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6:01 AM
@Bob so is the raising of our terror level just a poltical stunt?
Something to distract us from how Tony is screwing us six ways from sunday?
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson ...the what of our what
we have a terror level?
 
@Bob Apparently
Which is what makes me think it's just a political stunt
Becuase I've never heard of it before today
 
@MichelZ My girlfriend waking me up in the middle of the night for sex isn't exactly a problem...
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@MarkHenderson The Comms room has a terror level?
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson ...pretty much
Abbott is a political stunt
 
6:02 AM
@Bob A bad one
 
Bob
> He has stressed that people should continue to go about their normal lives and that there is no intelligence on a specific plot.
 
@MichelZ The terror level in here is always at critical
 
Bob
...sure. so, what was the point of this fuckery again?
 
@Bob Hey look over here! Look! Don't pay any attention to how all of my cabinet members are being charged with corruption offences!
DING DING DING LOOK OVER HERE SHEEPLES
Scary! Terrorism! Big words! Boom bang explosion!
 
Bob
step 1: give people an external target for fear
step 2: ???
step 3: profit!
hey, it worked for the US gov
 
6:04 AM
@Bob THat it did
Although they've actually had terrorist attacks. Even had domestic terrorists.
When was the last time we had a domestic bombing? Like the 80s?
 
so the unabomber came up in one of my law textbooks
 
Bob
there was that shooting incident in the 90s? not so much terrorism as some guy going crazy
 
According to Wikipedia our last terrorist attack was 1986
@Bob Strathfield and Port Arthur. But they weren't terrorists
 
he apparently had a meritless complaint against his public defender for presenting a mental illness case over his objections
which is now a foundation for client control of representation in indigent criminal cases in the US
 
> On 23 November 1986, a car bomb exploded in a carpark beneath the Turkish Consulate in South Yarra, Victoria, killing the bomber who failed to correctly set up the explosive device
Thats the level of terrorism we get here
@FalconMomot If he was crazy as argued then he wouldn't be in a right mind to make a decision about his defence?
 
6:07 AM
Thats the right kind of terrorism, when they perps do everyone a favour and only perform retroactive birth control on themselves.
 
@MarkHenderson nah, nobody ever declared him incompetent
 
and not hurt anyone else
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson still, major overreactions (wasn't it used as justification for the Iraq war?) is pretty much exactly what they're looking for
 
@Bob Yeah even we knew over here that George Doubya wanted to be a war-time president
So he gave himself two wars
 
just that his 6th amendment (right to representation and a trial) rights weren't violated when he was forbidden from firing his public defender and going pro se in order to prevent a mental illness mitigation defense from going forward at the last minute after he had previously consented
... I didn't appreciate how complex that was until just now
 
6:09 AM
@FalconMomot I got a headache just reading it
 
@MarkHenderson: and Obama didn't, and he's in more wars than bush was ;p
 
:(
 
@JourneymanGeek SOmeone was saying the other day that Suddam may not have been a particularly great leader (you know, ethic cleansing and all) but at least he kept the radicals in line
 
Bob
> "What we do have to be concerned about is the shopping centres, the public transport, or even as we saw in the UK, a stabbing,"
 
6:10 AM
@FalconMomot BrainCapacityOverflowException
 
@FalconMomot sigstop: I'm sure it will work. Me: I'm concerned by your blind optimism.
 
@MarkHenderson: Its not PC, but I kinda think half those countries do better with the right sort of authritatian governments.
 
Bob
??? are they going to xray all bags going into a shopping centre now? inspect cars?
 
@JourneymanGeek Most of them have been at it for much much much longer than the western world has
 
@Bob: ban pointy knives?
@MarkHenderson: pretty much
 
6:11 AM
@MichelZ maybe I should be a lawyer; it seems perfectly simple and straightforward to me.
 
@FalconMomot You'll probably deal with fewer idiots
 
@Jacob oh, come on, have a little optimism! don't jinx yourself.
 
@FalconMomot You need to be in seattle. You could be at social hour with ours.
 
@MarkHenderson the egos might not be bigger in law than in hacking either.
 
Bob
This crap is why I haven't looked at the news much in the last year.
Since Abbott got elected, really.
 
6:12 AM
@Jacob at what?
 
@FalconMomot You needed the context.
 
@Jacob I was flying today; I will be flying tomorrow.
 
