Chatbot Dev

3:00 PM

@ProgramFOX As in: what are you up to?

@overactor At the error it gives? Well, I don't get an error there. Perhaps it's related to the fact that you do not use separate accounts and are using your main account while you are still in the room.

@overactor Going to make a module out of the Shadow's Den code now.

ArtOfCode

@ProgramFOX I'm still getting the error when using KarmaBot's account.

ProgramFOX

"the error"? Which one?

ArtOfCode

On $-stop or $+stop

ProgramFOX

I never get an error there, honestly. Can you post a stack trace?

user153821

3:03 PM

Bot started.

ParrotBot

Bot started.

overactor

@ProgramFOX No, I mean that it doesn't post

sure

that's a problem too

Zizouz212

What happens if there will be two bots?

ArtOfCode

C:\Users\Owen\Documents\Work\Programming\Python\Points\SE-Chatbot-master\SE-Chat
bot>C:/Python27/python.exe main.py -c "dev"
Site: stackexchange.com
Room number: 25323
<< $+stop
KeyError: '25323'
2015-07-01 15:03:17.808000 UTC
  File "main.py", line 43, in <module>
    bot.main(config_data, additional_general_config)

  File "C:\Users\Owen\Documents\Work\Programming\Python\Points\SE-Chatbot-master
\SE-Chatbot\Chatbot.py", line 154, in main
    command_out = self.command(command_in, None, None)

ProgramFOX

@overactor Yeah, I know the cause, and that is that the bot attempts to post a message after the method call but the bot dies in that call.

Zizouz212

3:04 PM

I get that error too

ProgramFOX

@ArtOfCode You'll only get that error in case your websocket is dead when you want to stop. Under normal circumstances, you shouldn't get that.

ArtOfCode

@ProgramFOX Well my socket is dead every time then

It doesn't happen when using >>stop

Just from the console

ProgramFOX

Anyway I'll take a look at ChatExchange's code, because the error leads there.

ParrotBot

Bot started.

ArtOfCode

>>listcommands

ParrotBot

3:05 PM

@ArtOfCode Commands: alive, help, listcommands, random, randomchoice, randomint, shuffle, translate, utc, xkcd, xkcdrandomnumber

ArtOfCode

>>points

ParrotBot

@ArtOfCode Command not found.

ArtOfCode

?

Thought so

Zizouz212

I've just got it started

today :)

ArtOfCode

What you planning to do with it?

Zizouz212

3:06 PM

Check out its profile :)

ParrotBot, In the Skies, Flying above...

31 5

licensing

ArtOfCode

Ah nice

So PB is our OSI bot and KB is our points bot

>>stop

ParrotBot

@ArtOfCode Bot terminated.

ArtOfCode

MWAHAHA

Zizouz212

I can stop that...

ArtOfCode

Yeah you can just remove me from the owner list, but...

Zizouz212

3:08 PM

Haha

ParrotBot

Bot started.

overactor

@ProgramFOX you do msg.reply()

ParrotBot

I can reply to messages

overactor

but if it's called from the command line msg is None, right?

how about you pass some object with a reply function?

which just prints whatever is passed to it

ParrotBot

Bot started.

ArtOfCode

3:10 PM

Obviously, replace the markdown and angle bracketed things with actual values

overactor

(erm, posts it to chat)

Zizouz212

Yeah, okay

I had something similar

Hey @ParrotBot

Hello!

Good idea. On it.

3:11 PM

I can do it if you want to

ArtOfCode

Fixing a websocket there are we?

Zizouz212

Actually, no I didn't do anything :/

ArtOfCode

No, PB. The bots fix their websockets if they break - there's something about that in the dev room

Zizouz212

Oh

Oh yeah :)

overactor

then again, this could cause trouble

Zizouz212

3:12 PM

I'll write your library on creating stars soon :) Hopefully should have it done today

ProgramFOX

Thanks, but I'm already working on it :)

overactor

because ah but wait, no

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 KB can create stars, but I need a dict of who's starred what

Zizouz212

I meant that...

