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3:00 PM
@ewwhite My exchange admin called me one of their "power clients". I think that's a euphemism for "asshole that never cleans up after himself, but gives me the disks I ask for"
 
@ewwhite I was for a while:
I need more filters.
 
@MikeyB I'm going to start hypothesizing about what those domains are. I'm betting the last one is "manpurse.org"
 
@ewwhite Every message should be handled - archived, put in a to-do-list, or whatever. It shouldn't just lie around in the inbox. Filtering stuff into other folders for later reading is quite OK, but keeping it in the inbox for ages isn't.
 
Might I even hazard, "webmaster@manpurse.org"?
 
@ewwhite My understanding is: don't remark it read-only and think "Oh I'll take care of it later"
@Basil I need more guesses from people :D
 
3:02 PM
@JennyD The unread filter is priority 2. The flagged filter is priority 1. Unread messages are equivalent to archived- they're there for searching, but have no actions left on them.
 
The thing I like about the Mailbox app is I can tell it that "I want this message to pop up again in my inbox on $DATE".
Like "I'll respond to this email from an old friend on Saturday when I have the time". And I don't need to see it until then.
 
@JennyD exactly why I like it.
 
Hmm... I'm somewhere in between this and Inbox Zero.
I filter and flag...
but I don't maintain a variety of subfolders.
I have clients who have hundreds and thousands of subfolders in their inbox
all that leads to is ridiculous mailbox growth
I think the search capabilities of my Mac (Spotlight and Outlook) make it easy to dig through and sort.
I don't believe in threaded email
 
Moderation in all things...
 
@JennyD Moderation in no things. Excess is an end to itself.
 
3:08 PM
I just had a bad eBay auction situation with someone who lost track of my email because they receive hundreds/day.
 
@Basil discourse.org
 
@MikeyB Mine was funnier.
 
@Basil Yes, I'm disappointed in everyone for not coming up other good alternatives.
 
So I'm thinking of making a drastic change and moving to another country. I hope my boss doesn't find this because until I decide for sure, I'm not talking to him about it.
 
3:11 PM
@Basil Oooh, try Alabama!
 
@ewwhite Sounds like they filter on individual people. Only people I routinely filter is my wife.
 
@ewwhite lol, that is like a country, I hear. No, I have swiss ancestry and my sister lives there. It would likely be Geneva
 
Best practice question on Puppet for validate_*() functions: Should one validate in a defaults/params class that gets inherited by the init.pp or is it more common to validate_*() in the params.pp file / module::params class?
 
@BigHomie it's nutty.
 
Some 60% of the workers in Geneva are expats, and unlike most of them, I actually speak one of the official Swiss languages (French)
 
3:13 PM
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I wish I spoke french - I have a super french (Canadian) name
 
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@cole It's more trouble than it's worth. Anyone you meet who speaks french will switch to english as soon as they realize they're not in the company of people who also speak french.
If you want another language that has a higher proportion of speakers who don't also speak english, check out german or chinese
 
@Basil but I'd be fancy.
and could pretend to be french with my super french name
 
@cole Spoken like someone whose never been to Quebec ;)
we're fancy like canned soup.
 
3:15 PM
I hear my name is super common in Canada.
 
@cole yup
The guy next to me could be your cousin
 
well, my surname.
 
but there are only really like 100 last names up here
"pur-lain" last names, at least
(that's the quebecois word for "pure wool", indicating ancestry that can be traced back to the first wave of french immigration)
they're kinda racist about it, to be honest
The Quebec Charter of Values () was a proposed bill in the Canadian province of Quebec, introduced by the governing Parti Québécois in 2013, trying to end the Quebec controversy on reasonable accommodation. The former PQ cabinet member responsible for the bill was Bernard Drainville, Minister responsible for Democratic Institutions and Active Citizenship. There was much controversy in Quebec and elsewhere about the charter, especially its proposed prohibition of public sector employees from wearing or displaying "conspicuous" religious symbols. The proposal would have included the followi...
 
@basil, when I think of Quebec...
 
mmm bagels.
 
3:18 PM
And Fleshlights
(can't post that here)
 
Thanks for not doing that.
 
those bagels are spot on
 
those bagels need to be in my mouth.
 
the rest of it would depend on where you were. Not in the nice part of town, based on the filth
Montreal bagels are the reason I didn't move during the last separation referendum
 
St. Viateur bagels... I'm ridiculous enough to have them shipped to Chicago.
 
