The Whiteboard - 2016-06-03

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12:10 AM

@svidgen Grr. This is not what that close reason is for! (And people wonder why this site has a nasty reputation for hostility. Some people seem to just spend all day looking for some excuse to close things, trying to reshape this site into something it was never meant to be.) — Mason Wheeler 3 hours ago

@MasonWheeler: Ahem. If this site has a reputation, it's for not having an identity. We're trying to change that. Stack Exchange has never been "anything goes"; it's always been about getting good answers to focused questions, something that forums are terrible at. — Robert Harvey 7 mins ago

2 hours later…

1:43 AM

Mono 4 on Rpi3 ftw :)

I can now run AspNet Core on my pi!

(making everyone in the hackspace cringe because they all still have this irrational hatred for c# and mono/.net)

why don't you just put it in the garbage if you're going to abuse it like that?!

I've heard that one before. try again.

I'm working on hackspace infrastructure software. Everyone seems to want to contribute, which is nice... But nobody's contributions go beyond "Make it fast", "Make it nice", "Make it shoot lasers while playing MP3s on an old spectrum".

Ideas are nice, but if you're not going to lift a finger and do any work implementing them then I'm going to write c# in linux :)

5 hours later…

6:16 AM

Such is a good lesson in life

also tells us why self-proclaimed "ideas person" people are useless

@RobertHarvey Sorry for being ignorant, but did you even read my question properly ?

I am not having trouble with converting a nested object into a flat one... see the fiddles that's already happening

My issue is totally different, I just can't believe how people close questions that they don't even understand properly....

2 hours later…

8:17 AM

ugh, why were there upvotes on programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/320169/…

8:31 AM

if anyone has spare delete votes, programmers.stackexchange.com/… would be an excellent target

8:43 AM

all my delete votes are in another castle, I'm afraid.

8:57 AM

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Q: Combating the Einstellung Effect

The Einstellung Effect refers to "a person's predisposition to solve a given problem in a specific manner even though there are "better" or more appropriate methods of solving the problem." As a programmer with a decent amount of experience, how can one combat this tendency to always approach p...

I love it when my native language pops up where I don't expect it.

7 hours later…

3:50 PM

This question might be more suited for Programmers Stack Exchange — das-g 36 secs ago

4:16 PM

What the hell is happening here?

4

Q: How assembler coverts to machine code 1 and 0

I know that assembler is the one which converts to machine code. So here in 8085 instruction set LDA has opcode "3A". My question is how assembler convert mnemonics to opcode and finally to machine code. How LdA mnemonic is converted to 3A hex code

I voted to close this question as Too Broad. While I admire your desire to learn, you're doing it in the hardest possible way: by asking a series of questions directed at random people on the Internet. The easier and faster way to learn what you want to learn is to pick up a good book, take a class or watch a video, and then write some code. — Robert Harvey 3 mins ago

a lot of people with a very, very loose definition of "helping" compared to our definition

@Mathematics How is that original post not an exact solution to the problem you're having?

@Ixrec Now it really is Too Broad (see his edit)

4:44 PM

@Keen Nice to see that people appreciate my creativity with the Comments of Interest :)

5:32 PM

Whiteboard! How I have missed ye.

I had a ton of carbs last night, and I feel hung over. I made some Jambalaya to eat at my desk, but I put my Tabasco in the wrong mug. Now I have some spicy tea.

5:50 PM

My spicy tea is not undrinkable. In fact I have nearly quaffed the entire thing.

6:23 PM

@MasonWheeler: I didn't downvote the question, and a score of 3 is hardly "burying the question." Learning styles has nothing to do with it; he can choose whatever medium he wants for extended learning, so long as it's not a Q&A site. Q&A sites were not designed for this sort of thing. Look at his second question: it essentially amounts to "how do I write an assembler and design an instruction set for some architecture that hasn't been created yet?" Do you honestly think that has any chance of succeeding here? — Robert Harvey 6 mins ago

I don't think prolonging the comment debate there is productive

I'm not sure there is any productive thing we can do about Mason having such a huge misunderstanding of what StackExchange and Programmers.SE in particular is all about, but it certainly isn't that

6:43 PM

@Ixrec I tried moving it to chat, and got an error.

rofl

Not the first time either. Unfortunately it's hard to reproduce, so it's probably never been reported.

I'm starting to think michael was completely right when he claimed the core problem of Programmers.SE has nothing to do with defining our site scope, and everything to do with users who want us to be NPR versus users who want this to be a high quality Q&A site; those two camps seem to be equally entrenched and equally successful at frustrating and driving away users of the other camp

Mason has an axe to grind. He's not entirely in the "best programmer cartoon" camp, but he's right; there have been a number of failed experiments like "Too Localized," and he uses that as evidence for his deep distrust in anything that could be called "scope."

He hasn't been engaged in any of the sites deeply enough to understand the real problems that the sites have with abuses.

Everyone who's actively used this site for more than a few weeks has an axe to grind. There's just too much conflict over what is and isn't acceptable, even though officially (and in practice on every other non-massive SE site) these are all solved problems.

7:04 PM

Mason is an interesting fellow. He's a bit of a renegade; he develops software in Delphi, a Pascal environment, is apparently very good at it, and regularly skewers other people's sacred cows. In that respect, he's not all that different from me.

I used to write programs in Turbo Pascal, Delphi's predecessor. It was an amazing compiler; it could compile a program in 10 seconds on a 286 that Apple Pascal took 10 minutes to compile on an Apple II. The guy who wrote that compiler (Anders Heljsberg) went on to become a Technical Fellow at Microsoft and chief architect of the C# language.

