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12:06 AM
@Pixie nah, was trying to contriboot but that's k
 
12:24 AM
That awkward moment when a question only needed a 1-line answer and I completely overdid it.
 
:o)
 
12:50 AM
@Miniman been there, done that too ;)
 
1:02 AM
@doppelgreener Yeah, and it means if someone posts a competing answer it's likely to be shorter and make you look good
 
probably VTC as too broad, it's presently asking for tips and needs editing.
@Miniman conciseness is a virtue though.
 
@doppelgreener Oh, absolutely. But the length was more due to covering all the corner cases and stifling any possible objections than just longwindedness (If I do say so myself)
 
@BESW I just realised that whilst megastunts require a justifying mode and aspect, it doesn't have to be that mode's aspect. (I think.)
Meaning you can use the Commander mode, and her being a Scarily competent Ops director, to give Amanda Parrish megastunts related to her being so competent. (The extreme levels of perceptiveness might be one such megastunt.)
e.g. Because I'm a scarily competent ops director, when I roll empathy against opposition, I always replace one of my fudge dice with a d6.
 
1:49 AM
@doppelgreener which ep was this? seems so familiar but i can't quite place it
 
2:05 AM
@Grubermensch I can't remember. However, they would go away on a trip, then from their perspective come back almost immediately - confused as to why their stargate leads to itself. However, SG command would say they've been gone for hours. Turns out they wound up in a particular stranger's home on each visit, and he would wipe their memories when they left.
 
2:46 AM
Exciting conclusion to the saga of this question: He posted the rules up without me asking. Turns out I'm paranoid...
Or maybe...he's a user of this site! (This actually only just occurred to me, it'd be hilarious if it was true though.)
 
Is there an equivalent to un-flagging a post? IE: A post is flagged as vague or too broad, put on hold, and then it is edited to fix that, is there any way to flag it for "remove the on-hold status"?
 
@AgentPaper Flags expire, so as long as the flag is no longer accurate it should disappear without outside intervention.
 
Ah, how long does that take?
I always figured it just sat around until a mod un-flagged it
 
There is also vote to reopen, which is a privilege.
 
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A: When are moderator flags automatically dismissed as "aged away" by the system?

Kevin MontroseCertain flags and votes are invalidated if they are of sufficient age. The rules have changed over time, but currently they are: Post Offensive and Spam flags: After 2 days Comment Offensive flags: After 4 days Migration Close votes (including Recommend Close flags): When the question...

 
2:59 AM
You can vote to reopen your own questions at 300 rep
and other peoples questions at 3000 rep
 
@AgentPaper What question/answer/comment are you asking wrt?
 
oops, your own at 250 rep
 
I was thinking of this question, which I had edited:
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Q: How do I keep my game moving when the group feels it has to retreat after every encounter?

BestyI found an answer to this question for 4e, but was hoping to get some more tips specific to 5e. Background: I'm running the 5e starter set campaign and my group is in the final dungeon. A difficulty we're facing is that the pace of the game is dwindling. After nearly every encounter the group fe...

It might still need to stay on hold, pending further clarification from the original poster, though. Was mostly just curious since I didn't know how it worked.
 
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A: Lots of questions in the reopen queue

Shog9We just rolled out a change to how questions are automatically added to the reopen queue. Previously, if the author edited a closed post within 5 days of it being closed, that would trigger it to be added to the queue. This was a great way to get additional views for questions that might've been ...

So your edit should have (by my understanding) placed it in the review queue for reopening
I'm placing close votes all over the place today.
 
anyone have the mse link to how comments are supposed to work?
forget it
 
3:14 AM
@Tritium21 I'd bet serious amounts of money that there are at least 10 mse links on that topic
 
There is a post self-answered by SE staff that got linked here a few times
 
Haha, the way this site works is absurd sometimes. I mean, it all works and is good, but it just seems strange when, for the same question, I upvote, vote to close, and submit a substantial edit all at the same time.
None of which contradicts the others.
 
@AgentPaper How did you VTC? I remember that being available at 3k rep.
 
er, flag for close
 
Flaging
and you can cast a vote on your own posts
 
3:27 AM
Ah, right. I should have realised in the context of the question you just asked...
 
Though in reality I wasn't able to do that since it was already put on hold, but I would have if I was able to.
Related: What does marking a question as a favorite do?
 