3:21 PM
@ewwhite I have them hot every saturday. Like too hot to eat- right out of the fire
hotter than the toaster
they actually melt
damn, now I'm hungry
 
it's good stuff
last time I was there was on Boxing Day.
that didn't make sense to me... that's a real holiday?
 
@ewwhite lol yep. Me and my wife went to Niagara falls one year, mostly all the stores were closed
Asked someone on the street why, Boxing Day
 
@ewwhite Was for the servants, back in the day.... they'd clean up after the Christmas celebrations, and their employers would leave money and gifts in the discarded boxes for the servants to find.
So it was like Christmas day, only for the normal people who didn't have money.
Oh God, kill it.
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@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Oh, you're from Canadia, aren't you?
 
BOXES
 
3:26 PM
@ewwhite Stores are open on boxing day, but it's not a working day for non-retail jobs
 
<< Get's it now
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork where about?
 
@BigHomie I first read that as "Nigeria Falls" and thought, "WAIT THOSE EMAILS WERE LEGIT?!"
 
3:27 PM
lol
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Neat, I was just there a few months ago
God, I hate that place
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork What made you defect
 
no offence, but it's a mystery why anyone would live in a place where the air actively tries to kill you
 
@BigHomie He likes sunshine and doesn't like being mauled by polar bears.
 
@Basil it was rough. The only thing we could find were hipster cupcakes and Fleshlights and SNOW.
 
3:28 PM
@Basil Because it's always sunny in California....
 
@Basil Yeah, kinda not much to see, really.
 
And b/c you can't escape smog
 
@ewwhite Come back in the summer. It's better biking :) And there's like 600 festivals
 
Oh, and Burger King poutine...
 
@BigHomie Parents left for more money and less taxes when I was a minor. Stayed gone for more money and less taxes myself.
 
3:29 PM
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I was there to drive a train, and the rural areas around Winnipeg were kind of pretty, but man, was it cold
@ewwhite Psh, la belle province has them beat.
that's not half bad, but factory fries make it worse than fresh cut potatos
 
@Basil Come back in summer. Gets ridiculously hot too.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork if it's not the cold, it's the bugs.
 
@Basil Yeah, no joke. You'd think -40 would kill all the mosquito eggs, but it seems to just make them tougher and bigger.
 
I was staying downtown so I could get around underground and through the skyway, but the entire god damned city shuts down at 5 on friday. I had to walk 25 minutes to find a 24 hour cafe to buy food...
 
@ewwhite Burger King - the only "restaurant" that could screw up poutine.
 
3:33 PM
@ChrisS that example's not half bad, actually. Fast food poutine is about 40% as good as what you'd get at la belle pro, but they can only really control the cheese and sauce
 
@ewwhite how hard is it to melt polly-o string cheese over fries and dump some warm heinz gravy in a dish?
 
@Basil Well, just the downtown part. It's everyone getting off work and getting the eff out to recreate. Heading off to the Forks or wherever.
 
@voretaq7 that sounds more or less precisely unlike poutine
 
@voretaq7 Well Burger King doesn't stock any actual "cheese", so that's a problem...
 
@Basil 'round these parts we likes our cheese melted.
 
3:34 PM
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork the homeless seemed pretty happy to have me around. They would follow me around while I looked for food
@voretaq7 it melts.
 
@ChrisS melt the kraft singles over it then.
better than that abomination up there :P
 
heh.
 
Hah! That's a new one to me... homeless folks following you to find food.
 
@voretaq7 I doubt they spring for name brand "cheese food"
 
@Basil Have that same problem here, though nobody's walking through Detroit.
 
3:35 PM
@Basil 'round these parts we melt it - it goes under a broiler for a few minutes
 
Seen that with puppies and kittens, but not people.
 
@ChrisS I have a question: What, exactly, is "cheese food"? Is it what you feed to baby cheeses so they grow up big and strong?
 
I was just thinking about how terrible food in America is...
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork they were following me for money and companionship, I think. I was trying not to encourage them, but they could tell I wasn't from there
 
@voretaq7 it gets under the broiler or it gets the hose
 
3:36 PM
@MikeyB wet fries? Nothx.
 
