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12:00 AM
...can people undelete their chat messages? That's something I've been curious about
 
I don't think so
mods can, obviously
 
Aye
 
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Q: What is the effect of falling to your death in Metroid Prime 3?

JoshIn Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, what happens when you fall to your death? I've done it many, many, many times and I just seem to pick up when I left off... I think I lose energy, but I'm not sure? Does it count as a continue? (Does the game even track the number of times I have continued after dy...

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Q: In World of Goo, how do you get OCD on "Impale Sticky"?

JoshThe "Impale Sticky" level of World of Goo is so difficult! How in the world is it possible to get OCD on this level??? I can barely get the minimum goo balls required to beat the level!

 
12:25 AM
@Feeds Oh this is a good one... a wrong answer... and an answer that is fundamentally correct, but answers in the negative when the question as asked would designate the content of his answer to be affirmative... :/
Where art thou reading comprehension?
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah, I noticed that too. And now all answers, including yours, have been down voted..
Seems a bit extreme given that whoever it was didn't leave an explanation of any kind.
Ah, I see now. :P
 
 
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2:03 AM
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Q: World of Warcraft - How does one's fishing level relate to what he catch and when he catches it?

Brian OjedaAlong with Blizzard's 3.1 release for World of Warcraft, there were changes that effect how one fishes in Azeroth and Outland. Where before, there were both a minimum and a no-get-away level for each zone. However, that was removed with the release of the 3.1 patch. After the patch, one can fish ...

 
2:57 AM
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Q: Are there any new CRT Gaming monitors?

MGOwenFor quite a few years after LCDs came out, high-end CRTs were still better for gaming (no native res, faster response times, better colours and contrast). I occasionally hear about people still buying high-end gaming CRT's, but can't find any such thing for sale online. Do CRT's still have thei...

 
 
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4:45 AM
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Q: Forza 3 level-capped races?

MichaelI stopped playing Forza 2 as soon as I realized that I just had to mod my car until it was waaaay faster than the other cars in any given race. Did Forza 3 change anything in that area? Specifically, does it force you to only use cars in a certain range of performance? Thanks.

 
5:30 AM
oh snap. There's a Lego.SE proposal. Sign. Me. Up.
 
5:43 AM
I considered committing to that one, but then realized I wasn't actually sure what questions could be asked. :(
 
 
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6:51 AM
plz 2 send teh lego
 
I should answer that Forza question, but I don't fully remember...
Since it's been a few months since I forgot to keep playing.
 
7:09 AM
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Q: How to Handle Colossi + High Templar as Zerg

YgamI find the combo of high templar, stalker, colossi really hard to handle especially if I went roaches, hydras, lings and a measly number of corruptors. Is my only option a different build order, or is there some sort of a "highly professional" maneuvering I can do to somehow overcome that Protos...

 
7:48 AM
 
Now, that's a diagram the world didn't need.
 
...Wow
 
8:10 AM
@Mana The list of better people than you is much shorter than you think. I think you could do a good job as mod
 
Whatever, we all need to nominate ourselves so that we can then vote the bonus character instead.
 
@tzenes Yeah, for instance, I'm not on it.
I would make a terrible mod!
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I've found my 2nd choice!
By the theorem that the best mods don't want mod
 
I"d vote for you less
 
Where's that old William Sherman quote when I need it...
Also, I clearly don't have time to be a mod as evidenced by how little I've been around this week, what with Operation Poopsock in full swing.
 
8:19 AM
haha we used to call it poop socking too
 
@tzenes that's a slang term that goes back to everquest at least
got our first two raid boss kills tonight
 
never played
 
And we're back down to US 19th. :( Need to fix that this weekend.
 
what server do you play on?
 
Ysera
(They maded a new Armory. It's shiny. And it even has WoWHead and WoWpedia support built in now.)
 
8:27 AM
also tells me when you're missing enchantments
 
@tzenes Yep.
Helm enchant is because I will have the rep for a good one when dailies reset in the morning. Ring and cloak is because blue shards are still expensive and better used buying patterns.
 