@AgentPaper if you visit your own user profile, there's a favourites tab you can visit. Favouriting a question puts it there.
That list is private, and just yours.
 
3:43 AM
Also, people can see how many people have favourited a question (mark of status), and there's a badge for posting a question people favourited
I love it when you get a "First Post" review task, and all it needs is an upvote.
 
Whoops, I take that back. The favourites list is totally public; I didn't realise that. Here's mine!
Those are the questions I'm interested in revisiting, variously because I'm interested in the topic, will be using the answers, or because I need to check back later and maybe I will place a bounty.
 
::Grumble:: Just call me Professor No.
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Is that Professor short and concise No, or Professor Noooooooooooo!! ?
 
@doppelgreener Depends on the mood of the target, and the weather.
cause it's 39 right now, and yay, burning.
 
Yeah, it's heated up fast last couple of weeks.
 
3:58 AM
sorry, just whining at any avalible target.
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton [pats with ice]
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Are you in some special hell-dimension version of Syndey? Google says it's 34 here, and that feels about right.
 
@Magician google says it's 39 here, and that feels right too
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Is this about all the questions needing closing that have come in last few hours?
 
Given that our here is identical, WTF.
 
3:59 AM
Hell-dimension Sydney it is, then.
 
[takes notes for campaign]
 
Search: kensington weather
Says 37, but that's because it's dropped 2 burning bloody degrees.
 
Search "sydney kensington weather", get 34
 
and 43% humidity...
 
Look on the bright side: It's only going to get worse! No, wait a sec...
 
4:01 AM
While I sympathise with the burning, I'd like to volunteer a little "It could always be worse:" my humidity is more than double yours.
 
...80%?
 
@BESW ....
move to sydney. We have half your humidity?
 
 
[now imagining Guam travelling through the ocean and ramming its way into Sydney Harbor to stay]
 
From the sound of it, it'll come from below the ocean.
 
4:03 AM
Don't let the "precipitation" fool you. That's just our way of saying moist.
 
Quick, activate the tectonic engines!
 
For once Sydney isn't significantly more humid than Canberra. It won't last, of course.
 
From the depths it rises! GUAAAAAM! //queue death metal scream and drums//
 
...our official government seal is shaped like a traditional weapon.
 
4:05 AM
@Magician Pacific rim style fog horn
::very low:: Guaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmm
 
Guam: even our seals are weaponized!
 
I do imagine you're talking about the animal.
 
Magical city-seals, underside of each one reads "I prepared explosive runes today, and you just broke the seal"
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton that works really well
 
4:07 AM
 
[now imagining an island in the distance on a foggy, overcast day, with that guaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmm fog horn playing as the island approaches... and everyone stops and braces for something terrible]
 
There's videogame where this exact phenomenon happens in miniature.
 
[imagines very high-pitched guaaaaaaaaammmmm]
 
A peninsula breaks off the main continent and floats out to sea, then a tidal wave crashes it into a different continent.
 
One of the original Doctor Doolittle novels did this, as well.
Twitter is a thing of beauty and horror. http://t.co/nPxiVQLAei
 
4:12 AM
So that's how he knows where everyone lives...
 
He sees you when you're tweeting/ He knows when you're on Skype...
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@saladinahmed He’s following you. And following you. Making lists. He’s picking through your garbage. AND HE WILL NEVER LEAVE.
@doppelgreener I need someone to explain "Frau Totenkinder" in the context of inspiration for Amanda Parrish.
 
@BESW I take it you haven't read Fables?
 
Frau Totenkinder... Mrs Deadchildren?
 
@Magician Nope.
One of my players has suggested her as inspiration for our immediate boss in our next campaign.
 
She's the witch from most of the fairy tales. I don't quite recall details, so the following may not be entirely accurate. She doesn't really have a name. She's somewhat kind, but very scary, and rightly so. Not as evil as fairy tales portray her, and kind of treats Fabletown as her retirement from all the silliness with eating children. She squares off against Baba Yaga at some point, and wins.
 
4:28 AM
She reminds me of Kureha.
 
That's pretty much her.
She's old, and extremely capable, very alert and very intelligent and quick-witted.
@Lord_Gareth Do you live and breathe?
 
@doppelgreener Presumably with the fundamental difference that she actually has magic, not just medicine (and Hammerspace).
 
@Miniman Magic exists in the world we've generated. It started off as an Atomic Robo / Hellboy kinda thing, and spiralled off from there into some other related stuff like Warehouse 13.
So there's every possibility our boss is actually a witch.
 