@ewwhite "poutine"
 
@ewwhite We've sacrificed quality for quantity I'm sure you know
 
The fries should be crunchy, the cheese should be melted, and the gravy should be at least decent :)
 
My brain reads "poutine" as "pootang"
 
^
 
3:37 PM
@cole could be worse, you could be reading it as "Putin"
 
@voretaq7 Any substance with 1-49% real cheese (along with moisture and fat content requirements) can be labeled "cheese food"
 
@ChrisS PROCESSED CHEESE EXTRUSIONS
 
@ChrisS What about chicken wyngz?
 
@voretaq7 that's actually pretty close to how you'd pronounce it... "poo-tin"
 
3:38 PM
Wyngz is a chicken food product that is in the shape of a chicken wing or a bite-size appetizer-type product, but is not actually a wing. The United States Department of Agriculture Food Safety and Inspection Service permits the use of the term "wyngz" (but no other misspellings) on food packaging under the following conditions in which the Agency considers its use fanciful and not misleading: * The poultry used is white chicken (with or without skin) * "Wyngz" is placed contiguous to a prominent, conspicuous, and legible descriptive name (e.g., "white chicken fritters") in the same color ...
 
@MikeyB I want to try Poutine so bad. I've got a friend in Vancouver and if I ever go visit I'm going to take a tour of the city purely based on the top poutine places.
 
emphasis on the "tin"
 
I hate when companies/people use Y's in place of I's, K's in place of C's and Z's in place of S's.
 
@Basil Not po' teen as in a pour young person?
 
@Basil I thought it was pronounced "poo-TEEN"?
 
3:39 PM
@cole They're not allowed to call it "wings"
"Wyngz" is placed contiguous to a prominent, conspicuous, and legible descriptive name (e.g., "white chicken fritters") in the same color
 
@voretaq7 Dude your mind is FILTHY!
 
@voretaq7 poo-tēn
 
that's the english pronunciation, but it's a french word, more or less
 
@Basil Everything is a french word
or german
 
"teen" is how anglos say it, "tin" is how the french say it
 
3:39 PM
@voretaq7 seriously watch the video
 
we have no words of our own.
 
@ewwhite Reminds me of BW3s... I could go for some Caribbean Jerk or Asian Zing right now.
 
@Basil We English-speakers pronounce it "poo-teen," actually.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork that's what I was saying
pou-tin is french, poo-teen is english
 
@ChrisS I used to take my laptop to BW3 and work and drink my sorrows away
 
3:40 PM
@Basil I would prefer it not be pronounced poo-TIN because then it can easily be confused with a Russian czar-to-be
 
When I worked at LW...
 
@Basil OH, yeah, I see that now. Chat lag, I guess.
 
@voretaq7 He's POO-tin
but yeah
it's kinda awesome
 
> According to the website for Nestlé's DiGiorno brand frozen pizza and wyngz combo, the fanciful spelling is used "[b]ecause they're not wings. They're even better."[2]
 
that and he used to get normally dignified foreign leaders hammered
 
3:41 PM
@Basil puh-tin (flat emphasis) actually according to my Russian friends :)
 
@BigHomie truth
 
hey I wish our president was more like Putin
 
but my dog won't even touch them
 
ya know... a man :P
 
@voretaq7 I have no russian friends. I take no risks.
 
3:41 PM
@ewwhite Oh, hells yeah. I know what I'm doing for lunch today. Boneless wings and too much beer.
 
@voretaq7 they both invade countries they have no business in, so they're not that far off...
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Wings or Wyngz?
 
@ewwhite Rule #1: Never eat anything the dog won't eat.
 
@BigHomie Wings. BW3's, like Ed suggested.
 
@Basil Putin invades like a man - barge in, shoot up the place, and plant your flag. Obama sends a few soldiers over to get killed, but doesn't actually accomplish anything.
 
3:42 PM
@voretaq7 Humorously, I think Putin is more subject to keeping his own people happy than Obama
 
Or mentioned. mentiongested.
 
@voretaq7 Rule number two: think twice before you eat something based on whether your dog will eat it. Dogs eat poo.
 
If we're gonna have everyone hate us by being the world's meddling yenta aunt let's at least not look like pansies doing it.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Can't go wrong there
 
@voretaq7 Actually it was bush that sent them over. And left Canada/NATO to clean up his god damned mess
 
3:43 PM
@ChrisS I think Putin doesn't much care what his people think (just like everyone in our government).
 
@voretaq7 NASCAR. That's a word, right?
 
@ChrisS Well if people != lobbyists, then maybe.
 
