Game Development

“The problem with people like this is that they are so stupid,” explains Monty Python’s John Cleese in the clip above, “they have no idea how stupid they are.” “In order to know how good you are at something requires exactly the same skills as it does to be good at that thing in the first place,” Cleese elaborates, “which means — and this is terribly funny — that if you are absolutely no good at something at all, then you lack exactly the skills you need to know that you are absolutely no good at it.”

Uri Popov

Do I have to be nice?
Yes. We expect community members to treat each other with respect … even when they don't deserve it. So @Jon pretty much cant bash on anyone

Kevin van der Velden

2:29 PM

There's plenty of people not in the community

ArtOfCode

@KitZ.Fox Ah. I'm guessing this isn't one then.

Paulo Cereda

See ya!

Jon

What if me showing them how stupid they are actually helps them become better?

Kit Z. Fox

You're not teaching them a lesson by being a douche. You're just showing your ass.

ArtOfCode

@Jon if you can do it (relatively) nicely, it's cool

Jon

2:30 PM

Who says I'm a douche

ArtOfCode

saying "you're an idiot" is not okay; saying "this is a terrible idea because X, Y and Z" is fine

Kit Z. Fox

@ArtOfCode Not, but about the right color.

Jon

Yeah I'd point out why not blatantly call someone stupid

Kit Z. Fox

@Jon Does it help you when someone says that you are stupid?

Kevin van der Velden

More mods appear! o/

user92578

2:34 PM

Yeah what is going on? Didn't the trouble maker already get suspended?

Pip

lurking

Kit Z. Fox

What? Mods can't hang out in here? Aren't you the most interesting chat room on the stack?

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Pip

Yeah we are

10/10

Kevin van der Velden

@KitZ.Fox No that's the Bridge clearly

Pip

We are far superior to the Bridge

Kevin van der Velden

2:35 PM

Nope

Bridge best bridge

Kit Z. Fox

@KevinvanderVelden Can't have Arqade without gamedev.

Pip

true true

Kevin van der Velden

@KitZ.Fox Curse you and your logic!

Kit Z. Fox

I think @Quill was just helping me find this Wartortle though.

Kevin van der Velden

Bridge is cool because when you ask for how to be more productive with eclipse you get 3 people saying "Use something else"

Kit Z. Fox

2:37 PM

hahaha

Pimgd

What should I use instead of eclipse then

Pip

IntelliJ

or nothing since Java sucks

Kevin van der Velden

Vim is my choice

ArtOfCode

@Pimgd a good IDE

Kit Z. Fox

Eclipse is that bad? I haven't used it in ten years or so.

Quill

2:38 PM

@KitZ.Fox darn, always late to the party

Pip

Eclipse is pretty lacking in a lot of ways

Kevin van der Velden

Sublime text is supposedly good but haven't tried it

Kit Z. Fox

It's not just for Java though, is it?

ArtOfCode

@KitZ.Fox fairly terrible when I was using it last year

Pip

Especially the autocomplete

Sublime is pretty decent

Kevin van der Velden

2:38 PM

@KitZ.Fox indeed

user92578

@Pip this

NaCl

vim for Java? wow

Kevin van der Velden

Sure why not, it's a good text editor

And java's propensity for masses of braces makes navigating with vim a useful thing

Garan

Good morning!

Kevin van der Velden

o/

Sie

2:43 PM

@ArtOfCode What did he do?

I was asleep. Damn it.

ArtOfCode

@Sie things he shouldn't have done

user92578

@Garan Hi there!

Kevin van der Velden

@ArtOfCode I was just gonna quote my "Can we not" from a bit ago, that one's better

Garan

What are you all up to?

Kevin van der Velden

Waiting for a new gamedev topic to talk about :D

ArtOfCode

2:44 PM

@KevinvanderVelden yeah, that works too :)

Sie

I can just ask him over on discord lol.

Kit Z. Fox

I thought we were talking about IDEs.

Kevin van der Velden

Naah, we all pointed out that eclipse was terrible and were done

Sie

VS is the best. That is all you need to know.

user92578

Man I'd really like to start working on achievements

Kit Z. Fox

2:45 PM

I do like VS, but then I use Microsoft tools, so.

Kevin van der Velden

@Sie vs is a good debugger, it's a... usable text editor

Sie

I have to go see what small fortune this quarters books are going to cost me.

Kevin van der Velden

Then you'll have to go see how much it'll cost to drink away that knowledge :(

Pimgd

plus taxes...

Sie

Kevin van der Velden

2:50 PM

Studying law? :o

Will you be the second @VideoGameAttorney?

Sie

Ya Paralegal for now. I want to become a lawyer one day.

Not quite sure what I want to specialize in though but there is time for that.

Kevin van der Velden

Cool

PearsonArtPhoto

@KitZ.Fox Nobody told me that...

Sie

I guess we're now being permanently baby sat by two or more mods at all times lol.

Pimgd

This is not a coup. It just looks like one. /s

No, too soon?

=/

DH.

