TeX, LaTeX and Friends

yo'

12:00 AM

btw, tempted to get something very sweet just before going to bed now. Should I stand up or give in?

@DavidCarlisle ah

David Carlisle

@yo' give in of course

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Sugar pa pa pa pa pa oh honey honey pa pa pa pa pa Oh no another song is stuck in my head!

yo'

@PauloCereda I don't know the songs, but as long as they're good ... what I hate is stupid ad songs in my head

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you should listen to more brazillian music

yo'

damn macarons, why're you so good?!

Paulo Cereda

12:05 AM

Seu Jorge - Trabalhador

►

yo'

@PauloCereda Something to cure you :)

The Muppet Show - Mahna Mahna (manamana, Mah-Na Mah-Na)

►

Paulo Cereda

@yo' oooh yes, Yes, YES!

yo'

@PauloCereda oh no, No, NO! :D

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda brazil was on bbc news this evening, a piece on Olympic sailing and sewage. Funniest bit was when the bbc reporter said to some Brazilian scientist "are the officials telling the truth when they say they have a plan to clean up the pollution" there was a pause and look of total shock at the stupidity of the question on the scientist's face before he managed to splutter "no of course they are not telling the truth" :-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle The Rodrigo de Freitas lagoon is very, very polluted, and I'll hide during the Olympics because I am ashamed of Brazil with all this negligence, indifference and not to mention corruption. The Petrobras scandal revealed that almost 1 billion was diverted to bribes. :(

@DavidCarlisle They swear they will clean the thingy, I don't know how. :)

yo'

12:12 AM

@PauloCereda excuses and promises, excuses and promises, excuses and promises...

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Yep. :)

yo'

Meanwhile in Paris, something for @Paulo: :)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' OMG

yo'

I didn't get this one (it's from the current collection whence very expensive), but I got some other ones from the company :-)

anyways, macaron eaten, time to rotate my body and close the curtains

good night, everybody!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Night, Tom!

SoundsOfSilence

7:02 AM

Good maen...

Watching the (partial) Solar Eclipse starting in about one hour (here) ;-) \begin{eclipse}....

yo'

8:17 AM

@SoundsOfSilence ! LaTeX Error: \begin{eclipse} ended by \end{clouds}.

yo'

8:40 AM

I have a dilemma: Allow spaces in template names (like beamer does) or not?

Joseph Wright

@yo' I'd go with not

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle Today is my day to quote Owell here. In "Raffles and Miss Blandish" he writes: " Cricket is not in reality a very popular game in England — it is nowhere so popular as football, for instance — but it gives expression to a well-marked trait in the English character, the tendency to value ‘form’ or ‘style’ more highly than success." Eric was prone to making grand generalizations - I don't know if that is actually true.

And my impression is that cricket is, and has always been, very very popular in England. I is the quintessential English sport.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Traditionally, cricket is popular with people with more money, so there is a social element

Faheem Mitha

And you guys like to talk about cricket here. I was in my gym yesterday and they were talking about cricket there. So, people several thousand miles apart, both talking about cricket.

yo'

@JosephWright Yeah, I'm thinking in the same direction. Now the point is: should \MYCLASSsettemplate{} check for "valid" template name, i.e., [alphanum_:-.] or not?

where're you from?

Faheem Mitha

8:44 AM

@JosephWright Really, why? I thought it was a big village thing? At least, that is the way it comes across in novels. I don't think I've ever been to a cricket match myself, and if I did, I would probably fall asleep.

Hey @yo'.

Now, why does that sound weird?

yo'

@FaheemMitha "village" thingy doesn't exclude "classy" thingy

Faheem Mitha

@yo' It doesn't?

I thought rich people lived in cities. Or maybe fancy country estates.

In the UK, at any rate.

yo'

@FaheemMitha why would it? you know that every good village has a privately owned grant residence at the edge?

Faheem Mitha

@yo' No, I didn't.

More from Eric...

yo'

@FaheemMitha well, it's not every village and it's changing recently because of the maintenance costs, but still, the idea is there...

