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Nathan Osman

12:06 AM

^--- finally got it working

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Q: Answered Question

I'm ashamed to say I asked a question yesterday, and got an answer the same day. If this were a MS question, I would have been waiting until H--- froze over before anyone answered. Anyway, I got an answer from Christopher Kyle Horton. I tried his advice, and it worked perfectly. My new question i...

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Nathan Osman

Does that look good?

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Looks nice, but a bit small....

Nathan Osman

Well, I can't really make the icon any larger.

RPi Awesomeness

Yeah :(

It does look good, though.

Nathan Osman

12:22 AM

I'll show you the icon on Ubuntu for comparison.

(Click to see a larger version.)

RPi Awesomeness

I don't know why, but that looks better some how.

@NathanOsman Try reversing what is transparent and what isn't on the OS X version.

Nathan Osman

You mean switch to a dark menubar?

RPi Awesomeness

No. I mean, make the N transparent and the arrow things filled in.

Nathan Osman

Ah.

RPi Awesomeness

12:37 AM

Might be worth a shot.

ByteCommander

@Fabby I have a nice Q for you that would need a link to your "How to manually partition an Ubuntu install alongside Windows" or so posts. askubuntu.com/q/586631/367990 Some easy rep for you ;D I would have done if I could find the link...

Nathan Osman

1:05 AM

Something fishy is going on. Twice now, some of the keys on my keyboard have stopped working. The volume keys and the print screen key, for sure. Perhaps others as well.

ByteCommander

@NathanOsman Hardware or Software, this is the question!

I feel like Shakespeare... ;D

Nathan Osman

Software - data shows up in the appropriate /dev/input/... file when I press the keys.

The Linux kernel is definitely seeing the keystrokes.

ByteCommander

Then the universal first-aid is a reboot?

Or that strange raising skinny elephants cheat...

Nathan Osman

Doesn't look right in Windows Server 2012...

RPi Awesomeness

1:21 AM

Did you try my suggestion?

@NathanOsman Oh my. Nope. Definitely not.

Nathan Osman

@RPiAwesomeness No, not yet. It would be a fair bit of work, so I want to explore all possible options.

ByteCommander

@NathanOsman I would say it needs a black border like the other symbols. And it should be slightly bigger

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman It would? Can't you just change an icon file?

@ByteCommander Good idea.

Nathan Osman

@RPiAwesomeness Well, it's harder than it sounds :P

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Ah. OS X being a pain? :P

Nathan Osman

1:23 AM

Nah, it's an SVG icon, so I have to change the shape, re-export, minify, etc.

RPi Awesomeness

Aaaah

And you can't use SVGs as indicator icons :P

@NathanOsman Actually, can't you just change the design for the parts to have a fill and no fill?

Now, the minifying might be an issue. Not sure if you have to do something fancy with that.

Nathan Osman

Trust me, it's possible, just difficult :P

RPi Awesomeness

Fair enough :)

ByteCommander

How I miss the good old times where a 32x32 bitmap was enough for an icon...

RPi Awesomeness

Oh bleh. Bitmaps. So old fashioned.

Everyone needs to support SVGs.

SVGs are soo much better.

ByteCommander

1:27 AM

ja ja bla bla...

thank god you need no icons in cli applications...

RPi Awesomeness

Oh yeah :)

Text input & ncurses FTW

Urgh. It's sooo hard to wait until I can get good quality video footage before playing with my new Pi :(

Nathan Osman

1:42 AM

SVG works well for larger icons, but they alias poorly for smaller icons. NitroShare uses SVGs for larger icons but also includes PNG files for smaller icons that have been hand-optimized.

@RPiAwesomeness: --^

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Definitely better.

Nathan Osman

I realize it's not Mac, but I finally tried your idea.

Now I'm curious to see how that icon looks on a Mac :P

RPi Awesomeness

Yeah :D

ByteCommander

@NathanOsman Looks great! But it still seems to me like the icon could grow another 2 pixels? Looks so tiny...

Nathan Osman

It's already right at the borders. It literally cannot be any larger.

RPi Awesomeness

1:46 AM

@NathanOsman So, this is something you use to transfer files between computers & friends? I might give this a try.

