vision's kinda of cheating, he has no secret identity. but romanov making her identity public? doesn't that contradict the whole 'secret agent' thing?

@MikeEdenfield Wasn't her identity made public after Winter Soldier?

I thought that is what happened at the end when they hacked Shield's computer.

yes, and she visibly hesitated for a moment when pierce pointed out that fact.

first sort-of photos of dr light from flash

@phantom42 that could be anyone wearing a bizarre overcoat.

Where can i watch the whole first season of The Flash.

AFAIK Amazon has it for $30, otherwise nowhere legal

Dang. I wanted to rewatch the whole first season and do a post about it.

it'll be on netflix eventually.

arrow is, just not the last season

Maybe it will be there before Season 2 starts.

I'm sure Richard could tell you where to find it.

:)

I'm sure...

@JackBNimble about a week or two before the new season starts, it'll hit netflix

Excellent.

@MikeEdenfield Captain America: Civil War has nothing to do with secret identities.

Dr Strange officially has the best cast of any Marvel Cinematic Universe ever. Mads Mikkelsen confirmed to be playing the bad guy.

I'm not the biggest Cumberbatch fan, but between him, Tilda Swinton, Chiwetel Ejiofor and Mads Mikkelsen I couldn't be more impressed with whoever is casting this film.

I just wish Joaquin Pheonix was in the main role :(

Or Hugh Dancy actually.

@DrRDizzle how does Civil War not have anything to do with secret identities? the whole point is that the government requires all superheros to unmask and register... ?

@MikeEdenfield In the comics, yes. The near complete lack of secret identities in the MCU means that Captain America: Civil War is about the creation of a government body that decides when the Avengers can and cannot take action. It's about accountability, not identities.

@MikeEdenfield From the official synopsis for the film - "After another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability and a governing body to determine when to enlist the services of the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers while they try to protect the world from a new and nefarious villain."

After creating Ultron and feeling the guilt for it, Tony Stark is naturally all for more accountability, something he feels strongly about ever since Iron Man. Naturally, the man who wants to save everyone he can, Steve Rogers, disagrees.

> Later on in that 1980's run Steve Rogers becomes a freelance artist for Marvel Comics drawing his own comic book.

Wait. What?

oh my god.

you thought we were bad with pointless tag arguments.

M&TV has been arguing for 3 days straight over whether a question about Iron Man should be tagged mcu

@MikeEdenfield That's my fault, I was the cause of the original meta question about it at least a few weeks ago.

nah. IMO it's that Catija' person's fault. She seems to have some kind of vendetta against us.

her entire argument against it is "but they do it on SF&F so it can't be right"

and yes, dude, despite what you want to being, that is the sole reason tags exist. Everything else is just a bonus.

(not you dude, him dude)

@MikeEdenfield His arguement for not doing it is that searching isn't the only reason for tags, and then giving me a list of things that help people search for questions as evidence for that.

2+2 = 5

We've always been at war with Eurasia.

I'm getting arsey now, I need to step away from that discussion.

> The usage of the marvel-cinematic-universe tag seems quite a bit inconsistent at the moment. While it is clear that it should be used for any question pertaining to the general cross-movie intricacies of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it seems largely unclear if it should also be used for individual movies. There are many questions with that tag that are not about the MCU in general but simply about the story of individual movies.

what?

so they want to use it only for aspects of movies that specifically deal with the crossovers?

@phantom42 That's what they use it for currently.

every time i go to that site, i remember why i don't go to that site.

I have not seen an arguement against my suggestion for mimicing the way we do the tag other than "well we may as well tag every single question with everyone who ever had anything to do with the film/TV show on which the question is based" which is obviously ridiculous.

@phantom42 I'd love to contribute there more, but I cannot be arsed to click on 15+ different tags to try and find questions to answer.

@phantom42 The fact that they won't take suggestions from a more established SE network about a tagging system that we have proved can work is frustrating in itself, but to deny what tags are actually for is just... wow.

they complain about possible upkeep, but IMO, that approach requires more upkeep. take the example of say the tesseract in CA1. at the time of release, i ask a question about it. but this is before there is any known link to the broader MCU. now, once it's revealed that the tesseract returns, and is an infinity stone, you have to go back and retag it with MCU.

or you tag something MCU because you think it's broadly connected - but maybe turns out it isn't. now what?

@phantom42 Oh no, someone might have to remove a tag. If only there was someone who wanted to be able to search on that tag in order to read and answer questions who would edit questions incorrectly tagged.