@voretaq7 Democratic foreign policy S.O.P. - send soldiers over to get shot up, but make sure they all wind up dying for nothing. Been that way ever since 'Nam.
 
@Basil It goes back further than that.
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork s/Democratic/United States/
 
@ChrisS I liked how Putin jabbed at the US. He said he envied Obama because Putin has to hide his domestic spying programs.
 
3:45 PM
@voretaq7 in Afghanistan? Sure, back to the cold war. I've seen old newsclippings calling bin laden a "freedom fighter"
 
This country has no concept of "Just fucking declare war and kill everyone" anymore, all we do is poke at other countries with our weapons until they all hate us. Then everyone acts so surprised when people blow up our buildings and shit.
This is because we don't teach history in school any more.
 
@voretaq7 Wanna unleash WMDs that don't fall under UN sanctions? Simple! Drop-ship a bunch of sysadmins over there and wait until they find all the CAT 3 and BNC connectors.
 
@Basil Well, he actually was, when it was the Mujaheddin vs the invading Soviets. Freedom, of course, being a relative term, when your idea of freedom is being allowed to own women, I suppose.
 
@voretaq7 We teach history in a way so boring and detached from the people who experienced it that nobody could be interested in learning any of it.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork ok, so how's the current government better?
 
3:46 PM
@voretaq7 Also because there's no point declaring war against a country too poor to afford nukes, and it's too world-endingly dangerous to declare war on a country with nukes.
 
Two options: (1) LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE FUCK ALONE! (2) Flatten the other countries, pave them, and paint parking stripes on them.
 
I hated history classes in school. I love CrashCourse World History and US History on YouTube.
 
@voretaq7 We should get Joseph Kern in here to talk about Afghanistan. Except he's probably strangling someone with CAT 3 right now.
 
@voretaq7 Not really... it's more that we've gotten so good at fighting and winning wars (well, when we bother to), that we've forgotten how to fight and win the peace.
 
^^^
 
3:47 PM
@Basil ^^ See above :)
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork um.... I consider "winning" being able to withdraw our troops so they're not still being shot at. By that standard we fucking SUCK at "winning" wars.
 
@voretaq7 Well, they don't execute women for learning to read.
 
we're "winning" like Charlie Sheen. (Which, considering Congress, may actually be an apt example)
 
@voretaq7 Which is part of the problem, TBH. We had troops in Germany and Japan for 50 years after we won WWII. Now we get bitchiy if we still have troops overseas after 5 months.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork no, they just look the other way while they're killed extrajudicially by their fathers/husbands/brothers for learning to read....
 
@voretaq7 I'd just appreciate it if we stopped mucking with everyone's governments. The Ukraine is a great example, we're supporting a leader there who's literally a NeoNazi racist, both politically and financially (and probably militarily soon enough).
 
3:49 PM
War used to be decided by surrender or occupation. Now it's defined by how much damage the target can inflict with IEDs. It's basically irrelevant now- you can't do anything but cause chaos with boots on the ground in a foreign country. They won't put up lines with trenches to fight you. Not since Vietnam.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork we had troops in Germany and Japan under international plans to rebuild those countries after we executed option (2)...
 
@Basil Not accurate, actual. Successful guerrilla wars always evolve into conventional conflicts.
 
@ChrisS If we stopped being the world's meddling yenta aunt people would hate us less.
 
@voretaq7 So? The troops in Afghanistan that everyone's been bitching about being there have been there for the same reason since several months after the war began (and we won).
 
@voretaq7 Honestly I don't care if some goat-herder on the other side of the planet hates me. I care that my government is giving him reason to hate me.
 
3:52 PM
We literally go to other countries all "So when are you gonna get married give us access to your natural resources? Your mom deserves some nice grandkids We're kinda greedy and spoiled and we wants them, precious. Here, let me break up your current relationship kill your leader so you can date this nice new girl install a new government that I know will pretend to do what we want until they're in power, then give us the finger."
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I see no "plan" here...
I see a lot of angry natives who want us the fuck out of their affairs, and a lot of US (and other) troops getting injured/killed because of it. Either crush the resistance unmercifully and rebuild from the ashes like we did in Germany/Japan or fucking leave!
 