"Chance to add 1710 agility" WTF?
 
@tzenes mudflation is absolutely massive
 
I see that
 
I have 100k hp
I am a rogue.
I have 10 times the health my main tank had back in karazhan
I have 2x the health my tank had for heroic lich king
I have 20 times the health my tank had for ragnaros
 
8:33 AM
its getting kind of stupid
at least they dealt with the talent point problem
 
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Q: The "Poster Boy" of SE Sites

Ngu Soon HuiOut of so many SE sites, which sites do you consider as "poster boy" sites? Apparently not all sites are equally successful. The reason I ask this is because I want to be able to be convinced that SE 2.0 concept is a success.

 
9:14 AM
@LessPop_MoreFizz That's a stupid amount of health and I don't even know what game you're talking about
Now you must make a macro out of it.
 
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Q: What are the three attack combos for Infinity Blade?

bentfordThere are three attack combos in Infinity Blade: 3x, 4x, 5x. 3x combo is RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT. Does anybody know the other two?

 
> Gained 10 reputation for Is Portal Worth Getting?
It kinda feels like cheating now.
 
 
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10:39 AM
lol 100k hp, you must be able to solo Prince then @LessPopMoreFizz
 
10:53 AM
ola @GraceNote, I pinned your meta question on SU chat
 
Hi @Ivo, and thanks!
 
next time I'll just ask for you guys opinion before migrating
 
We'll be sure to do the same. Which, speaking of which, could you double check the SU examples we have marked in the migration suggestions thread?
 
11:45 AM
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Q: how to do this?

in chobots how do I teleport myself in the mod HQ another name is locsecret

 
12:03 PM
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Q: Game with robots with lamp in head glowing green when user-controlled

Adrian PanasiukWhat game it is that there are robots which have a lamp in the head which glows green iff it is being controlled by a user and it glows red if it is AI controlled?

 
 
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Q: Why is the first tag sometimes in the <title> tag of some questions?

JoshI searched through Meta and couldn't find an answer to this. I was reviewing my questions this morning and I noticed that in certain questions like What is the effect of falling to your death in Metroid Prime 3, the <title> tag on that page shows: metroid prime corruption - What is the ...

 
@Mana They're making a site for one specific game?
 
Go needs a site for itself.
It's veeeery detailed and full of problems to solve and think about.
You could probably make an entire SE site out of just life-and-death in Go.
 
nuh
 
ye
 
1:15 PM
nah
 
oh k
 
I wanted to say "nuh" again, but the abuse detector wouldn't let me.
 
haha
The abuse detector shouldn't let you say anything :P
Anyways, I'm going to go grab some breakfast. I'll talk to you later, maaaaaaan.
 
1:30 PM
heh
> NO PURCHASE NECESSARY. Void where prohibited by law. Eligibility: Entry open to any user holding a Steam account in good standing, with a Wish List containing at least ten (10) single game titles. No payment is required; a Steam account may be established without purchase.
Objective for day 2:
> Friends with Benefits: Have 10 friends on your friends list
ruh roh, you need to purchase something (or have something gifted) to have 10 friends
although on the same day you can unlock an entry by merely subjecting yourself to some of the awfulness of The Undergarden Demo, which is free.
 
Not necessarily
You can get people to add you, in which case you'll be able to accept
 
@Mana oh?
 
Yeah man.
 
I think I remember reports of people trying to be added and failing for this reason.
At any rate -- I've already won the lottery
why am I bothering?
 
well...the fact still stands that I have friends and have bought no games
 
1:45 PM
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Q: World of Warcraft - An add-on that changes the Blizzard's font...?

Brian OjedaWhat is an add-on that will change Blizzard's font, both size and type, in World of Warcraft. It has to effect both the built-in Combat Scrolling Text and speech bubble. It has to be an add-on that only changes the font. Not one that will replace Blizzards Combat Scrolling Text. The reason I don...

 
2:20 PM
By the by, should we go through the old ITG questions and close the ones that are too broad?
 