Nathan Osman

Right now it's limited to a local network.

RPi Awesomeness

I'm so often messing with graphics and writing on my laptop when I'm on the go, and then want to get it on my desktop and have to wait for my slow laptop to write to my USB stick.

@NathanOsman Well, that's perfect for me! :D

Nathan Osman

So I can use it to transfer between my VMs, between laptops and desktops, and between my Mac and PC.

^--- on the Mac with both light and dark menubar

It's certainly usable!

At first I wasn't sure I'd be able to use a single tray icon for all platforms...

...but now things are starting to look pretty good.

RPi Awesomeness

Definitely better.

Can you detect what theme a user is using? I mean, obviously other apps can.

Nathan Osman

2:04 AM

Yes and no.

First of all, it shouldn't even need to detect the theme since OS X will invert icons automatically when a special flag is set.

Unfortunately, Qt doesn't currently provide access to this flag.

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Oh, nice.

@NathanOsman Oh, boo.

Nathan Osman

:P

Welcome to the wonderful world of cross-platform apps.

RPi Awesomeness

Can you create a wrapper or something? I'd offer to help, but my C++ skills aren't quite at that level yet.

:(

Nathan Osman

Qt is essentially a wrapper.

RPi Awesomeness

Wrappers on wrappers :P

Nathan Osman

2:06 AM

But it doesn't provide access to the native handles/pointers for the underlying APIs.

At least, not for tray icons.

RPi Awesomeness

I see.

Downloading the build requirements now. Gonna give it a go :)

Am I the only one who completely timed out?

'cause everything else was loading just fine - just not chat.

Even the other SE sites - just none of the chat rooms.

@NathanOsman Building it currently. Do you mind if I do a blog post/video review of it?

@NathanOsman:

$ ./nitroshare
Cannot open file ':/data/nitroshare.svg', because: Unknown error
Cannot open file ':/data/nitroshare.svg', because: Unknown error

Oh dear.

All the peoples are joining

Good gravy

Did something get flagged? O.o

Nathan Osman

2:29 AM

@RPiAwesomeness Yeah, chat was down for a few minutes there.

It wasn't just you :P

RPi Awesomeness

Boy. They've been having issues all day.

Nathan Osman

@RPiAwesomeness You are more than welcome to write a review. I do have one request though... can it wait until version 0.3 is finalized? I expect to have that done within a week or two.

There are still some minor issues to get worked out.

@RPiAwesomeness I'm working on that one right now :P

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman No problem :) I've got to finish a couple of other videos - my Raspberry Pi 2 video being first and foremost :D

Nathan Osman

Did you get yours?

RPi Awesomeness

9 hours ago, by RPi Awesomeness

Nathan Osman

2:31 AM

Cool!

RPi Awesomeness

Yeah :)

Nathan Osman

I'd love to hear how it works.

ByteCommander

@NathanOsman I just sent some line to you here when the chat broke down. Now as it recovered, the message is lost. :-( Now I don't remember what I wanted to tell you...

RPi Awesomeness

It's been uber hard not to open it and play with it until I can get good unboxing footage :P

Dang curse of being a Youtuber/reviewer

Nathan Osman

I always have a camera ready when packages arrive for exactly that reason.

RPi Awesomeness

2:33 AM

The issue today was that I had 4H today & by the time I got back it was dark :(

School before, 4H after, dark after 4H :P

I'm gonna get the footage tomorrow though

ByteCommander

@NathanOsman Oh yes! About the black arrows in your icon! Do they change color when traffic is on? I wanted to suggest you also to use another color for the dark theme because black on dark gray is invisible, but you talked about this already.

RPi Awesomeness

@ByteCommander Ooo. That's an interesting idea.

Might be a pain to implement though...

@NathanOsman I know! I can write that code for you! :D

ByteCommander

@RPiAwesomeness You have only 4h of daylight? Living at the north pole?

RPi Awesomeness

@ByteCommander Yeah. Y'know. I move from Africa, to the USA, then to the north pole. It's all normal stuff :)

jk - I almost assuredly don't know enough C++ to do that :P

Nathan Osman

I live close to the north pole.