@FalconMomot nothing jinxes faster than optimism
 
@FalconMomot What time do you return?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Eh, what could possibly go wrong?
 
6:13 AM
@FalconMomot the soccer game.
 
@Jacob 2000h, 24 Sept 2014
@Jacob oh, yeah, I wanted to go, but I found out about it much too late
I booked this trip during my last trip
 
@FalconMomot where are you flying tomorrow ?
 
I can't wait until I can have my own airplane and just go
@Jacob from springbank to sundre, back to springbank.
 
...
@Bob: NOOOOOOOO
 
@FalconMomot Oh.
 
6:14 AM
Sep 3 at 5:50, by Journeyman Geek
Finally got that fedora box up. Mental note, NEVER EVER SAY THIS SHOULD BE SIMPLE.
 
@JourneymanGeek This should be simple.
 
ugh, you reminded me... I have to go get my aviation charts from my car
 
@MichaelHampton: noooooooooooo
 
actually, no. I'll just go to the club early and plan it tomorrow.
it's so much easier with the winds aloft in hand
 
(actually, I'm nearly out of annoyances, unless I want to set up another samba share)
 
6:16 AM
and the temperature so I can find the density altitude and landing distances
and takeoff distances
 
@MarkHenderson I still can't decide! I only have 45 minutes!
 
when I have an airplane, it will be more like "hmm, I want to go to seattle today" and as long as there is no thunderstorm I'm there about 8 hours after deciding.
 
@FalconMomot Long flight.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ...heh. pretty sure I said that before fiddling with the bot import/export
 
nope!
 
Bob
6:17 AM
oh, half an hour should be enough
4 hours later...
 
almost all of that is on the ground, planning, and waiting for the waiting time for an international flight plan.
 
@Jacob You don't need to pre-order the second they go on sale
 
@JourneymanGeek Well, it would be easier if you weren't trying to install it on something you found in a dumpster...
 
I won't be pre-ordering. I will wait until I've held them both in my hands
 
6:18 AM
@MichaelHampton: oh, not this time.
 
But not to choose between the 6 and 6 plus - to choose between the 6 or keeping my 4
 
@MarkHenderson Nah, I need the 6. I can only use phones one handed.
 
@Jacob Well then why are you sweating over it?
 
Bob
@Jacob Ah, you're busy with the other hand?
 
You need the 6 because you can only single handedly use phones?
 
6:19 AM
Problem I was having was a combination of unfamiliarity with SElinux settings for samba (and the need to set a security context) and trying to do it the gui way
 
@MarkHenderson 6 vs 6+
 
And in that case, don't get the 6 plus because if it's the same size as a note, and I have a note on the desk right next to me, unless you have gigantic hands, you won't be able to use it single handedlty
 
thought the 6+ was smaller until I heard the note comparison.
 
Every time I pick up this note, I hold it by the base and use two hands on it
lol that makes the Galaxy Note sound like a handjob
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson Curious: what's your current mobile carrier/plan?
 
6:21 AM
@Bob Optus, $50/month, and I've been out of contract for 2 years now
I just cheked my bills earlier in the week and I use an average of 700MB a month of internet, and only around 3 hours of calls
Although if I had 4G I suspect my data use would be higher
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson If you're considering getting it, Virgin might be an option. They're running a 2 GB bonus promo now: community.virginmobile.com.au/t5/tkb/articleprintpage/tkb-id/…
 
@Bob I'm getting work to take over my contract. I'll transfer my number to them and then I dont have to worry about it any more
 
Bob
(need to port in from a non-Optus network, but it's easy enough to port out to a cheap prepaid and back in, if you don't mind a day or two)
 
loves his 12gb 3g plan. The new ones are 2gb only
 
6:24 AM
I might move my wife though
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson There's that too :P
I'm considering getting Optus-network 4G. Hopefully better coverage in Sydney metro?
 
I still have unlimited data and I'm never gonna give that up
 
@MarkHenderson I paid a huge ETF to get this phone I want it ASAP...
 
Bob
For some reason, between Central and North Sydney is one giant data blackspot despite good reception
 
@Bob I wonder if I take that offer to an Optus store if they'll match it
@Jacob etf?
@Bob Yeah I used to take the train along there. Over the bridge everything would drop out
 
6:25 AM
@MarkHenderson early termination fee
 
@Jacob Ah. Here all the carriers are offering to pay out termination fees for switching to them
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson Not just the bridge; the entire tunnel too.
Wynyard is the worst.
 
