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El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
9:00 AM
I know Jin Yang did the design for C.SE.
 
Anonymous
From our A51 page:
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
Not bad for 4 months of work :P
 
somebody
somebody
needs to learn how to get rep
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
Post good challenges. Post lots of answers.
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
9:04 AM
Hack Calvin's brain. Steal ideas.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
I've got the first one down solid. The second one, not so much... :P
Well, except I'm not at Calvin's level yet. :P
 
somebody
somebody
@Sp3000 good idea
what should a circuit-based esolang be called?
 
Anonymous
bitfuck Silicone
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
What name could be more obvious than Circuitlang? The most obvious and uncreative name must always be chosen.
 
somebody
somebody
@Mego no.
 
Anonymous
9:09 AM
The amount of people who confuse silicon and silicone is astounding. By naming your language Silicone, you get some easy SEO.
 
somebody
somebody
also, i need more emoticons for my emoticon IME
also, 2 ideas isn't enough
 
Sherlock9
Sherlock9
We should golf the design for the site somehow
 
somebody
somebody
?
@Sherlock9 yeah, i can do that
that's what my idea is
but it needs a name :(
 
Anonymous
CircuitBored
 
Sherlock9
Sherlock9
@somebody I edited it to reflect my idea that we should golf the design for our site
 
somebody
somebody
9:14 AM
@Sherlock9 we can't do that
the designers are designing it
but i can try making a minimal theme once i get the SOX stuff working
 
New Sandboxed Posts
New Sandboxed Posts
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

zyabin101Does the water ultimately reach the tank? tags: code-golf ascii-art Sandbox notes are in blockquotes, like this. In the ASCII art world, there is water, hash walls and letter mechanisms. You are in a room made up of hash walls (# signs): ####### # # # # # # # ### # # # ...

 
Quill
Quill
lol
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
#######
#     #
# ### #
# # # #
# ### #
#     #
#######
@zyabin101: ^ does that room have a hole?
 
zyabin101
zyabin101
@El'endiaStarman The entire room is an enclosed rectangular region, so no. I'll edit the sandboxed post.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
Oh, so you simply mean that there are no gaps in the outer wall.
 
Anonymous
9:49 AM
I really want to go back in time 3 months and punch myself in the face for writing code I knew would be incompatible with Python 3 when it's literally 0 effort to make it compatible
 
somebody
somebody
@Mego Solution: ask
for help
 
muru
muru
10:10 AM
I'm new to PPCG. Do I have to count the command invocation in codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/74240/31018 (does it count as 72 bytes or 79)?
 
somebody
somebody
@muru I don't think so.
 
muru
muru
I've been looking through the FAQ, but it's not very clear about this. :/
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
I don't golf in awk so unfortunately I'm not sure, but taking a look at some awk answers it seems like most people count the invocation
 
feersum
feersum
Why would you count the name of your language in the byte count? That's not part of the program.
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
Hmm there's also answers which don't count it, so this is interesting :P
 
feersum
feersum
10:17 AM
You could have it as a shell program which only calls awk if you wanted to, but that would be stupid.
 
muru
muru
@feersum the language is typically called AWK, and I'm using GNU's implementation which provides extra functionality like the length function used
 
feersum
feersum
It's OK if it only works in 1 interptreter.
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
@Dennis @MartinBüttner I'm so happy, I removed the writing in the sourcecode from the radiation softened quine, and I even surpassed the score of my cheating quine ( codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/73657/… )
@MartinBüttner Do you now accept it as a true quine? :P
 
muru
muru
@feersum works in nawk as well, but not mawk
Ah well, I'll ping Doorknob later to check.
 
somebody
somebody
@ThijsterHaar you dont need a space. also, i removed a char and it kinda works, but it's rotated 5 characters left
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
10:22 AM
You mean at the end?
 
