The Comms Room

8:00 PM

@ewwhite Of course it's possible to be in full licensing compliance with Microsoft, when your company's name is Microsoft.

Jacob

@cole reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1mb8w3/…

ewwhite

*You want to know what the latest gem I heard from a MS Licensing Specialist is?
So, say you have Office installed on a workstation in your office. You need to work on something from home, so you VPN in to your office from another device (say your personal laptop from home) and you RDP into your workstation and use Office. According to MS, you have to purchase ANOTHER Office license to cover your home PC. Even though it's not actually installed on your personal laptop and the copy is only installed in one place. They claim you don't have "roaming use" rights. Unless, of course, you buy Soft…

Jacob

@MDMarra ^^

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Awwww... I was eliminated from the SU primary election. :)

cole

I hate licensing.

Jacob

8:02 PM

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork OH noes. Vote @JourneymanGeek!

cole

I need a nap.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Jacob Yeah, I was gonna vote for EC, but he was removed from the running by their mods. Evil, evil site.

ewwhite

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Wesley

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork NOOOOOOO!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Wesley Even worse, I can't see my nomination anymore! How will I ever know how many downvotes I got!?!?

ewwhite

8:07 PM

amazon.com/AutoExec-Wheelmate-Steering-Attachable-Surface/dp/…

cole

@ewwhite adding to my wishlist

ewwhite

Is the AutoExec Wheelmate strong enough to hold up a microwave oven? I like to cook bacon for breakfast and this would save time on my commute.

voretaq7

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork 133 when I looked

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@voretaq7 I had moar than that when I last checked, but I want to know how many moar!

voretaq7

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork 133 according to superuser.com/election/3?tab=primary

BigHomie

8:11 PM

nah, it stopped at 133.

sbrichards

"Specifically designed with safety in mind" mmmhmmm using your phone while driving may be dangerous, but a laptop is safe

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BigHomie

@ewwhite kinda small for a laptop, I wonder if there's a larger one

sbrichards

just put some wheels on your desk

BigHomie

@sbrichards kinda hard to 'drive' with the steering wheel upside down though

Jacob

Can someone explain the vote tally?

sbrichards

8:13 PM

@BigHomie that too, her hands arent even on the wheel. She can use one hand on the keyboard and one on the wheel

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@voretaq7 Oh. :( Well, thanks. I'm disapointed, but will try again next time, and see if I can garner an more impressive number of downvotes.

sbrichards

The questions on it: "What's the average number of fatalties per user? Just an estimate is fine. " "For every user, there is least one death apporximately."

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voretaq7

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork you're not the Twitter community ad :P

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@voretaq7 Oh, nice. Where's that?

BigHomie

Another shameless plug

180

Embedded Systems

Proposed Q&A site for designers and programmers of embedded devices

Currently in commitment.

voretaq7

8:16 PM

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork search for community promo ads on Meta :P

Basil

God, it's friday afternoon and I can't stand anyone.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

This site? Nice. Think I'll have to go give that one a downvote myself.

@Basil I'm having trouble parsing that. Is this one of those queries that's supposed to always return true, regardless of the time or day of the week?

Basil

My dear colleague is writing automation in bash (because that's all he knows) and keeps swearing audibly and rhetorically. Every 2 minutes. I'm going to need to leave early at this rate

BigHomie

this is why we can't keep our gov't accountable

Anonymous

@voretaq7 got any experience with WinPE?

voretaq7

8:21 PM

Nope :)

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz Ask your question

voretaq7

@Basil Hand him the camel book

Anonymous

@voretaq7 long fucking live perl

MikeyB

@PatoSáinz DIE PERL DIE

Anonymous

@BigHomie I just hope WinPE isn't a mess to repair a botched windows 8.1 installation like the installation media repair function was

Basil

8:22 PM

He won't touch it. He's 3 years from retirement, and it's taken him 10 years to go from rex to sh

Anonymous

@MikeyB perl master language

MikeyB

@PatoSáinz Hitler would have succeeded if he hadn't used Perl.

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BigHomie

@PatoSáinz Depends on the botch man, it's just a windows boot disc

cole

@Basil just let him die then - that's how I'm dealing with the other Unix admin who only scripts in korn shell & the other 3 who don't at all

Jacob

@PatoSáinz Meh use that to switch to *nix.

MikeyB

8:23 PM

@cole a sysadmin who doesn't script at all isn't a sysadmin

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Anonymous

@Jacob I'd happily do so

Jacob

@cole I'm so sorry.