Faheem Mitha

8:46 AM

"Since cricket takes up a lot of time and is rather an expensive game to play, it is predominantly an upper-class game, but for the whole nation it is bound up with such concepts as ‘good form’, ‘playing the game’, etc., and it has declined in popularity just as the tradition of ‘don't hit a man when he's down’ has declined. It is not a twentieth-century game, and nearly all modern-minded people dislike it. "

Paulo Cereda

Time to fight the traffic jams and bad weather in São Paulo! Have a nice day, friends! Quack! :)

Faheem Mitha

@yo' I see. Is this across Europe or Uk specific?

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Parts of this are true but not all of it

yo'

@PauloCereda ah :(

@FaheemMitha UK specific, mostly. Maybe even England-specific

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Which parts aren't?

yo'

8:47 AM

but you can't trust me in this matter, I've been in England only once in my life, and it was in London

Faheem Mitha

@yo' Hmm, I see. I didn't know you were familar with the Uk. Did you study there?

@yo' oh

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Cricket is a slow game and does cost a relatively large amount to play

@FaheemMitha I don't think one can say 'nearly all modern-minded people dislike it'

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Why? Space rental?

yo'

I only like the British culture a lot so It try to know about it

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Yes, that is a bit meaningless. His followup sentence is:

yo'

8:48 AM

@FaheemMitha equipment, very special field with a very special grass I suppose (like golf)

Faheem Mitha

"The Nazis, for instance, were at pains to discourage cricket, which had gained a certain footing in Germany before and after the last war."

@yo' special grass? really? Huh.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Cricket requires a good surface to play on, which is costly to maintain, and the land take for a single game is larger than for say football. That said, modern football leagues, even at a local level, require a range of pitches for different groups and that also adds up

yo'

@FaheemMitha it's an English game, it has to need a special grass :)

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright I see.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha The 'square' in particular needs to be looked after

yo'

8:49 AM

@JosephWright ah, so my guess about the surface quality was right :)

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Football square?

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha No, cricket square. The bit in the middle used by the batsmen: the ball needs to bouncy properly

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Oh, Ok.

yo'

btw, feeling like closing this one:

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Q: Solar eclipse showcase

How would you draw a solar eclipse (20.3.2015) in Tex & friends? This question can be seen as a background for prolific answers that can show examples of drawing in Tex & friends.

anyways, I've done it consistently with all ridiculous big-list questions after some point, I shall do it now as well :-)

Faheem Mitha

Why can't they be CW now?

big-list questions, in my opinion, do not really fit in the SE model. The first ones, properly maintained etc., seem ok and bring good value. But I don't see really a value in having zillion "XYZ showcase" questions. Also, they at least used to be CW, if nothing else. — yo' 4 mins ago

Joseph Wright

8:59 AM

@FaheemMitha Mod action required

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright oh

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Am thinking about it

@FaheemMitha I'm minded to agree with @yo' here: the better 'big list' questions have some wider value, but this one seems a bit frivolous

Johannes_B

0

Q: How to start with BST file

I am writing a paper for a journal. The support team of this journal sent me a BST file, for reference, but I am a newbie with LaTex and have no idea how to start. I put the BST file into the same directory with my TEX file, and then do not know how to continue. My environment is: Mac OS 10.10,...

bst

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Could you close it as off topic?

yo'

@FaheemMitha well, either OT or TB works here well.

@JosephWright I stated my opinion, let's see what the community thinks.

btw, I didn't realize that CWing a Q is now a mod action...

SoundsOfSilence

9:13 AM

@yo': Bad luck

Shot about 10 min. ago

Nasser

I just found strange problem with animate package and lualatex. When I compile the same latex file with pdflatex, the animation in the PDF runs ok. When I compile with lualatex the animation does not work (but the image is there) but clicking on the play button does nothing. I am simply using

\animategraphics[controls,loop,width=6.5in,buttonsize=2em]{2}{matlab/frame}{1}{100}

I am trying to find if this is known issue. Will keep googling. The files are all png format

yo'

@SoundsOfSilence shot about 1 minute ago

Joseph Wright

@yo' :-)

@yo' Same here

Nasser

I am going to try solution here and see
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/219199/animate-doesnt-animate-with-lualatex

yo'

@JosephWright I was really surprised, because yesterday the wind was blowing from the continent to the ocean all over Europe, and still we got this...

