The 2nd Monitor

4:13 PM

-1

I need solution to problem 477 in Project Euler. The problem statement can be found here https://projecteuler.net/problem=477

janos

^^^ nuke it from orbit

Jamal

Done

Ethan Bierlein

Rember though, do your retrograde burn over the right location... :)

Otherwise you migh accidentally bomb SO instead..

janos

the right location in this case would be a black hole

Jamal

But if just the garbage posts get wiped out, then everyone wins.

Lyle's Mug

4:23 PM

I wish I were writing code right now

janos

I wish you were too

2

Lyle's Mug

I hate Wal-Mart right now...lol

How is everyone else's day going?

janos

you packing sodas again?

Jamal

I kinda want to fix up my HTTP daemon project from school. I've actually referenced it on my LinkedIn profile.

Ethan Bierlein

@Lyle'sMug My day is going good. I just got back from a nice walk.

I live right next to the MN river valley, so I can, whenever I feel like it, go for a walk in the woods.

Lyle's Mug

4:29 PM

@janos yes, today tomorrow and the next day

I used to live in Minnesota, a long time ago.

Good fishing

Ethan Bierlein

It's nice. The one thing that bothers me is the wet heat. That's why I like spending time in places like Montana, or Arizona during the summer.

Although sometimes the wet heat just feels nice.

janos

@Lyle'sMug you're between jobs?

Ethan Bierlein

@Jamal Do we really need a role-playing-game tag?

I just don't feel that, with a game tag, that we need it.

janos

^^^ agreed

in terms of code review, I don't see how it makes a difference whether it's an RPG or a drinking game, or other kind of game

I'm surprised @200_success didn't remove the tag when edited it (I noticed him many times cleaning up tags)

^^^ ah.... I thought there was only one question with that tag, codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/82392/json-extraction, but there are many

Ethan Bierlein

There are 14, but still don't think it warrants the need for that tag.

Lyle's Mug

4:41 PM

@janos second job to make ends meet. But they aren't even close yet.... :(

janos

I'm for burning the tag

change to game

Ethan Bierlein

Merge with game maybe. Just replace em all with game.

janos

@Lyle'sMug that sucks. Wasted programmer-time

3

Ethan Bierlein

He back in a bit. TTGSTMLT

Lyle's Mug

@janos Agreed I wish I was learning more MVC right now or building an MVC site right now

nhgrif

4:49 PM

This was a good Swift answer @janos codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/91513/…

Ethan Bierlein

0

Q: Burninate [role-playing-game]

I'm not sure why a role-playing-game is needed when there's already a game tag. Personally, I think we should just burninate it and add the game tag to all the questions tagged with it that don't already have the game tag.

discussion burninate-request

janos

@nhgrif not really, but thanks! I upvoted yours, and I'm glad it got accepted, as deserved

Ethan Bierlein

I wish I could experience the magic-of-swift...

Stack Exchange

2

Q: Burninate [role-playing-game]

I'm not sure why a role-playing-game is needed when there's already a game tag. Personally, I think we should just burninate it and add the game tag to all the questions tagged with it that don't already have the game tag. I just don't think that we need specific tags for genres of games, when a ...

discussion burninate-request

Ethan Bierlein

Jeez, I don't know why I feel the need to post my question before the bots catch it...

nhgrif

4:54 PM

Well I like it when I'm not the only answerer; it lets me focus on stuff more specific to Swift if some else can address the more generic and obvious refactoring issues.

janos

it's good for the site to have more than one answer per question

Ethan Bierlein

Any good contribution is good

skiwi

5:20 PM

I'm having trouble programming my own projects right now

Mostly occupied with university project & normal homework and I hate programming on and off for several weeks

Ethan Bierlein

Hmm, I wonder if success means more vulnerabilities...

skiwi

> sh: 1: sudo: not found

Didn't work

Ethan Bierlein

:(

Morwenn

I think that I will finally post my mathematical expressions evaluator on Code Review. But it may be two questions instead of one. It's huge.

Ethan Bierlein

That sounds interesting. Source?

skiwi

5:23 PM

@Morwenn Also known as Calculator?

Morwenn

github.com/Morwenn/POLDER/blob/master/include/POLDER/…

You just have to follow the include links to get the full source. It will be slightly modified for Code Review (no namespace, code directly in the class and not in separate files) so that it is easier to review.

Ethan Bierlein

I've always wanted to write an expression evaluator, but I just don't have the time. And I don't know enough.

