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6:48 AM
Morning
@kalina this is not random
 
7:08 AM
Morning All
An early start for me today, as one of our cats disrupted our morning walk by joining us... we then had fun getting him home past several dogs...
@TildalWave not sure if you're familiar with Solar Designer but apparently he's of need of assistance with Slovenia Beaurocracy... twitter.com/solardiz/status/651947490653118465
 
Adi
7:25 AM
@RoryA Is an IISP membership still as respected in the industry as it was a few years ago?
 
sometimes I feel like you turn up here specifically for information security questions and then leave again once you have your answers... what are we, a Q&A site?
you don't love us anymore
 
Adi
@RoryA I'm thinking about applying for an affiliate (then associate) membership, and I saw that you're a full member there.
@kalina You've changed a lot, but I still love you
Like a.. ummm
 
this always happens when a guy you know gets a girlfriend, you suddenly don't know him anymore and he's gone... busy... and then suddenly pops up and is all like OH HAI
 
@Adi the elder rory is like an organiser for IISP
@Adi friend?
 
Adi
@RоryMcCune Oh, god no!
Even if I knew her IRL I wouldn't be her friend
Jesus!
 
7:30 AM
wow
I'm just here you know
 
@Adi dude
@kalina yeah wtf
 
Adi
Wait wait wait
So now DMZ became serious stuff?
 
@Adi oh yeah, we're all about the srs businezz now
 
Adi
I thought we're still doing the shit-on-kalina-and-simon thing
 
@Adi not doing that though
well apart from @AviD
 
Adi
7:31 AM
Oh yeah, and @Avi
@kalina Nah, just kidding. I'd tooootally be your friend
and I'd ask you to join my friends for beer/wine
 
yeah because that's not creepy at all
 
Adi
and we'd play scrabble or something
 
what kind of friend would invite a non-drinker for beer and wine
 
Adi
then eat ice-cream
and cook food
I don't know what friendspeople do :(
 
@kalina a bad one , that's what kind.. and now he's trying to make up with Ice cream.
 
7:33 AM
@Adi cause that's all I'm good for, right? Cooking...
sounds like a back in the kitchen statement to me
 
Adi
@kalina Nah, I don't really think you're good at that
I do the cooking in my kitchen
Didn't you say a few months ago that you only know how to cook microwave pizza?
Or was that @Simon?
 
No I can only cook toast
 
Adi
I can't :(
I don't have a toaster
 
me either, I find I like leaving it way too long so it bursts into flames
 
mmm toast
 
7:37 AM
mmm flames
 
@AviD you all organized for the conf. then?
 
@RоryMcCune pfft, of course not, we still have a few days.
 
@AviD heh, nothing like a bit of last minute cramming!
 
We will start planning monday afternoon, do everything monday night and early tuesday morning, and be ready by 9AM Tuesday.
@RоryMcCune wait, is there any other way?
 
@AviD ... aren't there one or two bits that have a lead-time to arrange?
 
7:42 AM
yes,you could be organized
 
@AviD yeah and he's tweeting like a crazy tigger
 
part of our problem is that (1) sponsors like waiting till the last minute to commit (2) people like waiting till the last minute to register
@RоryMcCune yeah, thats why we're starting monday afternoon, and not night. Duh.
 
Twitter should put a snoozing to "date" setting for this :)
 
@M'vy I just discovered tweetdeck! :D
@M'vy you dont even know what the tweetschedule looks like.
 
@AviD seems like favouriting someone gets you updates on every single reply you make...
 
7:43 AM
I love this "schedule tweets for a specific time" feature
 
though I was glad I had the TSA one
 
@M'vy heh, was good, right?
its like, normals dont want to listen to Bruce drone on, but this way was fun
 
@AviD hey hey Bruce drone
 
oh, today is going to be one of those days
 
the ones ending in "Y" ?
 
7:47 AM
sit at my pc, it's decided to re-arrange my monitors for me
I'm clicking the buttons but it's not doing what I want
resistance met; plan aborted - returning to bed
 
8:02 AM
@kalina always a plan
 
8:25 AM
@Adi - yes. It had a slump for a bit while they sorted CIE London membership, affiliations with government, corporate memberships etc, and now progress to chartered institute is well on the way
Got them to commit to regional initiatives, finally, and its looking good
 
@RoryAlsop s/initiatives/parties/ :op
 
I'm not Scottish branch lead any more, stepped down this year, but still hooked in to what they are up to
 
@RoryAlsop ahh, who's the wo(man) for that now?
 