@doppelgreener Oops, my bad. I thought when you said "That's pretty much her' that you were referring to my comment.
 
4:44 AM
Here's an aspect looking for a subject:
What that man had to do to win that respect, or who that man was, I wish I knew. http://t.co/iGL0B7q6QT
 
@Miniman Oh right. Sorry, I don't know Kureha!
 
I only respect one man is a BRILLIANT aspect.
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@Lord_Gareth when you are here, I was wondering if you could add anything to this advice
 
Even Goats Respect Me
 
Goats on roofs only respect me
 
4:49 AM
@BESW I agree and yet it comes off very differently (to me) if I write I only respect one woman.
Is that just me?
 
5:05 AM
4d10
 
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@Lord_Gareth (actually that situation seems mostly sorted now, I think...)
 
5:24 AM
@doppelgreener It's a tragic effect of the different bars set for "respect" by gender
I have the same reading.
 
Or, yanno, it could just be because 'man' is both gendered and gender-neutral while 'woman' is not.
Usage and context counts for a lot.
 
Some of both I think
 
@BESW Except it seems pretty gendered in that phrase: Superman saying I only respect one man would come off as a poor choice of pronoun if he was talking about Lois.
@BESW I agree. We can pull that off totally respectfully.
@Grubermensch <- though I think this also has some truth to it.
 
@doppelgreener Unless it's in response to a vigorous anti-hero speech about mistrust, and Supes is throwing the guy's phrase back at him.
 
We're at a disadvantage here because we're discussing the phrase without a person to attach it to or context it might be said in, and the person could be an extremely respectable and amazing individual and encompass no problematic gender perceptions at all. So the phrase is blowing about unfettered in the wind, free to catch onto whatever connotations (good or bad) it might blow near.
 
5:29 AM
Also consider: does your impression of "respect" conveyed by the phrase change if it's a woman saying I respect only one man and I respect only one woman?
 
@BESW I only respect one man (and an unspecified number of women)
 
...or a xenomorph?
 
@BESW Yes, which is troubling.
 
It's a difference in connotations, the phrase can evaluate to both "I think most people are OK but there's only one I respect" and "I disrespect everyone else".
When the attention is drawn to the fact it it's a woman we're talking about, as opposed to the neutral-ish "man", it leans towards the latter meaning: "I only respect one woman, as opposed to every other woman".
 
@Magician yeah that's exactly what is coming up for me.
so I guess it's just a weird side-effect of the pronouns and our using 'man' as a gender-neutral pronoun too (despite the fact it isn't)
 
user61230
5:33 AM
FWIW, I actually don't read it that way - I read "I only respect one man" as "I only respect one male human."
 
See, my natural interpretation is "I only respect one person."
 
but problematically, also, for me I thought "gee this notion of only respecting men sure sounds like a DC thing" and now suddenly the phrase is tied up with DC in my mind (a context wherein gender issues are seriously present) and I am also distracted by like 10 other things so I don't think I am in prime condition to be reflecting on tranquil thoughts on the matter.
 
Ambiguous language, yay.
 
That is one issue -- when I read "man" I generally think, as Emrakul, "male human," unless it's super clear that the universal "man" is being used from the context. It's a difference of perspective in my case: I'm not a man, I work toward gender neutral language as much as possible in my own speech, etc. so man is male by default. The exact nature of "I only respect one man" and its impact would change for me based on the context, though.
 
yeah context of usage and speaker is super important and we don't have it here
in fact imagine if this guy was saying it
he might be referring to Clara, or Vastra, or a horse
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5:43 AM
Unfortunately English lacks a commonly recognised singular gender-neutral pronoun which is considered respectful enough to use for humans.
Many people on Guam--especially Filipinos--have trouble with 'he' and 'she' in English, interchanging them randomly, because their languages have no gendered pronouns as we understand them.
 
Pronouns are not commonly agreed upon, but in the case of universal "man," "person" is simple.
 
I respect only one person
 
But this would only work if masculinity is indeed not important in the context.
 
Strax: I respect only one person.
Doctor: Who?
Strax: This small bin. It is marvellous! Look at it. [wiggles the lid]
Doctor: That's not a person.
Strax: You take that back right now, or face obliteration!
 
