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Or I might be in full USA flag garb?
 
while travelling in the US, I had convinced a high school geography teacher that, living in Vancouver, I lived in igloos, had sled dogs, I had to stick my snowshoes upright at the end of the runway for the bush pilot knew where the end of the runway was
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@Matthew the underground stations in london drove me crazy the first few times I was there.
 
if i go to the uk i will bring offerings of loose-leaf tea
 
@AviD You still on Windows Phone? Upgraded to 10 yet?
 
4:01 PM
I had to rent special lockers when I got to Seattle to store my furs and then buy "american" clothes
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@AviD They drive me crazy too. I don't live in London :-)
 
@schroeder Dude, I would believe that.
 
he started taking notes so he could share with his class
 
@schroeder you are such a troll
i love it
 
@Iszi actually not yet, should
 
4:02 PM
@Ohnana We have tea already! We used to own India! Well, sort of... I don't think it was a really good thing for us to do...
 
@Matthew lol
 
@Ohnana So uh... looks like we have a spy here.
 
@Matthew is showing the soles of your shoes a social faux pas?
 
Adi
@Ohnana That's gonna be a fun read tonight
 
@MarkBuffalo full disclosure, i'm actually a licensed ham radio operator
 
4:03 PM
@AviD Ah, well I was hoping you could help me find Bing Vision.
 
so these guys are like watching kindergarteners
 
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Q: Where's Bing Vision in Windows Phone 10?

IsziI know Windows Phone 8.1 moved Bing Vision from being a Cortana feature, to being a Camera Lens. However, I've just upgraded to a Lumia 950 (with Windows Phone 10) and I cannot find Bing Vision anywhere. I double-checked Cortana and don't see anything there. I checked the Camera app, and found t...

 
@Ohnana Do you HAM out with your ... never mind
 
@Iszi is it not in the camera anymore?
 
@Ohnana What do you think of those folks?
 
4:04 PM
@AviD On my Lumia 950, no Lenses came pre-installed. And I can't find it in the Store.
 
@MarkBuffalo they'd be entertaining if they weren't so hell bent on killing people and looking tough with their guns
 
I knew a member of some militia called Hutaree or something
He kinda disappeared after talking about starting his own currency or whatever
 
lmao
 
I don't know what happened to him
lol
 
woo @Ohnana has a picture now
 
4:05 PM
@Iszi there is no such thing in Windows 10, get a third party app
 
He was into unix, guns, networking, radios, and... starting currencies.
 
@Iszi ah. and you dont see it as a hidden option in cortana
 
I am not signing up to a new SE to provide you the answer
 
@kalina In some countries, yes. not in the UK
 
@AviD Nope. And it looks like @kalina is probably right. windowscentral.com/how-to-scan-qr-codes-windows-10
 
4:06 PM
@Ohnana Yeah, I used to troll them big time.
 
@MarkBuffalo OMG IS THAT SATOSHI
 
It used to be directly in Bing. Then Cortana replaced Bing, and it moved to being a Lens in Camera. Now, Microsoft has deprecated the app.
 
@AviD Noes, he had a beard. A unix beard
 
@Iszi whyyyyy
 
@AviD Plus it was an actual physical currency... I think he even had a silver coin ready to go... with emblems and everything
 
4:07 PM
stop learning stupids from android and apple, Microsoft!! you're better than them!
 
and now I will sit here, and wait for a 776 byte file to copy
been waiting 10 minutes
 
@AviD Heh. That reminds me. Another thing that came with WP10: Skype messaging via the Messaging app. i.e.: Someone at Microsoft said "Hey, let's try this iMessage thing."
 
it's only another decade or so before Skype is renamed to MSN Messenger
 
@kalina I hope that, by then, there will be a replacement
I've been thinking of writing an encrypted chat app with a buddy list
 
@Iszi actually in WP7 (or progably 7.5) skype was already part of messaging. In 8 they "learned" from Android and split it out, then Apple put iMessaging in.
@MarkBuffalo dont do it
you'll get it wrong
 
4:10 PM
@AviD Doubt I will
I won't "roll my own" encryption
 
thats not all though
 
@MarkBuffalo you could always work on an existing project
help tons of people
 
@Ohnana Existing projects are not that fun
And you don't learn much more than working with other people's code
 
look at the mistakes of others - e.g. telegram, the crypto itself wasnt the problem, but how it was used
 
@AviD I also won't market it as an encrypted chat client in case anything goes wrong ;)
I just want to create this system. I already have a large portion already finished
 
4:12 PM
heh
 
the penis wasn't the problem, but how it was used
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wut
 
the cake wasn't the problem, but how it was used
 
I enjoy writing code... and I have too many unfinished projects. Time to start finishing stuff with my spare time
 
the tigger wasn't the problem, but how it was used
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4:12 PM
@AviD Yeah, and you can learn from them.
 
