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12:36 AM
@touhami thanks for the update on your answer
@touhami but when I do as instructed, Texmaker just stays in "process started"
@touhami after leaving it for a long time, it's still the same, so I'm not too sure what to do
@touhami in the end I'm forced to end it in taskmanager
 
1:09 AM
Is @JosephWright around? I need to figure out why siunix is giving mL as ml
Oh frack. \litre gives little l and liter gives large L
 
1:22 AM
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Q: Swap the meaning of \litre and \liter (or make litre = liter)

CanageekIn Canada the spelling litre is standard, though both liter and litre are common and accepted. However, the unit is always written US style, mL. It turns out that in siunitx \litre and \liter are not synonyms. \litre gives l while \liter gives L. I have used \litre quite a few times throughtou...

 
 
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6:10 AM
@IrregularUser can you show me the command you type in quick build?
 
 
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7:46 AM
\documentstyle{report}\nofiles and no table of contents.
 
7:57 AM
I voted for deletion on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/236733/… because it is an exact duplicate and hence two questions with the same title were on the top of another questions related Q column.
 
8:15 AM
@Nasser @egreg: You will get the same issue with book too as soon as you use \frontmatter and \mainmatter. If you want to number the page consecutivly in the pdf use the pdfpagelabels=false option of hyperref. You should also disable the pageanchors for the titlepage to avoid that hyperref complains about a double page1.
\documentclass{report}
\usepackage{lipsum}
\title{abc}
\usepackage[pdfpagelabels=false]{hyperref}
\begin{document}
\hypersetup{pageanchor=false}
\begin{titlepage}
blub
\end{titlepage}

\hypersetup{pageanchor=true}
\chapter{abc}
\lipsum
\end{document}
@Nasser I personnally do find pdfpagelabels=false a bit confusing as the page with 2 in the footer must be printed as page 3, So I normally would number e.g. the titlepage in roman, so that I get "i, 1-10".
 
8:56 AM
@StefanKottwitz @UlrikeFischer I think the links should be removed => golatex.de/viewtopic,p,83389.html#83389
 
9:21 AM
@DavidCarlisle Bug in longtable ;-)
 
@JosephWright Where?
 
@UlrikeFischer Gnats database: @DavidCarlisle's decided its a feature :-)
 
10:05 AM
I would like to use biblatex but it seems that biber doesn't support BIBINPUTS. How do I specify the directory where my .bib files are?
 
10:21 AM
@Lembik Put them in your local tree
 
@JosephWright thanks.. That's a pain as I share a bib file with others via dropbox
but I have given up on biber+biblatex for the moment and now have another problem :)
 
@Johannes_B I removed the links
 
No bugs in longtable
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yo'
@Lembik you can create a file link. That's what I do for these isolated cases.
 
@yo' an interesting idea. But what is wrong with an environment variable?
my much more pressing problem is tex.stackexchange.com/questions/309409/… now :)
 
yo'
10:36 AM
@Lembik it's an inconsistent solution. TeX has a standard way of looking into directories, and this shall be followed. BIBINPUTS is really a wrong patch to a non-existent problem
 
@Lembik I'm not sure Biber is compiled with it set up
 
@JosephWright oh that's interesting!
 
[paulo@cambridge Artigos] $ ls -d Str*
Stringology 2016
@yo' ^^
 
so in principle I could use bibtex (command line tool) + biblatex
 
yo'
@PauloCereda is it Artigos_Accepted yet?
 
10:38 AM
@Lembik Provided you do not want the more advanced Biber features: BibTeX is much more limited
@Lembik Example of your typical set up?
 
@JosephWright right. I just have a shared bib file in a dropbox directory and BIBINPUTS points to it
I then render the latex locally
it all works great with bibtex
 
@Lembik That's not what I mean
 
oh sorry.. what did you mean?
 
@yo' I wish. :) At first, due to time restrictions, I was not able to submit anything to Stringology. Then they extended the deadline to last Thursday, so I am trying very hard to send a submission. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda you have to! Ducks shouldn't make their Czech friends unhappy :(
 
10:39 AM
@yo' <3
 
@JosephWright does biber read texmf.cnf setting?
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright Does biber use kpathsea?
 
