English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:01 PM

@Cerberus I presume you do know, though, that βαίνω (but not ἐβα) is the same root as ‘come’?

Cerberus

I think I once did. From the labiovelar.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Yup

Cerberus

It's one of those things I think I know, but I'm not sure I could have come up with that had you asked.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

*gʷem- (which must somehow be related to the root in the Greek aorist, *gweh₂-, though nobody really knows why that root seems to have so many funny extensions).

Cerberus

I did a course on historical linguistics of Greek, and one on Proto-Indo-European. But that's it, basically.

So what root is is *gʷem-, and what root is *gweh₂-?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:06 PM

*gʷem-i̯o- is what you get in βαίνω; *(e)-gʷeh₂- is what you get in the aorist (ἐ)βᾱ, etc.

Cerberus

Ah.

But -n- (so -m-?) is a present affix in βαίνω.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

If it had been the same root, the aorist would have been ἔβεν in the singular and ἐβνεν or ἔβενα in the plural.

Cerberus

Why?

Because there is no potential for -a- in the e in *gʷe-?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

No no, it’s not. It’s part of the root. The present suffix is *-i̯e/o-, but *-mi̯- becomes *-ni̯-, which then regularly metathesises.

Cerberus

Are you sure? I always assumed it was two separate present affixes, -i- and -n-.

As in tunchanô, kerannumi, etc.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:09 PM

You’d have *e-gʷem-t in the singular, and *e-gʷm-ent (= ἔβνεν) or *e-gʷem-n̥t > *eben-at > ἔβενα in the plural.

Yes, those are different suffixes—and they cannot co-occur, because they’re both present suffixes.

Cerberus

The -m- can't vocalise into -am- → -a-?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

The nasal one is actually an infix.

Cerberus

There are two nasal affixes in tunchanô...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Yes, m can vocalise to a, but only if it’s syllabic.

Cerberus

How do you know whether it's syllabic?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:12 PM

Yes, but that’s just Greek being silly—they’ve overdone that a bit, making it a regular pattern to have a nasal infix + ph/th/kh + nasal suffix.

Cerberus

Right. So I assumed one of those was the same as the -n- in bainô.

But you're telling me it's not, that it is part of one of the root-stems of the verb..

Janus Bahs Jacquet

If it’s between consonants, it’s syllabic; otherwise, it’s consonantal.

In this verb, yes, the n is part of the root.

Greek has very few traces of the original nasal present (which was an infix) left.

Cerberus

Like lanthanô?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

There’s πίνω, which is quite strange to begin with (and might be entirely secondary), but apart from that, I can’t think of any ones that have a straight-up old nasal present that isn’t the ‘Greek type’ with the added ph/th/kh + extra n.

Cerberus

That is, the -n- in lanthanô is a nasal present infix...

Yes, pinô is strange, what with the aorist.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:18 PM

The older type is like in Skt. where the root yug- ‘yoke’ has 3sg pres yunákti, 3pl pres yunjánti (k = j = g, depending on following sound).

Cerberus

I figured they must be, assimilation.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Πίνω is also strange in that it’s reduplicated in pretty much every other language. In Greek it’s not—and yet it has the typical reduplication vowel -i-

Most odd.

It ought to be πίβω

Cerberus

Reduplicated in which form(s)?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Like Lat. bibō or Skt. píbati.

The present, mainly, but often all the way through the entire paradigm.

As in Latin.

Cerberus

OK.

Yes, but Latin reduplication is so mangled, it shows so little about the history of the language...

KitFox

6:21 PM

!!help listcommands

Jarvis the Bot

@KitFox listcommands: Lists commands. /listcommands [page=0]

KitFox

!!help wordwar

Jarvis the Bot

@KitFox wordwar: No info is available

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus True; but even the Skt. cognate is reduplicated in most of the paradigm except, I think, the aorist (which Latin has mostly lost anyway).

Alraxite

hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:23 PM

@Alraxite Ah, good. I always get a teensy bit nervous when I click on a link to that site.