@MarkHenderson I didn't want to switch carriers
 
@Jacob Sounds like you enjoy throwing money away then
 
Bob
They've got something in there to get a strong signal in the tunnel, but it's like they provisioned a 56k line for data...
 
6:27 AM
@Bob yeah I remember when they put the things in the tunnel to make it work
I guess they didn't bother to put a decent backhaul into it
 
@MarkHenderson Naw, I only could have switched to T-mobile which has bad coverage everywhere except downtown.
 
They made a big deal on the station advertising
@Jacob Yeah but why would you pay a large termination fee just to get a new toy?
Unless you had money to burn
 
@MarkHenderson because I'm a model consumer?
naw
because it was actually a interest free loan
 
@Jacob My brother in law does things like that and that's why he's $20,000 in credit card debt at the age of 21
Actually he might be like 25 by now. I forget.
 
6:29 AM
0_0
 
I would have paid that amount anyway
 
Oh, you guys can't just buy a phone retail, can you?
 
@JourneymanGeek Not easily
 
@Jacob Yeah that's what all our phone providers here do
 
6:30 AM
Yeah, that's a big difference. Phone companies here are not allowed to lock down phones
 
You pay like $30 for the plan and then an extra $15/month for the phone with no downpayments
 
@MarkHenderson So it's not really an ETF, but I would have paid for it eventually.
 
You pay more for the phone over the length of the contract (quite a bit more) but you don't have to fork out upfront
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson depends on the contract
 
@MarkHenderson Sprint has a new plan that you use to lease the phone like car.
 
6:31 AM
@Bob Well if you could get an iPhone for 15/month then you're doing well
 
Bob
often, the phone extra per month is less, but the base monthly is higher than the equivalent from other carriers
 
Cos that comes to like $360 for a $1,000 phone
@Bob Yeah. I tend to just look at the entire monthly rather than the breakdown
Hurts the brain less
Anyway time for me to head on home
Later all
 
Bob
I wouldn't know about iPhones. Never really looked at those plans.
 
@MarkHenderson 20$
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson yea, that's always struck me as rather high (hence all my phones being outright)
 
6:34 AM
morning
 
g'day!
 
What drives me nuts, though, is: 2 year contract, 1 year warranty.
 
lol
@MarkHenderson: though its a 2 year contract assuming an 18 month period between phone replacements ;p
 
6:52 AM
@MichaelHampton I like our consumer laws here.. any technical product sold to private persons here must have 3 years of warranty (that includes phones)
and getting a subscription without a phone contract is the most popular choice, as it's always cheaper if you have the cash to buy the phone.. and then you can just switch providers whenever you want
been reading a bit lately about US and the telecom/telephone monopoly, and you guys have a long way to go :)
 
UGH Sprint is in maintenance mode
-_-
 
hmph, now I want to go buy a cirrus sr-20
seats 5, takes 2 hours and a bit to get to seattle, has enough range to go the whole way without stopping for fuel, and wasn't built in the 70s.
just... used, costs a little more than my apartment.
 
7:14 AM
morning
 
@FalconMomot can you do IFR with those? or can you do that with any kind of plane as long as you're certified?
 
@pauska both you and the plane need certification, at least when they're registered in Canada.
that plane can be fitted with sufficient instruments for IFR flight
 
@FalconMomot going into cloud computing? badum-tish
 
@JennyD I will end you.
I mean, good morning.
there is nothing like looking at my bank accounts to clear up any thoughts I might have of buying a plane within the next 2 years :(
 
I got a new car yesterday
just to make you love me even more
 
7:25 AM
oooh. whatcha buy?
 
mine needs to go into the shop.
also insurance is overcharging me massively, for a car that I drive less than 25% of the year.
 
G'day
 
it's not even a racecar! it's a corolla.
 
@Magellan Prius Plugin. Company car.
 
and for that my insurance is $1700 a year
 
7:29 AM
@JennyD ah. I've heard nice things about them from folks.
@FalconMomot You're under 30, unmarried, male, and not a US Citizen. Correct?
 
@Magellan It's my third Prius. I've been very happy with them, they have a good gas mileage for their size and are very comfortable to drive.
Only downside is you can't put a trailer hitch on them
 
@JennyD so you'd think. friend of mine saw one trying to tow a 20' boat with one this past weekend. pottering along at 35kph trying to go over the small mountain range between the city and the coast.
 
