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12:46 AM

I am stuck in one of these moments

i am stuck trying to figure out how the hell the system agnostic tag applies in a particular question that doesn't seem to look right with it and wouldn't be right without it and may not look right with the system the person is using

Tritium21

link?

oh, its after midnight, utc. I can resume earning rep on Science Fiction & Fantasy

doppelgreener

@Tritium21 it's this one, alos serves as an example in the meta question i created yesterday. with system-agnostic seems to fly in the face of the person having a system, with nwod it's gonna funnel questions down to people making mechanical suggestions (apparently the asker doesn't want that?), with neither someone's going to come along and add one of them.

Miniman

@doppelgreener Honestly, I'm starting to view the system-agnostic tag as shorthand for "I want large swathes of subjective ambiguity, not real answers."

Tritium21

I can understand why they dont want an NWoD answer though. RTFM re: Hunter the Vigil

which is not the right answer, but what would come out

Adeptus

12:59 AM

I just stumbled onto this question (& answer)

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A: Fantasy accent and dialect, or how do I speak like Tom Hanks in Cloud Atlas?

Creating slang and dialect is an art, not a science, and there are two basic strategies: invent it, or steal it. If you invent dialect, don't invent words Berk, from Berkeley Hunt or a rhyming insult. Cutter, definition 11. Barmy, Etymology 2, from balmy. and chant is just a description of ora...

Tritium21

@doppelgreener There are bigger points in your meta-post that i think need addressing first before that (what does someone really mean when they tag 3.5, 3, and pathfinder?)

Adeptus

I didn't realise that's where "berk" came from. And, do Americans really use "balmy" instead of "barmy"? That's... barmy!

doppelgreener

@Miniman that's used unfortunately often that way it seems, yes: someone either uses the tag then says "I'm using this system, in case it matters", underestimating how relevant their system is. Or, they say "I'm using this system," but for whatever reasons I have yet to really understand, they want system-agnostic answers.

@Adeptus i like that one a lot

Tritium21

@Adeptus I have been an american all my life. Never heard of that

doppelgreener

@Tritium21 that is also a big deal yes

Adeptus

1:02 AM

(but then, they also have a luncheon meat spelled Bologna but pronounced "baloney"... and that has no connection at all with the city of Bologna)

Tritium21

@Adeptus How is that on topic for rpg.se anyways?

Bologna sausage, sometimes phonetically spelled as baloney (/bəˈloʊni/),[1] boloney or polony, is a sausage derived from the Italian mortadella, a similar looking finely ground pork sausage containing cubes of lard, originally from the Italian city of Bologna,

Adeptus

@Tritium21 Look at the question title. It's about creating accent & slang in a fantasy setting (ie, for a RPG).

Tritium21

@Adeptus so? its a question about accents.

Adeptus

@Tritium21 ok, it has some tenuous connection to the city of Bologna... but the pronunciation still makes no sense

Tritium21

eh, its old enough to predate both the linguistics and worldbuilding ses, but not really on topic here

The Oracle

1:06 AM

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Q: Is homebrew an acceptable answer to a question?

Perhaps it's just the game designer in me, but for many of the questions asked here I almost automatically start thinking of homebrew solutions to whatever problem the asker is having. Would providing a short bit of homebrew rules be an acceptable "answer" to a question? The clearest example is ...

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Adeptus

@Tritium21 Exactly. If it was a new question, maybe it'd be better on one of them, but without worldbuilding & linguistics specific sites, it's about an RPG setting, so is best fit for here.

Tritium21

@Adeptus Its not about any specific known RPG setting (they used Planescape as an example, that's all).

And the city... ba-lown-ya. it would not take much of a new york accent for metathesis to make it ba-low-ne

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Q: Why is the word 'bologna' pronounced like 'baloney'?

Why is the word 'bologna' (as in a bologna sandwich) pronounced so differently from the way it's spelled? The word 'lasagna' isn't pronounced 'lasagney'... The American sausage is derived from a similar Italian sausage that originated in the city of Bologna, yet the name of the city is pronounc...

pronunciation orthography loan-words

Adeptus

Yeah, this answer makes the most sense to me

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A: Why is the word 'bologna' pronounced like 'baloney'?

This is speculation on my part, but my thinking on the pronunciation is based on this entry at the Online Etymology Dictionary: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=baloney baloney: slang for "nonsense," 1922, Amer.Eng. (popularized 1930s by N.Y. Gov. Alfred E. Smith), from earlier sense ...

