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9:01 PM
It's crazy that these math profs have stacks and stacks of books.
The engineering ones have CRC and Abramowitz-Stegun :P
 
So anyway what was I doing before this wormhole thing
 
Ricci scalar
Godel
 
Oh right, the scalar field in the geodesic CTC spacetime
Which brought me back to scalar field in the wormhole spacetime
Which brings me back to Math SE
 
but aren't wormholes woo?
 
woo
 
@0celo7 : I'd rather not Skype until we know each other better. But if you want to talk to me offline you can email me: myname at btconnect dot com.
 
^the problem
IIRC that's about all the book says about real values of $q$
I should give it another read mb
Before asking
 
@JohnDuffield Email is an asynchronous communication protocol.
 
I don't even know what "stable" means in this context
 
@JohnDuffield I don't think we can have a real discussion without literally talking.
 
@Slereah That's not about numerics and the stability of some algorithim, is it?
 
"is too well known to require any introduction"
Here's another way to not write a proof
 
@Slereah lol, you have a talent for finding papers like that
 
"In the present discussion these are to be taken real but are to be numerically unrestricted except that at least one is to be large."
Neat
Hm, what was even $q$ and $a$ in my paper
ah yes
$q = \frac{b}{4}(\omega^2 - m^2)$
$a = p^2 - \frac{b}{2}(\omega^2 - m^2)$
 
@ACuriousMind : no, charge doesn't run. Charge is conserved. I know the NIST page says the effective charge varies, but the effect of the charge varies. The charge doesn't. Remember what anna v said: virtual particles only exist in the mathematics of the model.
 
9:17 PM
Hm
 
@0celo7 : "Looks like another thing I'm right about that you know who isn't". Don't count on it.
 
Apparently there is no general solution of the Mathieu equation
"The equation obviously possesses a solution which for large real values of the variable becomes exponentially infinite, i.e., a so called unstable solution."
Hm
Sounds bad
 
aww cute snek
 
$q$ and $a$ can be pretty arbitrary in my case
Although you always have $a = n - 2q$ for some integer $n$
Might be helpful
But the integer can be arbitrary too
Functions blowing up sounds bad
 
@0celo7 : "but aren't wormholes woo?" Yes. Because they permit time travel. And time travel is woo. It's easy to understand why when you look into it. See for example this answer to is time an illusion? The answer is no, but it isn't something you can travel through. Sadly however, people just love their woo. They have a habit of clinging to woo like a baby to a teat.
 
9:25 PM
interesting analogy
 
Some of us still love teats! Teats and woo for days!
 
@Slereah Depends, what does the function signify?
 
@JohnDuffield so you think time travel isn't possible?
 
that's nice @0celo7
 
@ACuriousMind Klein Gordon function
Also I am thinking that since the actual function is the modified Mathieu equations, maybe the results are different
 
9:30 PM
@Slereah Ah, it's the field? Then that sounds indeed bad, since it wouldn't be integrable.
 
Probably yeah
But the mathieu equation is $y'' + [a - 2q \cos(2z)] y = 0$
 
@TanMath : yes. If you're my twin and you go on a fast out-and-back trip, you get time dilated. You come back younger than me. But I can watch you every step of the way through my telescope, and you don't end up living in the middle of last week. You never depart the present. You don't "travel to the future". You merely suffer less local motion than me. Your local motion plus your macroscopic motion cannot exceed c. It's all down to the wave nature of matter.
 
What I have is $y'' - [a - 2q \cosh(2z)] y = 0$
Since it is into complex territory the results might differ
 
@JohnDuffield but if you were to have wormholes it is possible...
 
Pretty hard to find results for the modified equation
 
9:33 PM
And wormholes are possible!
 
@Slereah If it is as well-known as that one paper said, surely someone has considered all possible modifications! :P
 
@ACuriousMind : Have you ever heard of it
 
No.
Or rather, yes, but only because you mentioned it before :P
 
Well there you go
 
Then again, I know nothing about PDEs
 
9:36 PM
It's a somewhat notable function because it is a non-hypergeometric function
It also pops up for the wave equation in weird coordinates
 
@Ghost : people love their woo. In times gone by they lapped up the tales of heaven and hell and sweet baby Jesus. Now it's branes and SUSY and the Goldilocks multiverse. Meh, same old same old.
 