Morwenn

The parser is hand-rolled and quite big, so I will probably not include it in the question.

Like ~250 lines.

Morwenn

5:37 PM

* Lexer sorry, not parser.

@EthanBierlein To write such an evaluator, yoou just have to write a lexer (hand-rolled or with a lexer tool), write a shunting-yard algorithm and add another algorithm to evaluate the postfix expression. Most of it can be found on the internet.

glampert

Hey guys, any javascript gurus here willing to collect 50points? ;)
http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/88391/webgl-shader-program-management

Ethan Bierlein

I wish, I don't know WebGL though...

skiwi

@glampert Aw, no answers on that yet :(

glampert

@EthanBierlein, no problem, I care much more about comments of the JS code. That's where I'm a beginner. OpenGL is no news to me...

Ethan Bierlein

I could write an answer, but it certainly wouldn't deserve those 50 points...

skiwi

5:41 PM

Funny it's just literally the C API

I can't spot any big WTF's, all I could do is recommend to use ES6 features and preprocess your code with tools like webpack

glampert

Well, I'll appreciate any feedback, really. Give it some thought guys, the bounty expires tomorrow, so let's not let it go to waste ;)

skiwi

Your variable names could be better in my personal opinon... Like for ShaderProgram.prototype.setUniformVec4 use vec4 instead of v4

And in the full program use shader rather than shdr, I mean, what does it help to remove the vowels?

That's pretty much all about it though that I could review

The fact taht you provide a pretty straight-forward mapping library probably means that there is not a whole great deal to review

glampert

@skiwi, okay, those are fair points, thanks. Also, what do you think about the 'detail' thing? I don't think i've ever seen this around, but seemed like a good idea to hide the member data...

skiwi

Interestingly, I don't think I ever bothered with hiding data in JavaScript, because the language by itself is flawed enough already

glampert

Haha, true dat

skiwi

5:50 PM

I don't know the JS conventions as Python for example neither has private stuff, but they are often prefixed by _ or __

Ethan Bierlein

@skiwi Python actually has somewhat of a rudimentary implementation of private, if I remember correctly.

skiwi

It's probably not worth the pain of storing it all in a detail object, but your personal opinion might be that this.detail.webGLProgramObj is nicer than this.__webGLProgramObj

Ethan Bierlein

I think prefixing things with underscores, like class functions, will throw an error when an external file or method tries to access them.

skiwi

@EthanBierlein I'm not fully sure about it, probably would need to read the documentation ;)

Ethan Bierlein

357

A: Does Python have “private” variables in classes?

It's cultural. In Python, you don't write to other classes' instance or class variables. In Java, nothing prevents you from doing the same if you really want to - after all, you can always edit the source of the class itself to achieve the same effect. Python drops that pretence of security and...

glampert

5:53 PM

Uhum, I was going to say that. I've seen the underscore prefix used in other js libraries too, but I don't know the details either. In C++ _ prefixes are illegal in some cases, that's why I didn't go for it...

skiwi

@EthanBierlein Ah, I see, indeed there's some means of acting like private

I still think the Python reason is just silly and they should've went with public/private instead

Ethan Bierlein

Actually I honestly think python needs to have options for public/private, and optional strong typing.

The strong typing part might go against the idea of the language, but it might have benefits.

skiwi

Python 3.6 is set to provide some support for strong typing, not how integrated it will be with the language

The problem with Python is that it is pretty much... screwed

You already have Python 2 and Python 3 which are both major and majorly used releases and incompatible

And in order to "fix" their language they'd need to release Python 4, which would also be major and incompatible

Python is really the worst ecosystem I've seen around so far :(

(From the ones I have experience with)

Morwenn

The worst? Hahahahahaha.

skiwi

Probably C/C++ with all their compilers is no fun either

Morwenn

5:58 PM

It would the worst if Jython, IronPython, PyPy and Stackless Python were as popular as CPython while not compatible.

Well yeah, I think that C++ is the worst. If you want to support GCC, Clang, MSVC, MinGW, Cygwin and all their friends and subtly different releases...

For example, I do not use any version of MinGW: I use MinGW-w64 32 bits with POSIX threads and Dwarf exceptions.

That means that all the other versions exists too and you may have to support them.

skiwi

Is there a reason why C++ is like that?

Morwenn

Probably.

Because GCC targets Linux and people want it for Windows but several people do it differently.

skiwi

The problem has nothing to do with programming executables directly I suppose?

Morwenn

I don't know. Maybe.