@voretaq7 May be true, but it's hard/not possible to make any longer term plans when the politicians who must do that can never see past the next election, 2 years away or less.
 
seriously, if Afghanistan invaded New York, somehow conquered it, and then just took up residence we'd be blowing up cars and shit all over -- why the fuck do people expect them to behave any differently because it's us on their land?
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork it's not possible to make any long-term plans when everyone in congress is focused on "beating the other party" rather than "governing responsibly"
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork To be fair, we could put ~180 kids through elementary school for what it costs to have 1 soldier deployed each year, and the former would likely result in more long term benefits for us.
 
@ChrisS We could provide national single-payer healthcare for about 10-15% of the DoD budget
 
@voretaq7 but my healthcare servers!!
 
3:56 PM
@voretaq7 Well, that's a debatable dichotomy, but doesn't help at all once we've already gotten into a war without the willingness to crush all opposition mercilessly (Iraq, Afghanistan). Once you're in, if you just fuck shit up and leave, then all those soldiers died for nothing. The reason for keeping them around and helping rebuild is so that you end up with a better situation than you had when you invaded. Otherwise, you'll be fighting the same war, in the same country, every 5 years,
 
@voretaq7 Because $Gov't's boss is the united people. When the people aren't united, or are busy watching American Idol, or $SportFinal, then the Gov't will do what any teenager will do when their parents aren't home.
 
@voretaq7 That seems like stretch, do you have any articles/studies to back that up?
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork OK, so after afghanistan conquers New York would we want them around to help us rebuild?
 
@ChrisS DoD budget is insane, and goes up every year, might be more of a tug and less of a stretch
Might be a question for Finance.SE though...
 
@BigHomie Yes, but healthcare costs are insane too
 
3:58 PM
@ChrisS Yup. You ever watch Charlie Wilson's War? Was about the US support for the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan, and we made that exact mistake. Spent billions winning the war, but wouldn't spend millions to win the peace after the fact (by building schools and hospitals and so on). ... and whaddaya know, 10 years later, we were fighting a war against the Taliban.
 
@ChrisS That's an entirely separate con
 
@voretaq7 And in so doing, reform social security which is the only thing larger than the defense budget...
 
@Wesley Can you reform that which is bankrupt?
 
@voretaq7 Well, that goes back to who we're fighting. Are we fighting the government, or the people? If we're fighting the people, we're doing it wrong... and if you start out doing it wrong, it's unfair to expect things to work out right, no matter what you do next.
 
@Wesley nothing is larger than the defense budget. Except for the debt.
 
4:00 PM
@Wesley I will keep it in a lockbox. The interest savings, I would put right back into it.
 
@ChrisS I'm looking for the CBO numbers for the ACA - the DOD totals out at a little over half a trillion (with a T) dollars, the 60 billion (with a B) makes up a sizable portion of the estimated spending
 
@voretaq7 Well, the ACA is hardly everything involved in a single-payer system. More like including medicare and medicaid and ACA.
 
And by social security above, I meant medicare/medicaid. Now sure what I was thinking.
 
@Wesley social security & medicare are technically "off budget" (they're entitlement programs, not funded out of general tax revenue), but they could sure as hell use a reform. Give the DoD a haircut and reallocate the tax savings back into the entitlement programs - BAM: Solvency.
 
4:02 PM
And in that kind of accounting, the defense budget and the budget for all of healthcare are roughly similar. With Defense being the smaller number, actually.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Medicare is something like 800 billion (~1/3 more than the DoD, by raw numbers)
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, well, as I said, a fairer comparison is Defense vs Healthcare in total, not Defense vs one tiny portion of government spending on healthcare.
 
taking all the strength I have not to reply to a client with *eff-you!!*
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Nothing can (fairly) be compared to "US total spending on healthcare" because costs are inflated all to hell by the insurance industry
Probably the fairest comparison would be to take the per-capita spending average for the UK & Canada and extend that to our population
 
@voretaq7 Well, that's a problem the government could easily solve, but doesn't have the will to.
If people would use health insurance as, you know, insurance, we'd have a lot fewer problems.

Seriously, if homeowner's insurance was treated like we treat health insurance, you'd have people filing insurance claims to replace burned out lightbulbs. Bullshit.
 
4:08 PM
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork (doing the extension from the UK - about $3400 per capita per annum, we weigh in at about $10.5 trillion (with a T) -- that actually might not be an unfair estimate for total cost for a national health system)
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Wait, i can't do that?
 
@ewwhite Not with homeowner's insurance. Only with medical "insurance."
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Health insurance is more like automotive insurance - you have your car inspected every year (in most states), you get your body inspected every year for health insurance.
 