3:01 PM

Ah well, someone is acting funny flagging everything we say

Without context what we say here is a lot of bs

user92578

Some people also say jerk things in-context.

Quill

well if they're serious about getting stuffed cleaned up, they can always use a mod flag :)

@Pimgd noted.

Kevin van der Velden

There's a few things I wouldn't mind seeing dissapear from the star list

Sie

I get that this place is an extension of the main site and you want us to keep it relatively professional but it has gotten so bad that we can't even have some water machine banter without worrying about bans.

DH.

You do know that mods can read deleted messages right?

PearsonArtPhoto

3:03 PM

If I see a deleted message, I'll almost always read it.

Pimgd

@DH. even so I dunno about some jokes, I'm used to a star happy room so if I say things that are on the edge and it doesn't get starred or a positive response I'll self-censor

Sie

@PearsonArtPhoto I figured there were visible to you by default but just greyed out.

Kit Z. Fox

Oooh, what's that say? reads deleted message

user92578

@Sie Atleast I don't find the situation as such

Quill

it's like handing someone a letter stamped "OFFICIAL PARTY BUSINESS ONLY" and then not letting them read it

PearsonArtPhoto

3:04 PM

What a mod sees is "removed", I think like anyone, but it attracts attention.

There is a way to read the deleted messages, which I've done on a few occasions.

Pimgd

(removed)

Kit Z. Fox

Well, there is also that script that lets you read it greyed out without having to click the buttons.

PearsonArtPhoto

It shows up grey though;-)

Pimgd

hmm still gotta work on getting text coloring in chat somehow

PearsonArtPhoto

I might have to look in to that sometime.

Kevin van der Velden

3:05 PM

@Pimgd Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Kit Z. Fox

Except I can't install it on my work computer.

Sie

Sometimes mods move messages to a trash can and you can see them there. One time I started a home in one and then got kicked out.

Pimgd

@KevinvanderVelden sorry, brain was turned off for a sec

Sie

Trashy the trash can

A REALLY awesome trash room!

Pimgd

text coloring in chat is a horrible idea

Kevin van der Velden

3:06 PM

@Sie It's unsanitary to live in a waste disposal site

DH.

The main problem is that we became too personal while saying our stuff here, while mods want this to be professional, so without Josh to protect us the bans are real

Quill

@Sie some users set up home in Sandbox once

Kevin van der Velden

What whyyyy

Sie

@KevinvanderVelden To live. However to visit it is sometimes fun. I mean apparently there is some guy who is "hacking" in there?

Kevin van der Velden

I mean, at least it's not a "This room get's the spam" case but just a "Anyone is free to test anything but flags in ehre"

Quill

3:07 PM

because sandbox doesn't have site mods that care about the noise, I guess

Kevin van der Velden

@Quill that makes sense

Well if you work under the assumption that the be nice policy is arduous

Arduous is a nice word, it has sufficient u's in it

Kit Z. Fox

I like that word. One of my favorites.

Sie

@Quill Wow you weren't kidding.

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...

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Kevin van der Velden

@Sie noise is the point of a sandbox for testing chat. There's no signal so going there to actually talk is frowned upon

Pimgd

@KevinvanderVelden how to talk without making noise?

Sie

3:12 PM

It's a shame we don't have a bot in here. Like Games has Lazers and a few others have some variants of that.

Kevin van der Velden

RIP @Lazers, there's now Lazers 2.0

Quill

Lazers is a feed

Kevin van der Velden

(Something bugged)

user92578

We have Free Internet Points

Pimgd

FIP

Kevin van der Velden

3:13 PM

We also have Gaming Topics From Outside for questions tagged gaming on other sides

Sie

@Quill I thought he had some other features. Like looking up Wikipedia articles, Googling stuff and a few other things.

Kevin van der Velden

and Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment for area 51

@Sie nope, just purely feed

(Also read the capitals in the names for the bots I mentioned)

Sie

I know there is a bot like that. I must be confusing Laserz for another.

Kevin van der Velden

As a long term Bridge person I can confirm that lazers is just a dumb feedbot

Sie

He/she/it has feelings too.

Kevin van der Velden

3:16 PM

One, the need to LAZER all the things

Kit Z. Fox

@ArtOfCode Are bots gendered?

Sie

I mean GLaDOS was. Sure technically she was a robot but she acted feminine.

Pimgd

@KitZ.Fox Duga is a female bot for Code Review

Quill

@Sie she was AI though, that's different than a bot, I guess

Kevin van der Velden

A robot without an AI is just a corpse

An AI can certainly have a gender, GLaDOS has the "advantage" of being an upload rather than a pure AI so of course she has a gender

Sie

3:20 PM

SPOILERS (PORTAL 2): Well at the end of Portal 2 it was revealed that Caroline (the upload) was "sharing" with GLaDOS before GLaDOS deleted her. So GLaDOS was her own thing with bits of Caroline mixed in.

So if you want to get really technical GLaDOS was kind of a cyborg.

Kit Z. Fox

Dude!

Spoilers. Damn it.

@KevinvanderVelden That's an interesting thought.