Metool

tomato-ish soup, with macaroni, peas, and chunks of sausage and brussel sprouts. spiced ro perfection

I now understand why the buff item in Patapon is stew

@Pixie wow, nice

doppelgreener

1:23 AM

@Adeptus i think it's near enough the mark of potentially having RPG concerns that it could go either way

i.e. fine enough to ask here, fine to ask elsewhere too

Shalvenay

so, I was reading @mxyzplk's answer to rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/16065/… and it's bringing up a nasty, nasty philosophical problem for me

I have no trouble imagining magic and RL physics/chem interacting in ways that are utterly immersion-shattering for some (many?) other RPers

example: using a Manufacture spell on the salt inside an ooze to convert it into hypochlorite, which then oxidizes the ooze, burning it to death from the inside out

Tritium21

digging up a 2 year old question?

Shalvenay

@Tritium21: why not? it's a good question with good answers, and is what inspired this issue, even if it is a bit tangential to the original thrust of the question-as-written

doppelgreener

@Tritium21 there may or may not be a bunch of people here who are secretly necromancers

Tritium21

@doppelgreener Look at my Stack Overflow badges... I am not so secretly a necromancer

Shalvenay

1:31 AM

hahah

I've done a bit of necromancy myself in the SO/SE world

doppelgreener

okay it seems we have rather a lot of necromancers here

Metool

@Zachiel To some, yes.

Tritium21

on the technical SEs it makes a little more sense - the answer can actually change drastically with time.

Shalvenay

so...what should I do when other RPers complain about my character taking a detail-dependent action that breaks their sense of immersion?

(i.e. my character did something that uses details they'd rather not care about in their RP)

Tritium21

Are you touching their hot buttons? (stuff they would rather not talk about in life/their triggers)

Shalvenay

1:34 AM

@Tritium21: no, not necessarily

doppelgreener

@Shalvenay Stand up, put one foot on your chair, and proclaim that all their immersion has been destroyed as weak and the ruins shall be used to build a new and glorious kingdom in your name

Tritium21

In that case, I question how immersed they were in the first place

(assuming your actions are consistent with the universe)

Shalvenay

good points, but sometimes it can be hard to argue with them when they're complaining about you defining a magic lightning bolt as 30kA in the context of a high-fantasy world

doppelgreener

then i don't know if this is a matter of "you're breaking our immersion!" so much as "these aren't setting details we want there!"

Tritium21

that is inconsistent with the universe.

Shalvenay

1:36 AM

@doppelgreener: I suspect you are right, even

doppelgreener

that issue in particular has nothing to do with immersion

Adeptus

@Shalvenay How does your character know what a kA is?

Tritium21

using SI units of measure in a pre-industrial world....

Shalvenay

@Tritium21: how so? 30kA is 30kA, even if you can't figure out how to measure it straight away...and this is in action text, not IC discussion, mind you

doppelgreener

i can be totally unimersed and say "wait... what? no, the cybermen aren't built out of alfoil."

Shalvenay

1:37 AM

@Tritium21: re: SI units: in a global game, you really have no other choice.

Adeptus

(besides the fact of it being named after a real-world scientist...)

"I cast a 30 kilo-Gandalf lightning bolt!"

Shalvenay

it is very possible anymore to be RPing with people who have no idea how long a foot is

harhar

Tritium21

@Shalvenay use the units of measure for the fantasy realm. cubit comes to mind

they have feet dont they?

Shalvenay

hrm...even in action descriptions?

Tritium21

that is rather jarring

even in action descriptions

Adeptus

1:39 AM

describe things in terms that are setting appropriate

Shalvenay

interesting

as to my more general point, though? lets use the Manufacture spell converting chloride to hypochlorite inside an ooze

Tritium21

There is realism, consistency, and verisimilitude. I would aim for the latter

doppelgreener

@Tritium21 well the other issue is that in a fantasy game, you might be in Europe and have the several dozen names for various amounts of pennies and pounds, but we might skip over those details too.

Adeptus

unless all the players know what a 30kA bolt of electricity looks like, it adds nothing to the description. You may as well say it's 30 bzordles

Tritium21

@doppelgreener but breaking out kilo-ampere for a lightning bolt spell...

doppelgreener

1:40 AM

also in a middle ages world, technically the Great Vowel Shift hasn't finished yet, and possibly hasn't even started, so everyone should be pronouncing words in ways we couldn't hope to understand.