SoundsOfSilence

9:26 AM

@yo': It's already completely eclipsed :-P

egreg

@SoundsOfSilence I found a site that has a feed from Svalbard Islands where the sky is clear.

SoundsOfSilence

@egreg: The sky is clear here too... even better than the last days... and I have the impression that it's getting a little bit darker

egreg

@SoundsOfSilence Our sky is covered.

SoundsOfSilence

2 minutes ago

Using the better lense for my camera. I have the impression that's possible to see the lunar mountains

egreg

nrk.no/troms/…

SoundsOfSilence

9:32 AM

@egreg: Well, there it will be a total eclipse in Norway and far off the shore... here at the Black forest, it's only about 74 % eclipse, but that's quite nice too

egreg

@SoundsOfSilence It seems that at Fær Øer islands they are quite unlucky.

Joseph Wright

@egreg You mean the Faroe Islands?

egreg

@JosephWright However you want to call them ;-)

SoundsOfSilence

@JosephWright: Let's call us some Islands far off with more sheep than human beings... ;-)

Joseph Wright

@SoundsOfSilence That's New Zealand

SoundsOfSilence

9:37 AM

@JosephWright: No, the other one, on the Northern hemisphere ;-)

Cortizol

9:53 AM

Greetings to all!

I have one problem: my professor give me one chapter from his book, it's .tex file that begin with \chapter{}..... , there is no \begin{document} or \documentclass, and he give me also two .def files. I just wondering, what I need to do to compile that .tex file? Do I need to add preamble? And do I need to import that .def files? I am pretty confused

Joseph Wright

@Cortizol Separate chapters need a 'master' file that contains the \documentclass

@Cortizol Presumably he's given you the content to read rather than to typeset

Cortizol

@JosephWright Ok. I will ask him to give me 'master' file.

David Carlisle

10:14 AM

@JosephWright morning, we got some breaks in the clouds here for some decent views:-) Did you see the overlapping figures question?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle No

@DavidCarlisle Team list quiet: we need decisions asap

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I gave up last night and mailed Frank:-)

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Q: Overlapping figures on underfull page

The following example gives me overlapping figures (figures overlapping themselves and figures overlapping the text) as can be seen in the image below. I can work around this if I change the surrounding text, the image sizes or remove the h-placement modifier of the second figure. Also with usin...

floats positioning

@JosephWright I did try to hint that (without much success:-)

egreg

The images from Svalbard were amazing!

David Carlisle

I obviously don't understand this voting business, that's one of the view questions I've voted for recently, OP obviously took care to make a really mininmal example, as if you touch anything there it works, but as is it just drops the floats through the cracks at the page break.. and it only gets 5

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle "one of the view questions"?

"few", perhaps?

Joseph Wright

10:19 AM

@DavidCarlisle KOMA-specific?

Faheem Mitha

I hear there is an eclipse happening.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha You can hear the sun?!

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I don't think so, just happens to trigger the right balance of page size and stretch space around the section heading (but it was late when I was looking last night)

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright sadly not. I meant from human sources. But having a chat with the sun would be interesting. He/she/it must get terribly bored.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha :-)

@DavidCarlisle Ah

Faheem Mitha

10:21 AM

Oh, the eclipse is a EU thing.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Don't tell UKIP

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright UKIP?

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha The UK Independence Party: want to leave the EU

@FaheemMitha Gentle joke: it's European but not EU :-)

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Ah, them. And Scotland wanted to leave the UK, but I hear it didn't happen.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Not yet

Faheem Mitha

10:22 AM

@JosephWright I use EU as short for Europe.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Give it five years

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright Not yet?

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Likely to come back again, I think: good analysis in the paper I read yesterday

Faheem Mitha

I thought the referendum was a one-time thing. Still 45/55 is pretty close.

SoundsOfSilence

@FaheemMitha: The eclipse will be over soon :-(

Faheem Mitha

10:23 AM

@JosephWright Huh.

