Game Development - 2016-07-25 (page 1 of 3)

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12:55 AM

o/

PearsonArtPhoto

Now, to build unit tests for the stuff I've been working on all week. I'm sure it'll work the first time, right?

definitely

@Pip \o

PearsonArtPhoto

Of course, I have to add some code to allow the tests to run, but that's a minor detail, right?

who needs code

PearsonArtPhoto

1:09 AM

LOL, even just writing the unit tests I'm finding bugs.

William Mariager

1:22 AM

@PearsonArtPhoto Consider TDD :P

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, I know I should do that...

greetings

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm at least half-way there...

William Mariager

runs in terror

@PearsonArtPhoto TDD is really great if you can get into it.

Not sure how well it works for gamedev though.

PearsonArtPhoto

For some things it does.

What I'm doing now it'd probably work pretty well.

It works well for rule sets and stuff like that.

1:27 AM

I think Jon is dead @Mick.

response wasn't PC enough, check discord lol

1:48 AM

Dammit

Hmm, if you say so. SQUIDID is soon on greenlight. https://t.co/h3adnVTzCL

Tweeted by ardaozkal on July 25, 2016 at 1:47 AM

I used to have goodbad ideas now I have badbad ideas.

That thing does have some better ideas though

@arda

gtf ih

Does anyone have strong feelings on how to best build an SNES Final Fantasy clone for development/learning purposes? Specifically in terms of build engines/languages and tools?

PearsonArtPhoto

2:04 AM

Yuck...

Why SNES?

Finally have progressed far enough with Supply/ Demand that I have a checklist, which should make things move much faster:-)

The check list is 14 items long...

And that doesn't even consider the 10 related items on a separate list. Still, listing it out helps!

@PearsonArtPh

Ack, @PearsonArtPhoto, what are you talking about with checklists etc? Why SNES, because nostalgia I guess. Also, hopefully lower tech means lower learning curve.

PearsonArtPhoto

trello.com

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That's a part of my checklists, about half of them.

okay, a low res *.png isn't very helpful. But thanks though.

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL. I don't know why I bother with such measures, as I pretty much post in my weekly blog entries a lot of what's in there, but... Habit.

The list is really only for myself, so it only probably makes sense to me, but...

2:40 AM

Organizing was supposed to be my task for today, and then a wild 1080 appeared.

2:54 AM

@Sie censored.

3:29 AM

@Mick WAKE ME UP INSIDE.

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3:47 AM

RIP @IcyDefiance

4:05 AM

@Mick Going to catch some z's.

4 hours later…

Chris McFarland

7:37 AM

@Ali.S Yep

also, how is this not a dating site?

GDSE is the epitome of a dating site - there's nothing but love to go around

7:58 AM

@ChrisMcFarland this is wisdom

guys quick Unity question

it seems SetActiveRecursevly is depricated

any other quick way of disabling a gameobject and all of its children ?

if you disable a gameObject

all its children are disabled

nope cause some code on a child keeps trying to get its animator and trows warning about animator not being initialized.

that is REALLY strange, uri

I use this stuff of disabling a lot and I'm pretty sure the children get disabled

are you surethe error is thrown by that gameobject?

ah

I was using activeSelf to do a check

not activeInHierarchy

turns out activeSelf returns true even if the parent is disabled. That makes sense.

8:10 AM

I would have suggested you as next check. Fine, now it works fine?

yep

just got back from my vacation and got a 4 page doc of changes and fixes that need to be made till the end of the week before release. I'm a bit overwhelmed :D

Chris McFarland

9:00 AM

you can loop through a transform's children with like, foreach (Transform t in someTransform)

and do that recursively

well yes I know that but why waste the cpu time. I dont even need that. A simple if is enough

Kevin van der Velden

Someone has to check it recursively. Just because it looks like a single if somewhere else doesn't mean it's cheap to calculate

Also that's what activeInHierarchy is for

user92578

9:30 AM

morning

morning. how goes the greenlight ?

user92578

slow

10:01 AM

but in a positive direction at least right ?

user92578

well not really, I drop in percentages because I hardly get any traffic

10:13 AM

You have a steam greenlight project?

user92578

Yeah

user92578

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=712514567

It looks good from the video.