feersum
feersum
I wonder why I never hear a sound for ping notifications anymore.
It's been broken for months.
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
Because that one is important :P
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
Yeah, the new one doesn't really work if I remove the first *
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
If any of the characters in the jumping logic get removed (except for the *), it jumps to 0,0
Meaning it will do < and then the ! left of it
The space at the end makes sure it doesn't skip the 8 at the end
(if the * gets removed, it first jumps somewhere else and then it jumps to 0,0)
 
somebody
somebody
@ThijsterHaar if a char is removed in the first quine, it's rotated 5 chars left
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
10:26 AM
Oh god
1 sec
This is the most annoying thing about ><>, one small mistake and the whole jump logic stops working...
It's even a bug I already fixed, but copied wrong
But I found the problem haha
And fixed it
 
somebody
somebody
basics of the circuit lang thing up (no working parser yet) here
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
10:41 AM
@ThijsterHaar Hmm the output loop looks like it could be shortened - I'm only guessing, so forgive me if I've misunderstood the code, but maybe ? instead of 0(?and {$:1- instead of using the register?
Sorry, {$1-:
 
somebody
somebody
11:22 AM
@Mego also, started on the checkers thing, but prolly not gonna finish this either
 
feersum
feersum
How about a programming language that simulates circuits with actual electronic components.
Sometimes there will be random noise that gets in your circuits and if you put too much current through a resistor it will fry.
 
orlp
orlp
@feersum you on linux?
 
feersum
feersum
Nope
 
orlp
orlp
:(
 
feersum
feersum
Why does this cause unhappiness?
 
somebody
somebody
11:26 AM
 
orlp
orlp
I wanted to make a joke
 
Sherlock9
Sherlock9
11:46 AM
I own, but rarely use Linux. Do you want to try the joke on me?
 
orlp
orlp
@Sherlock9 sure
 
LegionMammal978
LegionMammal978
Just joined puzzling.SE
Looked for open-ended questions
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A: Craft the longest Scrabble sentence

LegionMammal978n = 34 Extemporizing demythologizers demythologized overhomogenized, jackhammering azidothymidines; puzzlingly schizophrenic jazzmen diphthongizing hyperexcitement drizzlingly overemphasized jabberwocky jazziness, hypothesizing philosophizing jazzbos; quizzer psychochemicals hyperpolarized, c...

 
orlp
orlp
@Sherlock9 ack --bar
need to have ack installed
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
@Sp3000 Thanks for the tips. I think I'm going to let this code rest for now, perhaps I'll look back at it later, but I don't feel like re-positioning all the pointers again haha, especially without any competition in the challenge ;) I might try rewriting it in Golfish
 
somebody
somebody
how do you get full chat transcripts?
 
LegionMammal978
LegionMammal978
12:03 PM
@somebody You can't
 
Quill
Quill
@somebody I think @Geobits wrote a chat scraper
Or maybe he used Nathan Osman's
 
somebody
somebody
he either didn't publish to github or used nathan's
 
anOKsquirrel
anOKsquirrel
Soo we've graduated? sweet
2
 
undergroundmonorail
undergroundmonorail
well
we're going to graduate
 
anOKsquirrel
anOKsquirrel
but we don't have the beta tag either
 
undergroundmonorail
undergroundmonorail
12:15 PM
true
 
somebody
somebody
we've graduated
 
undergroundmonorail
undergroundmonorail
but that's all that's happened so far afaik
 
somebody
somebody
just no design for a while
mod elections haven't happened yet
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
@El'endiaStarman ಠ_ಠ. So. Much. ಠ_ಠ
 
somebody
somebody
@Geobits how did you scrape chat?
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
12:17 PM
carefully
 
somebody
somebody
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you're not Dennis
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
wait what!?
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
 
somebody
somebody
but my bad, it's usually Alex A.'s job
 
Quill
Quill
So I made something cool
Chat.SE in Terminal
lets you do multisite as well (mse, so, se)
 
 
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Geobits
Geobits
1:45 PM
@Quill If I'd found another, I definitely wouldn't have written one >_<
@somebody Wrote a little Java program that crawled through all the transcripts by grabbing the "prev day" and "time chunk" links at the top of the transcript pages. Saved them all, then ran through them with a hastily written parser.
@undergroundmonorail Veeeeeery carefully
 
Quill
Quill
@Geobits it's fairly easy thing to write, actually
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yea, it didn't take very long.
^ I think I like this tagline better
That way instead of just a warning that it will be destroyed, it's more of a challenge to try out.
Also, the image is public domain, so that's good news.
That font looks somewhat crap at that size though >_<
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
2:08 PM
nvm that failed.
 