I partly comes from the fact that the people writing the standard and the people implementing the compilers are not (always) the same.

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Copying one dimensional array bottom to top

I want to convert a one dimensional array to a two dimensional array with the following conditions. The 2-dimensional array has to be copied from the one dimensional array and written bottom to top. The second condition is that while the 1-dim array is being copied bottom to top the first row and...

java array

Ethan Bierlein

6:13 PM

0

A: WebGL shader program management

Since I'm not a JS guru or anything, I'm going to give more of a style review, rather than a review of the code, but if there is anything I see, I'll try to point it out. First off, you have some odd comments, which I assume are to describe the return values of certain functions, e.g, // -> boo...

@glampert ^^

glampert

@EthanBierlein, thanks man! Reading it now.

Ethan Bierlein

np

@glampert I hope it helps :)

Anyways, see yall later, TTGTL

Morwenn

Ok, my question is more than 30k characters. I have to remove some things...

skiwi

@Morwenn How much is it over? ;)

Morwenn

Currently 33k, and I did not include the error reporting mechanism yet.

But I think that I will let it out.

Or I will create a second question and try to split the whole thing logically.

Mast

6:20 PM

@Morwenn What exactly are you trying to ask? Can you split the question into separate questions?

skiwi

33K I could live with... I've had cases where I absolutey cut everything out I could and it was on 30100 or something

Mast

@skiwi There's an absolute limit to keep in mind. The site won't accept questions with more than some number of characters.

skiwi

True, 30K is the absolute limit

3

And I hear our lovely mods get a notification of everything >= 20K ;)

4

Mast

@skiwi That's a nice feature.

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Mathematical expressions evaluator with callbacks, the logic

I hesitated quite a bit of time before posting this question since the code to review is more or less a monster (with regards to its size). It is a basic mathematical expressions evaluator, but with one interesting additional feature: you can register callbacks that can be used in the expression ...

c++ algorithm c++14 math-expression-eval

skiwi

6:33 PM

@CaptainObvious Wow nice, yoru code has documentation!

I believe you can also tag it for the calculator commnity event

I think though that some people really made a calculator, but others made an evaluator for the event, which is interesting ;)

template<typename Func>
callback(Func&& function):
    callback(
        std::forward<Func>(function),
        std::make_index_sequence<
            function_traits<Func>::arity
        >{}
    )
{}

Would you like to have a callback with your callback?

I don't knopw what I was expecting when I clicked the This is how I roll. link lol

2

@Morwenn Reading your implementation, what happens if you try to evaluate (,) ?

200_success

@Morwenn Is there a GitHub link where we can fetch everything — headers, makefiles, etc.?

Morwenn

@skiwi Excellent question. I covered many working cases, but not that many failing ones :/

@200_success There is. I will add it to the questions :)

@skiwi Would it be a good idea?

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Mathematical expressions evaluator with callbacks, the architecture

This question goes hand in hand with another question about a mathematical expressions evaluator in C++. The other question is meant to be read first, this one is but a complement to expose the internals of the evaluator and the overall architecture to explain how the details work. The tokens me...

c++ c++14 math-expression-eval

skiwi

@Morwenn Why not? ;)

@Morwenn Do you know the answer of the question? :)

Morwenn

6:49 PM

@skiwi Nope, I will test it.

skiwi

lol @Morwenn, you might want to censor your "Do nothing and shut the compiler warning" comment in your latest question ;)

Morwenn

Eh, it might have been how I really felt when I wrote it x)

skiwi

This code is quite close to what I've written in Python, but probably not as complicated and yours is more feature-complete

Morwenn

I handle a variety of operators. That's why it's that huge ^^"

skiwi

11

Q: Newborn pythonic calculator

Let me start off by saying that I have several years of experience in Java, but now I need to learn Python, so I decided to make a calculator as it also is a community challenge. Please review the code looking for beginner mistakes, though I do intend the code to look professional. This is my fi...

python beginner python3 calculator community-challenge

I handle stuff too :P

> The supported operators are +, -, * and /.

Oh right

Morwenn

6:53 PM

xD

The structure indeeds looks really close :)

skiwi

Thinking about it, the factorial operator might be supportable by my code, not sure though

It might also horribly fail

Morwenn

@skiwi Now I know: segfault.

skiwi

@Morwenn lol nice ;-)

Was able to extract that testcase from this:

case ',':
    if (nmb_parenthesis == 0)
    {
        throw error("a comma can not appear outside of a function's parameter list");
    }
    res.emplace_back(token_t::comma);
    break;

Morwenn

I still have the feeling that I just ended up posting a monster, even though I tried to make it suitable for CR :/

skiwi

Don't worry, we all produce monsters.

