...

hot -> hotter
cool -> cooler
free -> ____?

quartata

Oh.

What do you use then?

trichoplax

21:35

I really am thinking of switching from Windows though. I just haven't got as far as narrowing down what to switch to. BSD was purely for the pun.

Destructible Watermelon

@WheatWizard should uppercased words have the same effect as lowercased words?

trichoplax

I've very briefly used Rasbian, which seemed fine but then I didn't do anything complex with it

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon Hm... currently they don't

quartata

What's the most complicated piece of software you use regularly

Destructible Watermelon

well, we can just change the hash thing, and we can just change the x in dict to x.lower() in dict

Wheat Wizard

21:37

I think it is more dadaist if changing the case changes the operation

quartata

(basically just a strange way of me asking what you need)

trichoplax

@quartata Firefox

Destructible Watermelon

@WheatWizard cool, I'll change that one line of code then

trichoplax

Day to day I need very little

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon Already changed the x in dict

Destructible Watermelon

21:37

well, actually it should be x in word_dict, but yeah

cool

quartata

How about Xubuntu?

trichoplax

I'd like to be able to use python and gcc, but currently rarely do

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

AAAAAA

(from psy.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/saishin32e.html)

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill I remember hearing about Manchausen syndrome. It's interesting.

Dennis

Uh, that spelling hurts. :P

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Nathan Merrill

21:39

@El'endiaStarman yeah. I took a quick peek at the website that was doing all of the investigations, and unfortunately, it isn't that interesting

betseg

Night

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon 1.0 is up here

Destructible Watermelon

but that was going to be my fork pls?

Downgoat

@Dennis s/that //

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis You don't happen to be acquainted with dyadic ;:, do you?

Wheat Wizard

21:46

@DestructibleWatermelon Hmm.... I'm not really good at this github version stuff. You can maintain version 1.x if you want

El'endia Starman

@Dennis *Munchausen. :P

Dennis

Or Münchhausen.

@ConorO'Brien Neither monadic nor dyadic.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis alright, thanks anyway

Dennis

I basically created Jelly because I couldn't figure out J. :P

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trichoplax

@quartata Just had a read. Sounds interesting

Conor O'Brien

21:51

haha nice. I want to get around to learning Jelly, but I have a long list of other languages first :P

Qwerp-Derp

What about Munchausen numbers?

Dennis

@mınxomaτ A while ago? They're still trying. :P

mınxomaτ

I know. OVH reported it that the brute force traffic at their network edge was over 1 Tbps.

Dennis

It's way too slow to be effective though.

mınxomaτ

Well, they are not trying to break it. They look for trivial entry points.

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21:57

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ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

22:17

@DestructibleWatermelon Would you mind if I added some FEN positions to your chess solution to this challenge?

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis I was looking at some of the TIO js source, and you have the following function:

function encode(string) {
	return btoa(unescape(encodeURIComponent(string))).replace(/\+/g, "-").replace(/\//g, "_").replace(/=/g, "");
}

Isn't unescape(encodeURIComponent(...)) useless?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@DestructibleWatermelon Also, black or white to move?

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien No, that performs UTF-8 encoding.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@ConorO'Brien Oh well, I've changed that in my PR

Conor O'Brien

ah

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

22:20

But Dennis is holding off on it until TIO 2.0

Dennis

Not sure if hold off is correct (had to look it up). TIO v2 won't generate client-side permalinks (although it will still support the old ones), so there's no need to compress them.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Dennis Just curious, why not generate client permalinks?

Dennis

Because they don't have any advantages over server-side permalinks.

If they do and I've missed them, please tell me.

Destructible Watermelon

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ the output is the position the white king would move to, depending on what pieces are there. so white to move. And yes, you can add fen

@WheatWizard should we get Moorhen on to tryitonline?

Conor O'Brien

22:47

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Q: Why is a robot getting a badge that states it is not a robot?

With the first batch of people to receive the Not a Robot badge, I was surprised to see Community receiving one as well. Does this mean I will be able to meet the fabled Community in person?

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Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Took 17 hours, but it. Is. Done.

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A: Is this number a prime?

Brain-Flak, 112 108 bytes ({}[()]){((({})())<>){{}<>(({}<(({}[()])()<>)>)<>)<>{({}[()]<({}[()]<({}())>)>{(<()>)}{})}{}{}}}<>{{}}([]{}) Try it online! How it works Initially, the first stack will contain a positive integer n, the second stack will be empty. We start by decrementing n as foll...

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

10/10

DJMcMayhem

Very impressive

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@DestructibleWatermelon Black's or White's perspective?

DJMcMayhem

It's really cool to see brain-flak take off. I think the number of users who have written brain-flak before has doubled in the last couple days.

Dennis

22:59

From two to four? :P

Destructible Watermelon

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ ¯\_(ô-ô)_/¯ I don't even know what you mean

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@DestructibleWatermelon Do black pawns move up or down?

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis No, there was me, wheatwizard, 10000000000 (no idea how many 0's) and kenny. Now it's that plus you, martin, phi and sp30000 (and quartata i think?)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Dennis idk, I just have strong personal objections to having all the code/especially revisions placed in a locked nuclear bunker (from the user's perspective) where it cannot be touched until the end of time

Destructible Watermelon

23:04

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ in Xnor and Xor, the pawns attack towards the rooks. Other than that, I don't think it makes a difference

DJMcMayhem

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ I could understand that objection, but there are also numerous advantages too (shorter links, revisions, testcases)

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

thx

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Hm, some of those haven't answered yet, but I guess you know your user base better than I do. :P There's also a Riley.

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ I have no idea what you mean by nuclear bunker here.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Dennis As in the database or whatever containing the code/revisions

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis Woah, I never saw that. Awesome! And I just mean they had written something, not necessarily an answer

There's also another: MegaTom

in Brain-Flak, 2 hours ago, by MegaTom

I just golfed 2 bytes off the multiplication program (from the github wiki). dose this look valid? ({}<>)({<({}[()])><>({})<>}{}<><{}>)

Dennis

23:06

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Yeah, I got that. Why is it locked?

Why can't it be touched?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Dennis The code can't be deleted clientside

Dennis

Sure it can. If it's your code, you can delete it.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

So you'll be implementing user accounts?

Steven H.

Deep dream is... um... *interesting*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPaCWJL7XI

Dennis

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Or anonymous authentication tokens. Whichever you prefer.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

23:08

@Dennis That could work better

Just give the user a randomly-generated token per program

That can be used to revise/delete/etc. it

Dennis

One of the two reasons I want server-side permalinks is because they enable you to edit your code without updating the permalink, which is something I routinely forget or mess up.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

But yes, your solution would satisfy my internal objections

Dennis

\o/

Steven H.

What's the truthiness of multiple return values?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

what lang?

Steven H.

23:16

Let's go with two examples, Racket and Brainflak

(where Racket can, of course, be replaced with any LISP variant)

DJMcMayhem

I don't know about racket, but for brainflak a non-zero on the top of the stack is truthy.

So returning (1, 0) is technically truthy, but (0, 1) is not.

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon I want to wait a little bit on that. I am working on a proof of turing completeness (or the lack thereof).

Destructible Watermelon

ok. I might try that as well. You might have an issue without the nop, so definitely add that

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon I made a chatroom here so we can discuss Moorhen without clogging TNB

Steven H.

Being able to golf Dennis' code is an interesting feeling :P

I hate making grammatical mistakes and noticing it too late to edit,

Doorknob

23:53

@StevenH. What grammatical mistake? :P

Steven H.

> noticing it too late to edit,

> ,

That grammatical mistake

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