Geobits
Geobits
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
My attempt at tracing it. :D The hands look really weird.
 
Geobits
Geobits
I like that look. The face maybe not as much, but the overall style is nice imo.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
IMO: I think that's a bad idea as an ad. It advertises competitiveness in the sandbox, which is not our focus (and we're not the only site with a sandbox) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Optimizer
Optimizer
@Geobits the actual image is much larger than that.. why is yurs smaller?
 
Geobits
Geobits
2:19 PM
It's ad-sized. The final thing is supposed to be 300x250.
 
Optimizer
Optimizer
ah ok
 
Geobits
Geobits
@mınxomaτ I see both points of view, but I like it enough to have people vote on it :)
The "not the only site" thing isn't an issue so much for this, though. It's a community ad, so would only be shown on PPCG. Not a network-wide one.
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
@Sp3000 Am I correct in thinking that the '.' in Golfish behaves completely different than the '.' in Fish when x,y is out of bounds?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
often times in KoTHs, we have players playing each other player exactly N times
what's a name for that tournament structure?
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Round robin?
That's where everyone plays everyone else once. Double-round robin would be twice.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
2:29 PM
I'm already using round robin :(
the difference is that round robin (at least in my code) allows for more than 2 player matchups, and doesn't require that every possible matchup be made
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Pool play? That's like what FIFA does for the World Cup.
Groups of 4 or 6 or so (out of the 32 or whatever total) each play round-robin style, then the top two (or whatever) advance to the next stage.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
nah, pool play doesn't have every player playing another player exactly N times
I may just come up with a name
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@NathanMerrill I think it's called a swiss.
 
Geobits
Geobits
I've always heard what you're describing as round robin. Maybe "N-layer round robin" or something?
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Swiss style attaches rankings, though, so you only play against those similarly-ranked.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
2:35 PM
@AquaTart wikipedia says that swiss doesn't require every player to play every other player
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
Oh right. Hm
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
If you're not using "round robin" for this style where everyone plays everyone, what are you using it for?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Geobits then perhaps I'm misnaming my first roundrobin?
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
ninjango'd
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yea, I think so. If not everyone plays everyone else, it's not really a round robin.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
2:37 PM
lets say there's a game with a max of 3 players, and 5 players have joined
what I'm currently calling round robin would arrange teams as follows:
[1,2,3], [4,5,1], [2,3,4], [5,1,2], [3,4,5]...
certain game parings aren't even possible (such as 1,3,4)
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
@ThijsterHaar Does it? I'm not sure
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
but other system would do something like:
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
(There's some subtle differences here and there, but I can't remember the smaller ones)
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
[1,2,3], [1,2,4], [1,2,5], [1,3,4]....
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yea, I think a system with all 5c3 matches would be better.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
2:39 PM
I'm supporting both systems
 
Geobits
Geobits
Ah
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
because a game that allows for 100 players, and 200 have joined...that's going to take a long time
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Is this a 1 v 1 v 1 free-for-all style?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@TimmyD my tournament class knows nothing about the game
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
I hate the new MSDN. The geolocation based translation is always crap and can't be turned off. (┛ಠ_ಠ)┛彡┻━┻
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
2:40 PM
besides the number of players it supports
 
Geobits
Geobits
I'm not sure what the first one is actually called. Maybe you could use the word "sampling" for it somehow, since you're drawing sample matchups out of the larger pool.
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
No, sorry, meaning that you said it would arrange teams as follows ... I wasn't sure if you meant that [1,2,3] were all on the same team, or if those were the three people playing that game.
 