But I just need to figure out how to get the post data

ArtOfCode

Speaking of which, everyone, meet the first significant version of KarmaBot.

overactor

3:14 PM

will you instantiate a new Message object and replace the reply function?

Zizouz212

Let's see :D

user153821

Bot started.

ProgramFOX

No, I'm creating a separate class which has a reply method which passes it to send_message on the room attribute of Chatbot.

Zizouz212

>>listcommands

user153821

@Zizouz212 Commands: alive, help, listcommands, points, random, randomchoice, randomint, shuffle, translate, utc, xkcd, xkcdrandomnumber

Zizouz212

3:15 PM

>>points

user153821

@Zizouz212 Not enough arguments.

Zizouz212

>>points get

user153821

@Zizouz212 1000

ProgramFOX

@ArtOfCode That error is extremely weird because there is even a check that room_id is in self.sockets...

Zizouz212

>>points get overactor

overactor

3:15 PM

@ProgramFOX You could also make one for $-

user153821

@Zizouz212 232

overactor

that on would only print

although

no, not necessary I suppose

ArtOfCode

The datafile is the same, so points from dev have carried over here

Zizouz212

What new things can it do?

overactor

or is it?

ArtOfCode

3:16 PM

same as last time it was on dev ;)

>>points star 22500536

overactor

I don't know :)

ArtOfCode

...

>>points get

ProgramFOX

Not really necessary, but makes the code a bit cleaner. And I can just reuse ConsoleCommandHandler.

ParrotBot

Bot started.

user153821

@ArtOfCode 900

ArtOfCode

3:17 PM

OK thanks KarmaBot, take my points and don't give me my star :(

trichoplax

I think that contacting organisations to say we have "launched" is premature until we know whether we will reach public beta.

ArtOfCode

>>points admin ArtOfCode 100

ParrotBot

@ArtOfCode Command not found.

user153821

@ArtOfCode Changed points for ArtOfCode by 100. New total: 1000

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Perhaps you should change your command prefix...

overactor

3:18 PM

@ProgramFOX What if people want to use other functionality of Message though?

Zizouz212

That would be a good idea...

ArtOfCode

>>points get trichoplax

user153821

@ArtOfCode 200

ArtOfCode

>>help points

trichoplax

@ArtOfCode hello

user153821

3:19 PM

@ArtOfCode Manages points. Syntax: >>points give <user> <amount> to give points, >>points get to view your points, >>points get <user> to view another user's points, >>points star <id> to star a message, and >>points pin <id> to pin a message.

ProgramFOX

There is no other functionality of Message which makes sense to be replaced in ConsoleCommandHandler. An isinstance check will be necessary and it should reject console commands.

overactor

I gotta go, i'll be back in half an hour or so

ProgramFOX

cya

overactor

good luck with things

ProgramFOX

thanks

trichoplax

3:19 PM

>>points give KarmaBot 200

user153821

@trichoplax Changed points for KarmaBot by 200. New total: 10000000000000000000199

ArtOfCode

@trichoplax evening

And no, that's not a bug

KB has 999999999999999999999 or so by default

trichoplax

@ArtOfCode I just saw "get trichoplax" and it felt like a summoning...

ArtOfCode

but now check your points

trichoplax

I gave mine away so I wouldn't have to check...

FOX 9000

3:21 PM

Bot started.

trichoplax

I have enough distractions from main as it is ;)

ArtOfCode

Ja, you now have 0

Zizouz212

>>points give admin Trichoplax 200

user153821

@Zizouz212 Invalid amount.

Zizouz212

>>points admin Trichoplax 200

trichoplax

3:21 PM

@Zizouz212 I've blocked incoming points

user153821

@Zizouz212 Changed points for Trichoplax by 200. New total: 400

Zizouz212

:)

trichoplax

What??

lol

ArtOfCode

@trichoplax blocked? How so?

Zizouz212

>>points admin Trichoplax -200

user153821

3:22 PM

@Zizouz212 Changed points for Trichoplax by -200. New total: 200

FOX 9000

Bot started.

Zizouz212

:D

trichoplax

Was joking to discourage further attempts

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 It's because of capitalisation

>>points get trichoplax

user153821

@ArtOfCode 0

trichoplax

3:22 PM

How come the "invalid amount" was still added to give a total of 400?