Cerberus

OK.

Clicking it might just give it the final push it needed.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Better not, then.

KitFox

Oh whoops.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

It’s kind of like the opposite of watching Titanic for the umpteenth time, hoping maybe this time it won’t sink.

Cerberus

Or hoping that, this time, it will go faster, so we won't have to look at Di Caprio's face for so long.

(It's one of the few films I have seen, so bear with me.)

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:28 PM

I had the most gigantic crush of Leo in the late nineties, so that particular thought never occurred to me.

Rose, on the other hand, I could easily have done without.

Cerberus

Jesus.

He looks like he's, what, 14 years old?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Not anymore he doesn’t. And remember, when Titanic came out, I was 14 years old.

(OMG, I’ve just realised: Leonardio DiCaprio will turn 40 this November. The world has officially grown old.)

Cerberus

So was I.

Aren't we the same age?

40, really? An old man.

KitFox

Thirty is not old.

Cerberus

We feel old.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:34 PM

30 isn’t old. 30 is so last year.

Cerberus

But we don't care.

KitFox

It's my birthday next week. I am not old.

Cerberus

Yes, it was.

Turning 40?

KitFox

Not yet.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I’ve been feeling old for the past three weeks, but that’s because I haven’t been able to walk or get in and out of bed without a buggerload of fuss. Stupid bandages. In a few more days when they come off, I’ll go back to feeling quite young and spriggy!

Cerberus

6:35 PM

Yay!

Date a 24yo!

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Nah, too old.

:-þ

KitFox

Bandages?

Did you have a fall?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Yeah, I’ve had my knees and hands bandaged for about three weeks now. Took a tumble while rollerskating and had a bit of an intimate chat with some asphalt.

Nothing broken, but lots of skin torn off.

tchrist

Matt Эллен

It must be a sine

skullpatrol

6:41 PM

or cos

KitFox

I gotta get off this ride before I hurl.

@JanusBahsJacquet Yowch.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

When the sun keeps going up and down in the sky without dipping below the horizon, that’s a good sign of coziness.

(badump-tch)

skullpatrol

:D

tchrist

@MattЭллен But if you do it for a year you get an analemma. Well, not in polar zones.

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet OK I didn't know you swung that way...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:44 PM

!!wiki Analemma

Jarvis the Bot

Analemma

In astronomy, an analemma (; from Greek ἀνάλημμα "pedestal of a sundial") is a curve representing the changing angular offset of a celestial body (usually the Sun) from its mean position on the celestial sphere as viewed from another celestial body (usually the Earth). The term is used when the observed body appears, as seen from the viewing body, to move in a way that is repeated at regular intervals, such as once a year or once a day. The analemma is then a closed curve, which does not change. Because of the Earth's annual revolution around the Sun in an orbit that is elliptical and t...

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus I was just kidding. I swing any which way. :-)

Cerberus

I know, I know.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet They make special trousers for that.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

> a curve representing the changing angular offset of a celestial body from its mean position on the celestial sphere as viewed from another celestial body

* brain explodes *

@tchrist Do they have them at H&M?

Cerberus

6:46 PM

@tchrist Umm what?

tchrist

> Does Sir dress on the left or on the right?

KitFox

Right.

Left is just weird.

Cerberus

> Explain the etymology of analemma and give a cognate from a different Indo-European branch.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

“Would Sir like to wear a cravat on the cross-country run?”

Cerberus

(I only know the etymology up to its Greek origin.)

KitFox

6:48 PM

@Cerberus Well, when an analogue and a dilemma really love each other...

Cerberus

@tchrist Ew.

@KitFox Close.

@JanusBahsJacquet By the way, there you have another present nasal infix. But which one is it?

tchrist

@Cerberus Will Sir be wishing trousers with a backflap as well?

Cerberus

Will Sir be shutting his mouth and take heed of his mother's lessons in civilité?

tchrist

@Cerberus s/tak\Ke/ing/

KitFox

Parallelism!

Cerberus

6:52 PM

I wanted it to be in parallel with be.