@SoundsOfSilence And I didn't get to see it. :-(

I wonder how many differential equations you have to solve to predict something like this.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha The Conservatives (right-of centre) are keen to make the Scottish Nationalist Party seem like a threat: lots of talk of a Labour-SNP coalition. That's not going to happen but is essentially pushing Scotland away from the bulk of the UK (England)

@FaheemMitha Not as close as was predicted, actually

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright It was predicted to be closer? How close?

@JosephWright I see.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha It was at one stage believed that the SNP could win

Faheem Mitha

Given that independence is going to make things rather more difficult for Scotland (at least in the short term), those numbers seem very high to me. Lots of people there must really not want to be part of the UK.

@JosephWright I see.

SoundsOfSilence

@FaheemMitha: There not much differential equations with solar eclipses, as far as I remember ;-)

Faheem Mitha

10:28 AM

@SoundsOfSilence No? I thought you needed to use stuff like that to predict planetary motions.

SoundsOfSilence

@FaheemMitha: Yes, but in the meantime such calculations are done with large polynomials in T (time) for the Earth and moon orbits. Of course, such polynomials are somewhat solutions to the keplerian differential equations

Faheem Mitha

@SoundsOfSilence I don't follow. Large polynomials?

@SoundsOfSilence do you really live in the Black Forest? Is it as exotic as it sounds?

SoundsOfSilence

@FaheemMitha: Polynomials of higher degrees, with a lot of strange coefficients, predicting the orbits of 'sun', moon and other planets

@FaheemMitha: LOL ... exotic????

Faheem Mitha

@SoundsOfSilence I didn't know they did it like that. Do you have a basic reference?

@SoundsOfSilence Yes, exotic.

In Germany, forest really means forest.

SoundsOfSilence

@FaheemMitha: If you define it that way... than it's exotic

Faheem Mitha

10:40 AM

@SoundsOfSilence so, are you surrounded by lots of trees? And is there hushed quiet?

SoundsOfSilence

@FaheemMitha: Yes, it's totally black here, black as \usepackage[demo]{graphicx} and \includegraphics{blackforest.jpg}

@FaheemMitha: Sorry, I have to go... but one guy doing solutions for the moon, e.g. was Ernest William Brown: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_William_Brown

Faheem Mitha

@SoundsOfSilence It was a serious question. Next you'll start talking about cake.

@SoundsOfSilence Ok, thanks for the reference.

@SoundsOfSilence very interesting link, thanks. Are you an astronomer?

I'd never heard of Professor Brown before.

Paulo Cereda

11:25 AM

@SoundsOfSilence: hi Christian!

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha There's an economic argument but in the end which country you feel you belong in is an emotional thing

@FaheemMitha Note also tendency of Scotland to vote left-of-centre cf. UK-wide right-of-centre bias over past half century

egreg

11:55 AM

@PauloCereda Good morning! Did you see the eclipse?

David Carlisle

(on the phone ^^ :-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Very nice!

David Carlisle

@egreg every now and then cloud blocked it completely, but we got some good views in between, fortunately

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright True.

@JosephWright Noted.

@DavidCarlisle is that from home?

David Carlisle

12:12 PM

@FaheemMitha from outside M's school actually, but 5 minutes from home yes

Paulo Cereda

12:26 PM

@egreg: oh no, I missed it!

yo'

@DavidCarlisle that looks cool!

@JosephWright @FaheemMitha One thing actually is quite funny. The truth is that Scotland is not economically the most powerful place in the world, so it would be difficult for them. However, they seem to be much more pro-European than the UK as a whole, so they may become integrated in the EU very quickly and more strongly if they separated.

egreg

@PauloCereda I could see a video in streaming from Svalbard islands: when the eclipse was total they removed the filters and the show was incredibly amazing.

yo'

12:44 PM

@egreg yeah, you just need a good precise clocks, or your camera won't survive :)

Small English question: is using "also" in place of "moreover" improper in academic writing?

David Carlisle

@yo' probably not, hard to tell from just one word (not sure i've ever used moreover:-)

yo'

> We, moreover, characterize the tiles that form the distinct layers of the multiple tiling:

It's in the "Main results" section, where three theorems are in succession, with only a short note in between them.

egreg

@yo' “Moreover, we” or “We also”

yo'

@egreg ok thanks

can someone explain me why should I want to have an italic \Psi in my article?