Zizouz212

I can make a fix for that

>> points admin trichoplax 200

user153821

@Zizouz212 Changed points for trichoplax by 200. New total: 200

FOX 9000

Bot started.

Zizouz212

I'll send a commit to the repo

ArtOfCode

@trichoplax It wasn't. The user Trichoplax started with 200 and Ziz gave him 200

FOX 9000

3:23 PM

Bot terminated.

ProgramFOX

YAY!

@overactor ^ it works :)

ArtOfCode

Whereas you, trichoplax had 0

trichoplax

Ah i see - so the non-existent user was the one the 400 applied to

ArtOfCode

Yeah

You wouldn't have had access to those 400

Zizouz212

Yep

Martijn

3:24 PM

roughly what percentage of human2bot/human2human interaction do we deem acceptable in this chat. Playing with bots is fun, and they're still pretty new now, but I'm concerned it may become off-putting

Zizouz212

I'm sending out a fix on that

ArtOfCode

@Martijn no worries, it'll settle down

Martijn

I've seen this happen before, and lead to friction, so I'm bringing it up early

ArtOfCode

A number of rooms have bots and they just become a background thing

Zizouz212

That's fine. We'll move it back to the other room (I didn't even realize we were in this room)

trichoplax

3:25 PM

I think bots in the main room are fine if they serve a purpose and are unobtrusive, otherwise they should have a room of their own

Zizouz212

@ParrotBot :D

Will definitely serve a great purpose!

ArtOfCode

and KB is here for fun :)

trichoplax

Fun is a purpose

(as long as it's fun for everyone)

ArtOfCode

On the subject, I need people's help to get KB to 100 rep so I can make her a room owner so she can pin messages

6 more upvotes are needed

trichoplax

You could use a bounty...

FOX 9000

3:26 PM

Bot started.

ProgramFOX

>>alive

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX Yes, I'm alive.

ArtOfCode

profile

ProgramFOX

>>stop

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX Bot terminated.

ArtOfCode

3:27 PM

@trichoplax That is a good point

Zizouz212

In fact...

ArtOfCode

For that, you get some points

Zizouz212

← 102 messages moved from Open Source

Martijn

\o

trichoplax

@ArtOfCode No! lol. I'm trying to avoid points

Martijn

3:34 PM

my worries might be premature, but I've seen channels (IRC in this case) where there was a useful bot, and That One Guy always playing with the bot to a lot of the other peoples mild to strong annoyances. It ended up being really divisive between other people over what measures if any should be taken, so that's why I'm sort of scared of too much noise

you never know who the next That One Guy will be

ArtOfCode

@Martijn we'll be pretty strict about that

as in 'stop playing with the bot it's annoying'

If it comes to it, we can ban people

Zizouz212

Why did you set the bounty to 7 days?

ArtOfCode

Bounties are all automatically 7 days

You can award it earlier

Zizouz212

They are?

ArtOfCode

(though not before 24 hours)

Yep

Zizouz212

3:35 PM

Interesting.

I've never really offered a bounty before so...

Well, at least my question will get some attention :D

ArtOfCode

Yeah, though people may read the bounty text and realise they're not going to get it

Zizouz212

The views, and hopefully the votes... I'll get the benefits!

ArtOfCode

True true

Though views are always relative

It's 1000 views before you get a badge for it ;)

Martijn

you're just hunting for that altruist badge, admit it.

Zizouz212

Currently, the question with the most views is this:

14

Q: How do I attract new programmers?

I am working on a project, currently by myself. It's a side project, I'm not expecting to make money on it. It's posted on GitHub, and I'm going to be building a project page for it. Once it's built, how do I get other programmers to want to contribute? I am checking in code constantly, but no o...

collaboration

With 133 views

ArtOfCode

3:39 PM

Well i might be ;)

Martijn

;P

ArtOfCode

ummm... yeah

Zizouz212

Actually not benefactor, but Investor, which he's already got :)

overactor

@ProgramFOX sweet

overactor

4:27 PM

@ArtOfCode I get no mention in the KarmaBot explanation?