Had branch meeting last night as it happens - had an interesting bunch of ex-mil folks there, one of whom has trained a bunch of @AviD's compatriots
@RоryMcCune Owen Birnie
 
@RoryAlsop wait, dont you mean the other way around?
 
8:45 AM
morning
@RoryAlsop How did your aurora observing go last night? Did you take any pics?
Actually that's a question for both Rorys cc @RоryMcCune
 
@TildalWave didn't see it out our way :( I had a look but I think it was behind hills from where I am.
it was visible on the cowal peninsula tho'
Shot taken on the Holy Loch down by Dunoon
 
ah nice
apparently it was also visible from South Wales last night
Tonight's #aurora over the lights of South Wales - photographed from the Quantock Hills, Somerset, at 21:27BST. http://t.co/3FTJaM08G7
 
pretty
 
erm, Somerset would still be England actually
so even farther South
 
IEEE is trying to bait me into early renewal with ... an Apple Watch contest?
 
9:41 AM
 
9:52 AM
I need coffee, it took me a minute to get it (rabbit / rabbi)
 
@TildalWave I didn't get it at all, until you commented.
 
I didn't get it until I zoomed in and could read Mazeltov
 
Would have been easier to get if they had used the Hebrew alphabet.
 
sorry sorry, I'll try and find clearer pun cartoons in future :op
 
I'm in a Redmond nuking mood today ;)
Not only did Microsoft cripple raw sockets, they conveniently forgot to mention that they removed the ability to receive TCP and not just the ability to send TCP.
 
10:00 AM
@AviD - no, he's an advanced combat instructor.
 
And all in the name of "security" despite raw suckets requiring admin privileges.
 
@CodesInChaos yeah getting some of the admin stuff to work on MS products is a huge pain now due to "security" requirements
things like Hyper-V remote administration in a non-domain setting, seem way more complicated than they should need to be
 
Adi
@RoryAlsop So you think a membership wouldn't be a bad idea?
@Avi Heard of this guy? rozinconsulting.com
 
@Adi huh, dont think so... I do know a Michael rAzin. dont think its the same guy.
 
So now I have to rewrite the code to use winpcap instead of raw suckets.
 
Adi
10:04 AM
@AviD I emailed him about one of his courses. A couple of coworkers and I were interested
All was good until I think he found out I'm from Syria :D
 
@Adi pfffttt
 
Adi
@AviD A guy from Syria asking about airport security course :D
hehehehe
 
lol
 
Adi
This screams 911ish because of the flight courses
I didn't realize it until he stopped responding to my emails
"Oh yeah, that does look suspicious!"
@RoryA and do they accept non-UK members?
 
Sounds like I have to have Steve Gibson to thank for that.
 
Adi
10:21 AM
@CodesInChaos Great guy
 
hi everyone
 
@Adi I didn't have any problems with him so far. Guess that changed today.
 
@Adi pretty certain they do, yes
 
Adi
10:38 AM
@RoryAlsop and what about your personal opinion? Do you think it's a good idea if I'm planning a UK move in the next couple of years?
@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 Hi!
Oh, it's you!!
@Simon Your friend is here!
 
@Adi @Simon is AWOL at the moment...
 
11:09 AM
pls what does that even mean?
 
Adi
@TildalWave He hasn't been here and we have no clue how/why
 
@Adi Whether it's a good thing or bad is an exercise left for the reader.
 
Adi
I don't know, man. @Simon is pretty alright
 
@RoryAlsop That'd be cool but I'm too lazy to participate.
@Adi Is it bad that I barely remember this friend? :s
 
11:28 AM
hey @RоryMcCune just in case you missed it....
SCREW YOU IF I CANT WORK NEITHER CAN YOU
 
@Simon See he's alive
 
@RoraΖ Who?!?
 
You
 
Ahhh.
 
@Adi was worried
 
11:33 AM
I was getting my forearm done yesterday.
And now I'm trying to figure out a way to type without dying.
 
type with your feet.
 
I'm definitely considering it.
 
Adi
11:45 AM
@AviD Oh, Bruce!
 