David Carlisle

1:03 PM

@yo' sorry got distracted by work:-). As egreg said

Paul Gessler

@yo' ISO math style? (Not that I fully agree with everything they recommend...)

yo'

@PaulGessler What have the ISO ever done for us?!

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Honestly, in this case, a bunch of horny engineers ruin typographical traditions of centuries :-/

Paul Gessler

@yo' indeed. Engineers (I'm guilty of it at times too, but I think I'm far from the worst) sometimes want rules for the sake of rules and consistency for the sake of consistency.

barbara beeton

1:18 PM

@yo' -- this would make a great tugboat article, if someone will agree to collect examples. could also be a blog, which is more readily updated. if some such already exists, please let me know where to find it.

David Carlisle

@PaulGessler I wish people (and unicode-math package) wouldn't call that "ISO math style" (rather than ISO 80000-2 style". ISO doesn't work as a unified entity, it can tolerate many conflicting standards in the same area so long as enough people want to formalise and follow any standard in any specified context.

barbara beeton

@yo' -- re "indexes" vs. "indices", there's a reason for that. if you've ever had to refer to both concepts in the same context, it's really useful to have two different words (as much as i regret having to do so). so i'm a guilty party. (but i refuse to use "appendixes".)

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle M's school?

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha my son

Faheem Mitha

@yo' Hmm, interesting. Like @JosephWright was saying about them being more on the left?

@DavidCarlisle Oh, ok.

I was actually a bit disappointed the independence thing didn't happen. It would be interesting to see. Plus an independent Scotland would be a friendlier place for foreigners, probably.

Paul Gessler

1:23 PM

@DavidCarlisle I didn't even know there were others, sorry. :-( I was just basing it on unicode-math's verbiage.

Gonzalo Medina

@DavidCarlisle Finally you made it! Congratulations!

egreg

@GonzaloMedina I tried my best to avoid it. ;-)

yo'

@barbarabeeton yeah, appendices is the way to go of course!

anyways, gotta go see what happens in the printer :-)

Gonzalo Medina

@egreg Did you lure @David to talk about the advantages of vim over emacs so he got distracted from answering questions?

Paul Gessler

@DavidCarlisle which others are there? I only find the superseded ISO 31, which recommends the same. (Symbols for all quantities set in italic type.)

Joseph Wright

1:31 PM

@FaheemMitha Yes, don't see the problem with both of those statements

egreg

@GonzaloMedina I upvoted your answers; but if you don't answer questions, there's little more I can do. Maybe I could start a proof by contradiction “suppose I know how vim works; then…” But the problem is that I wouldn't be able to exit vim without switching off the machine.

David Carlisle

@PaulGessler I think I should put an issue in to Will:-) There probably aren't others but it's same thing just as when ISO standardised the OpenOffice format, didn't stop anyone using MS office, just pushed MS into submitting MS office format to ISO so they standardised that as well. Just because one community formalised their typesetting standards at ISO doesn't mean ISO as an organisation has any view on anyone else's typesetting conventions nor does it stop other ISO standards being proposed

@GonzaloMedina :-)

@egreg took a few earthquakes to slow @GonzaloMedina down

Gonzalo Medina

@DavidCarlisle LOL

barbara beeton

2:00 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- more than once, someone has proposed "standardizing" (i.e., iso-izing) tex. PLEASE ... NO

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton I agree, standardising tex wouldn't help. but citing ISO whatever as "ISO standard math setting" doesn't help either.

barbara beeton

2:20 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- and i agree with that too. it's much more proper and informative to cite the specific standard. (reminds self -- make sure that stix documentation cites iso 10646:(year) as well as unicode.) but it would be nice if there existed an iso standard that recognizes that many (most? at least in the u.s.) mathematicians do not want an upright "d" for the derivative. (i don't know of one that does, either a standard or a u.s. mathematician.)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton That was my point, we could submit one (I'm not volunteering) , the fact that engineers have got in with one already doesn't necessarily block that.

@egreg \ooalign we should downvote for repetitiveness

egreg

@DavidCarlisle :P

daleif

@barbarabeeton, it is usually users that deal with mathematical physics that use the upright d, because that is usually what the physicists are using (while refering to the ISO...) I don't like the upright d either.