@kalina pls, the tigger is always the problem
 
@kalina Now @Simon has hope.
 
yup, this chat is getting properly weird again
 
@kalina Whose penis? I don't think Tigger has one in the books I've seen
 
most penises I've encountered
were attached to proper bellends
the chat wasn't the problem, but how it was used
 
4:21 PM
lmfao
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A: Is it possible to hack a single computer without injecting a payload or a virus?

GdDIt's entirely possible to hack a system without malware, you can do this by taking advantage of vulnerabilities in applications/OSs or poor configurations. Some great examples (some historic) are: Default passwords: there are still routers on the internet with the default password cisco (or no ...

?
 
Is using a default password actually "hacking"?
 
Isn't a buffer overflow only exploitable by injecting a payload?
If input isn't "sanitized", SQL injection just that... INJECTING A PAYLOAD?
 
typing SQL = injecting a payload?
really???
 
@kalina Using one for a system you're setting up: no. That's being a plonker. Using one for attacking someone else: yes. Otherwise we can't escalate to SQL injection being an "unprecedented attack against our systems", as TalkTalk claimed...
 
@kalina of course it is
 
4:26 PM
so every former sql injection based attack didn't set a precedent for it being a thing that happens?
 
@kalina well if the bellend wasn't attached to the penis, that would be quite unfortunate and painful
 
really?
@Ohnana oh ffs
 
@AviD you already posted this and i already told you to GTFO
@kalina :DDDDDD
to be fair, i had to google what a bellend was
 
@Ohnana heh
is funny
shuddup
 
if the bellend wasn't attached in the manner I meant that's basically a sex toy
 
4:27 PM
@kalina Not according to the former CSO of TalkTalk, a major UK ISP...
@Ohnana Did you find that it's the dangly bit at the top of a bell? If so, we might have to correct that...
 
doesn't the UK only have two "major" ISPs and the rest are just rebrands of one of them?
 
@Matthew found the urban dictionary
 
How is "Ping of Death" going to give you access to a machine?
That answer gave me cancer
 
@MarkBuffalo DoS is technically a hack
 
@kalina Not really... We have 2 major backbone providers (BT and Virgin Media), but BT offer exchange level peering for other ISPs, which most ISPs do use
 
4:30 PM
it's not RCE but it's still hilarious
 
@Ohnana In the question, the OP wants to know what will allow people to connect to a machine and hack it without injecting a payload
 
@MarkBuffalo that's oddly specific
a more general answer isn't the worst thing
 
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Q: Is it possible to hack a single computer without injecting a payload or a virus?

cccaI know the ways to hack a computer or a mobile phone by injecting payload using some exploits with metasploit. We can inject a exe, or we can use pdf file, or docx file as I know. I wonder the possible attack types for any operating systems without injecting any payload, to just directly connec...

 
@Matthew so BT own the entire network from the exchange onwards and thus every other ISP is just BT rebranded
 
@MarkBuffalo i saw it
 
4:33 PM
I think I am confused about this post
In particular, the answers
 
yeah it's getting downvotes for a reason
 
Remote code execution requires injecting a payload...
The payload being the remote code
 
oh, we weren't downvoting it?
 
@kalina Not quite. BT is obliged to provide connectivity everywhere, but other providers tend to do their own network backhaul for major exchanges (e.g. city centre areas). There are some BT owned ISPs too, which are literally rebranded BT... Essentially, it's a mess
 
No, I think it's a decent question. Some of the answers make me wonder if I am misusing terms, or if they are misunderstanding OP
 
4:35 PM
@Matthew so are you telling me that when <casual ISP> suffers an infrastructure issue they do not escalate it to the BT Openworld group?
 