<--- is a penguin, after all

ByteCommander

2:36 AM

;D

RPi Awesomeness

Another reason not to get a Macbook - Dell XPS 13 is better

Nathan Osman

In all truthfulness, I live in Canada - the north pole is technically within our borders.

Though I don't live anywhere near the northern part of the country.

In fact, I'm only about 50 miles or so from the US border.

ByteCommander

Wouldn't you just have to load many icons (one with both arrows black, one with the upper in e.g. blue, one with the lower e.g. in yellow, one with both colored)

@NathanOsman Penguins live at the South pole!!!

Nathan Osman

@ByteCommander I was waiting for somebody to correct me... :)

ByteCommander

That is the reason why a penguin never got caught by any polar bear :-D Luck for Tux!

So you should just be able to switch the icons while the app runs. Must be possible somehow.

And maybe use a mutipage gif?

Nathan Osman

2:40 AM

@ByteCommander Yup, I could make it blink while the transfer is in progress, sure.

I can't do it for the upcoming release, too little time left. But it can be a feature for a future version.

RPi Awesomeness

Bleh. Timed out again.

@NathanOsman I was gonna ask you before I was rudely interrupted by the chat going kaput: What's it like in Canada?

I've always thought it would be kinda cool to say I'm from Canada, dunno why.

Nathan Osman

Depends where you live.

I live on the west coast, so it's pretty similar to any major US city.

RPi Awesomeness

Probably because I've lived so close to it.

Nathan Osman

We don't have Abraham Lincoln on the back of our coins, though :P

ByteCommander

@NathanOsman I know that feature from my Windows firewall. It has two arrows, one for incoming and one for outgoing traffic. Gray arrow = no traffic, blue = allowed traffic, red = blocked traffic

RPi Awesomeness

2:47 AM

:D Yeah. Pennies are sooo useless.

Nathan Osman

We don't have pennies anymore.

I think it was last year we got rid of them.

If you buy something with cash, it's rounded to the nearest nickel now.

RPi Awesomeness

Yeah. Kinda smart

Makes more sense IMO

Seth

I wish we did that, pennies are so useless.

Gone are the days you could get a candy bar for 5 cents.

Nathan Osman

The copper/whatever alloy in the penny was worth about 1.8x the value of the penny itself :P

People were melting them down :P

Seth

I guess my few Canadian pennies are keepsakes now :P

@NathanOsman Wow lol.

Nathan Osman

2:49 AM

Do you guys still have $1 and $2 bills?

Seth

@NathanOsman Speaking of coinage, do your coins still have queen Victoria/Elizabeth on them?

ByteCommander

This is the firewall tray icon (no In/Out traffic):

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Yeah.

$2 isn't a common bill though

Seth

@NathanOsman $1 yes, $2 aren't printed anymore and you hardly ever see them.

Nathan Osman

@Seth Queen Elizabeth.

RPi Awesomeness

2:50 AM

But you can go to any bank and ask for it.

ByteCommander

Something like that would also look nice. I think it's the desktop icon of a newer version:

Seth

@NathanOsman I'll take that as a yes :)

Nathan Osman

We have what are called "loonies", which are $1 coins. $2 coins are called "toonies".

RPi Awesomeness

@ByteCommander Whoa. Dat icon. Ick

Seth

I thought you had some with Victoria too though.. Guess not.

Nathan Osman

2:51 AM

@Seth Nope, before that (and you have to go back to the 40s), we had a man on the back.

ByteCommander

@RPiAwesomeness Ick? What do you mean by "Ick"? Got a hiccup? ;-D

RPi Awesomeness

Ugly icon :P

Nathan Osman

Our toonies are made of two metals:

Whoa... they're not that big :P

ByteCommander

@RPiAwesomeness Be a good goat and be quiet... :P

Seth

Hey that's neat! And that's common?

Nathan Osman

2:52 AM

Very common. Though they don't often look that shiny :)

Seth

Only collectors coins look like that in the US.

RPi Awesomeness

daang

Nathan Osman

The neat thing is that we had $2 bills when I was born. They switched to toonies in 1996.