Paulo Cereda

2:48 PM

@egreg How nice! :)

daleif

@PauloCereda Much better in person. Experienced the full eclipse in Hungary in 1999. Actually seeing the big diamond ring in the sky is amazing.

Paulo Cereda

@daleif Wow! :)

daleif

And all the confused animals...

SoundsOfSilence

@PauloCereda: Hello DarkWing Duck ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@SoundsOfSilence ooh I like that program!

SoundsOfSilence

2:54 PM

@FaheemMitha: Sorry, I was in a hurry. No, I am not an astronomer, but an Astrophysicst

Faheem Mitha

@SoundsOfSilence Oh, ok.

SoundsOfSilence

@PauloCereda: I bet on that ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@SoundsOfSilence With some sort of Duckburg crossover. :)

SoundsOfSilence

@PauloCereda: I guess it has something to do with... ducks? ;-)

Alan Munn

Meanwhile in sports news: its-interesting.com/2015/03/19/…

Paulo Cereda

2:56 PM

@SoundsOfSilence Ducktales, of course. :)

SoundsOfSilence

@PauloCereda: I know ... ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn WOW

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda And here's something from a chapter by my former PhD advisor in a Handbook of Syntax :

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn OMG

SoundsOfSilence

@AlanMunn: Oh, WTD ... (What the ...duck!) ;-)

Johannes_B

3:09 PM

@SoundsOfSilence Why are you guys so fascinated by an eclipse?

SoundsOfSilence

@Johannes_B: Why not :-P ... We are fascinated by eclipses and ellipses ;-)

Johannes_B

@SoundsOfSilence People standing like idiots looking at the sky.

SoundsOfSilence

@Johannes_B: I was one of the idiots... however, on my balcony...

Johannes_B

@SoundsOfSilence The best solutions seems to have been that silver-gold blanket found in med-kits.

SoundsOfSilence

@Johannes_B: Solution for what? SoFi - Brille?

Johannes_B

3:12 PM

@SoundsOfSilence Yeah, looking directly through it.

SoundsOfSilence

@Johannes_B: Sure, but it's not designed for this. Even photographic filter foil is not very recommended

Johannes_B

@SoundsOfSilence mussde doppelt nehmen.

@SoundsOfSilence Alll that looked through it were amazed.

SoundsOfSilence

@Johannes_B: I used my filter I constructed from filter foil for the famous Venus transit of 2004 which was observed by me for the whole period of 8 hours. I will not have the chance to see one again (not if I am not getting 150 years old ;-))

Johannes_B

@SoundsOfSilence You look at the sky, i look at atoms and molekules.

SoundsOfSilence

@Johannes_B: I've done that too, as a student, about 15 years ago ... ;-)

Paul Gessler

3:24 PM

@Johannes_B and templates. ;-) Oh Gunnar, where are you today?! :-D

Johannes_B

@PaulGessler Is Gunnars help needed anywhere? :-)

SoundsOfSilence

@PaulGessler: Is Johannes stlll the unsung hero: "Gunnar the template hunter" ? ;-)

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's Super Gunnar

Paul Gessler

@Johannes_B not specifically at the moment that I know of. :-)

Johannes_B

@PaulGessler We got a new german one for job applications including cover letter, CV and the instruction: Change everything you need in the sty file.

daleif

4:00 PM

Interesting question

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Q: Recoloring math in an equation in Beamer

I have a presentation with the color for math changed to blue: \setbeamercolor{math text}{fg=black!15!blue} Everything looks nice, until I want to recolor part of an equation: \begin{align*} x\ y\ z &: A \color{red}\longleftarrow \text{Assumptions}\\ \hline x &\in \color{red}\underb...

beamer math-mode color

yo'

@daleif indeed. Workaround posted ;)

Johannes_B

Hi @NicolaTalbot, a user asked how to use a given bst file. I guided him to your free books, but then noticed ... Though you are explaining the use of bst-files, you never really seem to introduce the word bst as bybliography style. You can fint bst in the index, but that will also be hidden for an unfamiliar user. Can you add a short sentence for the next release?

David Carlisle

4:18 PM

@JosephWright who's been playing with \everymath :-) ?

