Exercise 17.21 of The TeXbook asks a question concerning \delcode:
Appendix B defines \delcode‘< so that there is a shorthand notation for angle
brackets. Why do you think Appendix B doesn’t go further and define \delcode‘{?
(quotation from that source). The first sentence of the answer...
It is not OCR, it is from a manuscript sent to a journal and even typeset by an expert. I just think think the expert did not double check. I'm taking the abstracts etc and converting them into something we can post online, and my script complained that it did not know what to do with \u{c}, rightly so it seems. Hmm, the person also go \c{E} wrong, that should have been \k{E}.
Hmm, my typo meant \c{A}, shouldn't that be \k{A}? Ever seen \c{A}?
Most are either vic or vič.
The cedille like stuff on capital vowels in (I assume) Polish names, aren't that \k? Seems the first author did not know how the co authors was typeset correctly.
Hehe, it is, I found the co authors affiliation, it is\k, but it is written incorrect in the material we have been sent. Sigh....
@DavidCarlisle, but why can't it detect it it self? We had to ask the guy who prepares the file to tell us the encoding, none of my programmes on Linux could correctly detect it.
@daleif use \= for all accenty things and assume the reader will assume a slope or curve or whatever according to context. (English approach to accents:-)
@daleif is it sufficiently different that interpreting it as latin 1 is obviously wrong? in general it's not possible to automatically distinguish 8bit encodings is it?
Anyone know the compose key combination on Linux to do \k{A}?
@DavidCarlisle I have to convert it into UTF8, and it kept going wrong over an over again. But once we knew that it was CP850 I could pipe it through iconv and it works just fine.
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At least nowadays nano is installed by default on most systems so one can do fast changes without having to to leam vi. I only know the command to exit that strange programme.
@Seamus Talking about editors, I remembered this quote about vi: Q: How to generate a random string? A: Put a fresh student in front of vi and tell him to quit.
@JosephWright I'm using the OWE webmail. I could use Thudnerbird, but there is not really official support for it and no official support for the calendar. Even though some colleague have set up some kind of converter somewhere. I've just decided to live with it
@daleif At one point our lot (IT) had turned off IMAP/SMTP but that's been reversed. I've used DavMail in the past to get access via the web back end but there are some cheap-but-commercial plugins for TB that do the job without needing that. On my Mac at home things are smoother as I use the Mac calender (but still TB of course)
@daleif My non-work e-mail has a poorer webmail than the Office365 one and in any case I much prefer a proper client. So I put the effort in. Of course, the official position is to use Outlook.
@JosephWright which is known to work 100% correctly on Windows. Even some of our secretaries had to switch from Mac to Windows because some of the calendar features did not work correctly in Outlook for Mac.
@DavidCarlisle, interestingly gedit can open this strange file so what correctly. While Emacs cannot. (did I jsut see a flying pig somewhere)
@daleif -- what's the author's first name, and if you can give more information on the citation, i can come up with a bibtex-coded item from mathscinet. there are 7 or 8 bazilevices, with various accents on the c (mostly \v or \') so i need to narrow it down. unfortunately, "bazilevic functions" is not a key word in the math subject classification, so i can't use that to narrow it down.
It doesn't really matter the issue have already been sent to the Printer in the Netherlands. We had a look back in the original article (before reformatting) and it was written wrongly in there as well. It just grab the title, authors and abstract. In the abstract I found "Also, we consider conditions that are sufficient for a function to be a Bazilevi˘c function.", where it said c with a breve.
It seems to be related to convex functions
I've found an AMS article with the same author from 1969 with a similar title where it is written as vič.
@daleif c with breve is just a mistake. I remember Steve Grathwohl (working for the University of North Carolina Press) mentioning he had to typeset that character too, in a Croatian name (can’t remember what the name was).
@ArthurReutenauer Also my thought. Seems people just think, ok TeX can make it, surely it is correct. They might not realize there is a difference between \c{E} and Ȩ (I'm not even sure that is the correct utf8 char)
@egreg On the multiple primitive name business: 1) The LaTeX team are having some discussions re. LuaTeX naming and 2) Next expl3 release will cover all of this with me doing the work in l3names so for the user they'll all have at least a single \<engine>_name:D name.
@JosephWright I was wondering about commenting that it's wrong place to raise package issues... yes class option or I guess loading color first would work, but making hyperref not do that doesn't seem unreasonable
@Canageek That's surely possible for technical topics, where the language is very controlled. I can easily read algebra texts in Romanian, for instance.
@Canageek I think Italian and Spanish are too languages that Portuguese speakers can at least try, they share a lot of similar phrasal constructions. :)
If I happen to be first to a "new user" I often add a "welcome to tex.sx" comment, but have never linked to the page and I agree with percusse that the "if you wish to familiarize yourself with our format." in one of the boilerplate comments does have negative connotations.
Really I don't think ...
The háček is called “small roof” in Slovenian (strešica). And the origin of the word caron, that’s used in English for the same sign, is really unclear.