Don't have biber on this phone
2
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle do have biber on this laptop, just don't know how to use it :D
 
@yo' Certainly finds my database file in %USERPROFILE%\texmf\bibtex\bib\local
@DavidCarlisle This I don't know
 
yo'
10:48 AM
[tohecz@toheshiba ~]$ grep -c texmf `which biber`
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@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle ^^
 
But my
Mobile interface is rubish
 
@egreg: Happy day of Our Lady of Fátima!
 
11:05 AM
@Lembik @JosephWright It works fine for me. If I do "set BIBINPUTS=test1" on a command line then biber finds a bib in the subfolder test1 which it didn't find before. Beside this biber supports the switch --input-directory.
 
@touhami I managed to get it to work, I had forgotten to add &.tex to the end
@touhami one final thing, is there a way to get it to view PDF afterwards?
 
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright: The documentation says it uses kpsewhich.
 
@UlrikeFischer As I said, I'd observed this :-)
@UlrikeFischer Depends of course how you install it: certainly when I was compiling by hand that was not the case
 
@JosephWright I see that sometimes people use the tag when they really mean math. Would it be useful to rename that tag to , like they did on StackOverflow? That would clear up the confusion.
Just a suggestion.
 
@Szabolcs Not sure I see how the longer name helps: what does mean if you also have ?
 
11:13 AM
@JosephWright People sometimes want a tag that refers to "math" or "mathematics", which is called "mathematica" in many languages. They start typing "mat..." and the "Mathematica" tag comes up, so they just accept it. Either because they don't pay attention (which is understandable) or because they don't realize that it doesn't mean maths in English. If instead "wolfram-mathematica" came up, they wouldn't accept that tag accidentally.
On StackOverflow that tag used to be misused all the time. It isn't misused since the renaming.
On TeX.SE though it's not a very common tag, and there didn't seem to be that many misuses. I corrected two today. In total there were 68 questions only. So it's not a big deal.
 
I agree with Szabolcs suggestion. Adding Wolfram to the tag name helps reduce the confusion.
 
On Mathematica.SE we get math questions daily because people confuse it with Math.SE.
Yep, @Nasser is active both on Mathematica.SE and he was a regular contributor to the tag on StackOverflow (when that tag used to be popular), so he is very familiar with the situation.
 
@Szabolcs, @Nasser I think 'raise on meta' is the best plan: probably needs a 'formal' discussion (@StefanKottwitz?)
 
@JosephWright OK, will do that later. I'll also link back here.
 
11:40 AM
@Szabolcs @JosephWright @Nasser yes, simply raise the question on meta. We had a lot of tag related questions and answers specially at the beginning. There may be an easy way such as adding a tag-alias or several aliases to catch possible tag synonyms and choose a canonical tag. A meta discussion leads to the best solution and is a reference for future similar cases, better than just chat. Though it's ok to discuss here as well.
 
@IrregularUser yes i will try to add this to the answer.
 
12:17 PM
@PauloCereda Next year it will be one century
 
@touhami Beautiful! Thank you very much for your help - enjoy your bounty!
 
@egreg yay!
 
1:16 PM
@IrregularUser you're welcome
 
1:43 PM
@UlrikeFischer That's very confusing. I will have to do more testing but thank you
 
@Lembik What is your texsystem? (I think I tested with TL2016)
 
@UlrikeFischer pdfTeX 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.15 (TeX Live 2014)
which looked relevant
 
2:04 PM
Holy cow, I actually used arara for something!
 
@PauloCereda Something useful? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer It is... complicated to answer that. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well, I am sure the answer is .... NOOOOOO
 
@ChristianHupfer You naughty moose German! <3
 
@PauloCereda :D
 
2:09 PM
@PauloCereda Logos!
 
@JosephWright Lotsa them! Gonna reply. :)
 
@JosephWright just fixed luacolor:-)
@PauloCereda typesetting your thesis ?
 
[paulo@cambridge ~] $ ack -c "arara" thesis.tex
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@DavidCarlisle ^^
 
@PauloCereda best not to use dodgy software to run important documents like that. Stick to emacs
 
@DavidCarlisle vvv
[paulo@cambridge ~] $ emacs
bash: emacs: Comando não encontrado...
 
2:16 PM
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@PauloCereda seems right ^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle I like how French sounds suspiciously familiar. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle emacs is not a command only, it's a philosophy! @PauloCereda :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer don't blame me just whatever GT came up with for @PauloCereda's French.
 