12:01 PM
Morning
 
Adi
Morning
 
afternoon
 
@avid i need a help in editing my answer
 
I wouldnt know anything about that
 
recently i wrote this security.stackexchange.com/a/102195/11679 answer but cant format it properly,kindly help me in making it with proper formatting
@AviD
 
12:09 PM
58 secs ago, by AviD
I wouldnt know anything about that
 
of course I am, cuz I'm awesome
also very busy right now
 
thanks hope somone will edit and make it :) @AviD yeah man **as a avid user,avid enthusiast,avid researcher you were awesome :)
 
@AviD Yeah what's up with that, what has been going on in the past weeks?
@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 Dude give him a break, his head won't fit through the door.
 
Adi
@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 What the fuck is that answer?!
 
12:16 PM
lololol
 
Adi
I'm sorry, but given the quality of the rest of your answers, I find it hard to believe that you actually wrote that within 30 minutes after that question was asked
Too long
Not good, but doesn't really suck as much as your other answers
Hmm.. statistical anomaly for sure
 
Bahaha.
 
@Simon AppSec Israel, braugh
 
@AviD Damn, it needs that much of your time?
 
@Adi your face is a statistical anomaly
@Simon I know, right?
last minute crunch....
and in parallel to the rest of the work / family / etc
 
Adi
12:22 PM
@AviD It indeed is. You wouldn't normally see someone as smart as I am having a face as handsome as mine
 
Mernin
 
@Simon what were you getting done to it?
 
@RоryMcCune Tattoo.
 
@Simon also you should've told @kalina that you'd be away, she was worried about you :op
 
@RоryMcCune he had shoved it up too far.
 
Adi
12:26 PM
@JukEboX So, you basically this running?
window.setInterval(function(){v=['a','e','i','o','u'];post("M"+v[Math.floor(Mat‌​h.random()*items.length)]+"rning")},22*60*1000);
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah I saw that, poor her.
 
@Adi lOL
I usually say hello as I get to my desk at work before something catches on fire
 
@kalina The last session will be on November 6th so mark your calendar.
 
Adi
@JukEboX and yes, I spent 3 minutes writing that
I had to test it :D
 
:P:P:
 
12:28 PM
@Simon you'll need to put a picture up when it's done, not sure I've seen a Rainbow Dash tattoo before
inb4 pls
 
@RоryMcCune Haha. I'll post a picture tomorrow, there's still a protective layer on it.
 
@Simon I remember when I was a kid, I went to California for the summer and on the way back got one of those stick-on temprorary tattoos of a skull, then didn't mention it at all to my mum to see how she would react
she tried to play it cool but there was only so long I could keep up the joke without LOL'ing
 
@RоryMcCune Oh that's funny. What's funnier is that my tattoo is indeed a skull.
It is quite violent.
 
@Simon yeah but I'm guessing your one will be a wee bit better than the super dodgy stick on one
 
@RоryMcCune Oh yes, the artist is amazing.
I'm expecting my parents to react badly, oh well.
 
12:33 PM
@Simon you can sort it. Get a really bad stick-on tattoo, put it on your forehead (under your hair). tell them you got a tattoo, show them the fake one, they freak out.. then say "nah that's fake" and wash it off, then they won't be as pissed about the real one:)
 
@RоryMcCune Haha, very good idea.
A face tattoo is definitely another level.
 
@Simon your face is another level
 
I see Apple have taken a leaf out of Microsoft's playbook on the update front
just annoy you into doing it
 
@Adi :) i dont know how to answer for your question,what the fuck doesnt sound good :)
as you said the answer might be of low quality,i m still learning how to write a neat answer
 
@Adi yes. Timing is good- the royal charter will be exceptionally useful on a CV.
 
12:42 PM
@AviD pls
 
pls dont use terms like what the fuck which sometimes insults user :) thanks @Adi
 
-.-
Do people really expect this room to be full of fluffs?
 
@RоryMcCune Aaaawwww.
I want a bunny pillow, they're so soft.
My donut's bunny doesn't enjoy it when I try to sleep on it.
 
Did this get posted in here earlier?
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Q: Inviting Cryptography enthusiast to solve this puzzle

Jonathan ToddIf you're interested in Cryptography, I posted a question on Puzzle SE involving a possible SHA1 hash, followed by some binary data, and as I doubt the majority of Puzzle SE members have expertise in encryption / binary puzzles, I figured an invitation to enthusiast here might be well received. ...

