The Bridge

Frank

10:00 PM

@GodEmperorDune "But the data flows through the US, so we don't need no interation with CSIS!"

SaintWacko

Ooh, I need to get Darkest Dungeon for my SP3, too

Nate Kerkhofs

The Golden Key: FBI vs Apple iPhone - Computerphile

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user15026

@twobugs I'll be right there beside you, also happy

Nate Kerkhofs

Watch that

GodEmperorDune

@NateKerkhofs the all writs act, passed before the US had relationships with most of those countries, specifically allows them the same rights as the US government?

Nate Kerkhofs

10:01 PM

@GodEmperorDune no, but America has been known to share information with its allies

And legal precedents do not really care about borders

GodEmperorDune

@NateKerkhofs if that was true then international laws would be much more similar than they currently are

Nate Kerkhofs

But please, first watch that video before you continue

it explains exactly what I want to make clear

GodEmperorDune

i'm watching

the argument that nefarious updates would discourage people from updating regularly is a good one

SaintWacko

@GodEmperorDune Yeah, it would destroy a lot of trust in the company

two bugs

Hm, apparently the Bravely Default sequel has one of the the same flaws the original had. Arguably a very big flaw, at that.

Frank

10:12 PM

@SaintWacko And open up CFW for Apple devices.

SaintWacko

@Frank CFW?

Frank

Which would absolutely murder what was left of their baked in security system.

@SaintWacko custom firmware

SaintWacko

@Frank Oh, that's true

I didn't even think about that

GodEmperorDune

@NateKerkhofs so after watching that video, i still disagree with your argument

Frank

As soon as Apple shows itself as unable to protect user's data, the phone would be cracked wide open.

GodEmperorDune

10:14 PM

but i like the EFF's argument about compelled speech

ultimately though, if snowden's revelations didn't change public opinion, I don't see how the iphone case will do better

Lazers 2.0

-1

Q: Moving pokemon from emulator to cartridge

so here is what I want to be able to do. I want to move pokemon from an emulator (VBA on windows) to the real leaf green cartridge, and then move them up from there to pokemon platinum with a ds, and then to pokemon black, and then to pokemon Omega Ruby. I know I need some hardware for this, but ...

Frank

@GodEmperorDune It changed the optics.

Now the FBI has to justify it, and they chose the case that gives them the most sympathetic perspective.

"We have to allow this now! Think of other terrorism activities that might happen if we don't!"

aka. FUD.

GodEmperorDune

privacy has been fuct since the patriot act, and they still haven't repealed it

Frank

And hence the encryption backlash.

People know the government can't be trusted, so they go with options that give them that privacy.

GodEmperorDune

but private companies are even less trustworthy

at least the government is supposedly accountable to voters

Frank

10:27 PM

@GodEmperorDune Pfft.

Lip service, and that only at election time.

GodEmperorDune

when was the last time a CEO was elected

the only influence people have over private companies is handwavey "market forces"

Frank

@GodEmperorDune Which is actually a pretty strong indicator.

"Oh, hey, this company did something skeezy I really don't like. Guess I'm moving away from them." company tanks, CEO gets fired

Dragonrage

@Frank whereas the govt just gets a fall guy to take the blame and moves on

Frank

@Dragonrage They have scapegoats aplenty.

For company market force examples, see VW.

Dragonrage

@frank do you have that like stored in a clipboard?

you ninja'ed me like a second before i posted that

Frank

10:37 PM

@Dragonrage ...No?

It just struck me as I was arguing the point.

Dragonrage

@Frank the comment you just posted

on the question for game iden

Frank

Still no.

The only thing I really copy and paste is my, "You've asked another braindead zero effort Minecraft question, and haven't even tried it yet. Do that, please" comments.

Dragonrage

will, i guess i did almost flag it incorrectly, so that did slow me down a little

Lazers 2.0

-3

Q: What is the PC racing game [DETAILS BELLOW]?

So I am desperately trying to figure out what the name of a PC game that I used to play. Here are some specifics: The graphics seemed fairly old, maybe around 2003ish, but I am not sure when exactly the game was made There were a series of levels each with AI and a series of different cars Some...

game-identification

Unionhawk

ughhhhhhhhh

GodEmperorDune

10:44 PM

@Unionhawk close vote by @DangerZone

Unionhawk

cc @fredley

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune ?