5:47 AM
@doppelgreener was gonna say, he doesn't have a working sense of gender at all :)
 
@waxeagle suddenly I want to work this into my elder god child character.
and give him no proper sense of what is a person and how genders work, like Strax.
 
And cross-language issues are definitely another matter entirely. If one's native language works in a very different manner than another language one has learned, perfection is a pretty steep expectation.
 
Ich am heere to wryte narratif verse and learne about the axolotl.
 
@BESW This is a fun tweeter.
or twit, as the case may be.
 
I want an axolotl. D:
 
user61230
5:56 AM
I found a way to combine Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook. I'm calling the service You[snip]Face.
 
I was fond of The Middleman's "Yourfaceinatube" social media site.
 
@BESW haha, that sounds terrifying
@Emrakul i would use this service
 
@Emrakul I'm reminded of the computer in Courage the Cowardly Dog.
 
user61230
Yessss. Two votes of confidence and a good reference is a healthy sign for any obscure and insulting service!
 
6:55 AM
hello
 
Word
 
Hello
 
Ah, hell, I forgot my customary greeting. One moment.
[Exits]
[Returns]
DARKNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
'sup @Pixie?
 
7:12 AM
> au where dark water/death in heaven was as good as twilight’s kingdom
>
> … au where doctor who series eight was as good as mlp season four
My friend really has opinions on shows.
 
@Lord_Gareth Woah, the notification scared me. I'd never heard it on headphones before. xD Not much! How are you?
 
@Pixie Writing archetypes to make specific classes undead-functional.
 
@Lord_Gareth I saw you mention that earlier, I think. Sounds interesting.
 
I'm just kind of wandering in and out in between poring over Fate and trying to come up with the Christmas list my parents requested.
 
7:20 AM
@Lord_Gareth What does this involve? (Or: What does "undead-functional" mean?)
@Pixie BESW and I and the entire Fate Chat room are available and at your disposal for questions (and of course, y'know, the entire site)
so is Magician now, come to think of it!
 
@doppelgreener Two things. The first is that undead channeling or manipulating positive energy is somewhat awkward given their traditional weakness. The rules handle it just fine but it cause a fluff disconnect.
 
@doppelgreener Heh, thanks! I don't have any specific questions at present. I'm just rereading because it's been a while, and we might get back on track with game planning soon. Also I have nothing better to do.
 
The second, and more important, is that undead are immune to morale bonuses. As a result, certain classes' main features straight up stop working for undead.
And third, undead are immune to mind-affecting abilities, which makes a lot of existing bonuses in main classes redundant
All of this would normally not be important.
But I'm sort of doing a vampire supplement.
So suddenly it needs resolving
 
I was going to ask what it was for. I might have to look into it when it's out.
 
@Pixie I'll let you know when the open beta starts. DSP's very, very committed to the beta process.
Helps keep QA good.
 
7:31 AM
@Lord_Gareth Keep me updated as well
 
@Lord_Gareth Sweet! I don't know if I'll get a chance to use it anytime soon, but I'd love to look at it.
 
because bloody hell there's some stuff I wish I had caught earlier
 
@Metool At least you're not too late for PoW: E ?
 
I guess so?
 
8:01 AM
Could I get a few quick opinions on something?
 
Sure!
 
I have a specific situation I'm planning in my campaign, and I'd like to test it out to see what actual players might do in that situation
 
Alright, what's that?
 
The situation is: You and 3-4 other strangers (the party) have met up in the city square of a major city. An official is making an announcement, blah blah king is dead blah.
Then, at the end of it, the official calls out all 4-5 of you by name, and marks you as traitors to the crown, wanted for aiding in the assassination of the rightful king of all the land.
 
Nope right out of there.
 
8:04 AM
Note that none of you have ever met each other, let alone planned anything, and for many of you this is your first visit to the city, possibly from far away.
Guess I should also note that this is about 5 minutes into the campaign
Not so much interested in what the characters would do (running seems fairly obvious), but what you, as a player, would think of this and what kind of expectations it would set up for the rest of the game.
It seems like a really cool hook to the game for me, but at the same time I can't help but feel like it'll just come off as arbitrary and silly.
 
Seeing as this is 5 minutes into the game and requires player buy-in, why not discuss it before the game, and ask them to play along?
Starting from "you have never seen each other before, now play your entirely unconnected characters, except here's plot" can easily devolve into there not being a party at all.
 
What do you mean?
 