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A: Recoloring math in an equation in Beamer

\documentclass{beamer} \setbeamercolor{math text}{fg=black!15!blue} \newcommand\beamermathcolor[1]{\color{#1}\setbeamercolor{math text}{fg=#1}} \begin{document} \begin{frame} \begin{align*} x\ y\ z &: A \beamermathcolor{red}\longleftarrow \text{Assumptions}\\ \hline x &\i...

yo'

@DavidCarlisle obviously you were not the only one :-D

David Carlisle

@yo' I never touched it:-)

yo'

@DavidCarlisle not even in color ?

David Carlisle

@yo' not guilty

yo'

@DavidCarlisle nonsense.

David Carlisle

4:25 PM

@yo' this time I really am not guilty, beamermathcolor is clearly colouring things that make sense to tex (as a math list has been used somewhere) not necessarily things that make sense to a user

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I actually think there is a better fix but I'm not at the dev machine at the moment

@DavidCarlisle One to fix properly for L3 (for example, superscript citations shouldn't use math mode: see ConTeXt approach)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I was working from a position of total ignorance about beamer:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Fix would be easier if it were not align

@DavidCarlisle Close to mine, then ;-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright well that's why we added \textsuperscript at some point, to not use math mode.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle As I've noted before, I really know why Till decided to stop maintaining beamer

@DavidCarlisle But it does :-(

@DavidCarlisle The ConTeXt implemenation of the same does all the calcs without a $ in sight

> \@textsuperscript=macro:
#1->{\m@th \ensuremath {^{\mbox {\fontsize \sf@size \z@ #1}}}}.

@DavidCarlisle ^^^ Definitely uses math mode

David Carlisle

4:31 PM

@JosephWright so it does. the reason we added it was so it didn't need too: seems we never took that step, compatibility bit us or forgot or something

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Give me a mo, I'll find the ConTeXt version

> \high=\protected macro:
->\typo_scripts_high \empty

> \typo_scripts_high=\protected macro:
#1#2->\dontleavehmode \begingroup \edef \currenthigh {#1}\kern \highparameter \c!distance \relax \setbox \scratchbox \hbox \bgroup \raise \highparameter \c!up \hbox \bgroup \ifx \fontsize \empty \ifmmode \mr \else \usehighstyleandcolor \c!style \c!color \fi \else \usehighstyleandcolor \c!style \c!color \fi \dostarttagged \t!sup \currenthigh #2\dostoptagged \egroup \egroup \ht \scratchbox \strutht \dp \scratchbox \strutdp \box \scratchbox \endgroup

Johannes_B

@egreg Seems like teh maintainer of mathspec did not update. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/233892/…

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle The various constants are set using (I think) \fontdimen values

David Carlisle

@JosephWright so in 1995 I did

	* ltfloat.dtx: redefine \textsuperscript in terms of
          \@textsuperscript

@JosephWright could have sworn I did that to avoid math mode...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Well it avoids the text itself being in math mode

David Carlisle

4:41 PM

@JosephWright yes but the previous version must have done that at least (I hope:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle What I can't work out at the moment is how they decide on \c!up (comes out as .86\fontdimen \plusfive \font)

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle All we need to do is find \textsuperscript in a version if latex.ltx from 1994

David Carlisle

@JosephWright do we still have a working cvs/rcs tree from before the current latex2e-public svn which seems to have lost the history?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle You tell me

David Carlisle

talking of latex releases, we should make one...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle There are various things on comedy

@DavidCarlisle Yes

David Carlisle

4:45 PM

@JosephWright perhaps I'll ping the list again. Frank +1 my eclipse pic so he's around somewhere:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Cool

@DavidCarlisle There was that business about the XeTeX/LuaTeX math groups to worry about

David Carlisle

@JosephWright you got mail....

Faheem Mitha

So, I hope everyone enjoyed the eclipse.

Johannes_B

5:21 PM

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A: Issue using classicthesis, auto-pst-pdf, and hyperref. Possible conflict involving chapter headings

Seems this can be resolved by not loading the hyperref package, it's included by classicthesis anyway.

This seems to be true, but why?

egreg

5:34 PM

@Johannes_B I don't think he's interested in the package any more.

