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Raphink
Raphink
8:00 AM
~, sweet ~
 
Patrick
Patrick
Morning, @Raphink
Or better: bonjour
 
Raphink
Raphink
Hallo
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
Given my inability to express myself coherently last night, I think I should say: "Good moaning". However, it might not be until Paulo arrives that anyone gets the reference.
 
Raphink
Raphink
Well there's fully history here
 
Torbjorn T.
Torbjorn T.
8:22 AM
@AndrewStacey I've seen so many episodes of that show that I should have remembered it, but it's been to long since the last time (had to search YouTube).
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
8:42 AM
@TorbjornT I, on the other hand, have seen very few (at least in their entirety) but certain aspects of it are embedded in my conciousness. Possibly due, in part, to the fact that certain parts of our media won't let us forget who our real enemies are. Cue quote from Yes, Prime Minister about our chief defence strategy being to thwart the French.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:05 AM
@AndrewStacey 'allo 'allo! :-)
 
Raphink
Raphink
@PauloCereda: you're not sleeping?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Raphink I woke up a few minutes ago. :-)
 
Raphink
Raphink
early
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Indeed. :-)
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
@PauloCereda: No sorprese thare. (*mentally considers the ensuing conversation and decides not to continue in the same vein*) Take a look at my "answer" to Stefan's post on meta about the data explorer. Any suggestions you have on implementation or design would be gratefully received.
 
Bruno Le Floch
Bruno Le Floch
9:15 AM
To those looking to get the rep cap badges: judaism.sx has debates on whether it is even possible to get the fanatic badge given shabbat restrictions. You guys have an easy time. judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7594/the-fanatic-badge
 
Raphink
Raphink
@BrunoLeFloch: is judaism.sx only for Jews?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AndrewStacey Ah nice! I'll take a look. :-)
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
10:04 AM
Is anyone else having issues with the "Add comment" thing? Hitting "return" isn't working for me at the moment, and I find I have to press the "Add comment" button twice. I'm on FF7.0.1 on Linux, in case that's important.
(Also, I've just installed SCIM so that might be a factor.)
 
Bruno Le Floch
Bruno Le Floch
@Raphink Not in principle, just as christianity.sx is not restricted to Christians, but in practice, I think that most users are of the given faith (or rather, one of the denominations thereof).
@AndrewStacey I don't know, but it reminds me of a question on ux.sx ux.stackexchange.com/questions/11660/… (... yes, I've spent the past three hours browsing random questions on /.*\.sx/)
 
Raphink
Raphink
@BrunoLeFloch: that said, it's not really hard to get the fanatic badge if you really want it. Nothing prevents you from making a bot with your login cookie to visit the site every day.
 
Bruno Le Floch
Bruno Le Floch
@Raphink they thought about it. But it isn't that simple: isn't that cheating and lying to get a benefit (not in line with the Jewish faith, I'd guess)? Also, setting up a script to run specifically on Sabbath means means that you are trying to circumvent the commandment: there is precedent, with lights or heating turning on automatically upon entering rooms, but that pertains "essential" things. I'm not saying that getting a fanatic badge is unessential :).
 
Raphink
Raphink
10:22 AM
Heh
I for one am not a legalist
(not an israelite either, although I'm jewish)
 
Bruno Le Floch
Bruno Le Floch
@Raphink I just find it quite fun to see people getting lost in details (same with open/free licenses).
Sorry, got to go for a nap (read "I'm falling asleep").
 
egreg
egreg
10:51 AM
@JosephWright A user in the GuIT forum asked about "pH": what's the recommended way to use it?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
11:03 AM
@egreg Written in the body font: it's a sort-of abbreviation (usually described as 'potenz hydrogen', but this can vary)
 
egreg
egreg
12:01 PM
@JosephWright So it's not exactly like a unit.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg No. pH is unitless. It is the negative value of log 10 of an the equilibrium constant for proton formation. That equilibrium constant (Ka) is itself unitless.
You'd say 'Sulphuric acid has a pH of about -3'.
 
egreg
egreg
@JosephWright So it should be typeset in the current font?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg Yup
No-one is really sure what the 'p' means :-)
 
egreg
egreg
@JosephWright I've taken the liberty of reporting the conversation in the forum
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg Fine
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
12:58 PM
@egreg pH isn't the unit but the name, isn't it.
It is "Pure water has a pH value of 7." not "Pure water has 7 pH."
 