OMG SHE USED THE REAL WEEN WORD
TO THE FLEGS!
 
@kalina Depends where they experience it... In my experience, most issues are BT's fault, and down to some bugger unplugging a cable in the local exchage!
 
that's like saying BT own the infrastructure
 
@kalina I have seen issues where individual ISP internal networks have failed though. It's not all 100% clear cut
Oh, and there is Hull
 
Hull?
 
4:41 PM
Yeah. They don't use BT. They use Kingston Communications. Essentially, someone cocked up when setting up a national telecoms provider, and missed out the bit that said "and Hull"
 
@Matthew and TalkTalk
My ISP backhauls over either BT or TalkTalk
 
TalkTalk is the dumbest name for a company
 
@Matthew easy mistake to make
 
my gosh you're such a fogey I wish you'd keep up
this entire conversation was started because of TalkTalk
 
like, i thought it was fake when the breach notifications came in
 
4:44 PM
You're a breach notification.
 
@Ohnana It's better than EE
 
@Matthew what does that stand for?
 
@Simon stop being mean
everything everywhere
 
@Ohnana Nothing. The name of the company is EE
 
sorry, talk talk is dumber :)
 
4:45 PM
Although EE is now part of BT
Presumably BeeTee or something...
 
BTEE
sounds like a movie sound effect
 
Helo
thugga thugga thugga
 
@Matthew I thought it stood for "Everything Everywhere"
which is pretty much as Stupid as TalkTalk
 
@RоryMcCune TalkTalk, the thing that got hacked by the thing?
 
@MarkBuffalo they've been pwned several times
 
4:53 PM
@RоryMcCune Seems like they have no idea what they're doing dot jay peg.
 
@RоryMcCune Not since September 2013: data.companieshouse.gov.uk/doc/company/02382161
 
@Matthew lolz so they went from a lame name which at least meant something, to an acronym for that name which means, on it's own, nothing
almost as good as when Scottish Telecom rebranded as "Thus"
 
@Matthew been watching Parliament this morning. Always a good time :)
 
@RоryMcCune Well, I think it's common for phone providers. BT used to be "British Telecom"
And EE used to be One2One, before it was T-Mobile, before it was Everything Everywhere, but after it was Mercury Telecommunications
 
5:08 PM
@kalina pls
 
5:50 PM
@Simon srs
 
@kalina srsface?
also shouldn't you be asleep by now?
 
yes, I would love to be asleep
 
you should do that then
 
@kalina Prions giving you trouble?
 
instead I am watching clip shows on youtube of big bang theory
 
5:54 PM
L:<>
 
@kalina good call, community is also good for that
 
drifting...
I'm sure over the course of my intended period of sleep I get about half of that sleep in between being awake
 
let me try to bore you to death so you fall asleep
@kalina Welcome to... pony facts!
 
is that a euphemism
is that a euphemism
 
Did you know that ponies are real?
N...n... no.
:O
 
5:57 PM
this keyboard is so nice to type on in bed
 
Is that a euphemism?
 
I like bed
 
Is that a euphemism?
 
@kalina wait I know of a super easy way for you to get bored and drift off to sleep... hey @Simon how's your music writing going?
 
collapses into a smoldering heap of sleep
dang, norway
@AviD You awake?
 
6:16 PM
So I hear this is the place where you don't do HW/SW support
 
@Zachiel Exactly. We are very good here at not providing HW/SW support.
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Is there a place where I can at least understand if the filecrypting attack on my company might have been my fault or not?
Not knowing is killing me
 
@Zachiel We don't really do that here... but if you let me ask questions, I can take a crack at it.
 
@Zachiel It is probably your fault, but, more importantly, your colleagues won't be able to prove it.
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@ThomasPornin Ouch, rofl
@Zachiel When you say filecrypting, do you mean your company was attacked by something that encrypted files?
 
6:18 PM
Lol
 
@RоryMcCune I'm too cool to be doing that.
 
@MarkBuffalo a shared folder on the server we use to share files. Only mine was affected. It is not backupped
 
@Zachiel did you click on FREEPORN.PDF.MSI.EXE
be honest now :)
 
The company lost nothing
 
@Zachiel ... for now !
 
6:19 PM
@Zachiel Only your file was infected?
 
@ThomasPornin You're gonna make the man super paranoid.
 