How many more votes do you need?

user92578

Steam doesn't tell you, it's a really obscure process

user92578

And thanks!

user92578

10:22 AM

Last week's wrap-up: gunherogame.com/#WeeklyUpdate20

10:56 AM

@gecko It's not a "get X votes and you're greenlit" process, getting more votes just means you're on top and you're more likely to get greenlit by the community managers

I got greenlit with no votes

user92578

^

They saw it was the jgallant and cleared me

user92578

lol

Chris McFarland

11:13 AM

ez

you should become a publisher, jon

I got that Unity tshirt btw

even had a Unity employee buy my game on his phone haha

PearsonArtPhoto

Nice!

How'd you score the shirt?

Chris McFarland

Everyone that attended got one for free

there were only maybe < 30 ppl

I must be missing something, attended where?

Chris McFarland

ah, was a Unity Roadshow event in my city unity3d.com/events/roadshow

user92578

damn you Chris, livin' the dream, getting free tshirts

Chris McFarland

11:24 AM

lol
even got some stickers

user92578

AND STICKERS

My life feels incomplete without free shirts and stickers

Chris McFarland

merch is life

user92578

I gotta finish this game so that I can move on to fetching free tshirts and stickers

Kevin van der Velden

I got a free t-shirt from the JS16k compo thing

user92578

11:26 AM

except that there probably isn't a SDL Roadshow

Kevin van der Velden

13k*

Chris McFarland

:D

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm there's another one this year I might join it again if the theme is fun

And if I can fit gta.io in it CC @MickLH

And... I wanna say @Jon?

It was my idea

Friggen Chris, pimpin with the unity shirt

No wonder there's no Unity roadshow on Brazil lol

11:32 AM

or Bulgaria. I didn't know what to expect tbh

Well, the problem is that Brazil is a big country, geographically speaking, and we aren't much famous of good game productions

KSP ?

It does have a brazilian in the team, but it's not made here :P

oh.. I watched that one lecture from Unite and it was the brazilian guy so I thought it was made in Brazil

The only good game I can recall that is brazilian is Dungeonland

PearsonArtPhoto

11:43 AM

KSP is made in Mexico.

I did place a space game made in Brazil once, a MMO I think...

Oh there was Taikodom, but that game died

Not that Dungeonland is actually alive, but well, at least if was globally published :P

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, that one.

I think...

When I played it, the English version still had quite a few dialogs not translated...

I really should go to one of the Unity events here. They have them on a semi-regular basis, but it's in downtown DC, which is a pain to get to...

The game became had a snowball effect because they wanted more stuff and it became unstable to maintain, so they simply stopped developing it

PearsonArtPhoto

It's challenging to have a game remain in scope...

One thing that helps me quite a bit is my day job is a Systems Engineer. A Systems Engineer is responsible for looking at the big picture of a project, and figuring out what is in scope and what isn't, and keeping it that way.

I remember the advice of an old Chief Engineer of mine, which was there comes a point in a project where you need to "Shoot the Engineer", meaning to stop taking updates, just fix the minimum of what needs to be fixed and get it out the door.

ok ok ripping my previous pinch zoom code and putting in the new project does not work. Thanks Obama.

@PearsonArtPhoto the other people at the studio want new features 1 week before the release schedule

PearsonArtPhoto

11:49 AM

LOL.

shoot me now

PearsonArtPhoto

One week before release, in my opinion, the only thing that should be done is things absolutely critical to the project.

And that really means critical bug fixes.