Sie

It was released in 2009.

Kit Z. Fox

@Sie I haven't finished it yet!

Sie

Plus we don't have spoiler tags in here lol.

Kevin van der Velden

@Sie though this is portal 2

Sie

3:21 PM

@KitZ.Fox My bad. I just ruined one of the best puzzle games that was ever created.

Kevin van der Velden

So it's 5 years old

@Sie nope, a cyborg has fleshy bits

Kit Z. Fox

@Sie Yes, because that was the real crux of the whole thing. Now that I know that, there's no point in playing it anymore. </joking>

Kevin van der Velden

Also I can't edit it to add a spoiler warning so could you @KitZ.Fox?

Sie

@KitZ.Fox It's the journey not the destination.

Kevin van der Velden

@KitZ.Fox can't tell if sarcastic

Kit Z. Fox

3:22 PM

I know. I'm just goofing.

Kevin van der Velden

But basically the difference between a cyborg and an uploaded AI is that a cyborg still has a (partially) human brain, while an upload is running on computer hardware of some description

Sie

It's a good thing Valve removed this voice line...

Carolines protests to being turned into GlaDos

►

Kevin van der Velden

(Though I don't know if it'd still be a cyborg with a full computer brain but other fleshy bits)

It's a lot easier to just take an existing digestive tract and use that to get power from food

user92578

The proudest moments in gamedev are when your enemies kill you

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Kit Z. Fox

OK, how did we get here and how do we back up to the fun stuff?

Pimgd

3:26 PM

@Tyyppi_77 with or without bugs?

user92578

without

user92578

winter forest island is in place:

user92578

Kevin van der Velden

Curse you @Tyyppi_77

I was about to answer that =[

user92578

:P

ArtOfCode

3:38 PM

@KitZ.Fox yep, definitely

user4704

4:18 PM

I see that we've been busy. :|

Sie

Josh: wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/56/…

user4704

I don't have headphones so I'm not going to click on that.

Sie

It's a jeer line from TF2, it says "Tell me, where did we go so wrong?".

user4704

Ah.

Sie

I love how the characters have so many different contextual lines.

wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Heavy_responses

Bálint

4:26 PM

I need opinions

I'M working on an isometric RPG with base-building

How should the base building be done, on the actual map like a castle, or underground

Noctrine

Space!

Bálint

@Noctrine ?

Noctrine

@Bálint What do you mean? Like should the game be about underground bases or above ground bases?

Bálint

@Noctrine Yeah

Noctrine

Yeah, that's why I said space. Space bases! - My point being that seems like a pretty core design consideration. Do you just want to know what people think is most interesting?

Bálint

4:31 PM

@Noctrine Yeah

Both way would allow you to make multiple levels

The underground one would work like dungeon keeper

The above ground one would work like a tower building RPG

Noctrine

Underground I guess?

DH.

@Bálint It depends... undergrounds feels like a dungeon keeper, or Impire for an example

While on surface is more Age of Empires

Bálint

It wouldn't be dungeon keepers nor age of empires, you would be able to have more levels

Pip

uuuugh

I ordered a bunch of nuts and bolts and stuff from Fastenal a while back

Checked through the serial numbers of the stuff I ordered to make sure it was correct

Didn't check in the bags

So now I have seven M4 size wood screws instead of the M4 nuts that I needed

Bálint

4:46 PM

@Pip Have you tried ducktape?

Pip

not gonna work

building a 3D printer

Bálint

@Pip Cool

Then build it and use it to print the nuts, problem solved

Pip

lol

DH.

@Bálint By levels you mean, building it higher or deeper?

Bálint

@DH. In the case of underground base it's deeper, otherwise its higher

DH.

4:57 PM

Hum, then it makes more sense

At first I had the idea of something modular in my mind

Bálint

@DH. It would be extendable

So, you can mine/build rooms

DH.

Being able to expand vertically and horizontally seems a bit hard

I mean, it's nothing impossible, but, a lot of work

NaCl

5:13 PM

^

Jon

6:07 PM

so apparently there are air pockets forming over canada

trapping air

parts of canada are heating up cuz of this

we are breathing in the same air for 3 days suffocating

ctvnews.ca/canada/…

TheMuffinCoder

I'm melting rn too ; ~ ;

I would go to the library (free AC) but I want to work on something in blender :(

Pip

why don't you have ac muffster?

TheMuffinCoder

lol I do but I want to save energy

I feel bad that I hog enough power with my workstation :P

Garan

OK, this seems to be much harder than it actually is.
Anyone know how, in Unity, to get the angle from one Vector2 to another Vector2 as an angle between -180 and 180?

user4704

6:23 PM

dot product, acos, scale?

TheMuffinCoder

Psst guys I got a social media question

What do people use to display art/sketchs/stuff?

Tumblr? DeviantArt? Some other stuff I never heard of?

Garan

Nevermind, finally found it.

Now to figure out why the framerate tanks whenever I fire the missile.

Well, I found the reason for that, too. Debug.Log is VERY expensive in terms of processing time.

user4704