/sighs. they have a "movie franchise" tag.

ok. they want to limit the use of "mcu" but then they have tags like "action" and "drama"

yeah buddy.

@phantom42 In case you are an expert in all franchises, obviously.

I think it's a weird sibling rivalry. We generally poke fun, but most of us don't have an actual problem with them in the grand scheme. But they seem to behave like that younger sibling who is adamant about doing things completely different for the sake of being different.

@phantom42 Movies.SE is the Ultron to our Tony Stark (MCU canon, obviously)

ultron only exists in one movie. is that really MCU then?

@phantom42 He's not dead though, so... crossover potential.

I'd participate more on Movies.SE if it wasn't blocked at work.

@phantom42 God damn it. In the words of @JackBNimble, you are dead to me.

what happened to malekith? are he and ronan the only seemingly confirmed non-lackey deaths?

I'm pretty sure he died.

what about the dude from IM3? killian?

Also dead. I mean, Pepper exploded him, or something. Riped off his head?

All main villians in Iron-Man have died.

@JackBNimble Sam Rockwell didn't

but vanko is arguably the big bad there

@phantom42 I think Darren Cross is pretty dead. So is Alexander Pierce.

@DrRDizzle Right, I wouldn't consider Hammer to be a main villian, just a facilitator.

@phantom42 Skye's mom, Dr Whitehall are both dead

@JackBNimble I genuinely thought Sam Rockwell was the character. I feel dumb.

cross is ambiguious. i thought he got sucked into the microverse

or whatever they're calling in now

@phantom42 He probably did, but he was crushed to death first.

pierce, i'm iffy on calling the big-bad. i felt he was more like hammer. a crooked politician

Cross, Red Skull, Ultron, and Abomination all potentially alive.

@JackBNimble Abomination is 100% alive.

loki is alive

@DrRDizzle I know. If you can call "frozen in a block of ice" alive.

True. And Odin is potentially dead (although not likely)

@phantom42 He was the mastermind, the leader of Hydra. He may not have been the physical villain, but he was the main bad guy of the film.

@JackBNimble I'm dying to find out what happened in Asgard.

@JackBNimble I don't recall him being frozen

he was a leader of hydra, but not the leader, i don't think.

@MikeEdenfield You seem to be misinterpreting her arguments there quite bit then.

@DrRDizzle Coulson threatens Ward with sending him to Alaska to watch Abomination's frozen cell in AoS S1

@JackBNimble well the punishment is even worse if he's sent to watch a cell with a dead body in it, isn't it?

@phantom42 He was the leader. In Captain America: The Winter Soldier they cut off one head, and two more appeared in it's place - Daniel Whitehall and Baron von Strucker. These have both since been killed and replaced by Grant Ward and whoever Mitch Carson was working for in Ant Man, most likely Baron von Zemo who will probably be the big bad of Captain America: Civil War.

@JackBNimble Nice memory.

I don't know who Tom Cody is, but at least this week, he seems to exist everywhere.

@TomCody The only argument I've actually seen from her is:

@JackBNimble Thanks Richard.

Your argument is far more reasonable, but I still disagree with it.

@phantom42 no, they're also rather against those meta tags as well. They just consider mcu a meta-tag itself.

marvel cinematic wiki (so take with a grain of salt):

> Alexander Pierce was HYDRA's top undercover agent inside the United States Government, S.H.I.E.L.D., and the World Security Council.

Noooo, I like this chatroom. If we are going to argue, can we at least do it in Mos Eisley or The Screening Room?

@phantom42 My position is derived from experience in actually answering many MCU questions; much like yours, I'm of the opinion that every question about Iron Man is about the MCU.

@phantom42 I haven't trusted anything from there since they used Earth-616 canon as EArth-199999 canon.

Yeah, you're right. I specifically shut up in Screening Room because it's not really my place to argue with M&TV mods about M&TV policy :)

@MikeEdenfield You have a right to an opinion, the same as any SE user.

@JackBNimble wait... M&TV is blocked but SF&F isn't? ruh?

@DrRDizzle I am, and I've expressed it, and I voted on the meta, and that's where I should have stopped :)

I don't argue with Keen or Kevin about SF&F policy. Only Richard

@MikeEdenfield Well, I'd wager that simply is due to a little frustration that some users tend to feel about our site, its quality and its policies being continously rididuled by the users of another site that then tended to mass-vote on a meta discussion about those policies. If justified or not, that isn't really her argument as presented in the respective meta answer, though.

i saw no indication that pierce was the ultimate leader of hydra. they had their little cabal that seemed to be largely democratic in nature, if completely backstabbing.