Johannes_B

@egreg Pity. It is a simple bug.

yo'

@FaheemMitha I refer you to the picture I posted in the morning.

Faheem Mitha

@yo' A link would be handy.

yo'

5:47 PM

Paulo Cereda

^^ the Eclipse I saw.

Faheem Mitha

@yo' I'm awestruck.

yo'

@FaheemMitha lol

Johannes_B

7:21 PM

Pretty girl in the library asking for assistence in finding a book: The Concise Rules of APA Style. My comment: Schei\ss{} APA

Nicola Talbot

7:31 PM

@Johannes_B I've made a note, but I don't know when (or if) I'll get round to releasing a new version of the book.

Johannes_B

@NicolaTalbot Thank you. No hurry from my side. It is a pleasure for me to link to LaTeX for complete novices almost every day. ;-) Very good references.

Nicola Talbot

@Johannes_B Just wait for LaTeX for Administrative Work :-) Thanks.

Johannes_B

@NicolaTalbot I am on the notification list :-) And i downloaded the draft version ;-)

Nicola Talbot

@Johannes_B :-)

Johannes_B

8:01 PM

@yo' Is that a cloudy sky or did you forget to remove the cap from the camera lens?

Stefan Kottwitz

8:24 PM

@NicolaTalbot I wait for "LaTeX for network designers" :-) Stlll need to use Visio, but only because of co-workers

Was fun at a meeting with a big cruise ship company in Miami: connecting my laptop to the beamer, baffled people stare at \foreach loops, TikZ styles and such, then I pressed the typeset button, some compiler log scrolled and a complex network diagram appeared.

Johannes_B

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Q: UNAM thesis title page

I try to write latex code to generate a title page for a UNAM's thesis, It's hard to define the position of each element and get the desire result. It will be very appreciated if somebody can share code to resolve this problem

titles

Stefan Kottwitz

Yet, nobody asked "can I have this software". Yet.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B it's a total eclipse: no sun

@FrankMittelbach thought that was your kind of question:-)

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A: Overlapping figures on underfull page

What a fascinating problem! As it turns out this is (probably) a bug in LaTeX in there since the dawn of time, but as it touches so delicate areas (where TeX has its limitations) I'm not sure there could be a safe cure for it even if we want to attempt it --- I offer a solution later on, but tha...

Frank Mittelbach

@DavidCarlisle amazing isn't it? I just wonder if my solution is safe in general

this is weird stuff

David Carlisle

@FrankMittelbach just got in. not really taken it all in yet:-)

Frank Mittelbach

8:38 PM

guys have a look at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/234089/… where a simply ordinary piece of LaTeX comes out totally scrambled

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@DavidCarlisle yeah you always leave me the hard problems David

David Carlisle

@FrankMittelbach seems like a good plan.

Frank Mittelbach

@DavidCarlisle it was fun ... doing that, agreed

well short interlude ... have fun

David Carlisle

@FrankMittelbach aftergroup out of OR seems to be coming up too often:-)

Johannes_B

@FrankMittelbach Wow, this is heavy stuff.

Frank Mittelbach

@Johannes_B well, I hope I got it right though ... I know how often I err on boundary cases in multicol

Johannes_B

8:51 PM

@FrankMittelbach I still have to learn all the stuff LaTeX can output to the log if you ask it to do.

Johannes_B

10:09 PM

Github suggests to cal my project bugfree-octo-dubstep Why? What have i done?

yo'

10:47 PM

@Johannes_B cloudy sky of course.

Johannes_B

@yo' A friend of mine took photos. Maybe you and @SoundsOfSilence are interested in how the eclipse looked here.

yo'

@Johannes_B googling "solar eclipse 2015" gives probably several PB of high quality eclipse photos, so no, thanks :-)

Johannes_B

@yo' :-)

yo'

@Johannes_B after all, my dad is an Earth scientist, so if I needed any earth/astro-earth data or images, I could ask him :-)

yo'

11:23 PM

@FrankMittelbach I hope you don't mind I put my copy editor hat on and made some typesetting corrections in your answer. I wonder whether it would make a nice article for TUGboat? @barbarabeeton it's this one

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