ByteCommander

@NathanOsman 2€ (Euro) coins are build the same way

gray metal outside and yellow metal inside

1€ coin is inversed

Seth

The only cool thing about US currency is that we have 100+ quarter designs.

Nathan Osman

2:54 AM

Oh, we have tons of quarter designs too.

Whenever there's a special event, it seems, they come up with a new design for a quarter.

They did a series for the year 2000 and released a special collector's coin every month. I still have the full collection. There are a lot of them in general circulation though.

ByteCommander

Same in Europe/Germany.

Every country has its own backsides for every coin (1ct 2ct 5ct 10ct 20ct 50ct 1€ 2€)

Seth

@NathanOsman Oh that's neat. I've never seen a Canadian quarter (that I can remember). Just pennies, dimes and dollar coins.

ByteCommander

And there are many special 2€ coins. MANY!

Nathan Osman

We have new bills now. They're made of a special synthetic plastic which is partially transparent.

Much more difficult to forge (not that I tried :P).

ByteCommander

Transparent money?? Nice!

Seth

2:58 AM

That's rather neat.

ByteCommander

They are exchanging euro bills as well.

5€ is changed about 1-2 years ago, 10€ last year.

Seth

They look pretty cool.

ByteCommander

The new Euro bills look like monopoly money to me :-P

Seth

@ByteCommander Haha, think you could fool anyone? :P

Nathan Osman

Completely unrelated, but here's what our old $5 bills looked like:

ByteCommander

2:59 AM

@Seth No, they say they are harder to fake

Nathan Osman

And someone did this:

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ByteCommander

they only look... erm... too colorful and... don't know

Nathan Osman

Lol?

Seth

@NathanOsman That's hilarious.

Nathan Osman

I know :P

ByteCommander

3:01 AM

upper one is old

muru

It'll take ten seconds to answer this, but why? O.o

askubuntu.com/questions/586763/…

ByteCommander

@muru Tell him to learn about English grammar and proper punctuation before he starts bash-scripting!

muru

OP's a mac user. No point.

ByteCommander

isn't sh-scripting almost the same like bash-scripting? I thought sh works on mac?

@muru Oh, and I re-edited that Q you spent your time on: askubuntu.com/suggested-edits/72941 Another one that wastes our time with the need of an almost complete re-write to be understandable and answerable. And 2 in 1. But I left him a comment to edit part 2 out.

muru

Thanks. I tried to structure it, gave up and just did some code formatting. <sigh>

I don't know what Mac uses for sh, but it does have bash

an old version anyway.. 3.x

ByteCommander

3:17 AM

@muru But this does not make English less important!

muru

Oh, my reply was about learning English. When has a Mac user ever listened to good advice?

(not about bash) :D

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Q: Display review queue length in the actual review page

I would like to see how many pending reviews are left in the queue while I review. For long queues like the Close votes this makes no difference, but it would be nice to know in short queues whether I am close to reach the end or whether there is still a bunch of work to do. So my request: A sma...

feature-request review review-queue

ByteCommander

Ah, now I got that! Sorry, 4:20AM here and I can't sleep.

Would you have a vote left on my meta request?

muru

I don't see why not.

ByteCommander

3:33 AM

@muru The same unteachable Mac user again! askubuntu.com/q/586772/367990

muru

Somebody tell him the last line is not part of the ssh command.

ByteCommander

@muru was just about to answer that the last command will only be processed after the ssh command returned and that he has to write a & after the ssh command. Wrong?

muru

osascript sounds like a mac command

@ByteCommander So I think he wants to run osascript on the other, which is probably also a Mac, but running OSX

Also, LTS releases come once every two years. Next LTS is 16.04

ByteCommander

No idea what osascript is, but to me it looks like the script gets stuck in the ssh.

So I write my answer now...

@muru Oh, so 15.04 will also only have 9 months support? I edit my answer over there too... :(

muru

Yep. You can check here: ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life

ByteCommander

3:43 AM

Thanks for correcting. Edited!