@ewwhite Talk it out bro.
 
@voretaq7 Fine, then it would be like filing a claim with my car insurance for an oil change. Which is also something that's not acceptable with any type of insurance, except for health "insurance."
 
4:10 PM
there's a reason the insurance companies incentivize "preventive care", they just fucked the system up so badly trying to do that it's sprawled beyons all reason.
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork that I'd agree with. But then the doctors offices have to provide "oil change" services (annual physical + blood work, basic X-Ray, etc.) for less than the price of a new house
 
@voretaq7 No, again, it's because people abuse health insurance. If we let people file home insurance claims for burned out light bulbs and car insurance claims for oil changes, those systems would be fucked up too. A result of using the wrong tool for the job/trying to force a square peg through a round hole.
 
When my dentist X-rays my teeth it costs me $50 for the panoramic machine, or $35 for the two bitewings.
 
@Wesley I'm choosing not to respond
 
Anyone else watch the game last night?
 
If I have 2 films done on my knee it's a $5000 bill
 
4:12 PM
@voretaq7 Mine does. When I pay cash. Last visit for that kinda thing was $85 dollars when I did cash. Get the insurance company involved, and it's something like $500.
 
Not hockey, this:
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork yours is a rare exception
 
@ewwhite So they keep pushing for more information from you about how to get their VMware thingy to work?
 
@Wesley naw, different one
 
@ewwhite Ohhhh... okay.
 
4:13 PM
oooh, and reading some TomTom goodness...
Get a book? Do not walk into a place where beginner questions are not welcome and then complain that people tell you that. THIS is rude - slap in face rude if you ever try that for example in a star ragted kitchen to the chef. Books are there for a reason. We all learned, and we did not by going to places where beginenr questions are explicitly not welcome and insist on asking them. — TomTom Jan 19 at 19:41
 
@ewwhite I didn't even read the comment, I just saw it was from TomTom and +1'd it.
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@ewwhite star ragted kitchen - one where they hang a tattered US flag over the stove? )
 
@voretaq7 Maybe. Then again, I shopped around. If more people did, maybe they'd get better prices too. Almost all of the bitching about health care I see is either 1) people trying to use insurance for what it's not intended for 2) people bitching that they pay too much when they don't shop around or 3) general bitchiness that things cost too much.
@ewwhite He's fucking right. I get really sick of the rudeness and inconsideration that's tolerated from drive-by users.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork (1) is forced on us by the structure of health insurance (a 5000 per person deductible - if I don't nibble away at it for every little office visit and prescription I'm FUCKED, especially when some drugs are $500/bottle) - I wish it wasn't the case because the cost factor wouldn't be inflated all to hell.
and (3) is legitimate because of (1)
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I'm torn
 
4:17 PM
@voretaq7 Actually, (1) is forced on us by the US federal tax code, which makes health insurance virtually the only benefit/income that can be given to someone without paying taxes on it.
 
as for (2) I'm not inclined to "shop around" for a doctor any more than I'm inclined to do so for the guy who works on my plane, considering that both are kind of important to my overall longevity -- I got recommendations from friends and family, picked a doctor I like, and that's who I see.
 
That is why health insurance in the US has expanded to be all-encompassing - because it's the only tax-free benefit a business can provide to its employees.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork there are other things you can receive employer-paid (death insurance & transit subsidies)
health insurance is just the "most necessary" because without it you get sick and you die
 
@voretaq7 But they are taxed. (Well, dental is considered "health," but transit subsidies are taxable.)
 
(or go bankrupt, and then die)
 
4:20 PM
@ewwhite Yeah, we know you're torn. "Frustration when the OP doesn't get it," and all. I just can't figure out why you're torn, honestly.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork you can issue certain transit subsidies pre-tax (e.g. transitcheck.com) but the dollar limit is pathetically low
 
@voretaq7 Well, there's that, but I'm talking about for the employer's side as well... as in, payroll taxes. The employer can provide you health insurance without paying taxes on the value of the health insurance Everything else, they pay taxes on. Hence, from an economic perspective, they get the biggest bang for their buck by providing all-encompassing health insurance compared to other benefits, or higher wages.
 
and that's basically what most companies are doing with health insurance: "We'll take $500/month out of your check pre-tax to give to the insurance company" - my company is one of the few that provides 100% employer-paid insurance
 
...An unintended consequence of the "tax all the things!!!" government fiscal policy.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork something something flat tax something something
 
4:25 PM
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Oh, because I'm too compassionate to be a sysadmin.
 