@JohnDuffield so you are an atheist?
@JohnDuffield prove that wormholes don't exist
 
"R is usually so chosen that one solution of the typical equation is periodic."
Well yes but what if it's not >:|
Grrr
 
@ACuriousMind sad
 
@TanMath : cling on tight, Tanmath. If you want to believe that there's some way you can move such that everything else in the universe not only moved back to where it was, but never moved at all, well, there's nothing I can ever say to convince you otherwise. Just as I can never convince some starry-eyed sucker that there ain't no heaven. Hallelujah!
 
9:41 PM
take a course on them next semester
@TanMath That's not really how science works, tbh.
 
@0celo7 Thanks, I've gotten enough of Sobolev spaces last semester for a while :P
 
"In connexion with the typical equation we saw that R was necessarily
algebraically greater than $-2h^2$"
 
@TanMath : yes I'm an atheist, but I have a bit of sympathy for Einstein's pantheism.
 
Well golly gee wizz why is it not in my case >:|
 
@TanMath : I can't prove that wormholes don't exist. And nor can I prove that fairies don't exist either. Or unicorns. Or heaven and hell and sweet baby Jesus.
 
9:44 PM
@0celo7 then why doesn't he believe a major part of Einstein's theory of relativity?
 
"algebraically greater"...are there other types of greater?
 
@TanMath Because there's not a shred of evidence.
It's one of the few things I agree with him on.
 
@JohnDuffield so that doesn't mean you insult other religions
 
@ACuriousMind Morally greater
 
Although I might be more in the camp "dunno either way"
@ACuriousMind geometrically, arithmetically, analytically, categorically, numerically, topologically, quantumly
 
9:47 PM
@Slereah Seems legit
 
ah fuck it
I'll make a post on math SE
 
@TanMath : I don't go round insulting any religion, but if cornered I will point out some of the issues.
 
@JohnDuffield What will it take to get you in a Skype call?
 
@0celo7 : you shedding your anonymity for starters. I would recommend that everybody uses their real name in discussions. It tends to keeps things nice.
 
I'm anonymous?
I am Ocelot Palaiologos.
 
10:01 PM
@JohnDuffield In all seriousness, my real name is known to many people here.
I just don't like the idea of my screen name being my real name.
 
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Q: Mathieu equation and instabilities

John TaylorSuppose we have an equation $$ \tag 1 y'' + (A -2q\cos(2t))y = 0, $$ called Mathieu equation. How does it provide instabilities for small $q << 1, A > q$? I don't understand this because as the result of adiabaticity Eq. $(1)$ admits WKB solution $$ y = \sum_{\pm}c_{\pm}\frac{\text{exp}\left(\pm...

there we go
wait no
Wrong page
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Q: Arbitrary factors for the (modified) Mathieu equation

SlereahI am currently confronted with a physical equation that, after a fair amount of reworking, can be recast in the form of the modified Mathieu equation : \begin{equation} y(x)'' - (a - 2q \cosh(2x)) y(x) = 0 \end{equation} In this case, the parameters $a$ and $q$ are somewhat arbitrary real numb...

that's the one
 
huh?
 
@0celo7 Isn't that right JOHN GUNHAMMER
 
@0celo7: I recommend you use it. Honestly. Look around, the regular guys do. Anyway, I have to go I'm afraid. Follow those references, do your own research, and think for yourself. Oh, and having just seen the above, take care who you hang around with.
 
@Slereah Ryan Unger
 
10:04 PM
Oh is that so BIFF
 
BIFF?
 
BIFF
 
BIFF!?
@Slereah @ACuriousMind Should I change my name to my real name?
 
You should change it to BIFF
 
OK, night all. Sleep tight.
 
10:08 PM
@JohnDuffield what about it?
@ACuriousMind wtf does that mean
 
HMMMM
 
> Biff
Adjective used to describe someone who requires little intelligence for their job.
@Slereah Seriously?
 
I meant Biff as in Biff Tannen
But yes I forgot, you never saw Back to the Future
Because you weren't even a sperm when it came out
 
lol
ohhhhhhh is that how babies are made??
who is biff?
> Biff is a large, rude, arrogant and violent bully
 
Biff is the bad guy who has an uncanny resemblance with Donald Trump
 
10:11 PM
Seriously?
hmm, I might change my name
I've considered this before.
 
B1ff
 
WHY
what's special about $\mathfrak{Biff}$?
@ACuriousMind French vanilla or dark roast?
 
@0celo7 What?
 
@ACuriousMind Jesus.
 
God damnit I'm stressed
 
10:20 PM
Stop doing drugs man
 
That's what unstresses me
Not been doing enough drugs lately
Even my whisky is starting to generate a burning sensation in my throat again
:(
 
Maybe stop drinking then
 
@ACuriousMind Do you not drink coffee?
 