@TomCody Since you bring it up, I'm curious where this belief that we (me specifically?) are ridiculing the policies of your site.

richard's comments are the only ones i'm familiar with that border on possible ridicule.

other than the "they like speculating" jokes? because I, at least, only made those jokes because an M&TV mod was in the room and I thought he thought they were funny.

and wait. are our users going and voting on m/tv metas without being regular users there?

Now that I have been made aware that it's not taken as nearly so funny by other M&TV regulars, I have stopped making them. I've gone back to mocking skeptics.

@phantom42 I am a regular user there (kinda... 3k rep). and yes, I voted.

I only go over there to answer MCU and GoT questions.

right, but you answer there with some bit of regularity

that's fine. but if we have our people going there to vote on meta without being regular users, that's not cool.

> that then tended to mass-vote on a meta discussion about those policies.

it's one thing for us to say, "hey, i don't get your policies". it's another if we're actively trying to change them without being a part of their community.

@MikeEdenfield Well, if you ask, seeing the quality of our questions and answers as well as our approaches and views continuous made fun of in rather arrogant statements. Add to this the even more serious statements by Rcihard that he made in our chatroom. I explained it to him already that the occasional joke is no problem and neither does anyone have to like our policies and our views, that is perfectly fine and I don't equally like every SciFi policy either...

...It is however the prevalent attitude of arrogance and sarcasm with which those complaints are uttered and the attitude that we just "do it wrong". It might be that I misunderstood all this "gentle ribbing" and Richard surely isn't the most modest and non-blunt person, but it is that arrogant attitude behind his statements that paints not a too favourable picture of the Mos Eisley chatroom with regard to our site.

wait. are you judging our entire community based on richard?

Maybe I should have made this clearer before, but I adressed that to Richard already in a more serious note, which was at least, well, noticed. Neither do I want to limit everyone's right to say what he thinks in a public chatroom. You can as well keep going on, but I can't promise that it will be taken any more funny in the future either, though.

@phantom42 No, only the users happily chiming in on the respective chat discussion Richard likes to incite in this regard. And I don't say that the whole of SciFi is against us or ridicules us, only that certain users doing so contribute to a not that pleasant atmosphere. (Let alone that he is in voice, activity and status quite a prominent representative of that site anyway).

@MikeEdenfield Though, if you hadn't asked this I didn't really plan to bring this up yet again. I didn't want to destroy your discussion here and I certainly had a month's share of exhausting discussions in the last days already. I just came because I saw Catija's arguments supposedly misrepresented, that's all.

Ok, so windows 8 can just go screw itself in its stupid little face.

@TomCody no, it's something I have been meaning to ask for a few days; because it seems to come up in The Screening Room at lot and I genuinely have no idea where it's coming from.

although it does make not want to be in The Screening Room for fear that my personality and humor will get me in serious trouble over there, if that's how you react to my personality and humor in Mos Eisley :(

Add to this statement that it's not worth contributing on our site anyway, because we would apreciate the answers (which is only because we have fewer users and users used to getting the rep-limit blown each day might not receive the same amount attention and appreciation there) or that we supposedly don't value canon anyway. There's really been a multitude of rather arrogant statement by not only Richard.

yeah, well, Richard probably got one of his "I quoted all of Chapter 3 of the novelization of your movie" answers outvoted and is throwing a fit.

he does that, you get used to it.

that's literally never happened. today.

since I woke up.

@MikeEdenfield Well, it's not good if users get repelled from our site too because they think we don't like SciFi. WHich isn't the case. But it is an overall unpleasant situation really.

@MikeEdenfield And if you want to know exactly, this was said in all seriousness (as confirmed) in our chatroom:

@MikeEdenfield It is a mystery never fully explained.

no one thinks you don't like sci-fi. There is a belief that people on SF&F care far more about the mythology of the movies and the background and canon and details than M&TV because that's all we care about.

it's exactly why the mcu-tag discussion is so contentious

@JackBNimble just like that damned phantom of the opera.

@phantom42 Exactly.

Movies.SE is dead to me.

to me, the thing that matters is that every single element of Iron Man is part of the MCU, so we should tag it mcu. Catija's point is that Iron Man is it's own movie, so it should only be tagged [iron-man]

both are right, but to me, the big-picture-mythology aspect is what makes the movie even worth watching, so that's what interests me.