@DavidCarlisle @DavidCarlisle: That's French a la Brazilenne, mais oui, c'est Duck Au Vin @PauloCereda ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Le patatine fritte! :)
Guys, how do you typeset that is, i.e.?
> American English prefers a comma after i.e.; in British English a comma does not follow i.e.
ooh
So no comma for me. British love
 
2:51 PM
@JosephWright I think there is a bug in the \clearpage definition in l3galley. You are storing the equivalent to \write -1 {} in a tl-variable but it is never executed.
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{expl3}

\ExplSyntaxOn\makeatletter
\tl_new:N\g_galley_whatsit_next_tl

\cs_set_nopar:Npn \clearpage
  {
    \mode_if_vertical:T
      {
        \int_compare:nNnT \@dbltopnum = \c_minus_one
          {
            \dim_compare:nNnT \tex_pagetotal:D < \topskip
              { \tex_hbox:D { } }
          }
      }
    \newpage
    %\tl_gput_right:Nn \g_galley_whatsit_next_tl
    %  { \iow_shipout:Nx \c_minus_one { } }
    \iow_shipout:Nx \c_minus_one { }  %this works
 
@UlrikeFischer I'll have a look later on
 
3:14 PM
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@ChristianHupfer, @Johannes_B ^^ :)
@NicolaTalbot: Hi! <3
 
@PauloCereda Hello! I got your email. Will reply soon :-)
@Paulo I've added a xindy rule to arara.
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh no worries. :) I am very happy to see Cameron helping you in datatooltk. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, he's fixed the Windows installer for me :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot I got the notification, thank you! :) My plan is to work in the manual now. :)
@NicolaTalbot yay!
 
@PauloCereda :-) I was wondering if I ought to add texindy as well.
 
3:21 PM
@NicolaTalbot the tool is yours too, my friend. :) Feel free to add it. Version 4.0 wouldn't be here if you weren't in the team. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-) I think the easiest thing is to just copy xindy.yaml and replace xindy with texindy.
 
@NicolaTalbot ooh the plan is cool! :)
@Nicola: I thought of adding a plugin system in version 5.0... :)
 
@PauloCereda I don't understand this joke (Say this aloud with heavy German accent, like the German Officer in 'The Lethal Joke' ) ;-)
 
@PauloCereda Done :-)
 
3:28 PM
@PauloCereda Rainer Wolfcastle? :D
 
@ChristianHupfer He's Austrian, I guess. Sorry. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yay! I can't remember if I've already asked (my memory's so unreliable) but is there any way of accessing the file basename. For example % arara: xindy: {modules: [basename]}
 
@NicolaTalbot In the directive?
 
@PauloCereda @PauloCereda: You know that's he's a spoof version of that other Austrian guy, .... I can't remember his name ,.... that bloke with sun glasses and who says: "I'll be back" ;-)
 
@PauloCereda From the arara comments in the .tex file (as opposed to using getBasename() in the .yaml file).
 
3:30 PM
@NicolaTalbot I believe it's not possible. :( Let me check the rule for a moment.
@Nicola: what if we check one of the values of modules (inside the foreach thingy) equals to basename, then we call getBasename in there?
 
@PauloCereda Ooh, that would be clever! :-)
 
Everything in the rule context, but we give the illusion of setting stuff in the directive context. :)
 
@PauloCereda Good idea. I'll give it a try.
 
@NicolaTalbot <3
@DavidCarlisle: ^^ I IZ SMART
 
@PauloCereda Done. It works! :-)
 
3:41 PM
@NicolaTalbot yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
 
@PauloCereda Oh wow. It took me much too long to get the pun.
@PauloCereda :-D
 
3:58 PM
@Johannes_B <3
 
 
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5:45 PM
@JosephWright uploaded to ctan
 
@DavidCarlisle Great
 
@JosephWright but...
-rw-r--r-- 1 davidc Domain Users 35M May 13 18:30 oberdiek.tds.zip
-rwx------ 1 davidc Domain Users 19M May 11 00:10 oberdiek.tds-ctan-base.zip
 
:29638760 It?
@DavidCarlisle Ah
 
@JosephWright ^^
@JosephWright I just used pdflatex I think Heiko used luatex and some pdf post processor...
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, he's mentioned that before
 
5:55 PM
@JosephWright luacolor, apart from not working at all with luatex 0.85 was using\luatexluaescape so probably hasn't worked since start of last year when we dropped the prefixing
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
6:13 PM
Hello everyone! :D I was wondering if you guys could help me achieve something. I want to quickly check how some numbers look in every available font for pdflatex. Do you guys have a small document that does a loop printing say "1,2,3,4" in all the fonts that pdflatex offers?
 