I maybe browsed some sites like "remove watermark adobe stock" and clicked nothing on them
 
But regarding this "shared file," do you have write-access to the folder?
 
@MarkBuffalo Everyone in the company has
But why just the one with my name?
 
What kind of file was your file?
doc? pdf?
What OTHER file types exist in that folder?
 
6:20 PM
docx, txt, xlsx
 
@Zachiel does your username begin with a "A"
 
It is kind of weird for a ransomware to stop at one file. Normally, that kind of malware is a lot more comprehensive in its approach.
 
I have no idea about the pdfs in the subfolders and some exe files that my company makes
No my username is not at the top/bottom of the list. In the middle, I'd say
 
@Zachiel Any files on your machine infected as well?
Or anyone else's machines?
 
not on my documents folder, I have no ideas about other machines but the IT guy said "it's just your folder or so it seems"
the files had the .micro extension
 
6:22 PM
If a machine is infected and, right now, is still up and running and connected to the network, then you are doing something real wrong.
 
Yeah, and I'm really worried that only one file was changed...
 
I had my machine disconnected and the folder with all the shared folders went down (IT guy's doing, I bet)
 
Yeah, that's a smart move, but it may not necessarily be your fault
 
not just one, 4-5 files and god knows how many in the subfolders which I didn't check
 
Anyone with write access to that folder could've done it. ANYONE
These types of malware generally go after everything they can find
 
6:24 PM
@MarkBuffalo Including colonel Mustard, with the candlestick !
 
@ThomasPornin In the kitchen!
 
@MarkBuffalo I also received a mail from the IT guy giving me a PW to the company site. He says he sent that to me but it was weird. Like, the site was www.something.com and the link was to some long string of numbers that ultimately redirected to admin.something.com
 
@Zachiel Did you confirm he sent this to you?
He might be the one infected, lol
Hackers love going after sys admins
They are the best targets
 
that's what I fear
 
And you clicked that link?
 
6:26 PM
Yes I did, after checking that he sent me a mail
 
Now you see the danger of phishing attacks. If one company machine is compromised, it can quickly spread.
You can easily pretend to be someone else
And emails coming from inside the corporate network seem legitimate, right? Actually, I do not even open attachments or visit links without confirming with the person who sent it
 
He did send the file toi me but he probably didn't send me the mail I actually received
 
His computer might've sent it. ;)
 
Hello, hello, can you copy me? He did send that mail. Which I guess got intercepted and the link was changed before I received it
I suppose this is possible to do
If I was an expert at this I'd probably have already asked a question on the main site.
 
Sorry, I'm at work
so I'm skimming some of what you say
Tabbing between x, y, z
 
6:34 PM
Sorry if that sounded rude. I guess it did.
 
It's fine, you got my attention, haha
How do you know he personally sent it?
 
he said so
unless he's trying to cover the vulnerability
but hey, he looked sincere
now I have no idea if improvisational theatre is part of your training :p
 
Yeah, I don't think an IT guy would do that on purpose then
Bottom line is, without actual access to your network + machines, there is little I can do to help you except guess.
 
Of course. I didn't really expect an answer, just a scope of possibilities
It's way more probable, if I really am the one who unleasched that algorythm, that I did it by clicking a legit mail than for browsing to a site I shouldn't have reason to from the google search.
 
Possibilities are endless. If you wanted to equip your , you could assume your IT guy intentionally infected you to get you in trouble. :p
I sincerely doubt such a thing would happen... but going over endless possibilities like that will drive you bonkers.
Instead, the best thing to do is examine the evidence... and make connections. Jumping to conclusions gets nowhere
 
7:14 PM
Ooh, I smell drama.
 
@JeffFerland I just went over the website for Vault, and I've been reading about it. Seems like a really good solution
 
@MarkBuffalo I especially love the ephemeral credential plugin for AWS.
 
7:35 PM
Hm. Something I've learned while setting up Hello on my new phone: My phone sure is looking up my nose a lot of the time.
 
@Iszi NSA nosecam
Clearly the NSA is collecting data on your nostrils so they can use it to generate random numbers
 
@MarkBuffalo Maybe they're hoping to catch a glimpse of your brain?
 
@Iszi That's impossible. I don't have one. I am a fully-automated tinfoil machine.
 