@Tritium21 yeah, that is something the players might protest

"who says it's 30kA!"

Shalvenay

whereas, I don't grasp what verisimilitude is, go for consistency to data not lore, and have no trouble with inserting reality into the strangest of places

Adeptus

@Shalvenay if your character wouldn't know it, you shouldn't use it

Tritium21

'30kA Arc' should or could be 'the lightning from the tamest of summer storms'

Shalvenay

but I have to eat and will continue this later

Tritium21

I am ok with using out of character terms in action text... the problem is, you are changing the feel of the setting from fantasy to scifi

Is this a question on the site?

Adeptus

1:44 AM

If your character has experimented on oozes and discovered that salt hurts them, then Manufacture salt inside them as an attack (if the DM allows that usage of the spell). But, how do you (the player or character) know that oozes contain chloride?

Tritium21

if you are an alchemist in your setting, describe what you are trying to do in archaic terms, and at most, parenthetically, clarify in modern terms.

In alchemical terms, you are taking the salt from an ooze and mixing it with maid's whitener.

in Geneva Convention terms, you are making a chemical weapon

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er... well, you are making sodium hypochlorite, and presumably mixing it with hydrogen nitride

Shalvenay

hypochlorite by itself does the trick @Tritium21: it's the active ingredient in bleach

Tritium21

Bleach is Sodium Hypochlorite

Shalvenay

Adeptus: they have seen oozes attracted to salt?

Tritium21

the key is using in-universe terms, otherwise it sounds like metagaming or genera shifting

Shalvenay

1:56 AM

yeah, I also split the definition of metagaming in two

there's metagaming using OOC details of a specific storyline, which is always bad

and then there's metagaming using the rules of world behavior, which I see as OK

what inhibits our characters from observing how their surroundings behave and adapting accordingly, in other words?

Tritium21

What...kind of character are you playing? if you had to pitch the character, how would you do it?

omit mechanical stuff

Shalvenay

I have seen this with several characters in several universes

Tritium21

<dr. phill voice> "Have you considered that you may be the problem?"

Shalvenay

yes, but I also RP in places where the second type of metagaming is generally considered OK, and the RP as a whole works quite nicely there, in some ways better than in a universe where characters are blind to how their world behaves

so, I don't see what prohibiting the second type of metagaming (I call it metagaming because it's closer in sense to the competitive definition of the term) is about

Tritium21

It really comes down to the character. If you are playing a "Holmes" type character.. the avid observer, then there is no immersion breaking. If you are playing Grunt, the shadowrun street-sam ork... it totally break immersion.

Shalvenay

2:03 AM

@Adeptus: re the OOC aspect of oozes containing chloride: find me a RL life form that doesn't have a bunch of Na+ and Cl- roaming around

nods I do stay away from the street-sam orks

Adeptus

@Shalvenay OK. I'm not big on chemistry (like your fellow players & DM might not be), so I didn't realise that. But, how does your character know that, and know how to use it in an attack like you describe?

doppelgreener

@shalv, which system are you playing in?

Tritium21

(also, this wreaks of having knowledge of world war 1 -- apt for today)

(a war that ended 95 years ago today)

Shalvenay

@Adeptus: the first part is easy: they'd see animals attracted to salt, and recognize its life-essential nature as a result

@doppelgreener: my imagination was in AD&D2e for that particular example, however it's a problem that isn't limited to any one system

doppelgreener

right. the system's relevant though.

Shalvenay

2:09 AM

@Adeptus: the second part takes a salt solution, a couple of electrodes, an electricity spell, and an old rag :p

Tritium21

setting more than system

Shalvenay

yeah, I think the greater problem here is that lore cannot be truth for me

doppelgreener

consider that in AD&D 2e there's no guarantee such things as the periodic table exist, nor that the phenomenon of amperes exists. ooze may simply be a creature made primarily of aristotelian water. ("sodium? chloride? what are those?")

Adeptus

@Shalvenay "Salt is life-essential. I'll give it more as an attack!" <-- doesn't sound like a logical leap

doppelgreener

heck, it's the case in recent D&D editions that there's no evidence a cardiovascular system exists in the way we understand it (certainly various things suggest at the very least it works very differently), that may be the case for AD&D 2e

Shalvenay

2:11 AM

@Adeptus: not 'give it more salt' -- although you can poison someone with sufficient doses of just about anything. turn the salt already inside it into bleach

Tritium21

D&D does not, explicitly, follow physics.

doppelgreener

so it's not a given it's the case, and you're introducing setting assumptions that the other players might rather not be present.