Mast

6:59 PM

@Morwenn If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

It's definitely not a Rubberduck

They quack different

Morwenn

There are neat monsters.

Mast

Neat monsters?

Morwenn

Yep.

Mast

That's like a clean scrapyard.

Contradictio in terminus

Morwenn

@skiwi Hum, I should have checked the the token near the opening brace was a name.

It's more complicated than that to check actually.

200_success

7:09 PM

include/POLDER/type_list.h:44:25: error: no template named 'conditional_t' in
      namespace 'std'; did you mean 'conditional'?
        using at = std::conditional_t<
                   ~~~~~^~~~~~~~~~~~~
                        conditional

Morwenn

Nope, that's a C++14 alias template.

en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/types/conditional

template< bool B, class T, class F >
using conditional_t = typename conditional<B,T,F>::type;

200_success

Ah. The clang compiler in OS X still calls it -std=c++1y.

Morwenn

Well yeah, it's still fairly new.

@200_success By the way, as a mod, don't you think that the double question is a little bit too much in term of size?

200_success

clang++ -std=c++1y -Iinclude -o testsuite/evaluation testsuite/evaluation.cpp
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "Catch::SectionInfo::SectionInfo(Catch::SourceLineInfo const&, std::__1::basic_string<char, std::__1::char_traits<char>, std::__1::allocator<char> > const&, std::__1::basic_string<char, std::__1::char_traits<char>, std::__1::allocator<char> > const&)", referenced from:
      ____C_A_T_C_H____T_E_S_T____25() in evaluation-35db98.o
  "Catch::ResultBuilder::endExpression()", referenced from:

How do you build this thing?

Morwenn

Er, it's a Catch testsuite.

200_success

7:15 PM

I see.

Two questions seems fine. Obviously you put a lot of effort into crafting them.

Morwenn

Well, I tried to make them reviewable.

I didn't include the tests in the question itself especially because learning a new testsuite isn't something people should be required to do when reviewing code :p

To build it, I simply put all the .cpp in the testsuite directory in one project and compile. It creates its own main and the way it works is really evil, but also really cool.

Anyway, I have to go. See you later :)

Captain Obvious

7:38 PM

1

Q: A* search algorithm in clojure

Cost of nodes are represented by a matrix (called world), heuristic cost estimiate/g score/f score are all represented in matrices. The world and its size are stored in global dynamic variables. It looks like this: 1 1 1 1 1 1999 1999 1999 1999 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1999 199...

algorithm matrix clojure pathfinding

Captain Obvious

8:01 PM

0

Q: Store open days and times

Currently I'm developing my business entities. I feel that the structure is a tad cumbersome. What I mean is that a store on a particular day can have different open and closing times. So it's not as simple as a store opens and closes at 09:00 and 17:00 respectively every day at the week. A sto...

c# beginner

janos

@EthanBierlein Nicely done!

Ethan Bierlein

Thank you :)

skiwi

@Morwenn Sorry for the headaches ;)

Ethan Bierlein

HOLY SHIT PYTHON3 HAS STRONG TYPING

AND I NEVER KNEW ABOUT IT

except it only works for specifying function return types, and parameter types.

BUT ITS STILL A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION

For example, the below is syntactically valid Python3 code. vv

def power(a: float, b: float) -> float:
    return a ** b

Is nobody excited about this?

Or am I just stupid for finding this out later than everyone else?

Oh, nevermind. They're called function annotations. Still, that's pretty cool.

Ethan Bierlein

8:34 PM

Well, anyways, I'm going to see if I can kill some zombies...

janos

we have a ton of those. happy hunting :)

2

Ethan Bierlein

8:54 PM

Man, there are too many Python questions using external libraries that I don't know...

janos

yup

Duga

If your code is working correctly, you may want to ask on Code Review. Make sure to read their guidelines. (For example, your link-to-code is as deprecated over there as it is here.) — Jongware 54 secs ago

Jeroen Vannevel

ow shit

I just got a linkedin invite by a Dutch-speaking MS employee, saying he would like to help me get an internship at Microsoft

specifically referencing my SO rep and interest in MS technology

Ethan Bierlein

Wow. Is that a good thing? It sure sounds like it.

Jeroen Vannevel

Since working for Microsoft is pretty much my aspiration, this is as good as it could get

I need to eat something or I'll faint

3

Ethan Bierlein

9:03 PM

Help yourself. You've just achieved great things.