 
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9:10 PM
@ThomasPornin Yeah that would be my guess, but at least some part of me wants to believe it was done intentionally.
 
@DavidFreitag I think that using socat in SSL server role does not happen often.
It still highlights a shortcoming of the SSL protocol, which is that with DHE cipher suites, the server sends the modulus and generator but NOT the subgroup order.
 
@ThomasPornin Yeah socat connected as an external server probably doesn't happen very often either.
 
socat as a client is more common, but then it is unaffected by that issue.
I am using socat as a client right now
 
So the attack surface is pretty much limited to other boxes on a local network
 
9:16 PM
@Ohnana Well luckily that small part of me is thoroughly covered in tin foil.
 
@DavidFreitag At least, this example shows the cryptographic competence of the socat developers, and thus highlights how much you want socat to be part of any cryptographic solution used in production.
(In my case I only tunnel SSH traffic, so that's OK if socat does anything stupid.)
 
@ThomasPornin Is there any way to force it to use a custom key via some config?
 
@ThomasPornin Why do you need to know the subgroup order, out of interest?
 
@DavidFreitag From the source code, it seems that you can specify your own DH parameters with the "dh" option; alternatively, use the "ciphers" option to remove DHE cipher suites, and use only ECDHE cipher suites.
@diagprov To know how long the DH private keys should be.
 
@ThomasPornin So at the very least there is a workaround while we wait for a possible patch from the devs
 
9:20 PM
@DavidFreitag The devs have patched, and that worries me a bit: they just generated new DH parameters instead of using existing, well-vetted parameters. This means that they did not completely understood.
@diagprov Knowing the subgroup order allows the client to safely select a shorter private exponent, for improved performance.
If you know that the subgroup order is q then you do not need to generate a private exponent longer than q.
If you known that the subgroup order is prime, then you do not need to generate a private exponent longer than about 256 bits.
The current protocol conveys neither q nor the primality of q. That's the problem.
 
@ThomasPornin You would think someone would step in and thump them over the head with some sense...
 
My hypothesis on the socat blunder is that whoever submitted the modulus just used a random sequence of bytes, and since it worked (connection was established) he did not bother understanding it any further.
If the protocol required also the subgroup order then this would have stood a greater chance to prevent that kind of sloppiness.
 
@ThomasPornin wtf?!
how could you think that was acceptable for a project like open SSL
 
@Ohnana It's not a problem with OpenSSL, but simply an issue with how socat uses OpenSSL
 
that makes more sense
 
9:31 PM
@ThomasPornin If the subgroup order isn't prime, don't you just keep breaking it into smaller prime subgroups and eventually get hit in the face by Pohlig–Hellman? So what I'm asking is, are you saying the order of the subgroup should be sent so the client can check it is prime?
 
also that's a super duper low priority project to backdoor
 
@tylerl wtf
 
@Ohnana Crypto implementation is always fun. At some place I saw code where someone had filled in the pesky field called "IV" with "0x1 0x2 0x3 0x4...". Statically.
 
IVs are important, right?
;)
 
9:33 PM
@Ohnana It's not about backdooring, but about sniffing. Since they used a non-prime parameter it makes the SSL key trivially recoverable
 
again, that seems like a really silly thing to sniff
 
Which effectively makes using SSL with socat useless
> It irks me that in security advisories that fix a possible backdoor—like here—sometimes no root cause analysis is done or communicated to the public. Who chose this parameter? Who wrote the code? Who committed it? So I did a little sleuthing...
Here is the commit introducing the non-prime parameter (committed by Gerhard Rieger who is the same socat developer who fixed the issue today): http://repo.or.cz/socat.git/commitdiff/281d1bd6515c2f0f8984f...
The commit message reads: "Socat did not work in FIPS mode because 1024 instead of 512 bit DH prime is required. Thanks to Zhigang Wang for re
 
@diagprov If the subgroup order q is not prime, but the biggest prime divisor of q is sufficiently large (say, 200 bits or more), then selecting the exponent in the whole 1.._q_-1 range is sufficient for security.
 
@DavidFreitag laziness. next question
 
@ThomasPornin Ok I see that makes sense, thanks.
 