KitFox

Then it should be "be taking heed"

Cerberus

It was meant to be an angry anacoluthon.

tchrist

@Cerberus Analemma decomposes into two morphemes, of which the second is a common woman’s name in English.

Cerberus

Not really!

tchrist

@Cerberus Is that the singular of anaconda?

Cerberus

6:53 PM

Now you sound like Robusto.

No, it's the dual.

tchrist

Pistols at dawn.

Cerberus

(Note that some dual forms actually have th.)

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus From ἀναλαμβάνω ‘support’, from *h₂(e)nh₂- ‘up (etc.)’ + Greek-style-double-nasal probably of *(s)legʷ- ‘grab, seize’; cognate with Eng. ‘latch’, Gk. λάζομαι, Lith. lobis ‘possessions’, and possibly (though not unproblematically) with Skt. lábhate ‘takes’.

Cerberus

Well done!

terdon

It really freaks me out when you guys talk about Greek. I keep seeing Greek words appearing on the side board. It's really distracting :)

Cerberus

6:55 PM

So you have to admit those cognates are pretty uncommon, so I can be excused.

tchrist

@terdon What’s ἀνάλημμα in English?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

‘Latch’ isn’t uncommon?! Nor is lábhate, it’s one of the most common verbs in Sanskrit. ;-)

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet It's not as common as come or tear.

tchrist

@Cerberus No vicious humours in this chat.

Let alone two of them.

Andrew Leach

@terdon It beats bowls of fruit on the side board.

Cerberus

6:57 PM

@JanusBahsJacquet As to *(s)legʷ-, whence did the -a- in lamb- come? It sounds like a vocalisation to me, but then why? A zero-grade? If so, then why mention the e-grade, as you did? Or did it vocalize between a vowel and a consonant?

tchrist

An analemma does remind me of a keyhole.

Cerberus

@terdon Buwahaha we're fucking with your mind until it breaks and you will do our bidding.

terdon

@tchrist That one's Ancient Greek. Ask the linguists.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus Roots are normally given in full grade (e-grade) when quoted. There are a lot of a’s in Greek that are not easily explained.

Cerberus

Oh, hmm.

terdon

6:58 PM

@Cerberus @JanusBahsJacquet What’s ἀνάλημμα in English?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

‘Analemma’.

YW. ;-)

Cerberus

Ding!

tchrist

But what do you do if lemons are out of season?

terdon

Burrum-ching!

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet So then lamb- is probably from the zero grade, or at least that would be Occam's explanation.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

6:59 PM

(Oooh, I just realised how y’all have been editing your last chat posts so quickly!)

Cerberus

You have discovered the up arrow?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Yup

Cerberus

So did you consult any references to come up with that answer? Would you be allowed to on an exam?

Oh, but I have to call my friend.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus Probably, yes.

Cerberus

So you did?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

7:05 PM

I did consult some references—I couldn’t remember the Lithuanian cognate.

Cerberus

You knew the exact Proto-Indo-European root already?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I meant λαμβάνω is probably from the zero-grade, yes.

Cerberus

Ah.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

*(s)legʷ-? Yes, certainly I did. It’s not an uncommon one.

Cerberus

OK.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

7:06 PM

Pops up quite often in Indo-Iranian

Cerberus

Right.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I always want it to be *(s)legʷʰ-, though (which fits Indic, but not the rest). And I can’t remember why the s-mobile is included.

@tchrist analemma

@Robusto Partylater!

7:08 PM

Not sure what that means, but . . .

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Robusto We don’t get those things in the sky ’round these parts.

Robusto

You don't live on planet Earth?

Alraxite

Strange. I got redirected to chat.stackexchange on entering.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Robusto Sure I do. Just not anywhere where we get big, fluorescent eights floating in the sky!

Cerberus

Why is it called s-mobile?

tchrist

7:09 PM

@JanusBahsJacquet I had tests where we would be given a Latin word and then regularly apply rules/laws to reach like a half-dozen modern Romance versions, but starting from PIE is a lot harder.

