English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Damkerng T.

6:00 PM

Why not!? :)

Ice Boy

or maybe wait for ELL to get out of beta?

all the advanced questions & answers would have to be moved to "EnglishOverflow"

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar I found this: meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4356/…;. You could get a bit of those feelings back in 2013. :)

user116848

Oh, thanks!

Damkerng T.

@IceBoy Though I'm not sure how the majority will take that, I think it's a nice name. :)

Andrew Leach

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Q: Are we getting hats this year?

A question on Meta.GD.SE asks whether they want to participate in a Hat-Fest like ELU did last year. I guess that because there isn't a similar question here, it might actually be a foregone conclusion that ELU will get them again. Or it might not be and it could be that we've been forgotten; o...

It was called Winterbash.

Ice Boy

6:04 PM

the abbreviation: ELL is too similar to ELU

Damkerng T.

@AndrewLeach I hope we will have it again this year. :)

Ice Boy

6:24 PM

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Q: Renaming ELU to EnglishOverflow

May I suggest the following name changes: I think English Language Learners (ELL) should change its name to English Language & Usage (ELU) and ELU should become EnglishOverflow, just like MathOverflow is for professional mathematicians, what do you think of this logical unification of the two ...

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user116848

7:12 PM

I was searching for something and found this----> (grammarly.com) which looks pretty much like SE English site :)

user116848

I was searching for 'would rather'

user116848

So I guess English SE is in competition with sites like this and wordreference.com.

user116848

But none of these sites have a good chat option like here.

user116848

later!

user116848

:-)

Ice Boy

7:16 PM

later pal

Mitch

8:16 PM

@Cerberus I was really hungry.

Cerberus

9:09 PM

@Mitch How unfortunate.

I ate too many crisps.

Chris's sis

Greetings

What is the correct way, "it is never ... " or "it never is ... "? In general I use the former version, not the latter one. There are some exceptions?

Cerberus

Both are usually possible.

It never is is a bit more rhetorical.

Never is it is even more rhetorical.

Chris's sis

@Cerberus OK, thank you.

Cerberus

But maybe it depends on context as well.

Ice Boy

It always is context dependent. :-)

It is always context dependent.

Chris's sis

9:20 PM

@IceBoy OK :-)

Ice Boy

@Chris'ssis :-)

tchrist

9:50 PM

@IceBoy There are going to fight you tooth and nail. You should consider this prima facie evidence that you are correct.

Ice Boy

Thanks :D @tchrist

tchrist

-2

A: "my friend" vs "a friend of mine"

I like girls with big fat titties. I like girls with big vaginas. So come on down to South Park and meet some friends of mine.

Johan Larsson

:)

Cerberus

Haha.

Voted to delete.

Johan Larsson

delete the haters

tchrist

10:00 PM

@IceBoy The haters are piling it on.

My guess is that these are the cliquish in-group who enjoys who messed up and misleading the situation is, the one who enjoy seeing SE failing at serving the community.

Johan Larsson

Is tooth and nail commonly used?

I've never heard it before.

Will Hunting

@JohanLarsson I brush my teeth more often now.

tchrist

And honestly, I have no sympathy for people who want things to fail, not succeed.

@JohanLarsson Very very very very often.

Johan Larsson

@WillHunting progress! I'm proud :)

@tchrist ^4

Ice Boy

Tooth and nail is an old saying.

I don't think the younger generation uses it.

tchrist

10:05 PM

Lead, follow, or get out of the way: those are the only choices. Snarkily sabotaging the very troupe who are actually trying to get somewhere is not something any organization should long tolerate.

Cry havoc and release the hounds of yore, Smithers!

I’m sorry sir, they let slip their leads last night when the trolls attacked.

Ice Boy

Give it 24 hours before I accept your answer @tchrist :-)

tchrist

I want guard-lions.

Ice Boy

Me too.

And a dragon.

tchrist

A lion beats a dog any day.

Ice Boy

No wimpy three headed dogs allowed :D

Just kidding pal

Johan Larsson

10:12 PM

@tchrist A polar bear beats a lion.

Will Hunting

@IceBoy But it won't really be for professional linguists, right? So I don't really agree.

tchrist

@JohanLarsson Aquatic non-canids need not apply.

Ice Boy

Release the dragon on the nay sayers.

Will Hunting

The dragon? lol

Ice Boy

Fire breathing dragon.

Will Hunting

10:14 PM

I don't think english overflow will ever be at the same level as math overflow

What I propose is that the current elu and ell merge into elu and serve both communities.

Ice Boy

But it will set a pattern for names.

Will Hunting

I really don't see the difference between ell and elu.

Ice Boy

L ---> U

Will Hunting

But I think this will never happen.

Because Jeff Atwood wanted ELL. I did not want it, like Robert Cartaino.

tchrist

See above.

Ice Boy

10:17 PM

But, but ah nvm.

tchrist

No passing fancy, that.

And they’ll beat a tatoo at twenty to two.

Will Hunting

@IceBoy Just look at the current ELU. How many are "research level" questions? None.

tchrist

@WillHunting There’s all bloody SWR that should be closed with extreme prejudice.

They are all gimmes.

They are lazy, useless, nonquestions that do nothing to improve the site, nor make the world a better place.

It is become the domain of predatory vampires and rabid trolls.

Will Hunting

I also find the segregation into Unix and Linux, Ask Ubuntu, Superuser, etc quite stupid.

tchrist

They’ll have your tongue for that, lad.

Will Hunting

10:19 PM

Now all 3 sites can have an Ubuntu question. There is no one central place to look.

tchrist

That way they can have three times as much spamvertising.

Ice Boy

Looks like you had to be born in the 1930's to be a true "tooth and nail"-er :-)

Will Hunting

I will pull out all your teeth and nails, lol.

Ice Boy

Ouch :-(

Will Hunting

Maybe this whole SE should just close down, lol.

tchrist

10:23 PM

Or this our current millennium.

Ice Boy

Thanks pal.

tchrist

@IceBoy They hatez youz foreverz!!!!

Will Hunting

They should just have the chat left.

tchrist

And no one argues against. They just dingledork you.

Those who will neither lead, follow, nor get out of the way shall be crushed into bloody paste beneath the jackboots of the soldiers of tomorrow marching forever into the future. May their poppies be orange ones.

Ice Boy

Ok, I'll accept the answer on Saturday night and watch the nay sayers burn with the fever.

Will Hunting

10:28 PM

Saturday night fever?

Ice Boy

The one and only.

Will Hunting

Maybe I will add an opposing answer there and see how many votes it gets.

Ice Boy

:-O

Will Hunting on ignore