@Magellan Correction: You can put a hitch on it. but it voids warranty and it doesn't have the strength to pull anything
 
@Magellan the car and its insurance are in alberta, where those types of things are shady to discriminate on, and usually discriminating on them is illegal.
 
If all goes as planned with the horse I'll be getting a second car with a hitch so I can pull a horse trailer and go off to events with him next year
 
7:34 AM
@FalconMomot wat? that's called actuarial tables here in the US. And $1700 a year for an unmarried male driving a newish car is not bad at all.
 
there was something where young men were all getting insured by the facility association because nobody would insure them for reasonable rates.
 
@JennyD nice. pondering retirement properties on the dry side of the mountains with enough acreage for a horse or two. Both my wife and oldest daughter love horseback riding.
@FalconMomot yeah. high risk pool.
 
@Magellan You really should have two horses if possible, most of them don't do well without company... I keep mine at a boarding stable where he has good pasturage in the summer, a decent-sized winter pasture + good stable and a flock where he is happy and can play with friends.
 
@JennyD yeah. and a goat.
 
@Magellan horse + goat might work, they're both herd animals.
 
7:39 AM
@JennyD wife did that with her horse. better than the year he wintered with a herd of bison, apparently.
 
@Magellan yeah, they don't do well with cows either.
 
@FalconMomot btw, if you're still looking for people, lemme know.
 
@Magellan auto insurance here is... complicated. there is a "grid" having legal force, which specifies a rate ceiling based on the number of years with a license and the number of convictions and claims and stuff. And the facility association is the insurer of last resort, and it is not legally allowed to deny insurance, since insurance is legally required.
 
where i spent my summers growing up there was a big field with a herd of cows and about 5-7 horses. The horses and cows were never close to one another, they pretty much timeshared the best places
 
@Magellan we always have our ears to the ground. weren't you going to send me a resume?
anyway the facility association is complicated, and the general goal of insurers is to depopulate it insofar as possible, because (as far as I could ever tell) that is a public policy directive
 
7:41 AM
@FalconMomot yeah. got on ready finally. got an email i can pop it over to?
 
falcon.momot@leviathansecurity.com is always a good place.
you know, I could actually bring it down to $700 or so by removing the collision.
parked cars have a great proclivity to not run into anything.
 
@FalconMomot cool.
 
@FalconMomot That doesn't necessarily mean that other things won't run into a parked car!
 
@MichaelHampton yeah totally not my problem if that happens
a parked car, for most claims and liability intents, is merely a pile of valuable material belonging to someone else sitting at some location.
 
@FalconMomot I see you're looking for somebody with a mixed Win/Linux background. Definitely not me.
 
7:48 AM
@Magellan for what, and what is your background?
 
morning
 
@FalconMomot Linux Admin & system engineering.
Fair bit of DevOps lately.
 
I've been in work for 21 minutes and I already want to go home.
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@tombull89 happy monday, eh :)
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@Magellan I think I'm only looking for security auditors right now but there is always the possibility we may start needing an operator for our product.
 
7:56 AM
@FalconMomot cool. lemme know when that comes around. Sounds like a fun place to work.
 
8:08 AM
@FalconMomot ugh. Auditors.
Why are you looking for beelzebub's spawn?
 
@DennisKaarsemaker well someone has to point out the bugs
 
@FalconMomot isn't that what users are for? :)
 
this isn't the "you are violating section 3.141592654.2 of GERQQTSD^2"
it's "hey I was able to get a root shell here's how"
or "we really think you should make this configuration change since we found a vuln you're vulnerable to and it's published in this paper"
 
oh, that sounds like actually useful auditors
those are rare
 
we are pretty rare yes
the company has 28 people including executives, project managers, administrative staff, and strategic consultants
most such companies are designed like that and I can think of only 3 others.
 
8:16 AM
@FalconMomot I was wrong.
 
did someone just quit?
 
dammit, Sprint's site is FUBAR.
@FalconMomot Sorry I think it is 28
 
'tis.
 
soon to be 29 (possibly hopefully)
 
did we finally get a live one?
 
8:17 AM
@FalconMomot possibly.
 
lol
wonderful!
after monday evening was a perfect time for that person to apply.
 