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Q: What is the optimum pattern to place crops in Minecraft?

Jonathan DrainWhat factors affect soil hydration and crop growth time? What is the most efficient layout of dirt and water to grow crops?

 
@Mana That would bump them
Until community doesn't bump them for you don't touch them.
 
Makes sense.
 
... why is my Armory link starred?
 
Because it's an awesome character/we want to humiliate you.
 
2:29 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Good point, let me pin it instead.
 
@Mana both of these are likely true!
...
You will rue this day @badp. RUE.
 
Ran Ran Rue?
 
Meh, I thought it's a cool character you have there and I starred it.
Sue me to Mars, or learn how to pin and unpin messages.
 
@badp Well, I've already learned option b, so I guess I'll go with option a!
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz If you have mastered option B then you don't get to proceed to option A!
 
2:32 PM
 
If you want it unstarred you know where the button is.
 
I don't really care whether it's starred or not, I just find it baffling. :P
 
I hope you appreciated my explanation then :P
Does WoW really put a red (!) near merely unenchanted items?
 
hmm
how would I search through all the questions marked unanswered which have at least one answer?
 
@badp not in game, but on the armory yes.
 
2:40 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz What a tease.
 
@badp: Unanswered includes questions which have answers with no upvotes
not just questions with unaccepted answers
 
then you can't from the vanilla site itself.
 
:(
I see.
 
...and while this technically can be done via the api I don't know of any app that does that.
Also because it'd be a very expensive API search.
Like, ridiculously expensive.
Like, insane.
Like, fetch all questions on a site.
Like, no, just no.
See what you did there? You horrible person.
 
wh
what
 
2:46 PM
@badp Good. I hate unicorns.
 
@LessPopMoreFizz That's why your MSO reputation is rubbish! :P
 
WTF chat.
@badp I thoguht my MSO rep was rubbish because I don't participate.
 
Unless you hate unicorns because you prefer Narwhals.
then it's fine.
 
Has anyone played this game?
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Q: Hint for Trainyard level "Three Below"

Mag RoaderFollowing in the vein of this question, I am having trouble with the Trainyard level "Three Below" (located under Bonus Levels, in Toronto). Many of my attempts end up with the Blue trains 1 square away from the Red/Yellow trains, so I can't merge them. Other times, I break it down into left h...

 
@LessPop_MoreFizz And you don't participate because you'd hate such exposure to unicorns and free handed circles and leftside-right smileys.
 
2:49 PM
nvm, found a walkthrough
 
3:00 PM
@badp: Did you ever figure this out?
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Q: What do you do after the Jelly in Crawl Sprint I: "Red Sonja"?

badp âš  Spoilers ahead My usual route around the first part of the level is: (× mark doors that get me killed) Stairs → Ijyb → Ogre → Sigmund → Gold → Giant amoeba × Kobold demonologists → MORE FUN GOES HERE ↕ ↓ Gold Gold Items ...

 
@Mana Yay for Go.SE!
 
:D hi-fives @sjohns
I saw you signed up for it earlier, which made me realize that people on here might be interested
 
I love that game, I just wish I had more people to play with
 
Isn't Go now a duplicate of board games?
 
3:03 PM
playing online feels so impersonal
 
I mean, you play it on a board, right? :P
 
Go deserves a SE site to itself, to be honest.
 
I believe it is a sub-domain which is (A) able to sustain it's own site and (B) capable of building its own community. Many people play go, but do not play other board games. Like chess. Grand master chess players probably aren't all that interested in monopoly strategies. Likewise with Go.
 
@sjohnston that's not good enough for Area51 really...
Many people program Python and do not touch VBA with a ten feet long pole.
That doesn't mean you make an SE for VBA!
ducks
 
3:06 PM
:(
I'm surprised, in that case, that Go hasn't been closed as a duplicate of board games
 
@Mana So am I... gonna flag it! :P
 
:<
 
...using the link you gave me!
 