Unless players agree to stick together OoC, characters might just take one look at one another, decide they don't owe anything to these strangers, and be on their way, once the initial action is resolved.
It happens a lot, sadly
 
Says a friend, "I, as a player, would be kinda surprised that a good hook to a game was put out, and I'd assume that the rest of the game would either be of the same caliber, or would quickly devolve."
 
@Lord_Gareth Yes, I can understand how these would suddenly all become very big problems...
 
8:17 AM
Well, it might help that I was planning a sort of "Though you have never seen each other before, each of you feels a strange connection to the others. A sense of familiarity that you can't shake."
Essentially, the characters are reincarnations of heroes past, your typical sort of destined heroes.
That's another integral part of the game, though the concept is played with a bit.
 
@AgentPaper It might! But that also requires player buy-in. It comes down to the My Guy syndrome, basically.
 
I was thinking of hinting at that, but by the sound of things it might be best to be more up-front about that aspect.
 
Well, I don't know what your group is like. I've had players who'd happily go along and have their characters be nice to one another from the start, and I've had players who enjoy challenging other characters and challenging the GM by not outright agreeing to follow the offered hooks.
 
@Metool What do you mean by "the same caliber"?
 
My guess (since I won't speak for the friend in question) is 'same quality'.
And yes, I'm asking.
"The same level of interest for quests."
"It may come across as railroading to some, but it's hard to start a game without some of it."
 
8:22 AM
Well, I don't think there's any other hooks that are quite as strong, since this one sets off basically the entire campaign (it's not completely resolved until something like level 10-15, depending on how you look at it)
 
The hook is good. It's the "you don't know one another and have no reason to trust one another, other than the vague feeling you all get, by order" that raises alarms in my head.
Eh, should be fine.
 
Well, as long as it's enough for them to run away together, rather than in every direction, that should be OK.
 
 
1 hour later…
9:33 AM
Can someone check my math? I think the Weird Mode Commander on ARRPG 300 costs 8 skill points.
(^ @doppelgreener, @trogdor, @Magician, et al.)
 
I've no clue what you're talking about, but "Weird Mode" sounds like an awesome mechanic.
 
In the Atomic Robo RPG, character creation involves picking three groups of skills, called modes, and ranking them 1 through 3.
The default modes are Action, Banter, Intrigue, and Science.
The skills within a mode all come into play with a modifier equal to that mode's rank, +1 for every other lower-ranked mode you've chosen which also has that skill.
If you want to do something with your character that doesn't fit the four default modes, the manual gives all the guidance and mechanics necessary to get your hands dirt in the guts of the system and invent your own custom modes.
These custom modes --and all other non-standard character options-- are collectively referred to as "Weird."
 
9:49 AM
@BESW where is this?
 
@trogdor Page 300.
 
ah ok
I was a little confused
 
Default skill values are on 72, Tactics is on 91.
 
I think I am counting 10....
unless I am adding this the wrong way
 

 Fate chat and game room

Good questions raised here should hit the main site too! Fudge...
 
10:25 AM
M'rr. Bundle of Holding won't take my money. I suspect my bank has once again done something silly.
However!
Bundle of Holding has a Bundle of Fate +2 event going on.
 
10:51 AM
We all had a meeting and officially agreed it's ok to call comics comics, you don't need to say 'graphic novel'
 
 
1 hour later…
11:55 AM
Aspect for a robot: Wore out my sanity chip.
 
12:05 PM
hehe
I think I require sleep
tomorrow might require much energy
 
I'm waiting for the benedryl to kick in.
 
1:08 PM
Anyone else have issues with Roll20's tracking forum topics and posts and such? It's not showing anything for me...
Not showing anything in the topics I follow either.
 
This site thinks it's generating random hipster company names and logos. But what works for hipsters works for taverns too.
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1:23 PM
Good morning
@Magician Wow. I love all these names.
Each one is perfect for a generic tavern/shop name
It even provides a logo
 
1:36 PM
Hi. When did dndtools.eu closed the doors?
Yesterday site was unavailable, today it has a disclaimer that the site is taken down.
 
1:58 PM
@Cediddi not surprised. It's a place we've been asking people to stay away from linking to for a couple of years now
 
Also, it's pretty much 100% illegal. So, yeah.
 
yeah with 5e's release makes sense theyd be out kicking down the doors
 
they C&D'd that guy with the spellbook generator pretty quick
 
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