$ find /usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/fonts/tfm/ -name \*.tfm | wc -l
38098
@Alenanno ^^ all of them?
 
@Alenanno see tug.dk/FontCatalogue
 
6:28 PM
@Alenanno tex itself doesn't know which fonts are available but you could generate a file using find as above that just made a list of filenames to loop through, not all of them will have an encoding that has 1,2,3,4 in the usual slots, that's harder to detect
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok thanks, I'll look into it
:D
 
7:17 PM
Hope I'm not bothering anyone with all the questions I've asked over hte last few days
 
@Canageek How else can @egreg and @DavidCarlisle harvest rep?
 
@JosephWright I thought they usually had maxed out their rep gain before they woke up in the morning?
 
@Canageek Something like that ....
 
@Canageek I hardly ever get rep cap these days;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Just wait until I have to do my supp info and put in all my crystallographic data. I'm sure Longtable will come up. ;)
 
7:20 PM
meanwhile Joseph someone broke LaTeX3
 
@Canageek I'll look forward to it
 
Grah, I recall there was something special about citing Acta Cryst. but I can't find it now
 
@DavidCarlisle Probably a box test I've not looked at (xcoffins I suspect)
@Canageek Depends: I ignore their ideas and call it Acta Cryst. <A-F> as a title, and just have the number as a volume
 
@JosephWright Acutally that now appears correct.
@JosephWright I thought they used to claim it was all one journal, and that A-F were in fact volumes or subsections or whatever?
 
@Canageek Yes
@Canageek I see they've changed the submission rules too: you used to have to submit in .cif format
 
7:24 PM
@JosephWright Wait, the entire paper?
@JosephWright This is C, not E.
 
7:36 PM
@DavidCarlisle Too bad answers. :P
 
What is going on? Where is that extra backslash coming from? And why is that name hard-coded?
\listfiles
\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{xpatch}% Added
\usepackage{pseudocode}
\tracingpatches
\makeatletter
\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode}{\bfseries}{Algorithmus}{}{}
%\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode}{Algorithm}{Algorithmus}{}{}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\show\pseudocode
\begin{pseudocode}{title}{?}
\end{pseudocode}
\end{document}
 
@Johannes_B I see no problem; do you?
 
@egreg Tracing reports that it works, but the output shows no difference.
 
@Johannes_B Read page 1 in the documentation of xpatch
@Johannes_B Do \xshowcmd\pseudocode
 
7:55 PM
@Johannes_B You need to do the patch a second time, to replace the second \bfseries.
 
@Nasser I know that one, but it requires me to check each font individually = teeeeedioussss! lol
@DavidCarlisle The fact is that I've seen in some answers here the thing I want to do, but I don't remember the questions to be honest.
 
@egreg too busy fixing other people's packages
 
\listfiles
\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{xpatch}% Added
\usepackage{pseudocode}
\tracingpatches
\makeatletter
%\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode }{Algorithm}{wombat}{}{}% Uncomment or swap
\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode }{Algorithm}{Algorithmus}{}{}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\begin{pseudocode}{capybara}{?}
\end{pseudocode}
\end{document}
@UlrikeFischer @egreg Thanks. But now i am even a bit more confused. vv
I'll leave this for now, i am tired. Maybe i can fiure stuff out tomorrow.
 
@Johannes_B You need two replacements:
\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{xpatch}% Added
\usepackage{pseudocode}
\tracingpatches
\makeatletter
\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode }{Algorithm}{wombat}{}{}% Uncomment or swap
\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode }{Algorithm}{Nasenb\"ar}{}{}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\begin{pseudocode}{capybara}{?}
\end{pseudocode}
\end{document}
 
\listfiles
\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{xpatch}% Added
\usepackage{pseudocode}
\tracingpatches
\makeatletter
\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode }{Algorithm}{gggggAlgorithmus}{}{}
\xpatchcmd{\pseudocode }{Algorithm}{wombat}{}{}% Uncomment or swap
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\begin{pseudocode}{capybara}{?}
\end{pseudocode}
\end{document}
@UlrikeFischer what do you get with that? ^
 
8:14 PM
You are replacing the first Algorithm with a word that contains Algorithm, so your second patch will change ggggAlgorithmus, and so you now need an third patch ...
 