Congrats :)

Jeroen Vannevel

Well it's far from certain, it's only a linkedin invite

but darn it, fuck yeah!

Ethan Bierlein

Still, it's a step in the right direction.

Jeroen Vannevel

And to think I was already taking down some of my notices online that I wanted an internship..

Duga

The folks over at Code Review are pretty good at making working code look good and work better. If you included more context, like, the whole procedure perhaps, this could be a good Code Review question. — Mat's Mug 17 secs ago

janos

it's early to celebrate. Keep pushing it, hard, and I hope you'll get it

Duga

9:12 PM

If you expect code review, next time consider asking at codereview.stackexchange.com — kenorb 23 secs ago

Ethan Bierlein

Damn, I can't find any zombies I can answer, which leaves me with nothing to do.

Anyone got a cool language I could learn?

skiwi

@EthanBierlein Correct... but I don't know if the compiler enforces it?

@JeroenVannevel Wow, nice!

I have had a few Oracle members visiting my profile already over the last weeks...

@EthanBierlein Groovy is really ~~cool~~ groovy!

Ethan Bierlein

Ah, Python is interpreted, not compiled. And it's not enforced, but optional.

skiwi

I haven't had time to actually code in it yet, but @SimonAndréForsberg says it's awesome!

Ethan Bierlein

I think from now on though, I'm going to try and use function annotation.

Captain Obvious

9:35 PM

0

Q: Multiple Scenes with one FXML file and one Controller in JavaFX

I have a question about this design for a multiple scene application. Where I use an Anchor Pane 1050 by 960 and a Pane that is 2300 by 2880 This gives me a 2 by 3 matrix or six scenes. I plan on using Labels 310 Text Field 160 and Button 45 on this one Pane. How big a hit in performance can I ex...

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janos

9:46 PM

@EthanBierlein there are plenty of zombies in JavaScript too, if that might interest you

Ethan Bierlein

I don't know, I already answered one question today... wipes brow

SirPython

@EthanBierlein SirAlfred can help you find some zombies if you want me to boot him up.

Ethan Bierlein

That would be nice actually.

SirPython

Sure, just give me a second

Captain Obvious

10:11 PM

0

Q: which design patterns for, calorie calculations and find the total calories of selected food

i want to create program in wpf. It's about: calorie calculations and find the total calories of selected food. But i cannot choose a design pattern for my app. if you have idea choosing about design patterns for app please answer it. Thank you guys

wpf

0

Q: Find minimum number of coins (count and list of coins too)

For a given set of denominations, you are asked to find the minimum number of coins with which a given amount of money can be paid. Assume that you can use as many coins of a particular denomination as necessary. For example, given the denominations 1, 3, 4, and the target amount 6, th...

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Ethan Bierlein

See you all later TTGSIMYNPWISWO

SirPython

See you.

Phrancis

10:38 PM

@EthanBierlein Wut

Ethan Bierlein

Time to go swimming in my new pool when it's still warm out.

Of course, that didn't happen. The pool guy came and said we had to wait another week to swim in it.

Hello again.

Hello.

Hey

Hello

10:50 PM

This may better be asked on Code Review. Make sure to read their guigelines first. — Jongware 24 secs ago

Jeroen Vannevel

BELGIUM WON EUROVISION

Winners in spirit

BUT WINNERS NONETHELESS

^ authentic

Duga

Wrong website, try codereview.stackexchange.com — Ashwini Chaudhary 58 secs ago

Stackoverflow is about helping you fix problems and get your program working though. If you want a critique/review try the sister-site codereview.stackexchange.com — Raphael Miedl 17 secs ago

Morwenn

Haha, it seems that we brought shame to our country once again :D

I'm always amazed by the total lack of taste when it comes to choosing artists for Eurovision.

Duga

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is a request for a code review and should probably asked on codereview.stackexchange.com. — Carsten 54 secs ago

Captain Obvious

-1

Q: which one of the good design pattern for my app in wpf

i want to create an app in wpf. And it is about calorie calculations and find the total calories of selected foods. And i choosed iterator design pattern. But it is not good design pattern for my station. which one is the good design pattern in my app.

design-patterns wpf

0

Q: Generic XHR caching function

I've made a simple caching function for my jQuery ajax calls. I know about the $.ajax() cache setting, but I don't use it for various reasons. One of the most important one is it being limited to GET (and perhaps HEAD?) requests. If a cached value is found, and is a reference type, I'm returnin...