Raphink
Raphink
yes
you'd write pH = 7
so it's the variable, not its unit
like pH_{H_2O} = 7
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@Raphink Exactly. That is what I meant.
 
Raphink
Raphink
yes
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
The question is: how to format it then? Normally variables are italic, but $pH$ would logically be the same as $p\cdot H$, i.e. p multiplied by H.
So, maybe \mathrm{pH} ?
 
Raphink
Raphink
Yes, I tried that, but it looks a bit funny.
like @egreg and @JosephWright said, it should be typeset in the text's roman font
maybe it's just the kerning that I find a bit too large
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
1:03 PM
@Raphink Oh, yes, in the normal text of course. I was just thinking about math mode. However, it doesn't really appear there, does it?
This reminds me on 'dB', which isn't an unit either.
 
Raphink
Raphink
dB is quite different though, as it is used as a unit
a bit like %
while pH is merely a convention for a variable name, like \mu in a way
(correct me if I'm wrong on this)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Yeah, but both % and dB are only pseudo-units then.
 
Raphink
Raphink
they're non dimensional units
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@Raphink No, you are right.
@Raphink % = 0.01, so just a factor
 
Raphink
Raphink
yes
just like dB, only the factor calculation for dB is a bit more complex ;-)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
1:06 PM
@Raphink Indeed.
 
Raphink
Raphink
(factor in the large sense obviously, dB is not really a multiplication factor)
I got angry at Rabbit from Winnie the Pooh for that ;-)
as after counting 7 carrots, then 10 potatoes
he told Roo that you could also count things that were not the same
and he went on to count all kinds of veggies altogether
but heh, veggies are the same if you consider the veggies set
so Rabbit is lying to the poor children learning to count, telling them you can mix units in an addition, when in reality he switched sets for the needs of his counting example ;-)
now I'm wondering how to explain that to my 2 year-old daughter without confusing her even more ;-)
that you cannot add carrots and potatoes, but you can still count them together if you consider them as veggies :-)
and see @MartinScharrer, that's the weird thing with pseudo-units like %
people expect that x + n% = x * (1+n/100). No real unit would behave this way ;-)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@Raphink :-)
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer If you use it as a variable, I'd say \mathit{pH}.
@Raphink dB is an SI unit.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@egreg I was thinking about that.
 
Raphink
Raphink
@egreg: I didn't say it's not a unit, I said it's a dimensionless unit
(I said non-dimensional actually)
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
1:22 PM
How come I just got notified of a comment flag in a chat-room on an SE site that I've never (to my knowledge) visited?
 
Raphink
Raphink
@AndrewStacey: I've been notified about chat-rooms I've never visited, too, in the past.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@egreg Really, I don't think so. It isn't a unit, it is the logarithm of a ratio. A ratio is unit-less.
International System of Units
[[Image:SI Brochure Cover.jpg|frame|right|Cover of brochure [http://www.bipm.org/en/publications/brochure/ The International System of Units]]] The International System of Units (abbreviated SI from ) is the modern form of the metric system and is generally a system of units of measurement devised around seven base units and the convenience of the number ten. The older metric system included several groups of units. The SI was established in 1960, based on the metre-kilogram-second system, rather than the centimetre-gram-second system, which, in turn, had a few variants. The SI is declare...
 
egreg
egreg
@Raphink I talked about this in my last lecture to future elementary teachers and I will expand the topic during the course: it's abstraction.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Doesn't include decibel.
 
Raphink
Raphink
@egreg: Abstraction is a great subject for sure.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
1:24 PM
@AndrewStacey You have a general chat room account, but it is still strange.
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer Yes, the bel is not in the SI, but there's debate about it; the current similar unit is the neper. See bipm.org/utils/common/pdf/CCU15.pdf for reference.
Actually the neper isn't an SI unit either. See Table 8 in bipm.org/utils/common/pdf/si_brochure_8_en.pdf
But both the bel and the neper can be used and given SI prefixes.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
2:18 PM
@egreg This does get a mention in the siunitx manual. The only 'non-unit' I support (i.e. one that is not in a BIPM table) is %, for reasons of realism :-)
@MartinScharrer Ah, be careful. Radians have units base units 1!
So being unitless does not prevent units!
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@JosephWright AFAIK, Radian and Degree are not an units as well, but factors: 1degr = 1/360, etc.
 