Basil

@cole It's not his code that bothers me, it's his constant swearing at conversational volumes

Anonymous

But I don't have the patience to teach my mother how to Mint

cole

@MikeyB he does, in KSH - the other guys are "windows admins"

Basil

8:23 PM

The same volume he'd use if he were trying to talk to me

tylerl

@Basil You can do a lot in bash. Not sh, but bash is pretty capable. It's slow as hell, though, when you get to interesting stuff.

cole

@Basil that's annoying.

Jacob

@PatoSáinz All she needs is the internet?

Anonymous

@cole take him to the rc shell

MikeyB

@cole Fixed.

BigHomie

8:24 PM

@PatoSáinz don't blame it on WinPE

cole

@Basil I have a coworker who swears and slams his phone down constantly.

tylerl

@Basil I wrote a base64 decoder in bash. It's approximately 12,000 times slower than perl.

cole

He's a douche, so there's that.

Anonymous

@Jacob and office (she refused to use Google Drive, and I'm not going to let her touch [Open|Libre]Office

Basil

@tylerl yes, I learned perl because of those limitations, but for simple "if this then that" kind of stuff, bash is fine

Anonymous

8:24 PM

@BigHomie blame it on me?

Jacob

@PatoSáinz How does Office work under Wine?

Basil

@cole What, like a smartphone? Or an office phone?

Jacob

I don't remember

cole

@Basil desk phone.

Basil

@cole fun.

Anonymous

8:25 PM

@Jacob lol nope

cole

@Basil yeah, he sits right behind me.

Basil

@Jacob Well until it gets into the computer's power supply

Jacob

@cole Duuude, you need me as your junior. :P

cole

I need to just quit my job.

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz whoever botched the install to begin with

Jacob

8:26 PM

@Basil Yeah that's a good point.

@cole Yeah, I'm not that good.

Anonymous

@BigHomie the OEM

Jacob

Alas, I doubt you'll have too much trouble in that endeavor.

tylerl

@Jacob EVERYTHING works better with Wine!

At least, it seems that way at the time

Anonymous

a quick google search for "samsung <model> update windows 8 to windows 8.1" will yield all my problems

Jacob

@tylerl The US government tells me that isn't true until I turn 21.

Basil

8:27 PM

@tylerl I started writing something that would audit our storage config to ensure that certain standards were being followed (in terms of nomenclature, number of paths per resource, etc), and after I got to the third nested loop with a process substituted grep, I realized it was time to upgrade

Anonymous

@BigHomie and she didn't let me wipe her computer clean from all that OEM bullshit or at least downgrade to 7

Jacob

annd I forgot what I was doing.

@PatoSáinz Meh 8 isn't that bad. Make sure she's on 8.1.

MikeyB

@Basil You know you can do coprocessing in ksh? :D (if needing to do coprocessing wasn't an indication you should think about changing tools…)

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@cole Me too. Once Dark Wallet goes live, I'm gonna fund my retirement by sending out baseless blackmail and extortion threats to everyone on the Forbes 400 and Fortune 500.

Jacob

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork What is that?

Basil

8:30 PM

@MikeyB I don't use ksh any more- made friends with a sysadmin and he installed bash on my server

cole

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork you're an interesting man.

Basil

and perl!

Anonymous

@Jacob of course, the update from 8 to 8.1 broke her shit

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Jacob Anonymous BTC wallet software/service

Anonymous

and left her crying

Anonymous

8:30 PM

You could say Microsoft left my mother crying

Jacob

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Nice, but I don't really believe in cryptocurrency.

voretaq7

@tylerl you can do a lot in plain-old-sh

Basil

The only thing more annoying than cryptocurrency is all the credulous innocent nerds that end up with way more money than me.

Anonymous

this is going to take fucking forever

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Jacob Me neither. It's a definite bubble, and not a viable currency, but there's money to be made off it ATM.

Basil

8:33 PM

Oh man, now someone on the other side is just hammering his keyboard against something- cleaning it out I think. Fuck this, I'm going home early. I'll see you folks later :)

Anonymous

@Basil see you!

Anonymous

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork how is your campaign doing? ~~shall we go vote-shopping?~~

Anonymous

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@PatoSáinz Over. Eliminated from the primary.