See my gravatar for my reaction

overactor

4:46 PM

Bot started.

This was so much easier now that setup.bat is here.

ProgramFOX

If I knew about pip on Windows, it was there a long time ago.

overactor

@ProgramFOX, I installed it on another windows machine, much improve

Bot terminated.

ArtOfCode

@overactor I'll add you, don't worry

overactor

\o/

Bot started.

Bot terminated.

user153821

5:14 PM

@overactor check my profile now

overactor

Bot started.

Bot terminated.

@KarmaBot atta girl

ArtOfCode

There's a lot of starting and terminating going on here...

overactor

@ArtOfCode Yeah, I'm implementing something that has to do with logging in

@ProgramFOX namely, that you can retry entering your password twice and it doesn't show a stacktrace if it fails

ProgramFOX

oh, nice!

ArtOfCode

Am I meant to be notified of flags..?

ProgramFOX

5:19 PM

you have 10k network rep, so yes

ArtOfCode

oooh that's why is it

I wondered for a moment xD

Hey! I'm back!

Hey there!

Hi!

Get ready, I've got a question nomination system on my bot!

ArtOfCode

5:20 PM

oh god

Zizouz212

:D

ParrotBot

Bot started.

Zizouz212

>> nominate opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/504/…

ParrotBot

@Zizouz212 Command not found.

ArtOfCode

@ParrotBot wazzup

Zizouz212

5:21 PM

-_-

>>stop

ParrotBot

@Zizouz212 Bot terminated.

overactor

@Zizouz212 is that space intended?

Zizouz212

well...

ArtOfCode

That worked out :)

Zizouz212

I didn't even add the command...

ArtOfCode

5:22 PM

@overactor the space doesn't matter

Zizouz212

stupid me...

overactor

@ArtOfCode makes sense

Hi everyone who returned by the way

Zizouz212

Oh, KeyError now...

ArtOfCode

room topic changed to Chatbot Dev: Discussion of development of chatbots for the SE chat network [chatbots] [code-problems] [stack-traces]

Zizouz212

Also, @ArtOfCode Thanks for the bounty. I'm got two up votes since then :)

ArtOfCode

5:24 PM

heh, free promotion

Zizouz212

I'm still a long way from you though...

ArtOfCode

Yeah, I shot ahead while you weren't looking

I got 220 ish yesterday

Zizouz212

My rep from the first day... 248, 213, 226, 155, 110, 103, 89, 53, 68 (today)

I've just been going down and down...

I've been focusing on other things way too much...

overactor

Nah, voting has just gone down

ArtOfCode

Well you haven't exactly been absent from here

Zizouz212

5:27 PM

I haven't answered or asked anything for a while...

ArtOfCode

Yeah but you've been editing away

Zizouz212

lol

It's not like you get rep from that...

ArtOfCode

No but it means you're visibly participating

Zizouz212

I guess

user153821

Bot started.

ArtOfCode

5:29 PM

ping

@ProgramFOX pushed

nice, thanks!

How's Parrot doing?

@ArtOfCode 5 reviews for KarmaBot?

opensource.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/478

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Yeah, me forgetting which account I'm on :)

Zizouz212

5:40 PM

opensource.stackexchange.com/review/close/398

You even disagree with KarmaBot on this one!

Don't worry, I caught myself voting with my parrot sidekick a couple times...

ArtOfCode

Bloody hell these flags D: I didn't think there were this many...

Zizouz212

lol

ArtOfCode

whoops

3 flags in the past half-hour

I assume I don't have to deal with them, but still

Zizouz212

Do you get a bug where you click log off but it doesn't always log off?

ArtOfCode

It's not a bug, it's bad design. The page you're taken to when you log out automatically logs you back in

Zizouz212

5:43 PM

Seriously?

ArtOfCode

Yep

'S what happens to me anyway

Zizouz212

Oh well

ArtOfCode

← 1 message moved from Open Source

Anyway, how's Parrot?

Zizouz212

He's growing...

I screwed up the nominations, but it's going well

ArtOfCode

Good :)

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