Also, the at sign is called something like ape or monkey in Polish and Slovenian (apa and afna respectively, if I’m not mistaken). During one of his talks at the last BachoTeX, Grzegorz Murzynowksi actually called the at sign “ape” in English several times :-)
@Paulo My only source of information about chancho is a documentary I saw about swine flu in Argentina half a dozen years ago. But Wiktionary seems to confirm: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chancho
This seems to be a bug in the longtable package. Here is a minimal example that replicates the behaviour:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[paperheight=18\baselineskip]{geometry}% Just for this example
\usepackage[nopar]{lipsum}% Just for this example
\usepackage{longtable}
\begin{document...
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I'm not totally convinced by this change but if I add it to Werner's example the rule on page 2 goes..
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[paperheight=18\baselineskip]{geometry}% Just for this example
\usepackage[nopar]{lipsum}% Just for this example
\usepackage{longtable}
\makeatletter
\def\...
How can I generate a title similar to the St. Louis FED review Journal. Please see the link here for their last http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/article/10381 piece.
Thank you very much,
@Canageek Unless you say similar in what respect, it is anybody's guess. The answer could be \title{Monetary Policy Normalization in the United States}... \maketitle. That would certainly produce a similar title!
@Canageek No idea. 'Literally similar' doesn't mean anything to me. 'Similar' means resembles in some respect or has some significant feature in common. But it doesn't have to be to do with the appearance. Two books can be similar despite looking entirely different. Two people can be similar in terms of personality despite looking radically different.
@cfr The standard orthography of Slovenian just has the one accent on three consonants (č, š and ž), but the specialised orthographies used in some dictionaries and for dialects is just crazy. It has six different accents (all on vowels), including two that are used only for Slovenian and some related language(s).
@Canageek If it is obvious to you, great. It isn't obvious to me. You pick out blue background and right justified. What about the size, font and distance from top of page? What about the page margins? The weight and style? Even just the appearance, there's a bunch of different things it might mean.
@cfr @Canageek “Literally similar” sounds pleonastic. The only way I can understand it is as “identical”, but using “similar” sounds like you don’t want to say that it’s identical.
@ArthurReutenauer -- i've got a nice book, "manual of foreign languages", copyright 1952, but that was the 4th edition, and it looks like it started way earlier. it has a 4-page summary of diacritical marks and the languages that use them. if you'd like, i could try to get you a good scan of those 4 pages. interested?
Wow that was weird. Couldn't load any stack site, even chat wouldn't load.
Looking at the discussion above, I wonder if the OPs know even slightly how much thinking and interpretation has to be done to make sense of some qustions :-)
@ArthurReutenauer Man, you guys seem really obtuse to me today. It seems obvious if I gave someone a title page of a book and said "I'd like to make a page similar to this" I'd assume one that looked like this.
@ArthurReutenauer That wasn't meant as an insult, and I don't know how to make a light blue box in LaTeX or I would have. I'm not an expert like you guys.
@Canageek Calling people you don’t know obtuse? Using excuses such as “I’m not an expert” to avoid helping people? If I didn’t know better I would call you names too.
@ArthurReutenauer I literally don't know how to answer that question, or I would have done it.
@ArthurReutenauer And yes, everyone here is being frustratingly dense over what looks to me to be a really simple question. Right aligned, space at the top, bottom and middle, and a blue box.
@ArthurReutenauer If I knew how to put a light-blue box into LaTeX I'd have done it already, but I could only shade the whole thing, centered, not left-offcenter.
@ArthurReutenauer So yes, Stop being so high and mighty about unclear wording, and try and help people like this place normally does. I'm frustrated since this is normally one of the most helpful places around, and you guys are acting like Reddit or something
@Canageek I don’t know how to help that user, that’s all. If you think you can, just do it. If you have some questions yourself, just ask them. But don’t accuse others of not trying to help.
@ArthurReutenauer Fair. Sorry, I should have been more clear I was talking to the chat in general. I did my best to help the usefer by editing their question several times and inserting an image of the title they asked about instead of a link
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@ArthurReutenauer I'd politely disagree on that point.
@ArthurReutenauer I would like to apologize for any offence taken form obtuse though. English is lacking in polite ways to tell people you think they are wrong.
@Canageek seems to be OK to me: the question was very unclear and got a few close votes on that basis, now it's been edited and is clearer, and at no point was it closed. Seems like the site working well, it happens that the question is clearer as you guessed with the OP wanted and fixed it, but that's OK.
@DavidCarlisle It just felt like people were telling me my edits were unclear, and I felt that the question didn't really need them in the first place.
@Johannes_B Interesting, but it doesn’t surprise me at all that people would (not) understand that particular question in different ways. This is typically a matter of taste.
@Johannes_B In the case of the Federal Reserve of St. Louis review I would focus on the fonts (because I think Myriad and especially Minion are quite nice), but I don’t think that’s what the user wants.
@ArthurReutenauer I haven't even looked at the question in detail cause my machine was lagging like hell. As to the colored boxes, i hear tcolorbox and mdframed are quite nice. <- @Canageek
@DavidCarlisle Never seen a merge before. Let's ask @JosephW about it.