Cerberus

Does it move around?

Robusto

@JanusBahsJacquet That's a year's worth of exposures.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Robusto If a party-pooper is someone who poops the party (i.e., tires it out), a party-later must be someone who lates the party (i.e., kills it good and dead) …

Robusto

The analemma, like the infinity symbol, represents a sine wave that is looped back on itself. pause for discussion

tchrist

29 mins ago, by Matt Эллен

It must be a sine

Robusto

7:11 PM

@tchrist: Your photo?

tchrist

@Robusto No.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus Because it comes and goes. There are quite a few roots that seem not really to care whether they have an initial s tacked on to the beginning or not. Like the *(s)ḱer- ‘cut’ root. You’ve got *skeraną in Germanic (‘shear’ in English), but kṛ- in Skt. kṛnóti, etc.

Robusto

When I first learned about the analemma I was entranced. Here was math in the sky, flaunting itself for our edification.

tchrist

@Robusto Galileo and Newton also saw math in the sky. So did the builders of Stonehenge.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Robusto So a picture in the exact same spot and time every day for a year?

tchrist

7:13 PM

There is math, too, in the sea, but it is less apparent.

Robusto

@JanusBahsJacquet Not necessarily every day. Some days are cloudy, etc.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Robusto We clearly have different definitions of ‘flaunt’ …

True—every clear day, at least. So one round is one month?

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet OK fair enough.

Robusto

If you tried this in the Boston area you might get 60 clear snaps per year. OK, closer to 100. Still . . .

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus But with *(s)legʷ-, I can’t think of any words that actually have the s. I suppose perhaps, if λαμβάνω is to be from the zero-grade, that requires the s to be there, since initial *l̥ should give *al-.

Cerberus

7:15 PM

Hmm is that so?

Different Greek dialects often vocalize in different directions (and with different vowels).

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet You expose at solar noon each day, when the sun transits the meridian (see meridiem) at its daily zenith.

@Robusto I have > 300.

Although clear, I dunno.

Just sunny.

Doesn’t mean there’ll be no hailstorm anon.

Robusto

All the more puzzling why you spend so much time indoors.

tchrist

FMH

Getting chronic vitamin D deficiency, and obesity, instead of cancer.

Was supposed to summit to 12 kf today. Major mail snafu.

Robusto

You can summit by mail now?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Football Manager Handheld?

tchrist

7:19 PM

@JanusBahsJacquet FMH&H

Matt Эллен

Fridays Might Happen and Hurt

Andrew Leach

For my health? Not sure about &H though.

Cerberus

Abbreviations, the bane of good style.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Only thing I know FMH as is fuck me hard, but I somehow don’t think that was the intended meaning.

Andrew Leach

@MattЭллен I think you'll find both occur.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

7:21 PM

(Yes, I spend too much time on Twitter.)

Matt Эллен

Abbrv. the b. of good s.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet You’ll’ve been wrong then.

KitFox

tgitmit

Robusto

@JanusBahsJacquet You must be in a hurry to give that phrase in its abbreviated form.

tchrist

As it was certainly the intended meaning.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

7:21 PM

“Foster Mother: Hairier & Hairier”?

tchrist

And it was in the comparative degree.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I see.

tchrist

It means “I’m so screwed”.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Oh, in that sense.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен thwack

KitFox

7:22 PM

FMG

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I’ve only seen it used in the literal, imperative sense.

So basically like FML, then.

tchrist

I don’t normally issue come-hither imperatives to gentlemen kilomiles away.

It takes them far too long to get here.

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach only if I go out and get drunk!

Andrew Leach

And...? I mean, well... anyway...

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Yes.

KitFox

7:25 PM

We should all go have a beer tomorrow, to celebrate.

Andrew Leach

Tomorrow? Oh.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

I’m celebrating that I’m now officially on holiday (which means I’ll have to go to work tomorrow).