@Johannes_B The “search” part acts on the first match.
You get gggggwombatmus
 
@egreg @UlrikeFischer Oh my, wow. I didn't see that.
Thanks guys.
@PauloCereda In other news: New on CTAN: biblatex-abnt :-)
 
8:31 PM
@Johannes_B abnt?
 
@Canageek there is ASTM and DIN, and ABNT for our friends from Brazil.
And probably many many more of such rules/norms around the world. Not to mention ISO.
 
@Johannes_B I have never heard of any of these formats. I know of MLA, APA, IEEE, ACS, RSC, and Chicago. Oh, and Science and Nature each have their own I think.
That I've seen RSC is the best and other people should switch to it.
D. B. Leznoff is shorter then Leznoff, D. B. by 1 character.
Which on a lot of papers will add up to quite a bit. Plus I find their use of italics much nicer then the ACS version.
@Johannes_B Idea: Every year the citation format with the least number of users in each field must merge with another format. In the end each field will only have one. :D
 
@Canageek Just add the database, no punctuation needed.
 
@Johannes_B Databases are unreliable. dx.doi.org has gone down before. I think there should be a human-parables format included with the paper. I think all papers should ADD the DOI as part of the citation though.
 
@Canageek No, \begin{thebibliographie} author = {John Smith and Pocahontas}, title = {No wombats here}, year = {42} \end{thebibliography}
 
8:44 PM
@Johannes_B Now, if you were to make a new PDOI (Parsable DOI) that was formatted something like JournalShort.YEAR.ISSUE.NUMBER.PAGE I'd be down for that.
@Johannes_B Yes, but when I compile the document one will take more characters, and thus be more of a pain when printing it out.
@Johannes_B Also take up more space when I'm citing it in things that have page limits, or on posters.
 
@Canageek I learned that people use smart phones these days, which can only send text messages. Who needs printing anymore?
:-p
 
@Johannes_B Have you tried reading scientific papers on a smart phone? It does not work well. Also: Government applications have very strict page limits, and lots of people still present posters at confrences.
@Johannes_B Also less space taken up on a powerpoint slide
 
@Canageek Sorry, i don't have a fix for that in my head. There are a lot of crazy ideas in there, but ....
And i am really tired.
 
@Johannes_B I have a stack of them! See my idea about human-readable DOI. Or use RSC format instead of ACS. ;)
 
@Canageek Use biblatex for resumes ;-)
 
8:50 PM
@Johannes_B Actually I format those by hand in LaTeX. Well, I produce the citation in Biber, then recode it to look the same. Easier then figuring out how to put citations in body text under various headings.
 
9:10 PM
Ok, here is an idea. Multithreaded LaTeX. Thread one compiles the PDF, thread 2 starts and stays a page behind, to get the references right. You could also add a .bib thread between these if needed.
 
@Canageek one page behind doesn't guarantee getting refs right does it?
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess not, since some could be forwards in the document. Damn.
@DavidCarlisle It was funny recently. I could hear my case fans spin up every time I compiled my document. Odd on an i7-2600K.
 
@Canageek eg tables of contents always need to know page numbers of last section in the document
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, figured that out after your comment.
 
@Canageek Yes, Acta C, certainly up to the first couple of years of Acta E's existence
 
9:17 PM
@Canageek and I suppose it took some terrible time like a couple of seconds to process the document. If it took less than 15 minutes per page (where I started) I have no sympathy.
 
@JosephWright Wacky. I didn't know you could do that with a cif file.
 
@Canageek Oh, you can :-) It's an interesting experience
 
@DavidCarlisle No, it didn't take long, it was just really annoying as then it would then cool the CPU off, and spin back down right away. So I'd get these bursts of noise whenever I compiled. Don't know why the CPU was sitting right at the border of fan off/fan on.
 
9:30 PM
Question: Should it be title = "{{\it SHELXT} -- Integrated space-group and crystal-structure determination}" or title = "{{\it SHELXT} --- Integrated space-group and crystal-structure determination}"?
Also, is it worth finding every case where IUPAC's export system did \it instead of \textit?
 