Anonymous

20 minutes in and only 2%

Anonymous

8:34 PM

fucking microsoft servers

Jacob

@PatoSáinz Dude, you really complain about microsoft too much.

Anonymous

@Jacob microsoft is hell on earth

Jacob

Each OS has it's strengths and weaknesses.

Anonymous

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork that must had to be rough ;_;

Anonymous

well, if they don't want a decent mod then fuck them

Anonymous

8:36 PM

@Jacob If only we all used Plan 9

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@PatoSáinz Didn't really care, TBH. Like you say, if they're happy with their quagmire and don't want it fixed... well, alright.

Anonymous

somewhere in redmond there's got to be a brigade of engineers running in a treadmill powering whatever server is serving me the WinPE download

Anonymous

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork what's next in your plan of ~~world~~ network domination?

JohnD

@PatoSáinz I love your double wireless notification icons

Anonymous

@JohnD thanks, fucking vendor tool and native windows, I usually close the vendor thing after I connect

Anonymous

8:39 PM

also, that little icon is 50 MB of RAM

Anonymous

whoever coded that tool deserves to be executed by an armed brigade

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@PatoSáinz Jump in my car and grab some beer. Not sure how it'll help, but it'll feel good.

Later all.

Jacob

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Driving can be fun. Like in NJ where I can literally go as fast as I want.

Anonymous

you can't have any alcohol container open in a car in America, is that right?

Anonymous

even if you're parked

cole

8:41 PM

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork get some good beer

Jacob

@PatoSáinz It can't be open , no.

It's actually pretty smart.

cole

It's okay if the container is in your trunk.

Like you're driving to a friends with a half bottle of vodka - as long as it's in your trunk, you're okay.

Jacob

@cole but I have a truck!

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz You know an awful lot about Linux and obscure American laws to only be 14 and from Chile.

Jacob

@BigHomie The first part is fine, the second is interesting....

Anonymous

8:44 PM

@cole any trunk? as in lorry trunk and trunk as in a sedan trunk

cole

@PatoSáinz like the vehicle's trunk

Anonymous

@BigHomie @Jacob America's an interesting country. Linux's an interesting OS.

BigHomie

@Jacob just figured I'd throw the first part in there and see what happened.

@PatoSáinz History lesson 1: America is a continent. Linux is a kernel.

Jacob

@BigHomie Dude, just don't go there. Honestly.

Anonymous

@BigHomie oh you think I didn't know that? Sadly, English doesn't have a demonym for the people in USA other than Americans. Luckily, Spanish has "estadounidenses" for that, and we make clear that we also in Chile are Americans. And about Linux, alright I'll give you that.

Anonymous

8:50 PM

Why don't the american people have a demonym anyway

voretaq7

@PatoSáinz What's wrong with "Assholes"?

Anonymous

@voretaq7 accurate enough

voretaq7

@BigHomie America is 2 continents :-)

Anonymous

@voretaq7 I count America as one continent that people like to divide into South, North and Central

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Exactly. To refer to the USA, it's MURICA!.

Anonymous

8:51 PM

@MikeyB and its demonym: murricans

Jacob

►

sbrichards

Canada is bigger

Anonymous

"bu but muh muh freedoms"

MikeyB

@PatoSáinz I always preferred 'merkins'

Anonymous

@Jacob CGPGrey, nice

Jacob

8:52 PM

@BigHomie @voretaq7 @PatoSáinz You're all wrong ^^^^

MikeyB

@sbrichards USA is Canada's bitch.

Jacob

@PatoSáinz His explanation is the best.

Anonymous

@Jacob indeed

Jacob

@MikeyB Erm how so?

sbrichards

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im in Vancouver

MikeyB

8:52 PM

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wow

hahahaha

@cole shocked

@MikeyB And this is why we have the no-touching zone.

sbrichards

may the borders always be open ;)

cole

8:53 PM

@Jacob I only looked because you started laughing. My face was all D:

Jacob

@sbrichards NOPE

tylerl

So, my APC XS1500 UPS under my desk blinks off whenever the battery engages. Finally caught it in the act and it says battery-short error. Took the battery out and it was 170F/75C -- not inspiring confidence in the fire-safety of their devices.

Jacob

@tylerl I'm going to guess the battery is old?

sbrichards

old or faulty

tylerl

not that old

Jacob

8:54 PM

@tylerl What does that mean

tylerl

newer than the one I just replaced it with.

sbrichards

still vague..

Jacob

@tylerl Interesting, it sounds defective rather than old age.