 
12:52 PM
lOL @Simon
My BUnny doesn't enjoy people
Or that fact that I herd it back into it's cage with my remote control car
 
@JukEboX And you wonder why it doesn't enjoy people.
 
lulz
 
lolo
 
1:04 PM
@RoryAlsop we should have meta posts automatically here in a feed.. WDYT?
 
@AviD Why do you toto?
 
wat
 
What does WDYT mean?
 
@Simon Which do you trust < it's a moderator popularity contest
 
o
 
1:06 PM
(And it was what do you think)
 
o
 
Ok, @Simon finally lost it and only replies using an Ascii donut.
 
:D
🍩
Unicode donut is much better!
 
@Simon holy c!!
 
It's pretty isn't it?
 
1:09 PM
It's not really my cup of tea
but I guess it's ok
 
o
 
@Simon just to point out that the "official" name of that symbol U+1F369 is DOUGHNUT :op
 
@RоryMcCune I know, I noticed the spelling error too!
 
@Simon on your text. well you know if you get there in 1 min or less you can correct that
 
bunny?
 
1:14 PM
or if you ask @RoryAlsop or @AviD very nicely, they could correct it for you..
 
@RоryMcCune ovid wouldn't do that, he's convinced that "doughnut" and "donut" are two different things.
@JourneymanGeek My donut's bunny is not here but I can forward the message if needed.
 
reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/3nxlk4/… < amusing story in which many people realise the meaning of "Netflix and Chill"
 
:24585424 doughnut.. that's the correct spelling :P
 
@RоryMcCune yeah yeah, my bad
 
1:17 PM
this fella and two others were hopping around the neighbourhood today ;p
 
Sorry had to check again to be sure.
 
@M'vy I thought you'd been corrupted by the perfidious @AviD there
 
@RоryMcCune No I'm just a silly French, you know...
 
@RоryMcCune heh, perfidious
you're right though, doughnut is the correct spelling. It's just the wrong type of pastry.
 
@JourneymanGeek That's cute!
 
1:19 PM
@AviD how can it be the "wrong" type of pastry when it's a Unicode Character?
not notoriously patrylike
 
@Simon: for a moment I thought it was an injured cat
 
@JourneymanGeek Because it walked funny?
 
@RоryMcCune because doughnuts are not as good as donuts!
 
@AviD it's ... a... unicode ... character...
 
@Simon: yup, and I did not expect to see bunnies there
 
1:20 PM
not foodstuff
 
their human was smart enough to pick a time when there's no dogs around
 
@RоryMcCune AND DOES NOT TASTE AS GOOD AS A DONUT
 
@AviD what did you like 3d Print it or something?
 
pfft
 
@JourneymanGeek Oh, it's in a public park?
 
1:22 PM
@JourneymanGeek we inadvertantly had to take our cat for a walk this morning. It found us when we were walking through the village, so we had to get him home past several dogs who were out for their morning walks..
 
@Simon: its in a little patch of grass next to my apartment building
 
2:20 PM
"Simon QQ y u not here QQ"
Then on the next damn day when I'm here, no one talks.
 
@Simon phhbt
I was fixing a weird windows networking problem
windows is really weird at the moment when it wants to apply updates, it seems to break random stuff
 
Weird and Windows in the same sentence? I cannot believe it!
 
so you'll reboot
@Simon Inorite incredible
defintely getting the vibe that testers will really need to stop using windows and mainstream browsers for security testing stuff soon
too many security features getting in the way :o)
 
Yeah like Chrome's XSS protection.
 
yeah I'm already using FFox as it's the most configurable
maybe FFox Dev Edition is the answer
 
2:29 PM
I've never been a Firefox fan, I'd use Opera before FF.
 
@Simon I thought Opera was a zombie project these days
just chrome with a skin
 
Yeah I think it is.
 
Haven't found a decent browser since the demise of Opera.
 
Yeah I was using it in 2008 until 2011ish I believe.
 
pls I didn't miss Simon
what nonsense
 
2:33 PM
That's not what roro said.
 
since when was @RоryMcCune intimately tuned to my needs and feelings
 
I only stopped using Opera a few months ago when I decided that the security risks of using an unmaintained browser are too high.
 
@kalina He's like the creator of The DMZ soap so of course he knows.
 