@MikeEdenfield And that is a valid view. Afterall the site are different and have different approaches to answering and different policies. And neither is there a problem with people disliking our policies and answers. This is not the problem. The problem is an attitude that one site's policies are simply better for everyone. And if that is then expressed in arrogant sarcastic jokes, the fun of those jokes vanishes for me really.

I've always been of the opinion that both sites and overlap and no one should get all huffy about it.

I frequently post comments here recommending people go to M&TV if the don't get answers here, and comments on M&TV when a question has an extensive answer here that goes beyond "just the movie". I see no problem with that.

But I do think if you're going to ask a Marvel or DC-based movie question, you'll probably get a more thorough answer here because we have @Thaddeus

mic drop

@MikeEdenfield And people have expressed their valid and interesting arguments on that MCU question already and voted according to those. That's a fruitful meta discussion and wasn't realy what I was going to debate here (well, initially I wasn't going to debate anything here, but alas).

yeah I'm not going into that again, it's just a perfect example of the different approaches to movies.

I don't agree with migrating on-topic questions, but I do think there are plenty of questions on M&TV that'd get better answers here and vice versa, I don't think anyone should be offended by that statement.

@MikeEdenfield That's like when Loki is taunting Iron-Man and he responds "We have a Hulk." We have a Thaddeus.

And when that party then says it likes to make fun not just despite but because the receiving party supposedly lacks the necessary humour, I don't really know what else to say to that, other than think this person is a troll.

Yeah... I tend to get angry at people who lack the necessary humor and just ignore them.

If I didn't like you I wouldn't make fun of you, I'd insult you.

:)

> We used to hate people. Now we just make fun of them; it's more effective that way.

But well, I've discussed this with the most important representative of this attitude already anyway, without results, so there's no need to complain about Richard simply being Richard anymore here. I have heard your views and know that you might not mean it as serious as he does, and that's fine to know.

@MikeEdenfield Sure, but that wasn't what Richard was saying with that statement really. There's this nice blog post about "respect your community" and "respect other communities". And one of those two things I simply find lacking there.

richard doesnt respect anyone but rep.

ugh. I just caught myself almost commenting on a post from cde.

@MikeEdenfield And it's not that we don't like hunour in our chatroom, or that we react to your kind of hunour that way, it simply played into a larger pattern of unpleasantness, which is unfortunate. I'm sure nobody wants any grudges between those sites or its users, not even Richard I hope, and neither do I hold any grudge against SciFi as a whole or its users. It's just all not that a pleasant experience. I also don't expect anyone to consider my views on this, but at least they're known now.

Ant-Man is on Captain America's shoulder.

yay.

I wonder if we'll see Wasp

i mean, everyone else is in that movie.

LATEST NEWS: Twilight Sparkle officially cast for Captain America: Civil War

@DrRDizzle also. cut out that starring mess. that may fly in Mos Eisley but our star board in here lasts for months.

@MikeEdenfield Huh?

is is not you that's starring all those things as interesting? You're the new guy here, I just assumed :)

I said some of those things and I don't even find them interesting

@MikeEdenfield I've starred things I thought were interesting, but of the things I can see in the star board I've only starred a few of them.

then we have a rogue starrr-er

not i. i starred your comment from august 10th, but that's it.

maybe ankit? he's been lurking.

ah. M&TV double-agent I bet.

@MikeEdenfield Someone is starring a lot of messages now

well it's either ankit, or richard is trying to annoy me. Even odds there, TBH.

Unless Banner joins Cap's team, I think Vision gives Iron-Man a clear advantage.

Until they find out that Vision didn't actually kill Ultron.

Then it will be everyone against him.

For anyone that may be interested, I created a ranked list of all the films in the MCU.

@DrRDizzle I guess for me I find that ranking to be surprising.

@JackBNimble How come?

@DrRDizzle I would just rank them differently.

@JackBNimble All of them, or are there ones in particular you strongly disagree with?

Well, on the top end I would say Iron-Man and Winter Soldier. On the bottom end Iron-Man 2 and Thor 2. and then the rest are kind of tossed in the middle somewhere.

@JackBNimble But that's what I said, or are you saying that Iron Man and Captain America: The Winter Soldier should be lower and Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World should be higher?

I definitely think Thor 2 was worse than IM2

@DrRDizzle Well, you have Iron-Man in the middle at #6. I think it was either the best or second best of the set.

@JackBNimble I love Iron Man so much, but I also love both Avengers films, Winter Soldier, Ant Man and Guardians a lot too. It got really tough to actually order them at that end

@MikeEdenfield Iron Man 2 has one of the worst middle sections of a film I have ever seen. I despise it