I understand that argument. The problem is that the Board Games site isn't going to attract Go enthusiasts. Thus, I will get no Go + SE action, and I will be sad
 
oh maaaaaaaaaaaaan
I was looking forward to seeing Jin do a Go SE site design too
it would look so nice with all the white black and brown
 
3:10 PM
@sjohnston If you close the Go proposal telling people to use an existing site instead... well it may be a good impulse to tell people to stop waiting and start asking and answering instead.
 
Well, I guess I would argue that the Linux, Unix, Ubuntu thing proves that a distinct community is adequate reason for a separate site. And I still think that the broad nature of Board Games is unlikely to attract the hardcore Go audience that is required to answer moderately difficult questions with any level of quality.
 
@sjohnston I'd try and start get the ball rolling on Board games.
 
Wow. Before I perused the English Language and Usage site, I had no idea how passionately people hate Strunk and White
 
Take Gaming, it's a really wide topic, but we're managing to cover ground in an okayish way so far
 
@sjohnston Strunk and White is poison.
 
3:21 PM
ha
 
you mean "correction fluid"?
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz knowing you, I'm not sure if that's a legitimate opinion, or just an effort to stir controversy
 
@sjohnston In this case it's a legitimate opinion. I really don't like strunk and white.
 
I didn't mind having the option to correct mistakes on paper without having to strike out stuff.
 
@badp ...
 
3:23 PM
Although I only really used it when I stroke out so much that it was all an unreadable mess of corrections and correction corrections.
 
1 min ago, by badp
you mean "correction fluid"?
 
@badp No.
 
oh.
I thought "Strunk and White" it was just the English translation of "scolorina" :P
after all correction fluid is white and Strunk sounds like "strike".
"strike through in white"
no eh?
oh well.
 
@sjohnston My own issue primarily comes with the fact that I feel the Passive Voice is important and useful, and I very nearly failed freshman English with a professor who would dock points for every instance of the passive voice, even when legitimately used.
(i.e. when the actor is unknown or irrelevant to the story.)
 
3:31 PM
You know, I can't even come up with an example of passive voice right now.
 
"The bill was paid by an anonymous benefactor"
 
...an example of passive voice now can be thought of by me.
 
from lesspop's link
ah, there you go
 
although that's not truly it
 
@lesspop That sounds like a problem with your professor slavishly adhering to a rule he does not properly understand.
 
3:33 PM
You've got an extra now in there, @badp
 
@sjohnston Yes, that's exactly what the problem is.
 
removed
 
@Mana Fixed.
 
I guess I understand why the dictatorial delivery of the book could irritate
 
And the reason said professor did so, was because Strunk & White is gospel to a certain segment of educators.
Hence my statement that S&W is poison.
It is a corrupting influence destroying our language from the inside.
 
3:34 PM
It is weird that they are important enough to have a badge named after them...
 
@badp It's not weird. There's a reason for it.
Strunk & White is widely identified as the style manual.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz It's the only badge dedicated to people...
 
But I also find that most of the rules, when applied reasonably, can be quite useful. I've seen lots of bad writing where I could specifically problems referenced by S&W. I have seen many examples of the "stupid" form of passive. Even though the article you linked seems to think that nobody is that dumb
 
It's just unfortunate that it's such a horrible one.
 
Well, it's a good thing that Italians are taught to try and avoid passive voice at any rate. Sentences can be long and convoluted in Italian. :P
 
3:36 PM
@sjohnston It's not so much that the article thinks nobody is that dumb - it's that the article thinks that anyone that dumb isn't going to actually learn how to properly get better at it from S&W, because even S&W can't properly identify the passive voice.
 
It is certainly atrocious that any educator would propose a <100 page book as anything near a complete education in style OR grammar, let alone both
Examples like "The bill was paid by me" are passive voice, and they do come up. What S&E neglect to mention is that there are useful examples as well. And that is a problem.
 
I even think that "The bill was paid by me" could work well in certain dramatic contexts
with heavy emphasis on the "by me" part
 
@Mana uh, that's what the article says.
> For me to report that I paid my bill by saying "The bill was paid by me," with no stress on "me," would sound inane.
 
oh
 
Is this slashdot by any chance? People ignoring the fine article and all that?
 