Seth

sigh

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Q: Ask about the ubuntu (I'm beginner)

First question. when I installed ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, to upgrade latest version, I used the terminal command sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade when I finished I have a curious thing. I do not need download newest iso ubuntu file and install! just typing these ...

startup

ByteCommander

@Seth I already edited the worst out of that. You only have to approve my edit: askubuntu.com/suggested-edits/72941

Seth

@ByteCommander @muru Any specific reason you didn't vtc that? (like maybe I'm missing something?)

ByteCommander

@Seth You really think removing the "(Up)votes please :-D" was necessary?

muru

@Seth client is Ubuntu, server is Mac

(I think)

Oh, sorry, wrong question

Seth

3:50 AM

@ByteCommander Necessary? No, but I don't think leaving it was a good idea.

muru

I hoped some one would come along and clean it up - the first part is probably a dupe.

j0h

http://askubuntu.com/questions/582595/wget-m-inserts-robots-txt
I think wget has a bug... but Im not having luck with the devs mailing list.
what do?

Seth

@muru The second question makes it pretty clear OSX is the OS being asked about.. but I could be missing something.

ByteCommander

@Seth I wrote that Q. Why no good idea? It is that short that it does not bother. A bit fun never hurt anybody

muru

Very odd. I just got a pop-up asking if something was spam or not.

SmokeDetector

3:52 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in answer: Can I recover a Bitlocker-encrypted disk without the key? by pokemon on askubuntu.com

ByteCommander

:20120231procedure on solving the problem would be similar both on a Mac and Ubuntu, I think?

muru

Why am I getting GameDev flags? O.o

Seth

chat works system wide.

and I don't think that needs to be starred.

muru

But how.. why.. am I getting a flag notice?

Seth

@ByteCommander A lot of people won't take it as "a bit of fun". I was just trying to save you that interaction. You can rollback if you want.

muru

3:53 AM

I don't even participate there.

Seth

@muru Like I said, chat flags are system wide.

ByteCommander

Thought it was a funny paradox...

muru

I'm no mod, though.

Seth

10k chat user ;)

ByteCommander

having a short break... cu

muru

3:54 AM

Oh.. Why do I get this at the top when I click "invalid"? O.o
"You can only counterflag messages that have been flagged"

Seth

@muru Someone just cleared the flags as you clicked.

hehe, this just caught me off guard:

hbdgaf

4:32 AM

^^ nice.

Fabby

6:18 AM

@ByteCommander Done! Please review! (and ensure it works: I only use window classes (=Application names) in CCSM, not specific windows)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Bodybuilding Tips To Build Muscle Fast by paulatalbot on askubuntu.com

Nathan Osman

Deploying the MSVC runtime is painful.

Fabby

@ByteCommander Mine is for Windows, not mac... But thanks anyway. Here is it: Favourite it so you can find it back in your favourites... ;-) askubuntu.com/questions/581902/…

@NathanOsman Fantastic! made my day...

(already!)

Nathan Osman

I'll never know (to this day) why Windows XP didn't join the "WORKGROUP" workgroup instead of "MSHOME". Nor why the entire machine needed to be rebooted every time the workgroup changed.

Fabby

6:35 AM

In RL? Medieval tech is basically renewable, so If you would introduce a religion that limits population growth, it'd cause stagnation, so it could last until a pandemic wiped it out... I'd say 300-500 years? >:)
(Oh, hold on: that *is* how long it lasted...)

Nathan Osman

^--- why I hate Windows.

Oh wait a second here...

So apparently I am that dumb. I downloaded the Visual C++ 2012 redistributable package instead of the 2013 one.

Yes, VC++ 2013 == version 12 and VC++ 2012 == version 11.

Confusing, yes. Stupid, yes.

3

Okay.

Clears throat.

Let's try that build again. From the top.

Nathan Osman

7:06 AM

There. That time it worked.

Fabby

@NathanOsman Because it's broadcast-based and it's easier for the Microsoft developer group to just say "reboot" then to inform all developers on the entire planet that a workgroup name can change, so never to store it in a variable, and always use the Windows API to fetch it... >:) So that's half of your question answered...