egreg
egreg
@Raphink It's the key for approaching the study of the real world with mathematics. Returning to the ground, I find it wrong to teach "you can't sum apple and oranges", because addition is performed on numbers, not on objects.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Which makes them pseudo-units, which is also the reason they aren't part of SI.
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer I'd prefer to say that 1 degree is π/180 or 2π/360.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MartinScharrer No, they are 'Table 3' units: bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter2/2-2/table3.html
 
Torbjorn T.
Torbjorn T.
2:25 PM
This was migrated from StackOverflow, but the OP had also posted the same question here. Close this one?
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Q: Set fonts in graphs equal to tex document

ruben baetensI am writing my phd in LaTeX and i am generating all my graphical content in Python with the matplotlibpackage. For my TeX document, i am using a math-supported font -- e.g. Kurier Light Condensed -- and i would like to use the same font in my plots. What is the easiest way to use the same font...

fonts tex-core
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
I did read all of this stuff to get siunitx right
@TorbjornT Yup, vote to close
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@egreg I meant 1/360 of the full cycle, where the full cycle is of course 2pi, so yes, 1degr = pi/180.
 
Torbjorn T.
Torbjorn T.
@JosephWright Yep, I've done so.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
"(b) The radian and steradian are special names for the number one ..."
In other words: "pseudo-units" !!! :-)
But from the formatting perspective they are of course units.
 
Raphink
Raphink
@egreg To me, apples and oranges are units, so it's wrong to sum them. But it's fine to sum them if you consider that they're both part of a bigger set, namely fruits.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
2:28 PM
@MartinScharrer The tables are clear that they are part of the current SI
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@Raphink I remember now when "Mol" got introduced in chemistry: 1 Mol + 1 Mol = 1 Mol !?
 
Raphink
Raphink
errr
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@JosephWright Ok, point taken. I actually meant part of the base units.
@Raphink It confused me at first, but is actually simple: If you have 1000 apples + 1000 oranges and combine them one by one you have 1000 apple-orange fruit salads.
 
Raphink
Raphink
sure
but you changed the unit in the meanwhile
the = is not really true, mathematically
because there's a change that happened in the middle, which is a chemical reaction
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
The "unit" is the number of elements, so 1.
 
Raphink
Raphink
2:33 PM
well say
2 Mol of H2 + 1 Mol of 02 = 2 Mol of H2O
That's fine, but the unit is not the same on both sides really. It's not the same thing you're counting on both sides of the equal sign.
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
Seems to me as if you're all a few bananas short of a fruit salad ...
 
egreg
egreg
@Raphink No, they aren't really units.
 
Raphink
Raphink
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer This is a perfect example of how to misuse math symbols. :) Put simply, the relation with moles in chemical reactions cannot be modeled with addition.
@Raphink It's not an addition, see my message above.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
3:06 PM
@Raphink @Bruno No. The pprimary target audience is observant Jews (akin to "enthusiastic users of TeX, etc."), and also "anyone interested in learning more," and, of course, like any other SE, it's open to the public. In practice, most of our contributors are Sabbath-observant. Personally, I don't care at all about the Fanatic badge and wish people would concentrate on more important issues.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
3:19 PM
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
@IsaacMoses I must confess to being curious as to how you tracked down this discussion! But that's not really important. I took a quick scan through some questions at your site, as I would class myself as "someone interested in learning more" (both as an aid to understanding my own faith more and as having spent some delightful times as a sort-of guest of a Jewish community), but have to admit that I came away wanting a glossary! I think I now appreciate more what newcomers to TeX think ...
... when we start going on about \expandafter and "primitives" and the difference between \def and \edef!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@AndrewStacey I monitor this search. Yeah, we have a serious accessibility issue due to terminology. It's compounded by the fact that there's no standard Hebrew->English transliteration scheme, so it's not always easy to just search for a term.
... unlike in TeX or any other technical SE, where the underlying literature tends to be in (heavily jargonized) English, and most unfamiliar terms have clear, canonical spellings (often because they're from formalized constructed languages).
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
3:42 PM
@IsaacMoses Reading those, I think that my conclusion is "this isn't the site I'm looking for" (to be clear, I'm not really looking for a site on Judaism, I was merely keeping as close to the misquote as I could). But that's not a criticism. I'm fully in favour of lots of "expert" sites and very few "general purpose" ones. From a casual glance, I'd rate your site higher than, say, maths-SX and put it up with MathOverflow in its scope. For myself, I'll just have to find a good book to read!
Meanwhile, I'll cheer from the sidelines and wish you and your site well.
PS I wouldn't worry about the attention that the fanatic badge gets. Yes, if all your questions end up like that then you should worry, but one or two slightly silly ones are okay - take a look at our most popular questions!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@AndrewStacey Unlike MathOverflow, though, we definitely welcome basic questions! Even if you have trouble understanding some of the content, if there's something about Judaism you're curious about, please do feel free to ask, and you're likely to get at least one interesting, well-sourced answer that you can understand. ...
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda Doh!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
... People tend to be pretty good at picking up on the level of expertise of the asker and tailoring the level of jargon in their answers accordingly.
@AndrewStacey Thanks!
@AndrewStacey Yeah, I know it's not a big deal. Most of our questions on Meta are indeed more consequential.
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
4:03 PM
Andrew Stacey: "the most famous cobordism is, perhaps, the “pair of pants” (it was named by an American … I hope)"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Andrew: Fantastic TQFT logo!
(It kinda reminds me of Batman)
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
4:26 PM
@egreg On the kerning and font switching question, I was playing around with xspace to see whether you could use it to insert the kern, but as you said in your comment, each character needs a different kern. How does TeX figure out the kern for a particular character pair?
 