Tritium21

oh god i hate when that happens.

doppelgreener

for some of them, roleplaying is a matter of escapism, so a fantastic world that does not run with the same concept of physics is an important part of that.

Adeptus

44 mins ago, by Shalvenay

example: using a Manufacture spell on the salt inside an ooze to convert it into hypochlorite, which then oxidizes the ooze, burning it to death from the inside out

I misread that as "Manufacture spell (to create) salt inside an ooze..."

Shalvenay

2:13 AM

@Adeptus: the salt's the raw material for the spell, with the hypochlorite as the end product :)

right.

Tritium21

Gaming story: i was part of an online scifi game, where space stations the size of solar systems and intergalactic travel was common.. until the head GM had life happen, and appointed someone else... who made the game hard scifi. killed that game with fire, they did

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener: that's something I have heard in other places as well; HOWEVER: while I'm willing to bend physics enough to let magic have a place in a fantasy world, a world with no tie to physics at all simply cannot exist in my mind

Miniman

@Shalvenay But how does your medieval fantasy character know any physics whatsoever?

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Shalvenay

@Miniman: the same way folks like Newton and Galileo figured things out: observing the world around them

observation and experimentation

Adeptus

@Shalvenay basic physics is fine. Things fall/burn/have momentum/etc as usual, unless interfered with by outside forces (or magic). But what you're talking about with the oozes is advanced chemistry. That knowledge doesn't exist in-game, chemistry = alchemy.

Miniman

2:16 AM

@Shalvenay So...your character has somehow performed a chemical analysis on an ooze to discover that they contain salt, and done sufficient experimentation with salt to work out a way to turn it into hypochlorite?

Shalvenay

heh; to me, it's something right there on the table for any old alchemist to figure out (the salt => hypochlorite bit, anyway)

Tritium21

@Shalvenay I know real world modern scientists that would love to directly observe atoms.

Adeptus

@Shalvenay And when was that discovered?

Shalvenay

@Tritium21: you don't have to directly observe atoms in order to figure this stuff out

Tritium21

1914

Adeptus

2:18 AM

@Tritium21 So, way after alchemy

Miniman

@Shalvenay Yeah, you have access to a bunch of preexisting knowledge that your old alchemist didn't. He doesn't know that salt is sodium chloride, for instance.

Shalvenay

1789 for KOCl, and shortly thereafter for NaOCl

Tritium21

It was a reaction discovered in a german chemical weapons research lab

Adeptus

@Shalvenay Still way after alchemy

Miniman

Don't forget, we're talking about characters in a world that has been in the Dark Ages for its entire history.

Shalvenay

2:19 AM

@Miniman: true, however, he can make the leap from 'salt' to 'what happens if I put a current through this?' to 'oh, this new substance oxidizes things' without those details

Miniman

@Shalvenay Sorry, what does oxidizes mean? And how can he create a current?

Tritium21

1620 i know of an active alchemist in Turkey - an Armenian. His company still exists

Shalvenay

oxidize = burn, and voltaic piles have been known since antiquity, never mind the existence of lightning magic

Tritium21

burning is the fire element feeding

that is how the alchemists of D&D would understand it...

Miniman

I know what oxidize means, I'm suggesting that your medieval alchemist doesn't.

Shalvenay

2:21 AM

heheh...they'd probably give the substance a name like 'white fire water' or something like that

Tritium21

And in D&D it might actually be true that fire is an element, that feeds, and has will

Shalvenay

doesn't mean it won't cause a rag to smolder

Miniman

@Tritium21 Given the existence of, yanno, fire elementals I think we can take that as a given.

Tritium21

@Miniman thatsthejoke

Miniman

@Tritium21 Sorry, I'm reacting badly to this conversation.

doppelgreener

2:24 AM

@Shalvenay well, what we call physics is our observations of a number of phenomena that interact to make the world work the way it does. We just so happen to be in a world that has hydrogen and oxygen atoms, and strong and weak atomic forces and electromagnetism that make those bind together into O2 and H2O, and so on. It just so happens that O2 is clear, H2O has water tension, and so on.