@Canageek Choice of em or en dash is a style thing, really
 
@JosephWright OK.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B Hello, any chance you're around?
 
@yo' Barely :-)
 
yo'
What's your opinion on this, please, Mr. Templates? :) github.com/tohecz/ctuthesis/issues/25
 
9:38 PM
@yo' If they draw from a github repo, there will be no updates unless you ping James or somebody else.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B yeah, that's what I thought, thanks for assuring me about this.
 
@yo' If they do and provide a zip containing your files, the user will have them, ready for access, and probably alter them (though that is harder with L3). So you will possibly have a dozen different files with the same name around. Much more unlikely, if you publish on CTAN, since nobody would add article.cls or something like that.
 
@ChristianHupfer :-)
 
@Johannes_B: My trials with xcookybooky :D
 
yo'
9:41 PM
@Johannes_B I replied, maybe not in the most diplomatic way, but that's it :D
 
@ChristianHupfer xcookybooxy .... looked familiar.
@yo' Well, i think Overleaf and ShareLaTeX are kinda good. On the other hand ... They are distributors of some bad things.
For example Thesis.cls and MastersDoctoralThesis.cls.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B well, I've never understood the people's liking of these services, especially "for WYSIWYG".
 
@ChristianHupfer I think the big numbers should not be overflown. Not your fault though.
 
yo'
I again assured myself that people aiming at "the correct look" in LaTeX rather than "the correct code" always end with a complete mess all around the place. If you do it the right way, the mess is mostly limited to the preamble.
 
@yo' Are they WYSIWYG? I haven't checked.
 
9:45 PM
@Johannes_B Yes, I don't like them -- it was a first trial with xcookybooky -- never used it so far
 
@ChristianHupfer The placement of the numbers is a bit odd, beside this they should be imho no comma after mitrösten and Pfefer needs a second f.
 
@UlrikeFischer Hey, i just wanted to say that :-)
 
@UlrikeFischer Pfefer is my typo, agreed, but blame the package for the \unit command, about the comma, well I ask a teacher of German language about that ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Back in school, there was a guy in our class, very intelligent, a physics guy. He didn't speak much. In a german lesson the teacher aasked: Can you tell us something about commas?. The reply was a very stern: I don't use commas.
@yo' If you want a little freak out, check the comments section on Overleaf. Some crazy stuff in there.
 
@UlrikeFischer According to Duden there's a comma before bis
 
yo'
9:55 PM
@Johannes_B the guy on my github says it
 
@ChristianHupfer I don't care about duden but about the reading rhythmus of the cooking steps. If you want to put a comma there, then you need a semicolon before the mitrösten so that is clear to which step the bis-sentence belongs. As a cook I like clear separations of the instructions.
 
@UlrikeFischer You're assuming a stupid cook then ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I'm assuming a cook who is stressed. But I also like a consistent style. Actually I think the best would be if there were an "und" before mitrösten as it is the last instruction.
 
10:30 PM
@UlrikeFischer :-) Awwww.
<3
@UlrikeFischer I wanted to change the german wikibooks thingie on lists to contain a sample of \item Braunbärand \item Schwarzbár and \item Stachelbär but Nasenbär would fit in quite well. :-)
 
@Johannes_B Nasenbären fit everywhere quite well ...
 
Is the lmodern package broken, or have I screwed up my system:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{lmodern}
\newcommand{\foo}[1]{‌#1}
\begin{document}
\foo{bar}
\end{document}
 
@UlrikeFischer :-) why did you pick Nasenbären?
 
10:47 PM
@StrongBad ^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle that is what I get, but not what I expected.
 
inputenc/fontenc?
 
@PauloCereda should it need it?
 
@StrongBad I have no idea. :)
 
My husband did. He has an very good taste ...
 