Patrick
Patrick
@AlanMunn TeX has a table in the TFM file for that
... "manually" set by the font designer
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@Patrick So is there a way for a package to tap into that info?
 
Patrick
Patrick
No. You can't read or write the info
You have to create a different (perhaps virtual) font to do that
 
Canageek
Canageek
A warning to people using TeXMaker, and possibly TeXStudio: It doesn't spellcheck things inside of arguments, like say, footnotes.
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@Patrick So any solution would have to use either a specially built table or a compromise value.
 
Patrick
Patrick
4:32 PM
@AlanMunn Yes. (As far as I know, but I am 99.9% sure)
... I was thinking about this setup:
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Q: Grouping with {} inhibits kerning across group boundaries

WyzardI'd like to write a word in bold followed by a comma and a non-bold word, like this: \textbf{why}, blah If I just write why, TeX inserts a kern to shift the comma a little closer to the "y". But when I write {why}, (even without the \textbf), TeX doesn't insert the kern; apparently kerning do...

grouping kerning
right?
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@Patrick Yes. I think I'll post my xspace solution just for fun. For the couple of places that it makes a difference, it probably just makes sense to manually add a kern.
 
Patrick
Patrick
@AlanMunn Please do so! If it is good, you get an upvote from me :-)))
(goota go)
 
egreg
egreg
5:09 PM
@AlanMunn The problem is that you always add a kern, even when it's not needed (or is even bad).
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
5:33 PM
@egreg Only for the comma, and yes, that's why the value has to be a compromise. I'm not recommending the solution, as I hope i made clear in the answer.
 
egreg
egreg
6:11 PM
@AlanMunn The result with an m is really bad, I believe. I've added another "manual" solution.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:31 PM
keming the frog!
oh wait...
 
Canageek
Canageek
6:46 PM
Ok, how is this for strange: Adobe doesn't copy Greek characters put in with math-mode, but WILL copy Å put in via siunitx just fine. Stupid adobe.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
7:07 PM
@Canageek It's normally picked up from a text font
 
egreg
egreg
7:18 PM
@PauloCereda That's Kennit, the frog that misinterpreted a keming.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
7:36 PM
@egreg Oh my bad. ;-)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
The bodegraph package seems to miss-configured by default. It needs a gnuplot/\jobname/ directory by default, which isn't there of course: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/31150/bodegraph-on-ubuntu-10-04
 
egreg
egreg
7:56 PM
@MartinScharrer It's in line 38. I suppose the author wanted not to fill the working directory with .table and .gnuplot files. And he states on p. 5 of the documentation what must be done for avoiding the problem. But it's not very clear that such a subdirectory is necessary to begin with.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@egreg Thanks, I just used \tracingall and egrep to find a possible fix. I will mention your comment to the OP of that question.
 
Patrick
Patrick
You used @egreg to find a possible fix? Ah, egrep.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@Patrick I actually called egreg, 'egrep' twice at the beginning :-)
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer I looked for gnuplot/ in bodegraph.sty: less $(kpsewhich <name>) is my inseparable friend.
 