Tritium21

It feels kinda like a pile on. it might be a better conversation for a long form forum

Shalvenay

@doppelgreener: liquid O2 is a light blue, even

doppelgreener

A fantasy world can also operate based on a number of phenomena, and those may get called physics or people might decide to call it something else, and those phenomena don't have to resemble our own.

Shalvenay

I'm OK with people calling it something else; the problem is -- if you are going to uproot physics/chem as a whole, to me, you better replace them at the same level of detail

and that's something most settings and systems are utterly unwilling to do

Miniman

Because it's not even vaguely the point of most systems.

doppelgreener

2:26 AM

Yeah, 'cept, the same level of detail may not exist. Like, we have crazily contrived subatomic physics particles that aren't guaranteed to exist in alternate realities.

And yeah, that's not the point: systems don't care about subatomic physics or what makes the world run.

heck, if they did, I'd want to stay the hell away from that system. GURPS and D&D are complicated enough.

Miniman

It kinda sounds like you want to play in a system that is 100% simulation and allows you to freely use your OOC knowledge.

Which may exist, could be worth a question on the site.

Shalvenay

a SF-simulationist system would probably fit the bill, even

but yeah...LoD is a constant problem for me, not just in the 'how the world works' arena either

Tritium21

If the argument is "GURPS is not crunchy enough", then I don't think there is a generic system with enough crunch to answer the question. — Tritium21 2 mins ago

oddly enough

Shalvenay

I find myself at odds with other RPers over my tendency to make combat scenes intensely detailed and detail-dependent, as well

as in, straight-up swordfighting

Tritium21

@Shalvenay I know someone who is looking to play Aftermath! - which apparently has detailed rules for wiping your butt

Shalvenay

2:30 AM

hahaha

what is verisimilitude btw?

Tritium21

"The appearance of reality without having to actually be realistic"

Shalvenay

aaaaaaah. that's something I do very poorly -- you cannot appear to be realistic without being realistic in my mind

also see: lore vs. data -- if the lore says that X should happen when my character does A, and my character does A several times and gets not-X as a result...

Tritium21

google.com/search?q=define%3Averisimilitude

Shalvenay

I'm going to disregard that chunk of lore than and there

Tritium21

so i restate: <dr. phill voice> "Have you considered that you may be the problem?"

doppelgreener

2:37 AM

@Tritium21 haha, fair call, i was concerned about that too

Tritium21

Yay, loud motorcycles and police sirens. welp, if someone needs an organ donation, they will get it in a few minutes

doppelgreener

"you want a system that has extraordinary levels of detail... but for potentially everything..?"

Shalvenay

yes...I'm not sure how to resolve it without basically saying 'the scientific method has ceased to exist', which causes the entire world-simulation to end in a contradiction

Tritium21

To be fair, then they want HERO

Shalvenay

either a system that defines it, or a system that stays out of the way and a setting that defines it, or a system and setting that both defer to RL as much as possible on it

Miniman

2:39 AM

@Shalvenay Is it worth pointing out that RPGs are an essentially escapist activity?

Tritium21

@Shalvenay The problem, objectively, is you are using the distillation of hundreds of lifetimes of research... that hasn't happened yet, or can never happen, or are proven wrong, in the game you are playing.

Shalvenay

@Miniman: and I play them to tinker with alternate character/social/world formulations

Tritium21

@Shalvenay Apparently the rest of your table does it to kill the magic dragon for his stuff

Shalvenay

@Tritium21: remember that the credit doesn't go to the first person who found out about something -- it goes to the first person who found out about something, wrote it down, and had their writings survive for us to read it

Tritium21

something something same page tool

Miniman

2:41 AM

@Shalvenay Right, is there a reason why those motivations strongly require real-world physics?

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Shalvenay

@Miniman: because, to me, without some deference to physics, you do not have a world

Tritium21

@Shalvenay Then why are you playing fantasy?

where the physics are different.

Shalvenay

because sometimes, bending the RL rules is fun

Tritium21

oh, and a monkey wrench in your logic, the laws of physics only hold for THIS universe. They do not hold for other universes (that we know of)

Shalvenay

re: the same page tool: I have looked at it before, and all it can tell me is that I fall on a page that practically nobody else does

Tritium21

2:46 AM

then you really need to change your expectation of the game, or change the game you play

I would recommend the latter.

Pixie

@Adeptus Ahh, I see. I'm honestly not a big Disney person. I don't exactly dislike Disney, and I can acknowledge the quality and impact of their works, but they're not really near to my heart, either.