10:49 PM
It was a shot in the dark. :)
 
  U+005c REVERSE SOLIDUS     &bsol; \backslash \textbackslash
  U+006e LATIN SMALL LETTER N     n
  U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E     e
  U+0077 LATIN SMALL LETTER W     w
  U+0063 LATIN SMALL LETTER C     c
  U+006f LATIN SMALL LETTER O     o
  U+006d LATIN SMALL LETTER M     m
  U+006d LATIN SMALL LETTER M     m
  U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A     a
  U+006e LATIN SMALL LETTER N     n
  U+0064 LATIN SMALL LETTER D     d
  U+007b LEFT CURLY BRACKET     &lcub; &lbrace; \lbrace
  U+005c REVERSE SOLIDUS     &bsol; \backslash \textbackslash
@StrongBad you have zero width spaces in that line see ^^^
@StrongBad ` U+200c ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER &zwnj;` immediately before the # (just delete the [#1] and retype it)
 
@DavidCarlisle where the hell did they come from. Yup, apparently I kept copying and pasting the bad command.
 
@StrongBad they came from you:-)
 
@UlrikeFischer :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I agree, but I have no idea how to type a zero width space.
 
10:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle: ^^
 
@PauloCereda I used an editor, but I suppose that will do in this case.
 
@DavidCarlisle Preposterous. :)
 
@PauloCereda actually I used this for the format pasted above: w3c.github.io/xml-entities/unicode-names.html
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh :) No emacs for a change. :)
 
@PauloCereda some javascript I wrote a while back:-)
 
10:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
(wrote it in emacs of course)
 
@DavidCarlisle boo
 
@PauloCereda quack
ooh @JosephWright just fixed LaTeX3
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle oh no, the logo! Must reply.
 
@PauloCereda you got him into that travis CI stuff:-)
 
11:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle That thing is really useful, I guess. :)
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Q: Unrecognized command in Algo, but the code can be compiled

rayallen I use Texstudio. I have installed package {algorithm} and {algpseudocode}. The unrecognized command are all marked in red, but they can be complied. I want to know, why this problem appears and how to solve it. Many thanks

@DavidCarlisle: For a minute, I read Algol. ^^ I was scared!
@David: My advisor once said Algol 68 and Fortran were the best programming languages in the world. :)
 
@PauloCereda the latter feeds my family
@PauloCereda probably at the time he meant the best two out of a total list of algol, fortran and cobol
 
@DavidCarlisle Nah, last week. :)
 
11:35 PM
Latex experts: I have basic question on fonts. I know nothing about how fonts work in latex. But when I compile my document to pdf, and inside pdf, asks it to tell me which fonts some text is (I have pdf pro, which can do this), it tells me the font is NimbusRomNo9L-Regu, but in my Latex, I load the package \usepackage{times} , expecting the font to be Times Roman? Is this just different name for same font?
In Latex, I do
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{times}
And the interesting thing, is that if I open the above menu in pdf, I do see Time-Roman down the list. So why is it not time Roman already?
And if I try to change the font inside PDF to Time-Roman, I get this message
Followed by
So why isn't my font in PDF time-roman already? Isn't this what the package times supposed to do?
 
11:53 PM
@Nasser Nimbus is a free version of Times
 
@Canageek I see. thanks. So it is Times font. All is good then.
 
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Q: What is going on with all these Times clones?

CanageekSo, I've been loading Times in my documents via the following method \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage{mathptmx} \usepackage{tgtermes} So as to get the math support of mathptmx but the better kerning and such of tgterms. However today I noticed there are a TON of Times packages on CTAN: Ti...

That however needs to be updated to note that newtxtext is now based directly on tgterms, so there is no downside to using newtxtext anymore.
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@Nasser Oh! Wait! DO NOT USE \usepackage{times}
 
@Canageek what do you recommend to use then? I thought Times Roman was supposed to be the best?
 
@Nasser That is a super old, really BAD version of the font. You want to use \usepackage{newtxtext,newtxmath}
 
@Canageek Ok, will try that now. thanks
 
11:57 PM
@Nasser Times is a Typeface. Times New Roman is one version of it. LaTeX has a few others that look ALMOST identical, but how well they are put into the computer file varies a lot. times is the oldest one, and a lot of people have put a lot of work into making it better since then
Here, use this block and see how it looks:
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{newtxtext,newtxmath}
\usepackage[protrusion=true,expansion=true]{microtype}
 
@Canageek Ok, will copy what you have and rebuild my file now to see ! thanks
 
@Nasser Nah, Times New Roman is Microsoft's cheap Times knockoff. That is why they keep trying to get people to move to Cambria, they are embarrassed by it.
@Nasser But yeah, check out tug.dk/FontCatalogue it shows you what every font LaTeX has looks like, and has commands you can copy and paste in to make it work.
 

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