Geobits
Geobits
"Sampling" clearly conveys the idea that not all matchups will be played (imo).
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
oooh, that's smart
its also technically random (as I shuffle the list of 5 every time I go through it)
thank you!
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Yeah, that's a good wording.
 
flawr
flawr
2:51 PM
 
Geobits
Geobits
^ also a good wording
Just bad spacing between lines o_O
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
No, the spacing is perfect, since it allows the camera flash to not obscure letters.
 
flawr
flawr
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
Oh, geez.
For this pi(x) question, it doesn't say you can't hardcode the list of primes, so... >.>
(16 minutes later...)
Still generating the list....
(1 hour later)
Still going... >.> This is going to take forever, isn't it?
So yeah. That's going to be running for a few days. 
		case 19351:
			System.out.println("2191")
			return;
		case 19352:
			System.out.println("2191")
Lot of ^ that.
Oh, crap.
I didn't put the semicolon.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
3:13 PM
ok, another question: when "sampling", what is the name of the set that you are sampling from?
ah I know
"population"
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
@NathanMerrill No, the population is the largest possible sample. The "sample" is what you are sampling.
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
@Sp3000 '!<05.; ' gets a timeout in Golfish, while the '.' jumps to the '<' (0,0) in Fish
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@VoteToClose isn't the sample the actual group you sample?
 
Geobits
Geobits
@VoteToClose I think that's what he was asking for; the name of the population.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
if I have a group of 5, and pick 3
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
3:16 PM
@NathanMerrill Oh, yeah, you're right. >.> I misunderstood.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
the 3 is the sample and 5 is the population
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
Yeah. :D I'm an idiot
I wonder if this pinned message will pass up "ok seriously stop abusing stars"... probably not, actually.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
how many does the stop abusing stars have?
also, I clearly remember messages with thousands of stars
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
Nov 12 '15 at 22:26, by Doorknob
okay seriously stop abusing stars
75.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
sheesh
well, I'll star the graduating one
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
3:20 PM
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Vote early, vote often.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yep. That's why I registered both myself and my dog before the primaries.
 
Thijs ter Haar
Thijs ter Haar
@Sp3000 Fish's '.' wraps the same way as the pointer movement. If you have 2 lines and try to jump to the 3rd, it jumps to the 1st. Golfish not doing this makes my jumplogic not work :(
 
Geobits
Geobits
It's sad to think that I have to explain that my last comment is a joke, but before some crazy person decides to scour the internet looking for proof of "voter fraud"... It was a joke.
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Speaking of voter fraud, did you see the Nevada caucuses? Rampant chaos for both the Dem's and Repub's.
Not to turn this into a political chat, but still ... jeez.
 
Geobits
Geobits
3:24 PM
Yea, I heard there were a lot of allegations. Dunno how true they are.
Go figure though. Vegas has been accused of corruption.
I mean, it's not like the city was built by the mob or anything.
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
I wish for voting to be compulsory here in America. I think it would clean up a lot of this sort of junk.
 
Geobits
Geobits
I'm not so sure. I think it has its good and bad points, but I can't see how you'd enforce it, for one.
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
<.< You saw nothing.
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
I mean, something like only half of the populace even votes in Presidential years.
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
Compulsory voting
Compulsory voting is a system in which electors are obliged to vote in elections or attend a polling place on voting day. If an eligible voter does not attend a polling place, or lodge a postal vote, he or she may be subject to a penalty such as fines or community service. As of August 2013, 22 countries, including 12 Latin American countries, have laws for compulsory voting and 11 of these 22 countries enforce these laws in practice. == History == Athenian democracy held that it was every citizen's duty to participate in decision making, but attendance at the assembly was voluntary. Sometimes...
Related.
 