30% of my income, 30% of your income, 30% of the income of any US corporation - Wow. Such fair. Many revenue. So solvent.
 
@voretaq7 I dunno about all that, but, like I said, unintended consequence of taxing everything except for this one category of thing. No surprise that people start flocking to adding value through the untaxed thing.
@voretaq7 Meh. Corporate profits aren't really profits, though. Ultimately, a person receives that money, so by jacking up those tax rates, you're really just increasing double or triple taxation on certain people. Add complexity without adding value, so do away with it.
 
that's the least of the issues with health insurance though. (The biggest issue IMHO is insurance companies shouldn't be for-profit corporations - all insurance companies should be mutual insurance)
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork "ultimately a person receives that money" <> Apple's cash horde. Something's amiss in that logic :)
 
@voretaq7 Maybe, maybe not. I'm happy with my for-profit insurance companies for everything else (and have had for-profit medical insurance companies I as happy with).
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork who's your insurance carrier?
 
4:30 PM
@voretaq7 Apple's cash horde isn't really conceptually different from someone stuffing money under their mattress... and AFAIK, it only exists (or in the huge quantity it does) because they can't move it out of Ireland without paying billions in taxes.
@voretaq7 For...? I have Geico for renter's insurance and some local Ohio company for car insurance. My employer-supplied health insurance sucks now, but when I had Blue Cross/Blue Shield or somewhere or other through a previous employer, it was effing awesome.
Either way, once Apple spends that money, or moves it back, it will end up in the hands of a person, either in wages or capital gains or expenses on products/services.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Geico is one of the few commercial insurers I've had decent experiences with
 
Hey, what would happen if you ran a wire from the antenna port of a wifi router to the antenna port of a wifi card? Would it work?
 
Progressive was decent too, when I had had them.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork expenses on products/services are untaxed in a flat (income) tax model, and sales taxes are regressive and broken (the only benefit is you can't evade them)
 
@voretaq7 Sure, sure. But sales taxes + capital gains taxes work to deal with that - no matter what you do with your money (spend or save), it gets taxed. Not to say I agree with the current tax system, but if you look at any component of any system in strict isolation, it's gonna look broken. Need a moar holistic view to figure out anything worthwhile.
 
4:36 PM
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork "sales taxes are regressive and broken" :-) and as far as I'm concerned capital gains is income, and would fall under a flat tax
I'm not saying taxing corporate income doesn't essentially amount to some level of double-taxation, but I'm being quadruple-taxed now (Federal Income, State Income, State Sales, County Sales)
 
@voretaq7 I'm at least quintuple. Municipal income tax too.
 
that's not including the "little taxes" (fuel, electricity, phone/cable/internet) which I'd nuke as well
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork yeah that's why I don't live in NYC Proper :)
 
Yeah, well the problem with that idea is that a complex tax system is both a powerful weapon, and a useful tool for the rich and powerful to accumulate power and money (while obfuscating that they're doing it). So while simplifying the tax code would be awesome for almost everyone, it's counter to the interests of those in power. Not gonna happen, barring enough people with guns aggressively demanding it be done.
 
I'm categorically opposed to a complex tax code. One tax (income), one rate, one general services fund (yeah, I'm eliminating the "off budget" aspect of the entitlement programs, and every entity pays it.
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork the problem is a complex tax code lets Congress "tinker" and pretend they're doing stuff to help us while we're getting fucked on the back-end 5-10 years later.
 
@voretaq7 I don't live in a municipality with income taxes either.. but my workplace is located in one, so they get to take like 0.8%, or some shit.
 
4:41 PM
@Basil I suspect one ought to put a resistor or SOMETHING in between. Good question for EE.SE
 
Congress won't give up that farce, which is why we'll never have a sane tax code
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, me too, but never gonna happen, fo the reasons we both just identified.
 
@Basil it's complicated :-)
 
@voretaq7 Not unless we send in the Marines to liberate D.C., at least.
 
What about an exposed antenna? Could two wireless devices communicate without the ability to see eachother's RF via a conductor?
 
4:42 PM
but the answer is "If you have a properly impedance-balanced cable between the two it'll work fine, but both radios will need to really crank down their transmit power"
 
@voretaq7 Interesting. I just came up with a radical idea for networking...
 