BigHomie

@PatoSáinz b/c we don't use the word demonym for one. It has the word 'demon' in it and doesn't pass my spell check.

tylerl

@Jacob less than 2 years

prolly an internal short

Jacob

8:56 PM

@tylerl That would be my guess.

Wesley

Ergh. Walking an office through a problem caused by using DD-WRT on a LinkSys consumer router. This is going to be a fun way to end the week. And quite probably burn through half the weekend.

Buy legit hardware folks!

MikeyB

@BigHomie dude, the rest of us speak English, not American (Merkin). Or: en, not en_US.

ewwhite

uh oh...

Anonymous

@MikeyB nice internationali * s * ation you've got there

ewwhite

Anonymous

8:57 PM

ALRIGHT FUCK THIS BULLSHIT MARKDOWN

ewwhite

someone needs a HOSTNAME

Jacob

@ewwhite haha nice.

BigHomie

@MikeyB Well call me a United Stadian then

sbrichards

@Wesley ouch

ewwhite

Any suggestions on a machine naming convention for this client?

Anonymous

8:58 PM

@BigHomie gentilic then?

ewwhite

Anonymous

@ewwhite owner.location.brand.number (if a notebook or such, location is becomes remote)?

BigHomie

twice as old as @PatoSáinz and he uses the word demonym in proper context and I just heard of it today. A lot to be said for USA public education.

you folks are just mad b/c your states aren't united.

and on that note, l8r folks

MikeyB

@BigHomie Are you talking from one of the contiguous states? #notreallyunited

BigHomie

@MikeyB I CWYDT.

exactly :)

ewwhite

9:00 PM

@PatoSáinz it's all mac... or Linux. One Windoze PC

Anonymous

@BigHomie oh, it's a known fact that chilean education is also fucked up. I just got lucky to be raised in a family that could afford a top school. 99% of Chile are just stuck in whatever the state educations offers.

BigHomie

@MikeyB recall this

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Anonymous

@ewwhite owner.os.ID?

tylerl

@BigHomie Wait... there's fossil fuels on saturn's moon?

Anonymous

edmund.osx.1 for your macbook

tylerl

9:01 PM

@BigHomie They had dinosaurs?

sbrichards

@ewwhite what software is that btw?

ewwhite

@sbrichards CrashPlan PROe

sbrichards

thanks

was given CSV to import into some db, some of the fields contain commas in them, fuck everything.

err values, not fields

Anonymous

@sbrichards are they not escaped?

sbrichards

they arent

just have sentences in quotes as values, used some regex to find and replace all commas surrounded by quotes

on 8.5m rows it took a while

Anonymous

9:06 PM

oh nice you could do that

tylerl

@sbrichards sounds like someone doesn't know how to export CSV

Anonymous

mapreduced or just a quick perl/sed/awk hack?

Anonymous

@tylerl most people don't

sbrichards

@tylerl seriously, just use vertical bars or something

Anonymous

and first of all, they use csvs

sbrichards

9:06 PM

yea that too

tylerl

@sbrichards oh, wait... they HAVE quotes? then sounds more like someone doesn't know how to import CSV

Anonymous

when you could use something from this century, like JSON

sbrichards

into microsoft SQL

tylerl

use a proper CSV parser, not a regular expression

sbrichards

no im not trying to parse it with regex

trying to remove the commas that are breaking everything on import

essentially we have data that is in the form of: val1,val2,val3,"val4","this, is, some sentence","val5",etc

freiheit

9:19 PM

@sbrichards Use a proper CSV parser

sbrichards

was just trying to use the builtin SQL import tool

any reccomendations?

freiheit

@sbrichards Does it have an option for saying that fields can be quoted?

Anonymous

@sbrichards metacpan.org/pod/Text::CSV

freiheit

@sbrichards Can you import it into a spreadsheet (excel, libreoffice, openoffice, whatever) and export it in a format that the SQL import tool can parse properly (perhaps tab delimited)?

sbrichards

@freiheit no, and I didnt think of importing it and exporting it again

thanks @PatoSáinz

Anonymous

9:23 PM

@sbrichards don't know exactly how it will behave but since perl is known for its csv and text powers and that module has been battletested by sysadmins for years i'm sure it'll work perfectly

sbrichards

thanks man, much appreciated!

Wesley

Okay, so it's not their DD-WRT LinkSys aberration, it's a CenturyLink router that's apparently trashing routes? Next hop after their modem is returning ICMP, but hop after that is starring out.