Or re-labeling stuff, stuff like that.

yeah I know. I will explain it in the next few days. Ease them in. Also add 1 or 2 new things so everyone is happy

PearsonArtPhoto

In this day and age, however, one can always send out a patch with new features.

exactly

11:52 AM

Adding stuff with one week of release is knowing that you'll break everything else

2

I just spent 10 mins to figure out my orthoZoomSpeed was 0

X_X

why does it take me the longest time to fix the simplest problems

Because we often don't think in the obvious

That's why the "talk to a rubber duck" is so efficient :P

thats exactly how I realized that the zoom speed was 0

:D

PearsonArtPhoto

I spent about 2 hours debugging code and found out that the source was I copied the code to reset everything in to two blocks that were further down the line. Remove the wrongly copied initialization, and everything worked fine.

o/

12:08 PM

Hey Pip

Sup dude

PearsonArtPhoto

Dev Blog- Sea Trading Game. Supply starting, path forward identified, and I start setting some goals. kd7uiy.com/2016/07/sea-trading-game-modeling-supply-and_25.html

clicks

That's some big plans you have there

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, I hope it all comes together...

The thing I'm worried about is the balancing aspect.

I've had this in mind for about 2 months, but this is the first I'm speaking publicly of it, because I didn't think that I could do it until now.

12:24 PM

worst thing right now is we have to redesign the UI .. again.. cause it failed usability testing.... again.

PearsonArtPhoto

Now, I just have to name my game...

And how they test usability?

since the game is targeted towards kids we just put it in the hands of a bunch of kids and see how they handle it.

its just the part where player stats are displayed not the whole UI

I'm kinda sad that my cool dynamic world space UI idea did not fly.

user92578

12:49 PM

user image

user92578

Just gotta implement a key combination listener now

@Tyyppi_77 ahahah They owned you?

user92578

Naw I'm putting this in as an easter egg

user92578

Josh suggested it a while ago

splendid

user92578

1:19 PM

Aight, enter the konami code using your keyboard in the main menu and the logo changes

user92578

This is how you spend your development time wisely

here you're gonna need some of these

EXCISION & DATSIK - 8 Bit Superhero [OFFICIAL]

@Tyyppi_77 ↑↑ ↓↓ ← → ← → B A enter or what do you use for start ?

user92578

↑↑ ↓↓ ← → ← → B A

user92578

That's what Wikipedia told me the code is

1:27 PM

Im 90% you had to press start on the old NES controller after that

user92578

Okay, you don't need to do that in GunHero then

you could press select too

user92578

I could add controller support if I wanted

user92578

1:41 PM

god damnit rendering artifacts

user92578

probably some floating point stuff going on somewhere

user92578

OH

user92578

floor(-78.1) = -79

damn it's so cringe how several people have tried to tell you that over the years but at least you finally got it lol

user92578

Aight now that's fixed (for now)

user92578

1:50 PM

m_RendererDestinationRectangle->X = (float)(int)(destX * localRenderScale.X);

@Tyyppi_77 Well, obviously. floor(...) and ceil(...) have a clear meaning. It's round(...) you have to watch out for.

user92578

Yeah, this is definitely something that I overlooked, the behaviour of course makes sense

In this case, it's all functions that you didn't read the manual about that you have to watch out for

user92578

This rendering code is so old, I guess younger Tyyppi hasn't thought about rendering stuff starting at negative coordinates

lol no, you did, remember?

you just were really confident that you were right despite people saying otherwise

Kevin van der Velden

1:58 PM

@MickLH, you're being a jerk again

for being honest about the thing that is most beneficial to his productivity?

Cell phone provider will continue to charge you for a subsidized phone after contract period has ended. Not surprised but fucken pissed off.

@KevinvanderVelden I could say you are for bringing out the personal attacks, but I'm not that low

Charging me 25$ more a month than actual cost for no reason.

Gonna file a complaint with the BBB

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon Bed, Breakfast and Brunch?

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