@Danu What stresses you?
 
My lack of math skills
 
10:25 PM
@0celo7 I do...still no idea what that means, my coffee order is always "Coffee, black" :P
 
@Slereah Drink more, you say? Don't mind if I do
 
Down to 65 kg, woo
So anyway
Why is the toroidal spacetime not flat
Aren't toruses supposed to be flat
Oh wait
I guess the difference is between $ds^2 = (c+a\cos(\theta))^2d\phi^2 + a^2 d\theta^2$ and $ds^2 = d\phi^2 + d\theta^2$
"This metric of the square flat torus can also be realised by specific embeddings of the familiar 2-torus into Euclidean 4-space or higher dimensions."
Weird
Apparently you can't have a flat torus in 3D
"In 3 dimensions one can bend a flat sheet of paper into a cylinder without stretching the paper, but you cannot then bend this cylinder into a torus without stretching the paper (unless you give up some regularity and differentiability conditions, see below)."
Ah I see
 
@Danu Also struggling with quadratic equations? ;P
 
Although the fact that the basic 3D torus is not flat is quite nice
Since apparently the metric has a natural wormhole structure
I'll have to check by hand but I think it's alright
Probably no event horizons
although by itself it is kind of useless
Since the trip through the throat is the same length as around it
But that can be fixed
Also mb solve the KG equation???
 
10:44 PM
@ACuriousMind Not quite that bad ;)
 
10:59 PM
So anyway
Does it mean that all topologically trivial spacetimes with CTCs don't have a foliation
 
11:20 PM
Agh
Torus geodesics are Problematic
The horror
 
The horror
 
Slereah probably can never eat a donut again
Always getting flashbacks to this
Then crouching in a corner
 
I love the smell of burning torus geodesics notes in the morning, it smells like ... Victory
 
how do people even do science when most of the basic equations have never been solved
 
Intuitionism.
Cleaned by rigor ;)
Where is that user named Rigor?
and Fender...
 
11:29 PM
cleaning, probably
 
@user685252 He's become @skullpetrol again
 
I see.
 
@Danu Boo hoo, I bet you can do all sorts of neat graduate level stuff like quadratic equations, etc.
 
"The majority of geodesics on the torus are not æsthetically pleasing."
gross
 
@ACuriousMind lol
@Danu f u buddy
 
11:35 PM
Pro tip: Never tell a mod to "f u"
Buddy or not.
 
@user685252 nah
I like to live dangerously
 
good luck
 
@ACuriousMind At least you're not degenerate.
But there is some granularity within the category of black coffees.
 
People are known to act strangely when they get stressed, so be careful :-)
1 hour ago, by Danu
God damnit I'm stressed
Knowing when to "live dangerously" increases your chances of survival ;)
 
Howdy
 
11:43 PM
Hello
 
wanna hear a joke?
 
Sure.
 
Why did the photon go on a diet?
 
Because it couldn't lose any weight?
 
Because it wanted to stay light
 
11:47 PM
Oh please stop
 
Wait, that's right...photons are massless
crap
 
Do you know calculus yet
 
Kinda...I got a new calc teacher at my school
Problem is, she doesn't remember calc
 
::chortles::
 
So by now I know about rate of change...
Hoorah...
Not differentials, integrals, or all that good stuff
 
11:51 PM
Bloody geodesic solve :V
Well
For some initial condition
 
does anyone know if I set up remote access from my laptop to a Linux terminal in work, can my home computer be accessed from that system by someone else using it?
 
@Pies lol
first semester almost up!
@AngusTheMan Skynet can alway access you...
 
On a side note, anyone know the answer to this? physics.stackexchange.com/questions/216930/…
 
I don't think any physicists come to this chat.
Just mathematicians.
 
.-.
 
11:56 PM
Well, there's @dmckee, but he's old.
 
@Pies The reaction proton+electron -> neutron is not energetically favourable, iirc
 
A'right, but rather what keeps the electrons from colliding with protons?
 
Compare the rest masses on the l.h.s. to the r.h.s. and you'll it can't happen withoutmore energy
@Pies On the scale of an atom, neither the proton nor the electron should be thought of as classical particles, so "colliding" is an ill-defined term
 
Yeah, that's true, but electron capture happens in the same way
protons and electrons "collide"
 
@Pies Because then the reaction electron+nucleus -> nucleus with neutron instead of proton is energectically favourable
 
11:59 PM
Wait
 

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