The Town Hall

Matt Giltaji

10:01 PM

@Braiam rorschach, obviously

Doorknob

@Undo Blame timezones. :( /cc @Jamal @AnnonomusPenguin

At least I got a nice userid: 111

Jamal

Binary! :O

AirThomas

Can I get some specific feedback on why this is too broad? moderators.stackexchange.com/q/162/46

Doorknob

@AirThomas It's asking for a big list

Matt Giltaji

@AirThomas pros and cons lists don't do well

Gilles

10:07 PM

@AirThomas it's too dependent on the objectives of your community

AirThomas

Okay, and in the context of many other sites, I totally see that.

But I'm having trouble reconciling that with the lack of close-votes on several of the top questions asked so far.

Eh, I don't mean to grouse. I guess we're just not on the same page.

Braiam

I'm essentially rep-capped

ChrisF

@AirThomas The site is still finding it's feet. Vote to close where you think it's warranted. If others agree we'll start to see questions being closed.

bjb568

Y I NO HAZ MAILZ? I can't even see anything. Well, I guess that's what "private" means...

ChrisF

If you're not sure, start a meta question. Actually even if you are sure start a meta question so that you can explain your reasoning.

AirThomas

10:14 PM

@ChrisF I haven't had much luck in the past VTC-ing top rated questions on a beta site. The community likes what it likes. But if it were a big deal, I certainly would bring it up for discussion.

bjb568

@AirThomas That's why we need people with (diamond!) hammers to bang the community on it's head.

Or "unicorn yodeling", whatever they call it.

ChrisF

@AirThomas Don't be afraid to vote to close popular questions. Popularity should not be used as metric for deciding what's on or off topic. Some of the most popular question on SO (for example) are off topic.

Gilles

@AirThomas I give about ⅓ of the questions from the private beta as a loss. Now everybody will want to keep them because look we want content and it's more important to have quantity and we'll care about quality later.

bjb568

@ChrisF Yeah, but that's mostly because they're old.

AirThomas

@bjb568 Holy moly, can't wait to see the moderator elections on this site

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Matt Giltaji

10:17 PM

@bjb568 to be honest, I'm not sure how I got into the "private" beta without committing on Area51

ChrisF

@bjb568 True, but even so we still get "why did you close X?" questions.

Gilles

Six months down the line everybody will worry about all the accumulated crap and want to clean up shop, but the highly-upvoted questions from the private beta will be sacrosanct because look, man, they're upvoted, it means they're good, and OMG reps

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ChrisF

@MattGiltaji You can just request access now. It's not as strictly private as it used to be.

AirThomas

@Gilles You are preaching to the choir. But are any beta sites immune from this? I definitely see it on data science.

Matt Giltaji

@ChrisF cool, no banhammer coming down on me then

bjb568

10:19 PM

Aw, damnit. Since my account got merged with some other idiot's (my friend) (the SE team is very helpful in sorting this out - they haven't responded to my email yet), because the login system is borked, and probably more borked on a51, I may never get the mail.

Gilles

@AirThomas Software Recommendations, to some extent... But that's because we started the site with the assumption that we'd be inundated in crap and there was a tough-on-crap lobby from day 1

bjb568

@ChrisF How?

Gilles

On this site, clearly a lot of participants are starting with the assumption that they know everything about SE and their stuff can't but be good. Yet the result so far is average at best.

Still, I have half a mind to request closing the site and doing a new private beta from scratch where SE mods would be banned

Harry Ludlow

I thought this wasn't for SE though

justcool393

@Gilles This site isn't about StackExchange though.

Gilles

10:21 PM

@HarryLudlow it's not supposed to be, but look at the questions

bjb568

It is what people think it is.

I don't..

Harry Ludlow

@Gilles I know, but people should learn with time really

user61230

Gilles' point, I think, being that because we're all Stack Exchange moderators, the questions and answers we'd give are solely from the perspective of Stack Exchange

Matt Giltaji

I don't think its wise to outright ban SE mods

user61230

I'm on the fence about whether I agree with this; I think the culture could develop either way

Matt Giltaji

10:22 PM

do it case by case

bjb568

Meh, it'll widen as time goes on.

ChrisF

@bjb568 When Area 51 started you had to have committed to get into a private beta, then they opened it up to anyone who got a link from an existing member. Now you just have to request access - to show that you're at least semi-serious.

rolfl

I should propose a counter-site users.se (as opposed to moderators.se), and users.se .... will, by definition, have no mods ... ;-)

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bjb568

@ChrisF Gimme a link!

Matt Giltaji

@ChrisF i just clicked the link, then did the standard "join this site" stuff with openID

ChrisF

10:23 PM

@bjb568 Just go to the site and log in.

user61230

@rolfl "For questions about using various websites."

Harry Ludlow

I don't understand why being an SE mod would affect your response that much though.

Robert Harvey

modraters.stackexchange.com. Oh, wait.

bjb568

@ChrisF "To log in, you must have commited to the Area 51 site proposal and received the invitation email. Click the invitation link in the email to log in!" No google openid button or form or anything.

justcool393

I think you can still click 'sign up' though.

Robert Harvey

10:25 PM

[changes gravatar to obligatory monkey wearing suit and holding pistol]

ChrisF

@bjb568 Oh. I thought you could still sign up.

Matt Giltaji

@bjb568 i am walking proof that thats not true, just click log in

Gilles

@HarryLudlow mostly it's affecting the questions

@ChrisF you have to reach this page from the right place

ChrisF

@Gilles Ah.

Matt Giltaji

@Gilles try going through area51

bjb568

10:26 PM

@MattGiltaji Every page, whether it exists or not redirects to login, except signup which displays the same useless page. Wait, no, the stupid thing serves different content depending on refferer.

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