The Whiteboard

Jimmy Hoffa

9:00 PM

@GlenH7 I just don't care enough to put up with some a vendor spiel for a franchise I never bothered with

user41796

fair 'nuff

user41796

"Down in front already!"

Jimmy Hoffa

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well now I just feel dumb

that's bloody easy

Ixrec

neat, I got the Batman hat

user41796

@Ixrec - thanks for asking the follow-up MPSE question regarding the experiment

Ixrec

9:04 PM

I'm glad it seems I'm not the only one who felt that way

user41796

There does seem to be a serious disconnect with what the regular users of the community are here for and perhaps what SE expects

Ixrec

and we even got an answer from Jon about it

Just a quick note: we don't have any particular end game here. The experiment was something Shog mentioned and I took up the baton. If I had one goal that might not be obvious from what I already wrote, it would be to encourage self-examination. So I'm grateful for this question. I really don't have any answers, however. — Jon Ericson ♦ 1 hour ago

user41796

Yeah, that further reinforced my belief that he started up this experiment in good faith

Ixrec

I'm actually feeling a lot better about the situation today just because we finally got that comment from him

a straight, honest answer helps so much

user41796

I didn't think we're at any existential crisis point, but I am disappointed in the degree of disconnect regarding the site

Ixrec

9:08 PM

yeah, I was worried about that but I didn't think we were actually there

the disconnect disappointment has pretty much been a constant for the past month or so

user41796

Part of me feels it's a bit hypocritical of SE to say "loosen up" when it was SE that mandated the site's scope needed to pull a 180. And I dislike pointing to the remaining NPR crowd as a means of saying "look, some of the community want that subjectivity."

Ixrec

I have been tempted to invoke those exact arguments and consciously chose to avoid them for the time being

user41796

I can empathize with that decision.

user41796

I really don't like calling out names in cases like that, but you don't really have any other choice.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ixrec I was right there with you. Frankly I don't find his comment particularly encouraging. Sounds like a first-warning a child gets from a teacher "You're not in trouble, I would just encourage you to do some frank self examination"

user41796

9:11 PM

> So-and-so wants those types of questions because so-and-so sees absolutely nothing wrong with the NPR type questions.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Nah, that's not at all how I read it

Jimmy Hoffa

I was hoping the response would be a bit more jovial - as for self examination, the whole thing was a practice in him examining us.

user41796

Otherwise he wouldn't have said "I really don't have any answers, however."

Ixrec

in all fairness, it did prompt more self-examination than usual

user41796

We are a bit of a black sheep from an SE perspective

Jimmy Hoffa

9:12 PM

> P.SE: Really? I... I have good content on. I, also...
> Jon: Well, okay. Having good content is the minimum, okay?
> P.SE: Okay.
> Jon: Now, you know it's up to you whether or not you want to just do the bare minimum. Or... well, like SO, for example, has thirty seven billion open questions. And a terrific traffic quotient.

user41796

The S:N ratio is crazy high; we have an exceptionally active community; we don't tolerate crap that is perfectly normal for other sites.

user55340

The thing that is worrisome for many sites is that it is depending on a rather small group to do much of the moderation for the site. The first part of that is the "this is a small group" - when one of us takes a vacation the queue has a notable blip.

user41796

@MichaelT Most definitely this

user55340

We also have difficulty using the tools as they are metered to properly guide new users - either by closing, duplicate, or migrating the questions when necessary.

Ixrec

I still feel a bit guilty for letting my close vote queue get so high

user55340

9:14 PM

Having a question remain open for too long is counter productive when it really should be closed.

Ixrec

lately I've wanted a way to filter the review queues by how recent the question is

user55340

@Ixrec 10k tools, close tab, recent votes, 1 day.

Ixrec

there's probably not much point closing a question from 2 years ago with zero activity on it, unless we suspect it'll become a broken window

@MichaelT wow, why didn't I think of that

wait, no, that's close votes cast today, isn't it? not close votes on questions asked today

user55340

Or 10k tools, stats tab, most negatively scored.

user55340

@Ixrec the majority of the votes are on today's questions.

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