Darn. I hate it when a perfectly good opportunity to spit on DD-WRT is taken away from me.

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sbrichards

you still can

Wesley

DD-WRT is the cancerous polyp on Sauron's colon.

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ewwhite

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Q: Is it possible to use planet scale distributed-virtulisation?

there are more and more implementations of distributed-virtualisation. A common one is Microsoft SCVMM. Currently, such things are kept inside LANs, and a san or fiber-channel system is used for fault-tolerance (It often store VM's RAM with realtime update). Given that a part of the data need ve...

MikeyB

9:37 PM

@sbrichards gist.github.com/Supermathie/10681756

ermagerd this laptop has been sysprepping for 30 minutes now.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@ewwhite I was about to post that myself.

sbrichards

Thanks @MikeyB already solved my problem but will save for future

HopelessN00b Genius of network

We should start making new users pass a drug test before allowing them to post here.

Wesley

Also @JourneymanGeek I refuse to vote for anyone on SU other than you. I didn't even vote on a second or third ballot. No one else is evil enough.

MikeyB

@Wesley superuser.com/users/19943/mokubai wins for his avatar tied with his motto "Please do not push strangers in front of oncoming trains (unless they really deserve it)".

Hey, what happened to the troll? He not make it into the voting round?

Jacob

9:42 PM

@MikeyB Nope he was kicked out for the proxy thing.

Anonymous

WinPE at 23%

Anonymous

and it's been just an hour

Anonymous

fuckyou

Iain

@MikeyB he got diked by SE

Jacob

@PatoSáinz Dude, just restore from backup?

HopelessN00b Genius of network

9:45 PM

@MikeyB problem with him is that he's almost as big a weenie as the rest of SU, and would never actually think anyone deserves being shoved in front of a train.

MikeyB

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork He'll learn.

Iain

@MikeyB He stated he would violate the mod agreement

voretaq7

@Iain which he does every time. I don't know why they let him run anymore honestly

MikeyB

@Jacob I missed that.

Iain

@voretaq7 pink and fluffyness

MikeyB

9:47 PM

@voretaq7 It's a lot easier to deal with when they're predictable?

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@mikeyb I'm not optimistic about his chances. They seem very proud of their weenie-style coddling of the jackasses they get inundated with. I'm with Wesley - the only candidate tough enough to deserve a vote is JourneyMan.

voretaq7

Moderating isn't all about bashing stuff with an iron fist (though that's a pretty big part of it)

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@voretaq7 well, anyone with 300 rep can self-nominate, and creating a rule specifically for EC is tempting murder charges... we all know he'd die of a massive orgasm if he got that much attention.

Iain

@voretaq7 ? exception handling ?

Wesley

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Yeah, seriously @JourneymanGeek, you really need to escalate the violence on SuperUser.

=P

HopelessN00b Genius of network

9:52 PM

@voreraq7 well, on SE, where sites largely self-moderate, I would argue that smacking the hammer down on problem users is the job of a moderator. Who also have other, much less frequent and less important duties.

Iain

this has been unbountied serverfault.com/questions/591560/…

cast your close votes appropriately

ewwhite

@Basil - If you would have read all the comments here, you would have seen that I already pointed out that scrubbing doesnt close the write hole; nor does it address UREs. And I could care less what other people think is a good idea. It is my data and I am entitled to implement whatever solution I think is best. — matt burnett 37 mins ago

sbrichards

Fuck now I have a 10 gb CSV hahahah

someone just sent me another data set to import, god damnit

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Pity that the guy got his rep back, but at least we can close it now.

Iain

@sbrichards and this is of interest to s how ?

sbrichards

9:57 PM

sorry just complaining

Iain

@sbrichards complain to /dev/null

MikeyB

motherfucker how do I sysprep a machine and tell it to leave its display on so I can watch it fail?

god I hate Windows

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ewwhite

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork he was going nutty

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Q: My bounty was returned - Why?

There was 5 or 6 days left on the bounty for a question of mine, and when I logged back in I noticed I had be awarded the reputation back. In the question, it no longer says a bounty is available. Under my user page it says the bounty was awarded to me, even though according to the documentation ...

support bounty

Iain

@MikeyB serverfault.com/questions/ask

Wesley

Whoa, @Iain going for the jugular on that meta question. =P

Iain

9:59 PM

@Wesley troof

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