Shalvenay

to that note, I have started experimenting with other games

Miniman

@Shalvenay Given that this conversation started here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18571578#18571578 is it time to think about moving it to Not A Bar?

Shalvenay

3:17 AM

well, if Not a Bar wasn't so empty...

Pixie

I keep seeing questions I could potentially answer at work, then by the time I get home they have an accepted answer already. xD This is perfectly fine (someone got the answer they wanted, yay), but there's not a ton of questions I can answer since they often deal with systems I'm not proficient enough with to be a lot of help.

Miniman

@Pixie This is an extremely familiar problem.

Pixie

Oh well. Someday. xD

Miniman

@Pixie Reading your question on the site has given me a conundrum: Was Bleach, (at the start), a part of the 'magical girl genre'?

Pixie

@Miniman Unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with Bleach. I tried it briefly and couldn't get into it. But I would say probably not. They might share some similarities, but the magical girl genre is (or, well, genres are) a little more complex than just "transforming superheroes." That's the best way to distill it for the question, though, since it's one of the more universal things (though not totally) and was the thing I was trying to figure out how to express in Fate.

Metool

3:30 AM

Hello, @Pixie!

Pixie

@Metool Hi! :)

Miniman

@Pixie Yep, but this paragraph fits the first 30 or so Bleach episodes oddly well: PCs will have both an "unpowered" and a "powered" form that they move back and forth between. The narrative reason is the conflict inherent in leading double lives. Some low level supernatural abilities may exist in the "unpowered" form, but ideally, the PCs only have access to their highest tier of magical ability when "powered."

If I find a really old duplicate, should I still VTC?

Metool

@Miniman Totally!

doppelgreener

@Miniman moderation is timeless

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Miniman

Kay, done.

It's surprising it didn't happen when it first came out, actually.

Pixie

3:37 AM

@Miniman Oh yeah, like I said, they may well have similarities. But transformation is an element present in many different kind of stories. To flesh out the picture of common magical girl tropes, they function as coming of age stories (often exploring experiences not necessarily unique to but common to young girls). They often focus on of love and friendship. Emotion is often a pretty important element.

Miniman

@Pixie Ah ok, that makes sense. It's not a genre I'm particularly familiar with for...some reason.

Pixie

The "magical girl warrior" genre is the one we're most familiar with in the west, due to the popularity of Sailor Moon, but it arises out of very different kinds of stories, combining conventions of older magical girl series with sentai.

But there's definitely overlap, and there's only so much you can nail down about a show from the genre. We've discussed that before, haha.

BESW

4:45 AM

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Tritium21

I think my expertness has run out

Magician

@BESW btw, the Bundle of Holding message can probably be unpinned, as it's over.

BESW

Thanks.

Black Glove is over, too... any new Kickstarters I should add?

Tritium21

updates...bbl

Magician

@BESW I'm looking at Life Among the Ruins, but not entirely convinced I need it.

BESW

5:00 AM

Kickstarters: Paranoia; Life Among the Ruins.

If anyone finds any other Kickstarters that they think are worthy of pinning, ping me!

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Metool

5:28 AM

Ahhh, why are all the guys I adore straight or taken...

How are you all today?

Miniman

I'm hoping those two comments aren't connected...but good!

(Bored, though.)

BESW

Holding together.

Miniman

@BESW That doesn't sound too positive. Something up?

BESW

There usually is. My dad's in a decline again.

Miniman

Sorry to hear it.

Pixie

5:33 AM

I'm not so good. My friend is in pretty bad shape emotionally and although I can supportive, I'm not the professional that he needs.

Metool

Awh.

BESW

@Pixie Been there. Walked 'em to the shrink myself.

Pixie

@BESW Wish I could, not physically possible. I'm trying to get him to see someone or at least call a hotline.

Miniman

Last time I had a friend with this kind of issue, the problem wasn't getting him to see someone. The problem was getting him to talk to a professional instead of a school counselor.

Metool

[distributes hugs]

BESW

5:36 AM

@Metool [hugs back] I've been proximal to your situation, too.

Pixie

Hugs for everybody. :c

Miniman

[Not really a hugger] Attempts to radiate sympathy.

Grubermensch

PSA: Update y'all's Windoze boxen

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Tritium21

wonderful, i just rented a windows server

"Welcome to windows, our security infrastructure is a remote code execution vector"

Dorian

5:52 AM

well that was some good sleep. and i wake up to a ton of hard to find 3pp PF books

yay!