3:39 PM
Anyway, I think the book can be useful. It is also apparently abused more than I was previously aware. I do not think it quite deserves the quantity of rage leveled at it. (Nor do I really understand directing any quantity of rage at a book).
 
@sjohnston It's not just that, it's that S&E does a shitty job of informing people of what the passive voice is
 
@badp hey, hey, no need to be that harsh.
 
As the article points out, it gives 4 examples of the passive voice.
Only one of which actually IS passive.
> "The reason that he left college was that his health became impaired"
 
@badp Besides, I didn't read the article, I was just commenting.
 
IMPAIR IS NOT A VERB HBSAHJVDSHJVDS
 
3:41 PM
@Mana Just asking, I've been a regular on /. and nobody reads the fine article there
I didn't complain and merely adapted :)
@LessPop_MoreFizz Don't impair your health on that man, it isn't worth it.
@Mana That's exactly what everybody (including me) does on /.
The article is probably incorrect and biased and incomplete anyway.
/. is about the comments.
 
True.
By the way, am I the only one who's a little troubled by the Atheists proposal on Area51?
Like...I'm not really much into religion myself but there were a lot of comments from people who committed which sounded more than just a little bit inflamatory
 
Atheists on the internet? Confrontional? WELL I NEVER.
 
Did you people start an argument without me?
:(
 
Well, yeah, I'm not really surprised much, just a bit concerned as to how that might reflect on the SE network.
 
4:00 PM
Don't forget the Skeptic Exchange proposal.
... both of them. (?)
 
huh.
 
yeah, I noticed there were two of those
 
Oh well, I guess we'll see what happens. I just don't want people who are religious seeing Atheism at the footer of each site and thinking that we as a network are against religious people.
 
there are also christianity and biblical study proposals, which could displease the athiests
There's really no winning when people are hell-bent to be intolerant of each other
 
I think the kind of people who would actually be offended seeing "atheism" in the footer would be equally offended by seeing "math", "physics", or "astronomy", which is to say, screw 'em.
 
4:09 PM
Well, yeah. I would have brought up the same concern if Christianity were about to enter the beta stage
 
And let's not even get started on Jewish Life & Learning. :P
Also, The SE Tavern is that way yadda yadda off topic pedantry
 
The on-topic and off-topic example questions don't really convince me that the atheism site is going to work all that well as a stack exchange. Although I guess I feel like most subjective topics don't work that well as a stack exchange.
 
4:45 PM
The key difference between Atheism.se and a christianity or judaism.se
is that the latter two have distinct lifestyles, cultures, rituals and observances about which one can ask objective questions, and get objective answers, before you even get into textual discussion.
Atheism by contrast, is basically just an invitation for threadshitting and flame wars from day one, and doesn't really fill any sort of void in the Q&A sense.
Whereas, I could for instance, see a very successful, if niche, Q&A site built around trying to hammer out the details of Jewish observance and answering questions about the application of talmudic law, preperation for festivals, etc. etc.
I don't think a no religion (or lack thereof) rule is the worst solution to the problem that an atheists.se poses, but the fact is that the problems posed by a proposal for an atheists site are in some ways unique to it, relative to other religious proposals, all of which have substantial room for content that does not grapple with the issues of an atheism site.
 
Hello
Is this a place where I can talk about WoW?
 
@Chacha102 Sure
or anything else gaming related
or stack exchange related
 
Hullo Chacha!
waves
 
... or, apparently, atheism.
 
well...we weren't really talking about atheism directly so much.
 
4:56 PM
Here is my quick introduction:
Chacha102, San Diego, California
16.6k 3 17 41
 
More just the idea of an atheism SE site.
 
Nice.
You seem like a pretty chill guy, lots of cool interests.
 
I've been around here awhile. I created the first and most popular General Chatroom on StackExchange :) chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/89/the-tavern-general
 
Nice!
 
4:59 PM
But, enough about me ..
more about:
 
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