@FalconMomot Need to hear the story, not quite like that.
 
unrelatedly, the DOL sucks.
oh, we filed some more of my papers recently
I sure hope they come back alright.
 
@FalconMomot the adventures of becoming a perm resident?
@FalconMomot I haven't even read the ones you sent me
 
we've filed for the certification that we've hired all the americans we can
 
8:20 AM
oh
 
@Jacob oh, not those papers
 
lol
 
those papers will be a bit.
 
yeah
 
the office that handles them is even worse than the DOL or USCIS, if that is imaginable.
 
8:20 AM
I just want to give sprint my money
 
@Jacob you're mad
 
@FalconMomot I want this phone
 
you should give them your excess floor sweepings and fish guts
maybe send them a dead gopher
box of cockroaches perhaps
 
@FalconMomot It's too late for that, I paid off my S5
 
certainly not money.
 
8:22 AM
@FalconMomot I'm up at 1:20AM trying to refresh as fast as possible. I got iPhone fever :P
 
@Jacob are you trying to buy an iphone? that is very unwise.
 
I might just try this later this morning?
@FalconMomot because?
 
shrug
 
@FalconMomot don't shrug, tell me why.
 
it's more fun to post pictures of gross or mildly offensive things.
 
8:24 AM
ಠ_ಠ
 
@FalconMomot I have a response to that that I can't send over public channels.
 
then don't?
there's a lot of 0day out there; no need to burn it over that.
anyway if you wanted to raise an argument perhaps talking about the TXT talk that was given at recon would be a good point
 
@FalconMomot naw, just an observation.
 
which incidentally is why a nexus from the google play store is a pretty good bargain all things considered.
especially since you don't have to use a security vulnerability to get reasonable access to your own device
unless you really need to have cyanogen, at which point I think you still must
 
8:29 AM
@FalconMomot looks like I'm not ordering it right now anyway, and I most likely won't bother if I have to wait months anyway.
 
I can't imagine why it might be worth the wait.
 
@FalconMomot exactly, and seeing as I'd be giving a carrier a free loan, all the less worth it
 
@Jacob buying phones outright has a certain zen to it
 
@FalconMomot That's really creepy
 
@FalconMomot if you want cyanogen, get a oneplus
 
8:30 AM
@DennisKaarsemaker yup! if you can.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker invite-only at the moment, aren't they?
 
@tombull89 they are
 
What is it, Spider Friday?
 
oh, it's friday
lovely
 
that is not an ugly spider.
 
so close
to getting pictures
off the screen
 
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Aug 12 at 20:31, by cole
right click > inspect element > delete
I'll thank @cole for that one.
 
8:34 AM
later gents. sleepy time
 
night!
 
@FalconMomot Oh check out {bosses} linkedin page
He's endorsed for ಠ_ಠ
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I'm graduating soon ^^
 
@JourneymanGeek woo!
 
managed to get a credit on the last module (Its a management one, and I failed it last term)
 
@Jacob yup
 
forget this...
I'm going to bed
If I can't preorder this damn phone
 
@faker that may be, but we're talking about an order of magnitude, on recent data alone.
the comparison is generally a poor one yes, and it's better to go in depth yes, but for a quick first-blush analysis without any reason to believe there is a confound, it's not a bad way of going about it.
@JourneymanGeek yay!!
 
I did a LOT better since I basically just copied most of my points in the exam from online sources ;p
 
-_-
 
8:41 AM
actually, this is the highest score I got in any management module.
 
I do not like polar coordinates in electrical equations!
I do not like them to one degree!
 
I'm going to bed
Hopefully there will be iPhones left in the morning.
 
Physics can take this capacitor and shove it you know where, at a 90 degree difference behind voltage!
 
@FalconMomot Inform me at your convenience where to pick you up from. (SoDo, or Airport)
 
@Jacob Come by sodo in a couple weeks and I'll be there.
 
8:45 AM
@FalconMomot k
 
@FalconMomot: why are you doing electrical equations?
 
@JourneymanGeek I plan to write a ham license soon
perhaps canadian advanced and american extra, and at least american general
 
Dan
9:18 AM
Why do I even bother phoning a company to clarify something
 
Bob
@Dan Because you're a masochist.
 
Dan
@Bob This guy's a prick
And he's pissing me off
 
9:57 AM
Anyone fluent in Cisco Nexus/
 

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