7:22 PM

Why did MichaelT quit?

no official public statement was ever given but the standard assumption is that his final act on SE was this comment:

I agree, but am more concerned that no one prompted the asker for the information needed to make the question better (either for our site or for migration somewhere else).

It is key to lead by example. programmers.stackexchange.com/q/312743 programmers.stackexchange.com/q/312761 programmers.stackexchange.com/q/312721 . I'm tired and done. Its someone else's turn now. Go through the recently closed list, check to see where there is confusion and better guidance for users. Thats what the 10k mod tools are for. — user40980 Mar 14 at 23:39

Was he a SO employee?

No.

Did he feel like expectations on him were too great to keep his account while taking a break?

I honestly think he was just done. Relinquishing your accounts is one way of making sure you're not tempted to engage again.

7:31 PM

agreed

I have a very open-ended expectation for my involvement on these sites as I think there's strong synergies with my accounts here and my future goals.

...are you practicing buzzword-speak for a job interview?

I have an MBA and a BS in Real Estate Finance and Political Science.

I have a pony.

cmorse.org/missiongen

lucky

7:33 PM

I can't even tell if you're kidding

Our responsibility is to continue to globally productize unique intellectual capital to allow us to endeavor to enthusiastically administrate e-markets materials.

yeah, Robert, are you kidding?

Does it look like I'm serious?

you just know someone is going to flag that

Who would?

7:35 PM

Well, that was quick.

Wow, before I could invalidate it

in Mos Eisley, 1 min ago, by Himarm

i think the unicorn peeing rainbows may be offensive

That was funny. I'm a mod, so I could see all six flags pile up before the picture went poof.

First time I ever got flagged in a chat room. And I've used some pretty strong language a few times.

Anyways, "synergy" is a real thing. Say you have someone who achieves the rank of "ninja." And someone else earns the title, "unicorn." They aren't paid nearly as well as someone who has gotten both "ninja" and "unicorn".

Meanwhile they're posting Adam Sandler videos of "I wipe my own ass" in Mos Eisley.

7:41 PM

I never suggested the individual words are meaningless. I suggested the statement as a whole was devoid of meaning.

@AaronHall Ninjacorn.

Ok, let's parse the following for meaning:

10 mins ago, by Aaron Hall

I have a very open-ended expectation for my involvement on these sites as I think there's strong synergies with my accounts here and my future goals.

Translation:

I'm going be here a long time.

That's not what that says.

I'm going to put effort into my activity here.

Because my goals are to rise to the top of my field.

[sigh]

7:44 PM

And a strong ranking on these sites is a signal that I belong at the top of my field.

If I had a dollar...

That and a quarter would buy you a coke down the hall.

Exactly.

here a coke is £1.50 =(

See, synergy.

7:45 PM

or are you talking about those short aluminum cans rather than the tall plastic bottles?

I hate to burst your bubble, but these sites aren't in alignment with anything except their own self-interests.

I don't think it's necessarily the case with money.SE, academia.SE, or workplace.SE.

Building a repository of useful information for the ages. It's a nice idea. In theory.

And I helped. :)

note that without knowing what Aaron's "future goals" are, it's impossible to have an opinion on the accuracy of that buzzword sentence

7:52 PM

My most firm statement of a future goal (horizon > 1 year) is to be qualified to run technology at a hedge fund.

What is it about Adam Sandler that he has a career anyway? I've never understood the attraction.

the chatrooms are merging...

He makes me laugh.

Because dopey? I don't get it.

I can't honestly remember ever seeing a Sandler movie, so no opinion there

7:53 PM

You haven't missed much.

Remember the whole Sony email leak? One of the things talked about a lot in the press was how many internal emails there were to the effect of "Why do we keep giving this guy new movies to make?"

lol

Were the movies all flops?

I guess when you have a budget and you need to have so many movies in the pipeline, hiring a former SNL guy with a decent track record isn't a career limiting move.

Why don't I remember a "Hotel Transylvania"? boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/…

I remember seeing ads for it, neer saw it and didn't realize Sandler was one of the VAs

He was in coneheads?

Anyways, can we talk about synergy and bursting my bubble some more?

no

8:02 PM

We have a quant finance, economics, statistics, etc... I want to build rep on all these sites.

Have at it.

programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/320235/… needs some POB votes

POB?

flagged it as off topic, if that's what you mean.

close enough

The biggest career synergy that occurred to me in my childhood was seeing people who got famous and then wrote books.

Then I noticed that there were people with certain amount of credibility who wrote books that served to increase their credibility, and notoriety too.

8:11 PM

And then there was Oprah.

Oprah's an interesting case. She negotiated ownership of her talk show, then started her own network and magazine, though I don't know if they are successful too.

Probably are though, as popular as she is, I consulted on a new magazine, it's pricey to get going, but it scales apparently.

1 hour later…

9:14 PM

Questions asking for assistance in writing or debugging existing code are off-topic on Programmers. These questions can be asked on Stack Overflow if they include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. See How To Create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable Example. — Aaron Hall 27 secs ago

Questions asking us to find or recommend tools, libraries, programming languages, resources (including books, blogs, tutorials, and examples), or projects to undertake are off-topic on Programmers as they attract opinionated answers that won't have lasting value to others. — Aaron Hall 5 mins ago

I didn't put the part about the whiteboard there - guy only has 1 rep anyways.

Yeah, the "official" explanation.

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