9:35 PM
@DavidFreitag Courtesy of news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11014175
@Ohnana But the fact that he is an Oracle employee is so very funny
 
@Ohnana Well I suppose it did say "initialization vector" and I suppose it was initialized.
 
Since Java, which is an Oracle product now, is well known as being horrifically insecure
 
@diagprov yes it was. move on to the fun parts! shit's initialized
 
@Ohnana 0x0000 0xDEADBEEF counts as initialized, right?
> ...so instead of allowing anyone on one of the hosts log in, you're
going to allow anyone with access to the network to create a VM without
any kind of authentication?

From a security perspective, that doesn't really sound like an
improvement...
LOL
 
eeeehhhh
 
9:47 PM
> socat -ly OPENSSL-LISTEN:8005,reuseaddr,fork,key=/etc/ovs-agent/cert/key.pem,cert=/etc/ovs‌​-agent/cert/certificate.pem,verify=0 EXEC:"xl migrate-receive" >/dev/null 2>&1 </dev/null &
@Ohnana of you'll love this
When using Xen and socat:
> Note that if host B allows incoming migrations from host A, then host
B is trusting host A completely. This is because the migration data
contains not just the guest's state (which is of course encapsulated
inside the Xen VM security boundary), but also the VM configuration.
The VM configuration specifies the mapping between guest resources and
host resources.

So host B trusts host A to specify the correct set of host B's own
resources to expose to the guest VM. If host A is malicious it can
 
awkward
 
Adi
:|
We can't comment on bad edits unless they "cause harm"?
 
@Adi yeah - it's annoying
 
@Adi @schroeder I wonder if there's a feature request for that
 
I thought they said SO wasn't a social network!
 
9:59 PM
Welp it's pouring out
 
Adi
@RoryA @schroeder @JeffF Speaking of annoying stuff. It's time for the biannual reminder about these. Could you guys ping the SE people? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/130359/… meta.stackexchange.com/questions/207406/…
@diagprov Things evolve, things change, and people need to make money.
 
@Adi I prefer they do this instead of infesting the site with ads
 
what does the team functionality do?
 
Adi
@DavidFreitag Yep
4 mins ago, by diagprov
I thought they said SO wasn't a social network!
Basically, what he said
 
We should create a team, it will be totally Sec.SE
 
10:05 PM
@Adi i do not understand that explanation
hence my question
 
Adi
@Ohnana It's a social network
You create a group, and you socialize with the members of the group
Post shit, comment under shit, etc.
 
that's it?
 
@Ohnana Suppose you could ask?
Moderator meagar created a chatroom for Teams testing if anyone wishes for such a thing. — Shog9 ♦ Nov 9 '15 at 19:38
 
@DavidFreitag not really a tester, but thanks anyway :)
 
@Ohnana Well presumably there will be someone in there with an explanation. You could also track down Shog
 
10:08 PM
lol the starred post in that chat is entertainingly relevant
 
@Ohnana Oh?
 
in Stack Overflow Teams on Stack Overflow Chat, Nov 9 '15 at 18:44, by meagar
I'm still very unclear on what I can actually do with teams. Are we so early in the beta that there is literally no features implemented except the basic creation of teams?
check that date
 
@Ohnana lol
 
10:51 PM
@Ohnana
:P
 
@MarkBuffalo I knew a kid who bought 500 chinese smoke detectors to make a home-made nuclear reactor
Pretty sure he can't have kids
 
@MarkBuffalo haha
 
@DavidFreitag Uh, do we both know of this same person?
DAMMIT, NOW I AM ON ANOTHER LIST
 
@MarkBuffalo I don't think so...? I went to high school with him
His parents found all the smoke detectors and they called the cops and told them they think their son is making a bomb. The cops called in the FBI who called in a huuuuuuuge hazmat team
 
Maybe I heard of him. Did the government come in and seize all his crap?
LMAO
I REMEMBER THIS
 
10:57 PM
The radiation in their shed was the equivalent of 1500 x-rays per hour or something nuts like that
 
I'm also fairly certain he's sterile because of that
 
David Hahn?
 
@MarkBuffalo Uhh... no. I was 2 in 1994.
 
Oh, I thought he might've been a little special and stayed back.
 
10:59 PM
My friend's name was Brian
 
I remember reading this from somewhere
 
@MarkBuffalo ... for fifteen years?
 

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