Unionhawk

I thought I had a good and clever way to do the thing I am trying to do but apparently setting xpoints manually screws up contains for a Polygon

Because, naturally

GodEmperorDune

Archer - Highway To The Dangerzone

►

Unionhawk

Why would that ever work

Oh wait, it might be something different?

Nate Kerkhofs

10:51 PM

WarThog

ohhh, he's almost through #5

Unionhawk

Eh, I'm going to a "screw it, let's recreate the Polygon object" solution

Memory leaky? Probably. Going to cause a nullpointerexception? Probably.

murgatroid99

At least it's not race conditions

Unionhawk

That's actually not bad I think

It'd be easier to tell "not bad" if it was like C++ and I had delete object instead I'm just doing object = null; object = new Polygon(new numbers)

murgatroid99

What language are you working in?

Unionhawk

10:56 PM

Java

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk if you have a garbage collector, that null assignment is probably unnecessary

Unionhawk

Wait really

WarThog

Java has too many files involved for my liking

Unionhawk

I guess that makes sense

GodEmperorDune

that's how refrance counting works

murgatroid99

10:57 PM

Yes. Garbage collectors look for live references to objects

GodEmperorDune

if it makes you feel any better, the compiler would probably drop it anyway

murgatroid99

I don't think Java actually uses explicit reference counting

Unionhawk

Sweet, now to figure out how to get my math to work correctly.

GodEmperorDune

its been a long time since i looked into jvm garbage collectors, so you're probably right

Unionhawk

Stupid triginometry

GodEmperorDune

10:59 PM

marksweep just looks for live ones, IIRC

murgatroid99

According to a random blog post I just found on the internet, it uses a concurrent generational mark and sweep algorithm

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Xbox 360 minecraft, just downloaded for my son and i am clueless, he says his guy wont turn

Ok, so he logs on or whatever, chooses the hard drive as storage, chooses a world, and when it pulls up he says his guy wont turn? He can move forward and back. This is the 2nd download, it worked last night and he was thrilled, but today, it started again. Any ideas??

minecraft xbox

badp

It's weird that those claims aren't tied to a specific Java version or implementation

@Unionhawk object = null is basically stupid

Unless you're writing object.field = null

murgatroid99

@badp Oh, I just didn't mention that. "It" here is JDK7

badp

but then you wouldn't proceed to set it to something else

GodEmperorDune

11:03 PM

i've done object = null initially, then checked for null later on to initialize it

Unionhawk

@badp I was running under the incorrect assumption that the old object would not get deleted

badp

honestly I don't necessarily know why Python has del other than for __delitem__

GodEmperorDune

@badp its for del taco, obvi

WarThog

But guise, wat do if all refrenc to null gone? does garbag cullect?

murgatroid99

@badp Because python has destructors, and the GC does not interact well with them

@WarThog Null is not dynamically allocated, and is therefore not subject to garbage collection

WarThog

11:05 PM

(was joking)

badp

@murgatroid99 eh, I don't see explicit del going well either

GnomeSlice

wtf

badp

much better idea to use with blocks

if possible

murgatroid99

@badp with blocks use __enter__ and __exit__, not __del__

> Circular references which are garbage are detected when the option cycle detector is enabled (it’s on by default), but can only be cleaned up if there are no Python-level __del__() methods involved. Refer to the documentation for the gc module for more information about how __del__() methods are handled by the cycle detector, particularly the description of the garbage value.

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice dude is a creeper

murgatroid99

11:07 PM

That's the issue I was talking about

badp

@murgatroid99 and __exit__ is basically a saner version of __del__

GodEmperorDune

@badp ur clownness is a saner version of del

badp

@GodEmperorDune the literal nothingness is indeed a saner thing to do than writing __del__, with exceptions

in general __del__ doesn't get to throw exceptions, and if it does the exceptions usually go to /dev/null

that said usually destructors don't need to do anything fancy anyway

so it's fine really

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy or @Sterno Up to try doubles mode in The Culling tonight

Lazers 2.0

11:23 PM

0

Q: Should I try to manage the estates?

I am playing as a republic (Florence) and have had the burgher estate seize control of my nation after gaining 80 influence. I have the following questions: Should I try to take the decision to remove them? What are the pros and cons of letting them take over vs. managing the estates?

europa-universalis-4

GodEmperorDune

@Lazers2.0 opinion based?

Dragonrage

@badp, here's a contraction for you, "y’all’dn’t’ve "

user15026

@Dragonrage From ELU, yeah?