Patrick
Patrick
@egreg seems to be a handy tool :)
 
egreg
egreg
8:06 PM
@Patrick I'm better than egrep, of course. :)
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Patrick
Patrick
egrep won't hit the daily rep cap so often, i suppose
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
egrep is the extened grep (*g*lobal *r*egular *e*pression *p*rint), which was actually once an ed command.
 
Patrick
Patrick
@egreg at least you're faster then egrep
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Maybe I program my own version of egrep: It will then be called MS egrep :-)
 
Patrick
Patrick
I'll write an extended *g*lobal *r*egular *e*pression *g*uesser :)
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
8:09 PM
@egreg I have kpseless aliased to less $(kpsewhich $*) for just this purpose. Also, I have kpsegrep, kpsecd, and kpsevi.
 
Patrick
Patrick
That's what I have:
$ type kless
kless is a function
kless ()
{
less `kpsewhich $1 || echo $1`
}
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@AndrewStacey I have an lgrep alias to grep the latex.ltex file :)
 
egreg
egreg
@AndrewStacey I always think "I've to define my aliases" and never program them.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@egreg Yeah, same here.
almost
BTW: 132/150, 18 days to go
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer 99/150
 
Patrick
Patrick
8:13 PM
@MartinScharrer @egreg do you stop once you've got it?
 
egreg
egreg
We'll do a big celebration for you. I'm thinking to a surprise party. Oops. :)
 
Patrick
Patrick
Or do you strive for the (virtual) 300
 
egreg
egreg
@Patrick Oh, no! It's big fun to be here!
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@Patrick To get the Platinum badge 'Demigod'?
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Patrick
Patrick
your account image will be in gold then
or platinum
 
egreg
egreg
8:16 PM
@Patrick There's the famous guy on StackOverflow that earns 100000+ rep a year. We're amateurs.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@egreg Yeah, John Skeet, but there are a lot more people which vote on StackOverflow and a lot more questions to answer. So you can't compare it.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@egreg Bigger audience, more votes
@MartinScharrer I wonder if he does anything except answer questions
 
Patrick
Patrick
OK, amateurs, good night :)
(then I ask myself what I am, a tiny fly on the window not worth looking into anything with a backslash?)
 
egreg
egreg
@Patrick Why? You can always compare to Paulo. :)
 
Patrick
Patrick
With my soon-to-get tex.se t-shirt I can hang out with you guys :)
 
egreg
egreg
8:34 PM
@PauloCereda I was just talking about you. :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Oh. :-)
I'm surprised that I actually know how to tie the laces of my sneakers. :-P
Oh I'm not worthy of hanging out with you all, for I am a shirtless poor soul.
(dramatic song playing in the background)
Yay, I won a good answer badge! (clears throat) in meta (clears throat) for my drawing.
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda No dramatic song! It's the first horn concerto by Mozart.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
8:50 PM
@egreg Great choice! :-)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda Well, the next piece will be Debussy's Clair de lune. :(
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Ah that piece brings me good memories of Victor Borge. :-)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda But did he refer to Debussy or Beethoven?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg I think it is Debussy. :-)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda Beethoven's Mondschein Sonate is waaaaay better.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
8:56 PM
@egreg ah no doubt! :-) I played it in a recital at the conservatoire, long time ago.
@egreg: it was very good to see Leonid Hambro playing with Victor Borge one of my favorite melodies, Waltz in D flat major op 64 n1 from Chopin (the minute waltz). It's very funny to see them playing different parts of the song at the same time, since the melody is quite symetrical. youtube.com/watch?v=gWrqtJTEmBk
 
egreg
egreg
9:10 PM
@PauloCereda Very nice indeed!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
:-)
wow, math.sx has a homework tag.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda We don't have that problem :-)
'My teacher asked me to explain how \futurelet works'
'My dog ate the delimited argument'
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Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright LOL!
 
David Zaslavsky
David Zaslavsky
@JosephWright lucky you guys
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidZaslavsky indeed! ;-)
Someday, we'll end up with a draw-this-diagram-for-me-im-too-lazy-to-rtfm tag. :-P
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David Zaslavsky
David Zaslavsky
9:23 PM
lol
April Fool's joke perhaps?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Good idea! :-)
 
 
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egreg
egreg
10:28 PM
@PauloCereda I surfed for a while around YouTube looking at Victor Borge sketches: very funny.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg ah he was a genius. :) I have some of his shows on DVD. He was a master on improvisation. I love his faces on this one: youtube.com/watch?v=tvUbrbFdJ8g
 

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