Andrew Leach

Congratulations. And commiserations.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Thank you.²

Matt Эллен

bbl

Janus Bahs Jacquet

7:28 PM

And I’m annoyed that I’ll have to go buy a new computer tomorrow, probably. Bloody thieves. :-/

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Flaunt My Hair?

Cerberus

Where was it stolen?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Office, last Thursday.

Was in the coffee room just across the hall for about ten minutes; came back, and the laptop was no more.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 For Mother Hubbard

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist Okay.

tchrist

7:33 PM

@JanusBahsJacquet Where were you when this pilferage occurred?

Cerberus

Wow, that's terrible. Can anyone enter the building? Is it your private computer?

tchrist

@MattЭллен Kinda low hurdle on that one, eh now?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist In the coffee room. It’s one of the rooms on the other side of the hallway, barely 10 ft. from the door of my office. Sadly, the office I’m in has a glass door, so even if you close it, anyone can see if there’s no one in there.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet University office?

Seems weird if it was a regular workplace.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@Cerberus Yeah, the offices are housed in a university building, so during the day, anyone can just walk in. We presume it’s someone who knows this and deliberately went in, up to the office parts, and then just casually strolled down the hall, peeking into various offices. Come across an empty one with a MacBook Pro standing unguarded? Snatch!

@tchrist Not a university office as such; but housed in a university building.

But no, it could just as well have been a regular workplace, apart from the “anyone can walk in off the streets” bit.

Cerberus

7:38 PM

@JanusBahsJacquet My condolences. Perhaps you should buy a €300 laptop this time.

KitFox

@AndrewLeach If that doesn't work for you, we could go another time.

Cerberus

They can do anything an expensive laptop can, unless you needs lots of power for graphic stuff.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

No can do. Need it for some relatively heavy Photoshop/InDesign/Illustrator/Aperture work.

I have a small €400 laptop, too, but I can’t use it for what I need.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Andrew Leach

@KitFox Oh, tomorrow is fine. It's just that I seem to have anticpated things.

Cerberus

7:40 PM

Well, I'm sure you can at least find a cheaper laptop than a Mac that can do the same things. But good luck!

Janus Bahs Jacquet

But it has to be one I can enjoy working on, too. ;-)

KitFox

@AndrewLeach Oh! Well, I can join you in a few hours.

Andrew Leach

One of the good things about being ahead. I don't have to wait :-)

Cerberus

@JanusBahsJacquet Well, unless you are attached to the Apple brand, I'm sure you will enjoy any computer over, say, €600? One with an SSD with a capable CPU and overall good specs.

But anyway, your predicament, not mine.

KitFox

@YoichiOishi You can find the list of EL&U moderators here: english.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators

Andrew Leach

7:46 PM

Good very-very-early-morning, Oishi-san.

KitFox

Moderators serve for as long as they want, until they decide not to. So the moderators are not replaced, but the team is added to periodically when we need more help.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

It’s not the brand—it’s the OS. I enjoy working in OS X, whereas I loathe working in Windows. And Linux just isn’t an option for graphic work.

Cerberus

I guess everyone likes whatever he is used to.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Kit How did you know about teh users?

Cerberus

I guess if you have enough money, it doesn't matter.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

7:49 PM

Nah—I’ve always hated Windows, even when I was a Windows user. My average computer usage enjoyment levels rose about 400% when I switched. :-)

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet That’s quite precisely why I went the way I went.

KitFox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I was notified. Not sure why.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Also, I’m assuming my insurance will pay, so I won’t be out more than perhaps €400 or so for a new one.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox Hum.

KitFox

There might be a request permission button that auto-pings mods.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

7:50 PM

Oh dear.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Mine did — once I’d filed a police report.

Yoichi Oishi

Andrew. Yes. KitFox taught me this link. I posted the following question to J.R. I stood for Mod election without knowing much about who they are, what they do, and I'm studying the manual sent by EL&U. But I don't yet find how many fixed number of Mods is, how long term of service is in the file, and how many Mods are replaced every year. Would you tell me?

KitFox

I like Macs, except I can't ever find anything.