@Johannes_B But the disagreement is not about what the question means. Or rather that disagreement is moot. Those who claim they don’t understand the question obviously can’t do anything anyway. The ball is entirely in the camp of those who claim to understand the question. Hence my main objection is that these people should post an answer, not just say state “it’s obvious what the user wants”.
@ArthurReutenauer We had this discussion before. If you read a bit further the chat transcript i linked, you see a few of my thoughts on that.
@ArthurReutenauer Looking at the unasnwered questions, there are a few where i really don't understand what the matter is. Apparently nobody else did, it is unanswered. But there is no comment asking for details. That is what troubles me.
@Johannes_B It’s a little sad, but that doesn’t disturb me at all. Unfortunately we can’t address all the problems in the world. There are only 24 hours in the day.
@ArthurReutenauer Completely agree with you here, but still ... Asking for details costs you a minute of typing. The user could have gotten a solution, but nobody seemed to care (Might be what an OP thinks).
@Johannes_B No it doesn’t cost a minute of typing. If you actually want to help someone, you have to be ready to spend much more time than that - first trying to actually understand what the person means (not what they write), explain how you think you understand the question, be ready to react to follow-up comments, and eventually answer the question (hopefully). Say 15-30 minutes if you’re optimistic; more realistically several hours (counting the time not spent doing other things).
@Johannes_B Personally I don’t mind spending that time (not sure why, by the way), but it means you can only answer about one unclear question a day - probably less than that in practice. And sometimes when I know I won’t have the time, I just give up.
@Johannes_B So the obvious consequence is that people ignore these unclear questions, consciously or not, and look like they “don’t care”, if you will. It seems very natural to me. That’s human nature. It would be nice to be able to change that aspect of it, but I for sure have no idea how to do it :-)
@ArthurReutenauer Once again, agreeing with you. Chances are, that after the OP clarified the question i realize i cannot answer it, i don't have the skills. But now that it is clear what the question is really about, someone with the skills can jump in and answer. Sometimes i leave a request for clarification even though i know i will shut down my laptop in two minutes because i have an appointment. I just assume that by adding details, the question will be easier to answer for others.
@Johannes_B Hum, I’m not so sure we are in agreement. The general issue I outline above has nothing to do with not begin technically able to answer the question yourself. It’s about starting a dialogue with the OP. I also think that a quick request for clarification is mostly useless (since it doesn’t really initiate a discussion).
@ArthurReutenauer I have to add that i try to check every one or two days alll questions i left comments at. Check if there ae news, upvote answers if any. Most new users don't know about the @-ping, so i don't get notified when details come up.
@Johannes_B Yes, I try to do that myself, too. How does it work for you? In my case I find it’s mostly fruitless: the user just doesn’t really react to comments and questions.
@ArthurReutenauer Once again, agreement. Sorry @percusse, have to be bad for a moment. The site is about questions, and answers. Ever tried starting a discussion in comments? The system will get mad and ask you to drag this to chat. Not in a classical forum, discussing can be done there in a very relaxed mood. No need for twitter-like character limits.
@Johannes_B Well, if you agree with what I just wrote, you must see that the logically conclusion is that it’s physically impossible for people to address more than about one unclear question a day :-)
@Johannes_B Oh thanks, I didn’t notice the arrow before, it’s very pale grey on white in my browser window.
@ArthurReutenauer As a moderator in two classical discussion forums, i encounter quite a few questions. But it seems that asking there for clarification leads to better response. Almost every question can be answered quite quickly by the helpers.
@cfr Generally about how accents are used in orthographies. But it’s probably way too much work.
@Johannes_B Well, that may be the nature of TeX & co :-) And the SX format doesn’t really help actually - a classical forum, or email, works better to have a discussion, of course.
@ArthurReutenauer Some helpers on SE sites are like stressed out MacDonalds people. You don't know what you want. Get back at the end of the line and try again. Reading that you couldn't judge my tone when i am thinking that (we don't know in person). Doing support stressed, no good idea. Take a break instead. Well, this is addressing a completely different matter.
@Johannes_B Generally there’s the issue that TeX attracts an extremely large variety of people (amazingly large, actually), so the basic expectation of one user may differ widely from that of another. In fact, I’ve had interaction with people where it was not only hard to understand where they came from - which can usually be solved in a finite amount of time - but where they also wanted a specific type of answer. Which didn’t work, so you couldn’t really help me.
@Johannes_B I don’t go to McDonald’s, but I think I know what you mean. Anyway, good night, let’s continue that conversation some other time.
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This seems to be a bug in the longtable package. Here is a minimal example that replicates the behaviour:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[paperheight=18\baselineskip]{geometry}% Just for this example
\usepackage[nopar]{lipsum}% Just for this example
\usepackage{longtable}
\begin{document...
How can I generate a title similar to the St. Louis FED review Journal. Please see the link here for their last http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/article/10381 piece.
Thank you very much,
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