Metool

Woo?

@Miniman Not inherently, no.

Miniman

15 minutes to go...

Pixie

6:11 AM

Ugh. My computer cannot find the update.

Tritium21

...

Grubermensch

@Pixie How did we ever computer?

Pixie

Oh, there it went. It just took FOREVER.

doppelgreener

A ship. It's big. Really big. Vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big. Not quite as big as space, but big.

@BESW man, the problem with this kickstarter is there aren't really people saying "hey i played this, and the cards worked great!"

i'm not sure how having cards for moves will impact play, and the kickstarter doesn't say much either (unless i missed something on my last read-through)

i mean, there's D&D 4e, but that had cards as just a fancy way of desribing moves you were already gonna do - so you could lay them out in front of you, and then show them to people when you do them.

The Writer Emergency Pack looks like a compelling kickstarter. Not entirely relevant to RPGs, though!

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Dorian

6:32 AM

huh... soo the update is in windows automatic updates I assume?

Pixie

@Dorian Yeah. Mine doesn't always like to update like it should, though, so I'm manually updating right now. Like it claims to have scanned yesterday but didn't update. :v

Grubermensch

@Dorian Should be. You might need to tell it to check for updates manually, though.

Dorian

Then I probably got it without realizing it. For the first time in a few days I actually shut down my laptop today when I went for a job interview lol

Metool

@Pixie Remind me to poke you at some point about something.

Dorian

I've never had an issue with updates on here before.

I usually put my laptop in sleep mode due to the many unsaved notepad documents I keep running, but I saved everything and shut down today lol

Pixie

6:36 AM

@Metool Sure. :o I'm good to talk about stuff now (friend issues calmed down if that's what you were waiting on), but if you're not able to at the moment, just poke me whenever.

Dorian

So, I got job with amazon (a "contingent offer" meaning if I pass my drug and background test I got the job) and it'll probably start within 2-4 weeks (depending on how long it takes to process)

The only drawback... was the schedule they put me on. I worked it out to change that schedule though thankfully (I hope the change sticks) so I won't have to drop out of my two sunday games... But the evil game I was joining for wednesdays I won't be able to play now unless they move to mondays or something.

Pixie

@Dorian Aww, that's sad. Real life concerns have to come first but it always sucks to miss the fun.

Dorian

Yeah...

Especially after I put so much hard work into learning the system and building the chara

Pixie

I've been working like week straight periods with one day off in between. One of the other part-timers at the library has gotten so ill that she hasn't been able to work in about a month, so I'm picking up a lot of her shifts.

I still get to play my games, but it's tougher since I have late shifts sometimes. Since they're online I can at least tell them to get started without me since they usually start around half an hour to an hour before I get home and go for several hours afterward.

I'm tempted to chip in on this kickstarter because I absolutely adore this artist. kickstarter.com/projects/823962857/…

Dorian

6:52 AM

Yeah. My two sunday games one is in person one is online. And while the in person one I probably coulda still attended (just woulda had to leave early prolly to make sure I get to work on time) the online one was a definite no. Thankfully I got the schedule changed.

Pixie

well I screwed that formatting up :v

Dorian

Go ahead if you got the spare cash.

There's been a few that I've wanted to contribute to but I could never afford it.

Pixie

I probably shouldn't, I've given to two already this month and preordered some figures. This one's ending pretty soon too. But they're cool. I might buy them later.

Dorian

@BESW I do believe the kickstarter Pixie just posted qualifies for a kickstarter worth pinning. Here's the link again. kickstarter.com/projects/823962857/…

Pixie

It's over pretty soon though, and is mega-funded. But if people like minis, hey, beautiful minis.

BESW

6:56 AM

Kickstarters: Paranoia; Life Among the Ruins; Dark Sword Minis.

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Pixie

Mini campaigns always seem to do well. xD

I'm glad, though. I've been a fan of Stephanie Law foreeever.

BESW

@Pixie I've started pinning Kickstarters largely because people frequently seem to not hear about them until they're over.

Pixie

@BESW Yeah, good idea. That's happened to me, too.

Like the Little Witch Academia 2 kickstarter. Sob. I would have given a kidney to that.

Luckily it was funded. I'll just have to import the bluray myself when it's out instead of getting one automatically.

On that note, the Bee and Pupppycat kickstarter just sent me my signed comic. [swoon]

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