4 mins ago, by KitFox

Moderators serve for as long as they want, until they decide not to. So the moderators are not replaced, but the team is added to periodically when we need more help.

tchrist

@YoichiOishi There is no fixed number of mods, nor fixed term of office.

As to what moderators do, the truth is that they mostly handle flags.

Andrew Leach

If you have a "Load older messages" button at the top of the screen, you can see a bit of history here.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

7:52 PM

@tchrist Yeah, I received the physical police report yesterday (never knew filing a police report in an ostensibly civilised country would be so slow and backwards!).

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Check out these blowhards:

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Yoichi Oishi

@tchrist. No fixed number, no term of office! Really it's interesting.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet My insurance company simply took the police-report number and requested their own electronic copy. I was not expected to provide them with paper copy; I think there’s some concern of fraud otherwise.

skullpatrol

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 LOL

Andrew Leach

@YoichiOishi The community elects moderators to help keep the community in check. Ordinary members have a role in that; moderators have a slightly bigger hammer to ~~knock things into~~ keep things in shape.

tchrist

7:56 PM

@YoichiOishi Also, do please understand that the amount of work each moderator puts in is entirely at the discretion of that individual. These are volunteer positions, so people do what they can but not more. And life-situations change as people take on different responsibilities in the real world. So there is some fluctuation, but the growth of the site combined with other moderators not always having the time is what prompted the election.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist That’s what I would have expected here, too—but it turns out that even though you file the report online, the police still have to print out that, then manually enter the whole thing into their system and only then has the report actually been filed. That took about five days, so it was five days before I got a police report file number (when I got the physical copy).

tchrist

@YoichiOishi You do us honor by volunteering to help us in this, but we would not wish to see you overworking yourself to death out of some sense of duty. I would never presume to suggest what might be too much or too little: only you can judge that balance for yourself.

Yoichi Oishi

@tchrist. You know how many Mods there are today?

tchrist

@YoichiOishi Yes, I do.

KitFox

There are 8.

tchrist

8:01 PM

@JanusBahsJacquet That is very strange. I don’t understand that process. The police take down your report, then print it out, then re-enter it? Or did they take the first report in handwriting?

Matt Эллен

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 notice that it's the fellows with the beards who front it :D

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@MattЭллен And the best looking :D

Matt Эллен

:D

Robusto

@YoichiOishi Oishi-san! Nice to see you in chat!

The best-looking people are non-mods.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist No no, I reported it on their website. But instead of having it go straight into their database, giving me a file number straightaway and needing only a human on their part to check that everything was filled in correctly, the report I filled out online just went into a queue that was printed out the following morning and added to a pile of papers they then had to manually enter into the actual system. Very stupid.

KitFox

8:04 PM

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Did you see Rob request access?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox Yes!

Well, it pung me in the Hangman room.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet Are you sure you’re not closer to the Mediterranean Sea than to the North Sea? :(

KitFox

I have been drawing diagrams all day. I must off to tend my flock and let me brain un-frazzle.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Or the East China Sea, for that matter.

Yoichi Oishi

@tchirist. Thanks for your advice for 'take it easy.' When I told about this time election to my friends, they said standing for candidacy at the age of 81 for any organization or circle, even for the chairman of the resident council of collective apartment house is worth for registration in Guinnes Book, and they likened me Don Quixote, and laughed.

Cerberus

8:11 PM

Haha, great!

Welcome, oh noble moderator.

Stack Exchange

Limerick Machine: Beards

posted on June 26, 2014 by sgdi

The thing about people with beards We’re better respected, not feared Do not despair Our great facial hair Is awesome and not at all weird

Janus Bahs Jacquet

Insurance claim: filed. Now just waiting for the confirmation e-mail …

KitFox

!!help listcommands

Jarvis the Bot

@KitFox listcommands: Lists commands. /listcommands [page=0]

KitFox

!!help wordwar

Jarvis the Bot

8:18 PM

@KitFox wordwar: No info is available

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@KitFox Still botfixing?