@kalina phhbt hardly requires in depth empathy to see that :op
 
@RоryMcCune Never mind the automatic, black box updates that are becoming more and more non-optional.
 
2:34 PM
@Iszi yeah that too
@kalina I mean heck you even resorted to talking to @Adi
 
@RоryMcCune I suspect that Microsoft fired their whole QA department.
 
@CodesInChaos Or turned them into DevOps people
 
meh
back to not being here
 
@kalina howcome?
 
See, that's how boring you lads are.
 
2:37 PM
@Simon psst, you're including yourself there
 
She wanted to see unicorns and fluffy fluffs.
And you guys gave her Microsoft talks, tsk.
@RоryMcCune NO
 
I hope that gaming in a VM becomes easy to use soon. That's one of the main things holding me on windows.
 
@Simon is that a young person Euphamism?
@CodesInChaos yeah games + some concerns about hardware support are my main reasons for using Win 10 on home systems.
 
@CodesInChaos Wanna know how I've solved this issue? I stopped gaming and then moved to Linux/OS X.
 
In theory VM gaming works, but seems to be rather complicated to set up.
 
2:39 PM
It works fine for older games that require a shitty GPU card.
Like Guild Wars.
 
It works even for modern games when you use PCI passthrough to transfer control of the GPU to the VM.
 
That sounds like a mess to setup.
 
@CodesInChaos I think a lot of it depends on the game. For less graphics intensive stuff, I don't think it's too bad, but for new/graphics heavy stuff, it seems not very usuable
although IIRC @AviD was looking at that
hmm it occurs that actually we shouldn't ping @AviD too much today
as @AviD is working hard on prep. for AppSecIL
isn't that right @AviD ?
 
@AviDovid
 
WHY YOU PINGING MEEEEEE
I KEEEEL YOUUUUU
 
2:41 PM
PCI/VGA pass through should enable VM gaming with <10% performance loss.
 
lololol
@CodesInChaos That's quite good.
 
@AviD @CodesInChaos wanted your expert opinion on PCI passthrough on VMs for gaming
hey @kalina you'll know about that kind of thing too surely
 
But there are complications, like nvidia's drivers containing VM detection (buy the 10x more expensive professional card), PCI resets not working properly with some cards,...
 
@CodesInChaos yeah, real quick - using Hyper/V + vGPU, it is very playable, even at relatively high resolutions (but medium framerates). The big problem is, surprisingly, mouse support.
 
@CodesInChaos Theoretically. But it hinges on how well proprietary drivers and undocumented hardware will react with the Linux kernel...
 
2:42 PM
@AviD I've witnessed that with VMware, couldn't setup my mouse with a decent acceleration setting.
 
@ThomasPornin who said anything about needing a linux kernel? he is talking about GAMES
 
@ThomasPornin I was talking about using a thin hyperviser like xen together with a windows VM.
 
I feel like you guys are gonna get rekt by da bear.
 
There are people who reported that they managed to get that to work, but it sounded too tricky for me.
 
btw @kalina did @Simon tell you he's getting a Rainbow Dash Tattoo?
 
2:45 PM
@CodesInChaos ah didnt see that part
 
@RоryMcCune Oh how she's gonna be disappointed.
 
@Simon not if you never actually show her the tattoo....
 
@CodesInChaos With Xen, one of the guest systems is "special" in that it is the one that actually handles the hardware (this is usually a Linux).
 
@RоryMcCune Imagine if it was a ween tattoo.
 
@ThomasPornin Apparently there is a way to block it from using one GPU and then assign that GPU exclusively to another (windows) VM.
You could use the integrated intel CPU for desktop composition and the dedicated GPU for gaming.
 
2:49 PM
What about using Bootcamp on OS X?
 
@Simon that would seem ill-advised in terms of future employability (apart from certain very select organisations)
 
@RоryMcCune No, no, I mean a tattoo on my ween!
 
that would have to be a small tattoo.
 
I wouldn't expect my employers to ever see it.
@AviD pls
 
@Simon ahh that would seem like an amazingly painful thing to contemplate
 
2:50 PM
@Simon what kind of job do you have???
 
@AviD ??????
Your job requires you to show them their ween?
 
@RоryMcCune pls, its the only way he can get somebody to handle it for him.
@Simon doesnt yours??
 
@AviD No, my job is not located in a pyramid.
 
okay, enough funtime picking on @Simon, back to work....
 

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