Dragonrage

@AshleyNunn yea

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage umm, allahdeen?

Dragonrage

11:30 PM

as a person who has been around southerners a lot, i can pronounce this fairly easily

well at least i can drawl it

not sure if drawling is considered pronouncing

GodEmperorDune

what is the full version? you all do not have?

Dragonrage

you all would not have

GodEmperorDune

i see

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune said the blind man to his deaf son, as he picked up his hammer and saw

Fluttershy

@GnomeSlice Can't. I'm gonna be unavailable for the better part of a week. We're replacing carpet tomorrow-Sunday, and my son's visiting next week.

SaintWacko

11:33 PM

@Dragonrage Sigh...

GodEmperorDune

now i have an interesting nosetest

if i don't time anything, the whole suite completes in about a second

badp

@Dragonrage you all don't have nuttin on me

GodEmperorDune

if i put a 5 second limit on one of the tests, that test times out

badp

y'll'lln't've'd nuttin on me either

GodEmperorDune

no one is interested in "nuttin" on you @badp

SaintWacko

11:36 PM

@badp What's that last d?

Dragonrage

@SaintWacko had

you all will not have had

SaintWacko

@Dragonrage Ahh, thank you

Dragonrage

@SaintWacko y're'ome

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage no, my welcome

hi @GnomeSlice

GnomeSlice

@Fluttershy I didn't even know you had a kid

SaintWacko

11:39 PM

@GodEmperorDune How dare you steal my welcome!

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune y're't'ome

GodEmperorDune

@SaintWacko NINJA'D

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune G'OR'NE'S'NT'A'JA: DATA'TED

Fluttershy

@GnomeSlice I feel like we've had this conversation before. :P

GnomeSlice

im pretty sure we havent

i thought you were like 20

Lazers 2.0

11:42 PM

0

Q: How to fight Targaryen dragons

I am playing as Illifer Mallister in the 7996 start date. I want to eventually work my way up to King of the Trident (a position currently held by Harren 'the Black' Hoare) and have led a successful league independence war against Harren. The AI Aegon the Conqueror used the Dragon Conquest CB aga...

mods crusader-kings-2

SaintWacko

I'll'nt've't

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice yeah my headcanon is shattering

Dragonrage

Dec 6 '13 at 18:22, by Fluttershy

My son was playing Wii when he was 4. I played NES when I was 4. I don't really get what's so shocking about a parent buying their kid a game system for Christmas. O_o

so from the data @Fluttershy's kid is at least 8

GnomeSlice

wtf

GodEmperorDune

lol, that transcript page is great

Dec 6 '13 at 18:28, by GnomeSlice

for fuck shake

before the autocorrect

Dragonrage

11:44 PM

making @Fluttershy at least ~30

but seeing as that the kid is visiting, i would guess closer to 40

user15026

@Dragonrage Curious how you arrived at that number

GnomeSlice

not many people have kids by 22

GodEmperorDune

is @Fluttershy older than @sterno?

user15026

@GodEmperorDune Nope.

user15026

That much I know.

user15026

11:46 PM

I forget how old everyone is, but I know that's not true.

Dragonrage

@AshleyNunn assuming it is @Fluttershy's first kid and a lot of people have kids in early twenties

GodEmperorDune

@AshleyNunn ugh its like one of those logic puzzles

user15026

@Dragonrage okay, maybe, but I'm not sure how you jumped from 30 to 40

Dragonrage

then if the kid was 8 @Fluttershy would be ~30

Fluttershy

@Dragonrage I will be both 30 in June, and checking my room for cameras.

GodEmperorDune

11:47 PM

@Fluttershy i'm 30 in april

but i don't have an 8 year old

Dragonrage

@AshleyNunn @Fluttershy said the son was visiting, so i'm assuming they are old enough to live by themselves, though i feel this is incorrect in light of recent information.

user15026

I'm not 30 for a year and some-odd months

Fluttershy

@GodEmperorDune He'll be 9 in August!

GnomeSlice

i hate talking about how old i am

user15026

@Dragonrage Or they're not together with the other parent, and thus, visiting

Fluttershy

11:48 PM

@Dragonrage Nah. I'm divorced. His mom keeps him.

WarThog

Stalking alert, bwoop bwoop

GodEmperorDune

@Fluttershy wow, you started early

Dragonrage

@Fluttershy i forgot to consider that path.