KitFox

I was about to, but patiently waiting for a hangman game to end.

Yoichi Oishi

@tchirist. I saw the link, and found 8 names of Mods. When I asked by my friend how many Mods are there, I said Idon't know, but asume at least a dozen, or two dozens. I'm surprized to find a small number.

Robusto-san. Good morning. Nice to see you in chat which I started to join for the first time in my life since joining the Mod erection race.

tchrist

@YoichiOishi Well, that number has the potential of not conveying the full story. On (somewhat rare) occasion, a StackExchange employee will take some moderator action on ELU, but they are not counted as ELU moderators. They do have diamonds, though.

KitFox

8:34 PM

There are dozens if you count all the mods.

tchrist

A lot of the stuff done by moderators on other types of sites than StackExchange is stuff that gets handled by high-reputation users here on SE. Things like editing, opening, and sometimes even deleting postings. What’s left after that is the stuff that moderators do, which basically means handling flags, especially conflicting ones. For deeper fraud investigations, sometimes you need the assistance of an SE employee.

Robusto

@YoichiOishi ちょっと違いましたが、その言葉は"election"と言いますね。

tchrist

@KitFox Yes, but usually only community managers (people like Grace Note, Tim Post, Anna Lear, and Shog9) take genuine moderator actions, not developers.

KitFox

I meant across all sites.

tchrist

Oh.

Well, that’s different.

@YoichiOishi In chat, anyone who is a moderator on any SE site anywhere shows up in blue and has moderator powers in the chat room. There are indeed zillions of those people. We call them alien mods. :)

But alien mods do not have a diamond at ELU.

SE employees do.

@Kit Have you introduced Yoichi to the ELU moderator room and the Teacher’s Lounge yet?

Matt Эллен

8:42 PM

I won't onebox this incase I upset tchrist, but it made me chuckle. birds can be cruel

tchrist

Hm, apparently soccer has an underwear alarm. Who new?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@tchrist Ugh, not that again. Every year that becomes a ‘story’. Meh.

Andrew Leach

@tchrist That's FIFA. I don't think it's built into the Laws of the Game.

tchrist

It’s ugly.

Andrew Leach

Yes. But it's not "soccer". It's "sponsorship".

Jez

8:48 PM

apparently the South Americans weren't making much of a deal over the Tevez biting incident. What do they do, circle the wagons whenever one of their South American brothers commits a murder?

tchrist

radix malorum. . . .

Andrew Leach

Indeed. Amor lucris or something.

tchrist

Not for nothing is it called filthy lucre.

Andrew Leach

Do you mean my guess of "of money" was actually right?!

tchrist

What do you mean?

Janus Bahs Jacquet

8:51 PM

@tchrist Now, I’m no great football fan, either, but to call it the root of all evil might be just a tad OTT.

Andrew Leach

@tchrist I guessed that the genitive form of "money" was lucris.

tchrist

@JanusBahsJacquet No no no. It’s the full quote I was invoking.

@AndrewLeach No, lucrum is a 2nd declension neuter, so gen sg lucri like the normal -us ones there. Lucris is the dative or ablative plural.

You were probably thinking it was a 3rd declension noun like color, -is.

Andrew Leach

Right. I've got a Latin dictionary somewhere...

It feels like it ought to go with dux, ducis.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

@AndrewLeach Lucrs, lucris?

Andrew Leach

Lucer, lucris.

Janus Bahs Jacquet

8:56 PM

(I know, I know, it would have been lucer)

But instead, it goes with fulcrum/fulcrī

Andrew Leach

I think I did five school terms of Latin, thirty years ago.

tchrist

I think it’s because we turned lucrum into lucre that one might grab at the third declension.

KitFox

Where's @Matt?

Matt Эллен

hiyo!

tchrist

@AndrewLeach It really fades if you don’t use it. Mom read Arma virumque at the end of high school 55 years ago and now can’t even tell you almost anything about declensions past the first couple.

KitFox

8:59 PM

@MattЭллен Hi.

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