Geobits
Geobits
3:28 PM
I think it would, if anything, just lead to more uninformed votes. I'm not sure that's better. The people that take the time to read seriously about candidates already vote, for the most part.
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
 
Geobits
Geobits
Then you end up skewed toward pure name recognition (even worse than currently).
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
That's true. Maybe I'm just biased by living in Minnesota, where we have an extremely engaged voter populace.
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
Did anyone click on Voteman? >.>
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yea... it just finished. Very 80s, maybe early 90s.
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
3:32 PM
kek
The Danish are amazing people.
(this was a commercial)
 
Geobits
Geobits
@TimmyD I know a lot of people I wish wouldn't vote ;)
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
"Vote early, vote often ... except not you."
3
 
Geobits
Geobits
@VoteToClose Yea, we get this instead >_> youtube.com/watch?v=B3aqajRVi3U
 
Zgarb
Zgarb
I'd expect that byte count from CJam or Pyth.
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
3:47 PM
Regex Golf! My best score is 69, see if you can do better!
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
He should join chat so we can laud him with stars
 
New Main Posts
New Main Posts
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Q: Find if a number contains a digit without ever using using its string representation

Farhan AnamThe Challenge: Find if a number contains a digit. The number and the digit are to be taken as input. Output must be a boolean value. But you are not allowed to use the string representation of the number at any time. Now don't count upon a char* either. You must devise a mathematical way to do i...

code-golf number
 
Pietu1998
Pietu1998
@Zgarb Plot twist: Ton Hospel is Dennis' sock puppet
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
4:02 PM
there are only two kinds of people in this world: Those that are Alex's sock puppets and those that are Dennis' sock puppets.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Isn't Alex also a Dennis sock though?
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
@NathanMerrill I'm both.
 
Geobits
Geobits
To anyone reading this: Stop. This entire site is nothing but sock puppets of you. It's not healthy. We've been trying to tell you for some time, but it hasn't worked yet. Find a therapist, please, for all our sakes.
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Please. We're concerned.
 
Geobits
Geobits
And people think the Fight Club guy is crazy. That's nothing compared to this.
 
Kevin W.
Kevin W.
4:13 PM
that reminds me of the twitch-chat copy paste that's like
"I like how he doesnt realize that all his viewers are me on different accounts. Dont believe me? watch me post this on my other account"
 
Geobits
Geobits
:D
 
Kevin W.
Kevin W.
It's great because it's sometimes upwards of 90% of the messages
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
That is brilliant
 
TimmyD
TimmyD
Hah.
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
4:33 PM
help I still haven't gotten python to work
 
Morgan Thrapp
Morgan Thrapp
@Cyoce Try feeding it more mice.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Alternatively, wait a while. They get sluggish for some time after eating mice.
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
@MorganThrapp it doesn't like mice
 
Morgan Thrapp
Morgan Thrapp
@Cyoce Yup, it's dead. You're gonna have to buy a new computer.
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
@MorganThrapp maybe I just have to feed my computer more mice?
 
Morgan Thrapp
Morgan Thrapp
4:42 PM
@Cyoce It's worth a shot.
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
shit
my computer's dead. I have to buy a new life ಥ_ಥ
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Cyoce You didn't import rodent first?
 
Morgan Thrapp
Morgan Thrapp
import life.
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
@Geobits how do I import rodent?
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
import rodent
 
Morgan Thrapp
Morgan Thrapp
4:45 PM
@Geobits from Euarchontoglires.Glires.Rodentia import Mice.
 
Geobits
Geobits
^ that works
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Or just include rodent.jsm
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
$ import rodent
-bash: import: command not found
 
Geobits
Geobits
No, in python.
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
oh
 
Geobits
Geobits
4:49 PM
I'm pretty sure Mathematica has a builtin for this, though, if you have that installed.
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
>>> import rodent
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named 'rodent'
heeeelp
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yea, that was my bad. import rodent only works in older versions. Go with Morgan's longer version for newer ones.
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Anyone here like regex golf?
 
Cyoce
Cyoce
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
I quit
@Cyoce yep, your python is devoid of all life
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
4:55 PM
Did you do import Noah.Ark? You need that first.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Odd fact of the day: About forty percent of all mammal species are rodents.
 
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