GnomeSlice

i dont feel my age, i have no accomolishments, i have a crush on a 16 year old girl, i have no goals

Fluttershy

@GodEmperorDune It wasn't intentional.

GnomeSlice

11:48 PM

all bad

Dragonrage

i hadnt quite gotten that far in my deduction chain yet

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice there's nothing wrong with most of those things. maybe not even the last one, depending on age of consent in canada

GnomeSlice

16

GodEmperorDune

see, all good then

GnomeSlice

although you can't do anal till 18 without beingc married

Dragonrage

11:49 PM

can anyone guess my age?

GnomeSlice

which seems silly

Fluttershy

@Dragonrage 16

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice thats highly specific and strange

GnomeSlice

right?

Fluttershy

@GnomeSlice To be fair, sodomy is illegal in most of the states, I believe.

GodEmperorDune

11:50 PM

i guess ottowa lawmakers had some bad experiences toward the end of high school

GnomeSlice

anyway it's not reciprod so I'm safe

@Fluttershy huh, really?

Dragonrage

@Fluttershy ive already graduated college and have a job

GnomeSlice

why is that even a thing

Fluttershy

@Dragonrage 26

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice homophobia from back in the day

Dragonrage

11:51 PM

@Fluttershy closer

GnomeSlice

i mean anal is gross but it's not really hurting anybody

user15026

@Dragonrage 21.

GnomeSlice

24

Dragonrage

@AshleyNunn correct

user15026

@Dragonrage Really? Go me! :)

Lazers 2.0

11:51 PM

0

Q: why isn't /testfor working?

I'm typing: /test for @p[r=10 0] {Inventory:[{id:"mine craft:red stone_torch"}]} but when i have a red stone torch its not giving a signal. When I said red stone,mine craft,test for There is no space it's just the website dosn't like spelling errors

minecraft minecraft-commands

0

Q: How do I set a block texture in Minecraft Forge 1.7.10?

Currently I'm using: block_Unobtainium.setBlockTextureName("generic:blockoreunobtainium"); I've also tried: block_Unobtainium.setBlockTextureName(ReferenceStrings.MODINFO_MODID , ":blockoreunobtainium"); but neither works... Anyone have any advice or know what I'm doing wrong?

minecraft mods minecraft-mods minecraft-forge

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage wow, you're a youngun

Fluttershy

WarThog

is feeling young despite being able to drink

Dragonrage

@AshleyNunn yea. how did you guess 21?

GnomeSlice

but that's where poop comes out

Dragonrage

11:52 PM

@GodEmperorDune yea, i graduated college in 3 years :P

with a BS in CS

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage which school?

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune CSUSB

user15026

@Dragonrage Start at 17, added 4 years for school

user15026

and went "eh, that sounds good"

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice most parts of the human body are kinda gross

Fluttershy

11:54 PM

@GnomeSlice Live human beings come from the other. O_o

Also, I'm going to stop this before it gets NSFWer.

Dragonrage

@Fluttershy wasnt it already?

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage very nice

murgatroid99

@Dragonrage I think that calling text "NSFW" is contentious at best

user15026

@murgatroid99 text can totally be NSFW

user15026

If it wasn't, we'd hardly get flags in here, no?

GodEmperorDune

11:55 PM

brb, time to post some 50 shades

WarThog

@AshleyNunn Don't remind me X_X

user15026

@GodEmperorDune If you're going to post erotica, make it something decent, not some abuse disguised as terrible BDSM.

user15026

gets off soapbox

murgatroid99

@AshleyNunn most of the flags I've seen for NSFW content in this room are for images

user15026

@murgatroid99 Ah, I've seen a lot for text, myself.

Dragonrage

11:56 PM

@murgatroid99 i havent seen any of flags

user15026

Usually cursing.

GodEmperorDune

@AshleyNunn back when it was a thing, i flipped to the middle in a CVS one time. the writing was so bad

murgatroid99

I usually infer that flags for text are because it's insulting or offensive, not because it's NSFW

user15026

@GodEmperorDune It's horrible. I like erotica, there is plenty of good erotica, plenty of good, safe sane and consensual BDSM erotica. 50Shades is none of those things.

badp

@GnomeSlice I started working at 24

GodEmperorDune

11:57 PM

@murgatroid99 i am tempted to construct some text that is not insulting nor offensive but still nsfw

Frank

Wee! Weekly shopping is complete!

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune I disagree that it would be

Frank

@badp That's...pretty late.

GodEmperorDune