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Simon André Forsberg

11:17 PM

@JeroenVannevel lol, wtf? Nice try there!

@Morwenn Don't believe @JeroenVannevel!

Or maybe your TV has been censoring things...

Jeroen Vannevel

BELGIUM IS THE WINNEEEEEER

Phrancis

##################
# IMPORT MODULES #
##################


import os
from random import randint

^^ ORLY

2

Jeroen Vannevel

Simon André Forsberg

@JeroenVannevel That's not what Wikipedia says :)

Ethan Bierlein

FLAME-FEST

Jeroen Vannevel

11:19 PM

Never trust wikipedia. Swedish nationalists are rigging it

Phrancis

Guessing there is some sport event going on

Simon André Forsberg

@JeroenVannevel Belgian nationalists are rigging things in the second monitor :)

Ethan Bierlein

@Phrancis Actually, I think it's a singing contest or something...

Right?

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis The biggest entertainment event of the year. Eurovision Song Contest

Phrancis

-_-"

Here I was thinking it was FIFA or something

Jeroen Vannevel

11:21 PM

Americans..

Simon André Forsberg

Eurovision is better :)

Jeroen Vannevel

FIFA is an organization

Not a cup

Simon André Forsberg

It was the 60th Eurovision Song Contest competition this year. For the first time ever, Australia was invited to participate as well :)

Ethan Bierlein

I hear the words "singing contest", and I immediately lose interest. No offense.

I'm not into lyrical music.

Morwenn

@SimonAndréForsberg Well, France still is 25th out of 27 countries (including WTF Australia) with 4 points, which is twice the number of points it had last year.

Jeroen Vannevel

11:22 PM

Don't worry, Sweden's song is right up your alley then

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg They've being doing this Eurovision thing for 60 years?

Morwenn

@EthanBierlein More into instrumental stuff?

Ethan Bierlein

@Morwenn Yeah

Morwenn

Like?

Ethan Bierlein

I'm into general classical music. Not a huge fan of string instruments though.

Simon André Forsberg

11:25 PM

@EthanBierlein There are many good singing contests in the world. Not everything is like American Idol.

Ethan Bierlein

I also enjoy electronic genres as well.

Morwenn

Ok :)

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis yup, and hopefully will be doing it for at least another 60 :)

Jeroen Vannevel

Eurovision is the only singing contest I follow

but not the actual music

I just love the nationalism at the point distribution

and a lot more when Belgium actually gets points

Ethan Bierlein

@SimonAndréForsberg ik, I'm just not a huge fan of lyrical music. I'm not saying Eurovision isn't good, I'm just saying it isn't my favorite form of music.

Jeroen Vannevel

11:26 PM

Like today when we became FIRST

Ethan Bierlein

I also hate american singing shows too.

Simon André Forsberg

Eurovision Song Contest and The Voice (in various countries) are the only things worth watching :)

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg Interesting... 60 years ago, that was even before ABBA...

Ethan Bierlein

They annoying the shit out of me with their stupid "drama"

Morwenn

I never really found Eurovision worth watching ._____.

Simon André Forsberg

11:27 PM

@EthanBierlein The great thing about Eurovision is that there are many different kinds of music! Each country tends to have their own little style on their song.

Morwenn

It's only a great way to ruin the economy of an eastern european country: make it win so that it has to organize it the following year.

Simon André Forsberg

@Phrancis ABBA participated in the contest a looong while ago, and won. (just like Sweden won today as well, despite what Mr. Belgium Vannevel says)

@Morwenn Good thing for Russia that they came 2nd this year then.

Morwenn

The only Russian band I still listen to is t.A.T.u :p

Simon André Forsberg

I voted for Australia and Hungary this year. I would really have love it if Australia won :)

Ethan Bierlein

That reminds me of my recent geography unit. My teacher referred to Europeans in groups such as "The northern savers", "The southern spenders", "The rich westerners", and "The poor easterners".

Simon André Forsberg

11:29 PM

@Morwenn ah, it's been a long time since I listened to them! I think I voted for them though when they participated in the Eurovision a while back

Phrancis

@SimonAndréForsberg Ahhh OK. Well, I like ABBA. So maybe it's not so bad.

Simon André Forsberg

Eurovision's awesome!

Morwenn

@SimonAndréForsberg It's kind of ironic that they are the most successful band of a rather homophobic country.

Phrancis

But here in North America we don't hear much from that part of the world

Simon André Forsberg