@NathanOsman: sorry for starring that! I just couldn't resist! ;-)

blade19899

8:49 AM

Kinda loving this retina display :D

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

9:42 AM

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Q: Ubuntu CentOS RHEL cross bash script su support

I know that title was a little ambiguous. Allow me to explain our issue. We designed an installer script on Ubuntu since Debian based systems are our primary core, however, some of our cloud based systems and some of our customers use non Debian based systems. As a result, our script is failing i...

bash ubuntu centos sudo su

Rinzwind

9:57 AM

maps! askubuntu.com/questions/586862/…

smokedetector is on strike today?

hbdgaf

interior design isn't in the hotwords list. bodybuilding and astrology for love are. flagged...

hbdgaf

10:20 AM

maybe someone should write a script that parses flagged questions from the database and parses word count of each word in valid vs flagged questions, then update the "hotword" database on the fly. that would be interesting.

Fabby

@hbdgaf Why change your algorithm when you've got humans to do the work for you... ;-) It's actually a good question for meta.stackexchange.com, though... >:)

hbdgaf

word count in flagged and valid flag identifiers IS making the the humans do the work for you...

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Q: So, enhancement to smoke-detector suggested

I suggested something in a conversation about here. Basically, should we just farm "hot words" from things that are flagged, then if they're in below .01 of questions just add them to smoke detector? It might make it a little less obvious and a little more false-positive. Making it just learn t...

feature-request

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Ask Ubuntu Meta

10:40 AM

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Q: Decades-long temporary suspension?

I just discovered that Account suspension is a thing. Still, in this case the suspension will apparently last until Dec 20 '26. This seems to be an unreasonable long time, for all intents and purposes their account is as good as deleted. Also, by looking at this user's answers, they seem to be ...

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Q: So, enhancement to smoke-detector suggested

I suggested something in a conversation about here. Basically, should we just farm "hot words" from things that are flagged, then if they're in below .01 of questions just add them to smoke detector? It might make it a little less obvious and a little more false-positive. Making it just learn t...

feature-request

Fabby

@hbdgaf upvote #1 and first star!

ByteCommander

@Fabby The multi-terminal-shortcut question:

Fabby

Here...

ByteCommander

I appreciate that you took your time to think of the Compiz window positioning solution

Have you tried it by now?

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Setting up receive-only mail server and handling incoming mail and attachments

I would like to create a following scenario on my Ubuntu 14.04 server: set up mail server (or is it called 'Mail Transfer Agent'?) which should take care of receiving mails only. No need to set up sending mails from that server. perform basic filtering of incoming mails (check if mail has a pro...

ubuntu email

ByteCommander

10:52 AM

I will definitely let it in the answer as long as I did not figure out anything else (better)

It is just that performing all those settings in a GUI and installing additional software first is not that - user friendly and easy, I think

Fabby

I use it all the time...

The only thing I expect you to do is to test it out on your particular solution as I used my gut feeling not to use a window class

ByteCommander

So my wish is to just add another two lines to the script that people can c&p.

Fabby

(which is the only thing I place)

but a window title....

Yeah, well....

ByteCommander

The solution gets the window title and identifies them by that?

Fabby

Ubuntu doesn't do that out of the box, so you need CCSM to do advanced stuff like this...

like I said: I won't get any credit for this, I pointed your nose in the right direction, now up to you to completely finish it or wait for the user's response....

;-)

ByteCommander

10:56 AM

But the gnome-terminal's window title is always username@hostname: path

Fabby

Can you give me the link again? I didn't save it....

(I'll have another look)

ByteCommander

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A: Terminal Short-cut ctrl + alt + T, 2 terminals, different size

I will provide you a detailed and tested guide on how you can achieve your desired result. First a short summary of the steps: Create 2 profiles with different window size settings Write a short bash script that opens a terminal windows with each profile Set the "executable"-flag of the scrip...

Fabby

I used window roles!

Not title....

Again: up to you to follow the instructions provided and test...

:P

Good enough?

ByteCommander

Sounds to me like bohemian villages / railroad station (both expressions from German ;D)

What are window roles?

I will test it, but I always like to understand what I do!

Fabby

Unique identifiers for a window.