@Basil i.e. a common unbalanced floating wire?
 
Heya... what's the most economical way to legally obtain Microsoft Office for 70 users (in a terminal server environment)
 
you probably need a little more than a simple resistor to attenuate the signal if the radios can't back off enough because you still want the right resistance in the load (cable)
it'd be a good EE question though like @MikeyB said :)
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Q: Can you help me with my software licensing issue?

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@ewwhite most economical? VL, yes? I guess you can buy individual office licenses but is activating 70 worth the time spent?
 
4:44 PM
@voretaq7 not good enough.
the stakes and offerings have changed...
 
My idea is to have a hybrid antenna/wired connection that would be able to work with no fixed connection- if it has physical contact with a central "ring" of copper, it would use that, otherwise it would use RF.
 
should we be looking at Office 365... annualized volume licensing? software assurance?
 
@ewwhite the answer is still "Call Microsoft" though :)
 
I was imagining hard drives with this that could be "installed" by placing them on a table in the datacenter.
 
4:45 PM
You need to get quotes for the options if you want the "most economical"
(O365 is pretty reasonably priced for what it's worth - but it means a per-annum licensing fee forever)
 
and could see a data rate boost by placing them on a table with a conductive surface
 
@Basil The first one I believe is called "10BASE2".
 
it could be an ad-hoc network too
 
@Basil that gets really messy with propagation and reflection in the conductor
(which is why 10b2 and 10b5 were so hated)
 
@voretaq7 it doesn't have to be current wifi spec- that was designed for RF exclusively
 
4:47 PM
1-Wire is a device communications bus system designed by Dallas Semiconductor Corp. that provides low-speed data, signaling, and power over a single signal. 1-Wire is similar in concept to I²C, but with lower data rates and longer range. It is typically used to communicate with small inexpensive devices such as digital thermometers and weather instruments. A network of 1-Wire devices with an associated master device is called a MicroLan. One distinctive feature of the bus is the possibility of using only two wires: data and ground. To accomplish this, 1-wire devices include an 800 pF c...
 
@voretaq7 I don't deal with MS directly, d00d...
 
@MikeyB "Lower data rate" than I2C?
God Hates You. This is proof.
@ewwhite sure ya do
 
@MikeyB yeah, I was imagining ultra-high speed over a shared conductive surface, or a short range radio
like 3 feet
 
@voretaq7 I have vendors for that. I'm just commenting on the new paradigm
 
Maybe even using high frequency sound instead of rf
 
4:48 PM
that's all your vendors are doing :-)
@Basil interference patterns are a bitch (in both cases)
 
@voretaq7 nope
 
@ewwhite Sorry Bro, gotta use IE :-)
there's also a phone number that I don't remember anymore :P
 
24 hours ago, by voretaq7
@MikeyB All the world is not a Linux machine sir.
s/Linux/Windows/
 
@MikeyB Clearly not, everyone runs Windows. Microsoft told me so.
 
4:51 PM
(also, my god, Optimized for IE 7 - SERIOUSLY?)
 
@MikeyB yeah, the license advisor is pretty old (IDK if it has O365 actually)
 
@MikeyB Putain!
 
@ewwhite Have an account at Ingram? Call them, they have people dedicated to licensing questions.
 
@MikeyB "optimized for Internet Explorer 7 and newer versions."
 
DaFuq do I know about MS licensing, I worked for a Microsoft Managed Gold Partner at $job[-1] - I just picked up the phone and selected "Microsoft Licensing" and the nice lady on the west cost would email me quotes! :P
 
4:52 PM
It's still IE, so it's gonna suck, but it's 7 and newer.
@voretaq7 The advantage of Gold partnership. Nice ladies on the West Coast, instead of nice guys in India.
 
(Actually usually the nice lady said "Oh that's in your license pack already, use this key and just let your coordinator know how many you're deploying" and read me off some letters and numbers that sounded like she was summoning Satan)
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork you got the nice guys in India outside of 8am-8pm Pacific time :)
 
Better question... are your Microsoft environments all licensed fully and properly?
 
they were actually pretty competent too, they just couldn't add new shit to the license packs :P
@ewwhite Yup. We have one copy of Windows 7 in the office and it's licensed :)
 
@ewwhite Checking licensing in a Microsoft environment is like measuring the quantum state of a particle. It takes someone with a decade of higher learning to perform, and the act of trying changes the result.
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A real answer, please.
 

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