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@Martijn I wrote in the meta post that "closed source" has connotations of excluding source visible but non-free/open code, whereas "proprietary code" wouldn't, but the research you were doing makes me wonder how universal that connotation is
01:39
@curiousdannii @Martijn i.e. The smart people... How do you guys understand the new licensing model here?
02:03
@Zizouz212 Like @ArtOfCode I'm concerned. I think opt-in attribution is a major problem. But I can appreciate the general desire to make it easier to use code on the network
I think the best option may be to write a new license which does require attribution, but that attribution only needs to take the form of a single url to a post.
:)
Am I somewhat right when I say this?
@samthebrand I know I'm somewhat engaging in the duel you weren't hoping for (surprise! I'm another OS moderator) but the way I'm seeing this MIT + exception business is that we're putting this into the public domain. You're letting anyone take it, use it without a proper license file, and at their discretion. The only thing that we preserve is our moral rights, which in many jurisdictions, is required and irrevocable by law. The problem with this attribution framework is that there may be no communication, and people will be negligent in their due diligence to attribute code 'at request.' — Zizouz212 51 secs ago
Yeah that sounds right
Alright :)
Hopefully when this is all settled down they will also fix up their stupid "attribution required" footer link
I wish I could get every user on this site to write an answer to that question about how horrible it is xD
02:11
Ugh, also I just noticed that they're mixing up licenses and terms of service
That's true as well... -_-
I know that that is problematic, but I'm not sure I could write an answering explain exactly how
I'm sort of trying to draft one, but I don't even know where to start without making it sound like a rant
02:40
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A: The MIT License – Clarity on Using Code on Stack Overflow and on the Stack Exchange Network

curiousdanniiA few thoughts: 1. Don't pretend this is the MIT license Don't pretend you're using the MIT license when you're not. If you need a unique license for a unique situation then just use a unique license. While crayon licenses in general are a problem, I think that this the Stack Exchange network i...

Have a +1
Good news: Site stats are rising for the good :)
Ah, never mind. Not that much
 
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06:21
@Zizouz212 Is this obsolete or active?
@curiousdannii I like your answer, by the way I want to propose "Free & Open source" should I post new answer or edit yours?
06:43
@Pandya It's not really active, we're waiting on an answer for meta.opensource.stackexchange.com/q/624/190
@Pandya That's already been suggested meta.opensource.stackexchange.com/a/516/190
07:02
@curiousdannii then can we close both this and that?
oh! I posted this, should I delete?
@Pandya Heh, well they've both been closed and reopened...
 
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09:48
@curiousdannii OK. thanks I've posted at recent discussion:
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A: More site name brainstorming - Part III

PandyaFree/Libre & Open Source "Free/Libre" gives clear idea that we are talking about free as in speech or freedom "Open source" is about production and development model. Things to note: When above terms areapplied to software, It becomes Free/Libre Software and Open source Software. This commu...

@ArtOfCode what do you think about the suggestion of "Free/Libre & Open"?
@Pandya I'd prefer the option with a comma.
@ArtOfCode What "Free" says/indicates (separately) in that case?
@Pandya There's not much difference. I think a comma works better than a slash in a site name, though.
The slash (/), also known as a stroke and by the technical term solidus, is a sign used as a punctuation mark and for various other purposes. It is often called a forward slash, a retronym used to distinguish it from the backslash (\). It has many other names. == HistoryEdit == The slash goes back to the days of ancient Rome. In the early modern period, in Fraktur script, which was widespread through Europe in the Middle Ages, one slash (/) represented a comma, while two slashes (//) represented a dash. In Western orthography, the two slashes initially evolved into a double oblique hyphen (⸗),...
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The comma could indicate that those adjectives are unrelated.

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